From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 30 17:51:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09414 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:51:10 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA20401 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:51:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: what's the current version of Kermit Date: 30 Nov 1995 17:51:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <49kqu4$jta@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <49jl38$b85@spectator.cris.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49jl38$b85@spectator.cris.com>, Dwight Hugget wrote: >I am running an older version, what's the most current version of >Kermit for DOS and OS2 available...? > From our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt 2 WHAT IS THE CURRENT VERSION OF KERMIT? Kermit 95 Windows 95 and NT: 1.1.1 Nov 14 95 MS-DOS Kermit for DOS and Windows: 3.14 May 21 95 PL9 C-Kermit for UNIX, VMS, VOS, etc: 5A(190) Oct 4 94 C-Kermit for OS/2: 5A(191) Apr 24 95 Mac Kermit (NOT A REAL RELEASE): 0.991(190) Aug 94 IBM Mainframe Kermit: 4.3.1 Feb 95 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 29 21:25:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21161 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:54:23 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA24814 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:54:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: mrizquie@eos.ncsu.edu (Mike Izquierdo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.13 and Trumpet 2.1 F Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 21:25:47 GMT Organization: North Carolina State University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <49i8lq$vds@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cc03du02.ppp.ncsu.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can I run kermit over TCP/IP remotely using Trumpet Winsock 2.1 F? Mike *----------------------------------------------------* | Michael R. Izquierdo mrizquie@eos.ncsu.edu | | NC State University (919) 515-5348 | | Center for Advanced Computing and Communication | *----------------------------------------------------* From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 30 22:01:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:01:56 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA29906 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:01:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.13 and Trumpet 2.1 F Date: 30 Nov 1995 22:01:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-Id: <49l9kc$t6f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <49i8lq$vds@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49i8lq$vds@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>, Mike Izquierdo wrote: >Can I run kermit over TCP/IP remotely using Trumpet Winsock 2.1 F? > Kermit 95 will work over the new 32-bit Trumpet Winsock as soon as the next patch (1.1.2) is issued, hopefully this coming week. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 29 17:05:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Nov 1995 22:39:45 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA12276 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 22:39:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!gatech2!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!world!indra.com!coopnews.coop.net!cs.umd.edu!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!eff!blanket.mitre.org!linus.mitre.org!usenet From: Jeff Heim Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: set speed 57600 Date: 29 Nov 1995 17:05:02 GMT Organization: CAASD Lines: 28 Message-Id: <49i3ru$37t@linus.mitre.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: w800-11.mitre.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to live dangerously and transfer a file at 57600 over a Microcom 28.8 modem. I'm using c-kermit 5a(190) on an Alpha running VMS but when I do the kermit set speed command I get: ?No keywords match - 57600. I've set the local terminal speed to 57600 and can get connected to the remote computer at the higher baud rate outside of kermit. Is there anything I can do to try the higher baud rate? A side note. Kermit works fine at 38400 and I get decent performance (~2300 CPS, 59% efficiency) using 1 window and 3000 byte packet length transfering a large (900,000 byte) binary file. However, when I use more than 1 window performance gets really bad (13% efficiency, 480 CPS) I'm happy with the 38400 performance, but wouldn't mind trying the higher speed... BTW - I think Kermit is wonderful and I did BUY THE BOOK. I also checked the FAQ. Jeff Heim The Mitre Corporation From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 29 12:33:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 04:27:04 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA20443 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 04:27:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.13 and Trumpet 2.1 F Message-Id: <1995Nov29.183309.68206@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Nov 95 18:33:09 MDT References: <49i8lq$vds@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49i8lq$vds@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>, mrizquie@eos.ncsu.edu (Mike Izquierdo) writes: > Can I run kermit over TCP/IP remotely using Trumpet Winsock 2.1 F? > > Mike > *----------------------------------------------------* > | Michael R. Izquierdo mrizquie@eos.ncsu.edu | > | NC State University (919) 515-5348 | > | Center for Advanced Computing and Communication | > *----------------------------------------------------* ---------- Michael, I thought the job location would have given the answer. MS-DOS Kermit is a DOS program, not a pure Windows program. Only pure Windows programs can directly couple to winsock TCP/IP stacks. MSK has its own internal TCP/IP stack which, as explained at length in the MSK docs, can be used within Windows, but one may not have two or more such stacks at one time. Just unload the winsock guy and go for it. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 30 18:04:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 05:09:32 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA21572 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 05:09:30 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech2!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.hawaii.edu!bzhang From: bzhang@uhunix2.its.Hawaii.Edu (Bin Zhang) Subject: Auto download: how? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: uhunix2.its.hawaii.edu Message-Id: Sender: news@news.hawaii.edu Organization: University of Hawaii Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:04:03 GMT Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am new to this list. This question might have been asked before. But How can I start downloading automatically, something like: Right now I have to do it this way: 1. C-Kermit> send file 2. Alt-x 3. MS-Kermit> receive Is it possible that I can simply do step 1 and Kermit will do the receiving for me? I am using Kermit 3.14 for DOS. Thanks. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Bin Zhang bzhang@Hawaii.Edu Automation Librarian (808) 734-9254 Kapiolani Community College 4303 Diamond Head Road University of Hawaii Honolulu, HI 96816 World Wide Web (URL): http://www2.hawaii.edu/~bzhang/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 1 14:48:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27695 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:48:27 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA16087 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:48:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: set speed 57600 Date: 1 Dec 1995 14:48:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 56 Message-Id: <49n4jh$fmi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <49i3ru$37t@linus.mitre.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49i3ru$37t@linus.mitre.org>, Jeff Heim wrote: : I'm trying to live dangerously and transfer : a file at 57600 over a Microcom 28.8 modem. : I'm using c-kermit 5a(190) on an Alpha running : VMS but when I do the kermit set speed command : I get: ?No keywords match - 57600. : Are you dialing out from VMS or dialing into it? If you are dialing into it, this should not be an issue. : I've set the local terminal speed to 57600 : and can get connected to the remote computer : at the higher baud rate outside of kermit. : : Is there anything I can do to try the higher : baud rate? : Let's assume you are dialing out from VMS. In that case, the problem is that C-Kermit does not believe that VMS supports 57600 bps as a valid speed. In fact, until recently, VMS did not support any speeds above 19200. Nor did it support RTS/CTS flow control. What happens if you do this? -- Before starting Kermit, tell VMS to: set term txa2 /speed=57600 /perm Then start Kermit, type "show comm" and see what it says about the speed. : A side note. Kermit works fine at 38400 and : I get decent performance (~2300 CPS, 59% efficiency) : using 1 window and 3000 byte packet length transfering : a large (900,000 byte) binary file. However, when I use : more than 1 window performance gets really bad (13% efficiency, : 480 CPS) : That's no doubt because of buffering and flow control deficiencies in your setup -- the terminal server and/or VMS itself. Buffering can be improved in SYSGEN or AUTOGEN. See the CKVINS.DOC file for lots of information about this. Until you beef up the VMS and/or terminal server configuration, you're not going to get better performance no matter what your communication speed is. : I'm happy with the 38400 performance, but wouldn't mind : trying the higher speed... BTW - I think Kermit is wonderful : and I did BUY THE BOOK. I also checked the FAQ. : Thanks * 2. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 1 14:53:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28125 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:53:45 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA16180 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:53:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Auto download: how? Date: 1 Dec 1995 14:53:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <49n4td$fpg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Bin Zhang wrote: : I am new to this list. This question might have been asked before. : But How can I start downloading automatically, something like: : : Right now I have to do it this way: : : 1. C-Kermit> send file : 2. Alt-x : 3. MS-Kermit> receive : : Is it possible that I can simply do step 1 and Kermit will do the : receiving for me? I am using Kermit 3.14 for DOS. Thanks. : Look in your Kermit directory at the file KERMIT.UPD and read section 10, "The APC Escape Sequence". By the way, Kermit 95 (for Windows 95 and NT) also detects incoming Kermit or Zmodem packets during terminal emulation and switches into receive mode (using the appropriate protocol) automatically, and back to connect mode when the transfer is done. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 1 06:33:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02466 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 10:39:41 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA17786 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 10:39:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.magicnet.net!nntp1.jpl.nasa.gov!news.alt.net!news1.alt.net!news.u.washington.edu!root From: Eric Deutsch Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ymodem receive through kermit Date: 1 Dec 1995 06:33:09 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 45 Message-Id: <49m7j5$s0n@nntp5.u.washington.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dione.astro.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) To: deutsch@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Hello all, I'm trying to write a script which automatically downloads files from a machine on a terminal server. Due to bad luck, the machine is only capable of using the Ymodem protocol, so I'm trying to get kermit to download with Ymodem protocol. First of all, I am using: C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD) Now, with the kermit distribution came a file called ckurzsz.ini which supposedly will do what I want. It allows XYZmodem transfers with the following caveat: ; It is assumed that sx, rx, sb, rb, sz, and rz are in your UNIX PATH, and ; that they are the pre-1989 versions that allow their standard input and ; output to be redirected. I do have rb in my $PATH, but it appears to be vintage: rb 3.17 10-30-91 for V7/BSD by Chuck Forsberg, Omen Technology INC Needless to say, the transfers are not working for me, and I suspect this is the reason (but I'm certainly not sure!). When the run rb, I get: C-Kermit>rb rb ready. Type "sb file ..." to your modem program ?Command exit status: 1 So finally for the questions: has anyone used these XYZmodem macros and programs through kermit successfully? or does anyone have some "pre-1989 version" of `rb` for a Sun4 that I might use (or know how to get it)? or does anyone have a suggestions of how I can write a script which allows me to telnet someplace and receive a Ymodem transfer, or any other wisdom about what might be going wrong? kermit seems to have solved all other problems but this one... any ideas? thanks, Eric -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Deutsch email: deutsch@astro.washington.edu Department of Astronomy Voice: (206) 616-2788 University of Washington FAX: (206) 685-0403 Box 351580 WWW: http://www.astro.washington.edu/deutsch Seattle, WA 98195-1580 Physics/Astronomy Bldg., Room B356F From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 29 16:37:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 15:09:57 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA00324 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 15:09:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!mayonews.mayo.edu!newsdist.tc.umn.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Screenscrapers, HLL API, ??? Message-Id: <1995Nov29.123706.1802@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 29 Nov 95 12:37:05 -0400 Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Kermit folks... I have a blurb about screen scrapers that will manipulate vt100 accounts on a vax using something called HLL API, High Level Language API. Will Kermit use it? Or, is there something that Kermit can use to put menus, etc onto a vt100 interface a la screen scraper? The goal is to let Ingres data entry screens look like windows. Sigh... point and click, etc. Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 30 22:14:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13523 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:50:20 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA01918 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:50:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!datalytics!news.ahc.ameritech.com!news.heurikon.com!daffy!uwvax!uchinews!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!smail1.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE!a2289091 From: a2289091@athena.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE (Axel Conrad) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help Date: 30 Nov 1995 22:14:26 GMT Organization: Regional Computing Center, University of Cologne Lines: 1 Message-Id: <49lac2$slr@news.rrz.uni-koeln.de> Reply-To: a2289091@athena.rrz.Uni-Koeln.DE Nntp-Posting-Host: smail1.rrz.uni-koeln.de X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 29 19:57:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20013 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 19:13:57 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA04842 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 19:13:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!gatech2!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!Portugal.EU.net!news.rccn.net!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!inn From: thalmann@ruf.uni-freiburg.de (I. Thalmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems using Kermit 3.14 under Win95 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 19:57:35 GMT Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Germany Lines: 24 Message-Id: <49idvj$hsv@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <49dmna$r7b@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <49gh0a$1gt@psdcomms.psd.com.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: slip234.home.uni-freiburg.de X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu stuart@psd.com.au (Stuart Park) wrote: >Paul Fahn (fahn@arcata.stanford.edu) wrote: >: I recently installed Win95 and am encountering the following problem >: with Kermit 3.14. When I first boot up Win95 I can use Kermit fine. >(etc...) >Actually this is related to a question I was going to ask.. >And that is.. is there a win95-specific version of Kermit either >available or being developed? (or even a windows-specific version.. >rather than just a msdos version that happens to run under windows) Actually there is a Win95 version. It's called Kermit'95 (K'95). Have a look at Kermit's homepage (http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html). Unfortunately it's the first Kermit version,that's no longer available for free (~57$). Greetings Ingo -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ingo Thalmann Freiburg/Germany thalmann@uni-freiburg.de -------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 2 00:24:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20819 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 19:24:08 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA05338 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 19:24:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Screenscrapers, HLL API, ??? Date: 2 Dec 1995 00:24:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <49o6b3$56o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Nov29.123706.1802@gems.vcu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Nov29.123706.1802@gems.vcu.edu>, Brainwave Surfer wrote: : I have a blurb about screen scrapers that will manipulate vt100 accounts : on a vax using something called HLL API, High Level Language API. : : Will Kermit use it? Or, is there something that Kermit can use to put : menus, etc onto a vt100 interface a la screen scraper? : : The goal is to let Ingres data entry screens look like windows. Sigh... : point and click, etc. : Long question, short answer: no. You'll need to buy one of those high- priced commercial screen scrapers -- they are kind of a specialty item and don't come cheap. Alternatively, you could point out to your users that it really isn't so very hard to use Ingres menus -- especially after finding out what the screen scraper would cost, and the horrible consequences that always ensue from using this approach when, later, after the ones who put it together are long gone, the underlying (scraped) screens change format and nobody's once "seamless" applications work any more and nobody knows why... Well maybe the answer wasn't so short... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 1 16:09:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 20:07:44 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA06695 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 20:07:43 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!io.org!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech2!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!bt!btnet!demon!peer-news.britain.eu.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!scisun!deng From: deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Hua Deng) Subject: K95 installation Message-Id: Organization: City College Of New York - Science Division Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:09:23 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi everybody, I just received a K95 package and had some trouble to install it properly. On one PC which has a floppy disk upgraded W95, I used add/remove to install K95 but when K95 is running, all W95 windows and task bar disappeared and It looks like a DOS kermit. I tried to get the patch from BBS but can not find it in download area. I do not know how to start another ftp session because I can not use W95 in K95. I think there must be a file K95 uses but was not installed in W95. Please help me. Another problem is that K95 can not initialize the internal modem and bounce me to the manual mode every time (I tried heyes 2400 and usr). PCANYWHERE dislays the working initialization commands but I need some help to find a proper place to put them in for K95. I also tried K95 on anothe PC with preinstalled W95 and it worked fine. But when I tried to use ftp or telnet in K95 through a ppp connection established by Trumpet (16 bit), it always brings up the Dial-Up networking window if DialUp binds to TCP/IP or simplly fail if Dial Up is unbound to TCP/IP. Trumpet is used because I hope I can set the PC to answer the calls rather than dialup. Thank you for your help. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 30 14:15:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14351 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 2 Dec 1995 06:23:57 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA25109 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 2 Dec 1995 06:23:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!wrdis02.robins.af.mil!rcp6.elan.af.mil!newshub.nosc.mil!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Auto download: how? Message-Id: <1995Nov30.201503.68350@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Nov 95 20:15:03 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , bzhang@uhunix2.its.Hawaii.Edu (Bin Zhang) writes: > I am new to this list. This question might have been asked before. > But How can I start downloading automatically, something like: > > Right now I have to do it this way: > > 1. C-Kermit> send file > 2. Alt-x > 3. MS-Kermit> receive > > Is it possible that I can simply do step 1 and Kermit will do the > receiving for me? I am using Kermit 3.14 for DOS. Thanks. --------- The easiest approach is this way: 1. C-Kermit> server 2. Alt-x 3. MS-Kermit> get filename or send filename That gives you more flexibility. "filename" can contain wild cards to deal with a group of files. These commands are explained well in the user's manuals, the books "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and "Using C-Kermit." Try typing HELP at the MSK command prompt and see the book reference. There are more advanced techniques but I think they are best left alone until you feel comfortable with standard ones. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 2 17:57:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08426 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 2 Dec 1995 12:57:46 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA18865 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 2 Dec 1995 12:57:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 installation Date: 2 Dec 1995 17:57:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 72 Message-Id: <49q42j$idf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Hua Deng wrote: : Hi everybody, I just received a K95 package and had some trouble to : install it properly. On one PC which has a floppy disk upgraded W95, I : used add/remove to install K95 but when K95 is running, all W95 windows : and task bar disappeared and It looks like a DOS kermit. : Instead of using add/remove to install it, please just run the setup program direct from the diskette. The Kermit 95 terminal/command screen runs in a Windows 95 console window. Do you have your console windows configured for full screen? Directions for obtaining the 1.1.1 patch were posted to this list a while back; they are reproduced below. : Another problem is that K95 can not initialize the internal modem and : bounce me to the manual mode every time (I tried heyes 2400 and : usr). PCANYWHERE dislays the working initialization commands but I need : some help to find a proper place to put them in for K95. : What kind of modem do you have? What kind of modem did you tell Kermit that you have? Did you read the file DOCS\MODEMS.DOC? It explains how to alter modem configurations and add new modems. : I also tried K95 on anothe PC with preinstalled W95 and it worked : fine. But when I tried to use ftp or telnet in K95 through a ppp : connection established by Trumpet (16 bit), it always brings up the : Dial-Up networking window if DialUp binds to TCP/IP or simplly fail if : Dial Up is unbound to TCP/IP. Trumpet is used because I hope I can set : the PC to answer the calls rather than dialup. : Kermit 95 presently does not work with Trumpet Winsock. Version 1.1.2, which will be announced shortly (as a patch) should address this problem but only for the new 32-bit Winsock. Kermit 95 does not interface with any 16-bit Winsock package. Patch 1: Version 1.1.1 of Kermit 95, available to current users of Kermit 95 as a patch: You may download the patch from our BBS or you can ftp in binary mode from the Internet Kermit archive: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/patches/* To apply Patch Number 1: . Make a backup copy of your Kermit 95 directory. This is not only a safety precaution in case something goes wrong (it shouldn't), but also because future patches might have to be applied to the 1.1 base version. . Ftp the following files to your PC's Kermit 95 directory in binary mode: w110-111.rtp w110-111.rtd patch.exe . While cd'd to your Kermit 95 directory, type the following command: patch w110-111.rtp . Check afterwards that your K95DIAL.EXE and K95.EXE files operate correctly, that the bugs mentioned above are fixed, and that none of the files that you might have customized (such as K95CUSTOM.INI or DIALUSR.DAT) have been altered. After applying the patch, read the BUGS.DOC file for details about the bugs that were fixed by this patch, and known problems that are still outstanding, as well as some frequently asked questions (and answers). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 1 15:15:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 2 Dec 1995 15:52:03 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA25000 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 2 Dec 1995 15:52:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!umcc.umich.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news-server!huggins From: huggins@tarski.eecs.umich.edu (James K. Huggins) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.13 and Trumpet 2.1 F Date: 01 Dec 1995 15:15:48 GMT Organization: University of Michigan EECS Dept., Ann Arbor, MI Lines: 14 Message-Id: References: <49i8lq$vds@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> <49l9kc$t6f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: tarski.eecs.umich.edu In-Reply-To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 30 Nov 1995 22:01:48 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <49l9kc$t6f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: In article <49i8lq$vds@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>, Mike Izquierdo wrote: >Can I run kermit over TCP/IP remotely using Trumpet Winsock 2.1 F? > Kermit 95 will work over the new 32-bit Trumpet Winsock as soon as the next patch (1.1.2) is issued, hopefully this coming week. You mean the next patch to K95, right? Just clarifying. -- Jim Huggins, Univ. of Michigan huggins@umich.edu "You cannot pray to a personal computer no matter how user-friendly it is." (PGP key available upon request) W. Bingham Hunter From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 2 21:52:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24588 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 2 Dec 1995 16:52:43 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA27048 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 2 Dec 1995 16:52:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.13 and Trumpet 2.1 F Date: 2 Dec 1995 21:52:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <49qhr3$qd0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <49i8lq$vds@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> <49l9kc$t6f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , James K. Huggins wrote: :In article <49l9kc$t6f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : : In article <49i8lq$vds@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>, : Mike Izquierdo wrote: : > Can I run kermit over TCP/IP remotely using Trumpet Winsock 2.1 F? : > : Kermit 95 will work over the new 32-bit Trumpet Winsock as soon as the : next patch (1.1.2) is issued, hopefully this coming week. : :You mean the next patch to K95, right? Just clarifying. : Right. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 3 19:28:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13143 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 3 Dec 1995 17:38:57 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA25714 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 3 Dec 1995 17:38:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!news.uregina.ca!meena.cc.uregina.ca!vogt12 From: vogt12@meena.cc.uregina.ca Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: RE: Downloading a file directly from the host's Web-browser Date: 3 DEC 95 19:28:05 GMT Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3DEC95.19280521@meena.cc.uregina.ca> References: <3DEC95.04190434@meena.cc.uregina.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: meena.cc.uregina.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In yesterday's message, I described the two pairs of DEC VT control sequences for sending screen output to a slave printer. I thought at the time that one is a text- or "cooked-" mode, the other a binary- or "raw-" mode. Well, this is incorrect; at least for authentic DEC dumb terminals it is. How do I know? Like this: I read DEC's "VT 220 Programmer Pocket Guide", first, 1983. In there I found out that "Auto print" (the ESC [ ? 5 i ; ESC [ ? 4 i pair) prints a line and a CR AFTER it has echoed on the screen. The "Printer controller mode" (the ESC [ 5 i ; ESC [ 4 i pair) prints characters WITHOUT displaying them on the screen. But it is not a binary mode. NUL, XON, XOFF and CSI 5 i ; CSI 4 i (the eight-bit version of the seven-bit pair just quoted) don't get sent! Therefore I can't use it to download binary files. It appears to me that the terminal, not the host, is responsible for this. And when I run Kermit 3.0, its imitation of a VT causes nulls (ASCII 0) to get lost; indeed it alters the data more than a real DEC VT does, according to a comparison of its behaviour with the specs quoted on p. 28 of the Guide. But the KERMIT.BWR file that accompanies Kermit 3.14 claims that the "controller" mode prints transparently: ALL characters go the printer so long as Parity is set to NONE. If this be true, then Kermit 3.14 and 3.0 are not alike in this respect! (And this file got the purpose of the on/off sequences backwards...) Is there a newer control pair, perhaps introduced with VT340 & up, that sends all characters unchanged to the slave printer? Please note that VT ser- vices "Print cursor line, Print screen" are useless to me here. Or do you know for a fact that Kermit 3.14 doesn't mess up its print- only input by changing nulls etc? If the answer to both these questions is "no", then somehow telling VTWWW to download its current file with the CKermit "SEND" command is the only way to capture it to local disk. Either that or using a term type acceptable to the host, WYSE maybe, that can actually do transparent printing. Because the "LOG SESSION" option, which IS transparent, will be stymied by the fact that the binary file will be scrolled to, and stuck on, the screen. Any suggestions? From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 3 23:22:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16197 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 3 Dec 1995 18:22:50 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA27340 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 3 Dec 1995 18:22:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Downloading a file directly from the host's Web-browser Date: 3 Dec 1995 23:22:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <49tbfv$qm5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3DEC95.04190434@meena.cc.uregina.ca> <3DEC95.19280521@meena.cc.uregina.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu By the very definition of VTxxx Controller-Print and Auto-Print modes they are not transparent. Controller-Print sends most data to the printer but not all. Auto-Print copies the current terminal line to the printer after a LF or VT. The notion of using the print mechanisms as a way of performing Binary file transfers is not well thought out. It might work assuming that you have a perfectly clean line. But then you would not be going through any terminal servers, telnet sessions, .... Even in that case you still have to worry about flow control, and hope that no data is lost along the way. A straight print dump gives you no way to verify that the data is complete. --- If you want to perform file transfers, use a file transfer protocol. If you can convince your Web-Browser to auto-print a downloaded file, then it should be trivial to convince it to auto-transfer a file using Kermit's APC mechanisms. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 11025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 2 16:33:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 3 Dec 1995 20:33:53 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA02641 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 3 Dec 1995 20:33:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Downloading a file directly from the host's Web-browser Message-Id: <1995Dec2.223314.68564@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Dec 95 22:33:14 MDT References: <3DEC95.04190434@meena.cc.uregina.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 80 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3DEC95.04190434@meena.cc.uregina.ca>, vogt12@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes: > A few years ago I bought MS-Kermit 3.0 complete with the book "Using MS-DOS > Kermit", first edition, 1990. I use it to connect with DEC & IBM mainframes and > I only run DOS 3.3; so that after I created some "take" files with ample defi- > nitions for DEC VT & IBM 3270 special keys (I still don't know all of 'em!), > this version of Kermit has always met all my needs. Until now: > One of two VT-type Web-browsers on the VMS-running VAX here goes by the > name of "VTWWW". This is its name as defined in a DCL global symbol. Its real > name may be something else. Any guesses? That symbol disappeared yesterday, and > I might find this Web-browser's directory if I know its real name. Unlike Lynx, > it uses typed numbers instead of the right-arrow key to follow a link. Anyway, > it has a very convenient feature provided your Kermit is new enough to exploit > it. (Mine isn't.) It gives you the option of printing via CKermit the current > file on your PC's printer. You don't have to do anything to make this happen! > It just happens, and the screen continues to display the host session. Further- > more, if you escape and issue "SET PRINTER file.nam" to the local Kermit, the > Web-browser's file will go to a DOS file instead of to PRN. > But my 3.0 Kermit lacks the SET PRINTER feature. To get around this, I > installed a TSR, "VPRINT.COM", that hooks Print BIOS Int 17h to redirect print > jobs to a disk file. Then with Kermit going, I asked VTWWW to "print" an .html > to my PC. It worked; the .html appeared on my DOS disk as a text file, spaced > like the original but with no mark-up stuff in it. So far fine. But when I went > back and tried to bring down a *binary* .ZIP file this way, the job was termi- > nated after a few (dozen) characters. The incomplete file that turned up on my > PC when typed looked as it did when it was displayed by the Web-browser on the > host. > I eliminated VPRINT.COM as the cause of the problem. It definitely can > handle binary files without modifying them in the smallest way if so requested. > I also compared the short corrupted binary file received with an intact copy. > The damage is extensive, but I noticed one thing: the printing Kermits change > nulls (ASCII 0) into CR/LF's (etc). So I tried an experiment: I set the VAX's > term to "/DEV=UNKNOWN /NOANSI" and the PC's term type to "NONE". The attempt > failed exactly as before. > Reading a newer version of KERMIT.HLP, I think I know how VTWWW initi- > ates the output to PRN: by issuing the sequence ESC [ ? i 5 to start printing > and ESC [ ? i 4 to stop. But these are for line-by-line or text-mode printing. > For binary-mode printing of all characters, the sequences are ESC [ i 5 and > ESC i 4. Note the absence of the the "?" > Do you agree with me that the VTWWW program on the VAX was not set up > to issue the second control pair and was not even able perhaps to tell a binary > file from a text one? Or does the problem lie elsewhere, like in a Kermit quirk > that can only be solved by upgrading from version 3.0 to 3.14? > And what is the real name for the VMS Web-browser whose alias is apt to > be "VTWWW"? Your answers to these questions will be highly appreciated, and > when I succeed in solving this problem I'll tell you how I did it with your help > Yours truly, Warren --------------- CSI ? i 4/5 is definitely the wrong way of printing binary information. That is DEC's "controller" printing described below. The proper way is "transparent" printing CSI i 4/5, also described below. Controller printing outputs only what you see on the screen, minus all cursor steering and other material on the comms line, and thus it is text-only. Transparent printing is suitable for binary information. MSK v3.00 is very long in the tooth and I recommend you upgrade to the current MSK v3.14. It's available by anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/msdos, binary file msvibm.zip is the quick-start kit. Many more features are present in 3.14. Here's the printing detail, from file msvibm.vt. CSI Pn i MC Printer controls (Media Copy) Pn 0 Print whole Screen 4 Exit printer controller (transparent print) 5 Enter printer controller (transparent print) Transparent printing sends all output, except the CSI 4 i termination string, to the printer and not the screen, uses an 8-bit channel if no parity so NUL and DEL will be seen by the printer and by the termination recognizer code, and all translation and character set selections are bypassed. CSI ? Pn i MC DEC Printer controls (Media Copy) Pn 1 Print line containing cursor 4 Exit autoprint (stop echoing to printer) 5 Enter autoprint (echo screen chars to printer) Autoprint prints a final display line only when the cursor is moved off the line by an autowrap or LF, FF, or VT (otherwise do not print the line). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 3 08:07:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 4 Dec 1995 13:25:27 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA17296 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 13:25:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: RE: Downloading a file directly from the host's Web-browser Message-Id: <1995Dec3.140729.68599@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Dec 95 14:07:29 MDT References: <3DEC95.04190434@meena.cc.uregina.ca> <3DEC95.19280521@meena.cc.uregina.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3DEC95.19280521@meena.cc.uregina.ca>, vogt12@meena.cc.uregina.ca writes: > In yesterday's message, I described the two pairs of DEC VT control sequences > for sending screen output to a slave printer. I thought at the time that one is > a text- or "cooked-" mode, the other a binary- or "raw-" mode. Well, this is > incorrect; at least for authentic DEC dumb terminals it is. How do I know? Like > this: I read DEC's "VT 220 Programmer Pocket Guide", first, 1983. In there I > found out that "Auto print" (the ESC [ ? 5 i ; ESC [ ? 4 i pair) prints a line > and a CR AFTER it has echoed on the screen. The "Printer controller mode" (the > ESC [ 5 i ; ESC [ 4 i pair) prints characters WITHOUT displaying them on the > screen. But it is not a binary mode. NUL, XON, XOFF and CSI 5 i ; CSI 4 i (the > eight-bit version of the seven-bit pair just quoted) don't get sent! Therefore > I can't use it to download binary files. You can do yourself a favor by following my suggestion to pickup the current issue of MSK v3.14 and putting it to the test. Speculating on what MSK 3.00 does is of academic interest in this epoch. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 3 04:19:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10057 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 4 Dec 1995 16:09:40 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA23995 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 16:09:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cuhknntp!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!news.uregina.ca!meena.cc.uregina.ca!vogt12 From: vogt12@meena.cc.uregina.ca Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Downloading a file directly from the host's Web-browser Date: 3 DEC 95 04:19:04 GMT Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3DEC95.04190434@meena.cc.uregina.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: meena.cc.uregina.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A few years ago I bought MS-Kermit 3.0 complete with the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit", first edition, 1990. I use it to connect with DEC & IBM mainframes and I only run DOS 3.3; so that after I created some "take" files with ample defi- nitions for DEC VT & IBM 3270 special keys (I still don't know all of 'em!), this version of Kermit has always met all my needs. Until now: One of two VT-type Web-browsers on the VMS-running VAX here goes by the name of "VTWWW". This is its name as defined in a DCL global symbol. Its real name may be something else. Any guesses? That symbol disappeared yesterday, and I might find this Web-browser's directory if I know its real name. Unlike Lynx, it uses typed numbers instead of the right-arrow key to follow a link. Anyway, it has a very convenient feature provided your Kermit is new enough to exploit it. (Mine isn't.) It gives you the option of printing via CKermit the current file on your PC's printer. You don't have to do anything to make this happen! It just happens, and the screen continues to display the host session. Further- more, if you escape and issue "SET PRINTER file.nam" to the local Kermit, the Web-browser's file will go to a DOS file instead of to PRN. But my 3.0 Kermit lacks the SET PRINTER feature. To get around this, I installed a TSR, "VPRINT.COM", that hooks Print BIOS Int 17h to redirect print jobs to a disk file. Then with Kermit going, I asked VTWWW to "print" an .html to my PC. It worked; the .html appeared on my DOS disk as a text file, spaced like the original but with no mark-up stuff in it. So far fine. But when I went back and tried to bring down a *binary* .ZIP file this way, the job was termi- nated after a few (dozen) characters. The incomplete file that turned up on my PC when typed looked as it did when it was displayed by the Web-browser on the host. I eliminated VPRINT.COM as the cause of the problem. It definitely can handle binary files without modifying them in the smallest way if so requested. I also compared the short corrupted binary file received with an intact copy. The damage is extensive, but I noticed one thing: the printing Kermits change nulls (ASCII 0) into CR/LF's (etc). So I tried an experiment: I set the VAX's term to "/DEV=UNKNOWN /NOANSI" and the PC's term type to "NONE". The attempt failed exactly as before. Reading a newer version of KERMIT.HLP, I think I know how VTWWW initi- ates the output to PRN: by issuing the sequence ESC [ ? i 5 to start printing and ESC [ ? i 4 to stop. But these are for line-by-line or text-mode printing. For binary-mode printing of all characters, the sequences are ESC [ i 5 and ESC i 4. Note the absence of the the "?" Do you agree with me that the VTWWW program on the VAX was not set up to issue the second control pair and was not even able perhaps to tell a binary file from a text one? Or does the problem lie elsewhere, like in a Kermit quirk that can only be solved by upgrading from version 3.0 to 3.14? And what is the real name for the VMS Web-browser whose alias is apt to be "VTWWW"? Your answers to these questions will be highly appreciated, and when I succeed in solving this problem I'll tell you how I did it with your help Yours truly, Warren From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 4 18:18:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14417 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Dec 1995 05:08:11 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA18119 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 05:08:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.us.world.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!news.PBI.net!agis!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!lamarck.sura.net!gozer.inri.com!gozer.inri.com!not-for-mail From: jjf@inri.com (Josh J Fielek) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc, Subject: Kermit libs? Date: 4 Dec 1995 13:18:28 -0500 Organization: Inter-National Research Institute Lines: 12 Message-Id: <49ve1k$hth@gozer.inri.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer.inri.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Are there any production, shareware, whatever, kermit libraries? We have a need for kermit functionality, but due to process monitoring needs would prefer to put the functionality into one of our own spec'd processes. J. Fielek -- Joshua J. Fielek DoD#385 AMA#517381 WERA#968 The Garage of Xanadu: Inter-National Research Institute, Inc. 1981 R80G/S-PD* 1990 906 Paso* jjf@inri.com 1975 RD350 1990 EX500(cold backup) What can I say... I'm a moto-slut. 1988 EX500* 198X Aero 80(Turbo)* From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 5 02:22:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Dec 1995 07:39:49 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA07159 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 07:39:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!alpha.epas.utoronto.ca!blues.epas.utoronto.ca!ekoku From: Emmanuel Koku Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Initializing Modem from Kermit Prompt Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 21:22:52 -0500 Organization: EPAS Computing Facility, University of Toronto Lines: 6 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: blues.epas.utoronto.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hallo Fellows, I will be very grateful if someone could help me with some stuff on modems. First, how could I initialize the modem from the kermit command prompt?. Any ideas are welcome. Thanks. Sincerely, Emmanuel. From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 5 02:55:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07070 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Dec 1995 08:50:24 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA09298 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 08:50:22 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!wb3ffv!usenet From: John Grimes Subject: [Q] How to get kermit to dial out via Novell Netware (NAVIS) ? Sender: usenet@abs.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 02:55:25 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp59.bcpl.lib.md.us Organization: ABSnet Internet Services, Inc. - info@abs.net - (410)-361-8160 Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings, bia.edu Greetings The subject says it all. Novell is version 4.x and kermit is version 3.14. Thanks in advance. John jgrimes@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 5 14:01:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Dec 1995 14:38:13 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA21928 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 14:38:07 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ad525 From: ad525@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jamie Ryan) Subject: Lose connection when going to DOS? Message-Id: Sender: ad525@freenet3.carleton.ca (Jamie Ryan) Reply-To: ad525@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jamie Ryan) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 14:01:16 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello. We have been using Kermit (DOS) for many years. We use the feature of exiting back to DOS without losing the connection. I have an old Compaq notebook with a Hayes 2400 SmartModem and whenever I exit back to DOS I can hear the modem hanging up. Any ideas? Thanks, Jamie Ryan Ottawa From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 4 21:35:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:07:53 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA23119 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:07:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!news1.halcyon.com!chinook.halcyon.com!kmhouse From: KeithM Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Write-file produces continuous record Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 13:35:08 -0800 Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 15 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello all: I'm using MS-DOS Kermit, version 3.14 on an IBM PC/AT 486/dx66 clone. I've written a batch file that executes a kermit script that writes several messages to a DOS file. These vary depending on what happens within the script. After the kermit script is finished and control is returned to the batch file, the DOS file is then written to screen. The kermit verbs I'm using are OPEN WRITE filename, WRITE FILE some message, WRITE FILE another message, CLOSE WRITE-FILE. When the file is displayed on the screen, all the lines are run together. Does anyone know how to write to a DOS file so that each WRITE FILE produces a separate line? Thanks in advance for any and all help. ' From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 5 20:42:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:42:40 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA24458 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:42:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Write-file produces continuous record Date: 5 Dec 1995 20:42:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <4a2aqp$ns6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , KeithM wrote: : I'm using MS-DOS Kermit, version 3.14 on an IBM PC/AT 486/dx66 clone. : I've written a batch file that executes a kermit script that writes several : messages to a DOS file. These vary depending on what happens within the : script. After the kermit script is finished and control is returned to : the batch file, the DOS file is then written to screen. The kermit verbs : I'm using are OPEN WRITE filename, WRITE FILE some message, WRITE FILE : another message, CLOSE WRITE-FILE. : : When the file is displayed on the screen, all the lines are run together. : Does anyone know how to write to a DOS file so that each WRITE FILE : produces a separate line? : Include \13\10 at the end of the string, as explained in "Using MS-DOS Kermit", page 169. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 5 20:45:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18682 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:45:49 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA24584 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:45:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: scripts Date: 5 Dec 1995 20:45:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <4a2b1o$o06@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jon Sykes wrote: : Does anyone have any experience with writing scripts? : I would like to write one that connects me up to my VAX account, selects : a number from the menu, logs me in, then either a) downloads my email to : a text file on my PC and/or b) ftp me a file and download to my pc. : : Another script that would download certain files from a temp directory on my : VAX account at certain times of the night, then log out, would be great too. : : Am I just dreaming, or is this possible? : Totally possible. The Kermit script language, like any other programming language, is best used in combination with a reference manual, at least until you become fluent in it. You'll find tons of examples like the ones you cite in the manuals "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and "Using C-Kermit" as well as in the script programs that are supplied with MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit. More about the manuals and the software on our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 5 11:20:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 02:37:23 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA17410 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 02:37:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!news.uregina.ca!MAX.CC.Uregina.CA!VOGTPATR From: VOGTPATR@MAX.CC.Uregina.CA (Warren Vogt) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Local printing of Web-browser links. Here's how: Date: Tue, 05 Dec 95 17:20:17 CST Organization: University of Regina Lines: 79 Message-Id: <1746BF3E7.VOGTPATR@MAX.CC.Uregina.CA> Nntp-Posting-Host: max.cc.uregina.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My experiment with using VT200 codes to send a Web-browser's selected document to the PC's printer instead of to the screen has yielded the following results, including a solution of how to force VMS to send those codes when the applica- tion isn't set up to. Kermit's echo and write screen don't work; they display to the local not the connect session. Assigning these codes to a key fails in or out of connect. Using the "output" statement also fails, because what is Output from Kermit is Input to the host! VMS "DEFINE /KEY" always fails. In fact it inexplicably cannot be made to do anything, even though VMS /LOG messages claim otherwise. To replicate its ef- fect, use Kermit's set key nnn output {VMS command} . And if I'm not mistaken, the \KudkFn is no help here because its effect is defined for the Kermit, not the host, prompt. It performs services to Kermit or DOS, not to VMS, I think. No. In order for Kermit to respond to these codes, the host must OUTPUT them itself! But how do we make it happen? Not all host applications are aware of this option. VTWWW was one that is. It is gone now and Lynx remains. Fortun- ately I have taught it how to perform this trick. That is explained in the DCL program at the end of the letter. If the application, refuses to emit CSI 5 i , CSI 4 i (the eight-bit forms of on/off), you can assign these values to symbols and have the host output them with WRITE SYS$OUTPUT symb or TYPE SYS$INPUT . The procedure at the end uses the first method. With set key output {WRITE etc.} \13 , it can be as- signed to a key as if DEC's DEFINE /KEY had done it. By modifying an application's config. file, the procedure can be invoked from inside it. When that's not possible, do SPAWN WRITE SYS$OUTPUT symb . If it doesn't permit so short an interruption, you still have a recourse: Type your modem's escape series & type the codes manually. Here's how it's done with the seven-bit ones: +++ OK (says your modem) Ctrl-[ [ 5 i (no spaces. 5 starts 4 stops controlled printing) AT O1 (go back to the host. Type commands without seeing them) This method is unreliable. It can put junk in the way of the DCL commands you enter without your seeing. CLEAR the input buffer first. Then maybe... Here is a procedure for Typing a VMS file and making it appear on your printer or on your micro's disk if Kermit's SET PRINTER was asked for. Some applica- tions will use it at your request. How is explained inside. My thanks to John, Frank and Joe for supplementing the information in Christine Gianone's 1990 (first edition) book with more current advice. ------------------------------------CUT HERE----------------------------------- $ ! This program tells the LYNX Web-browser, VMS version, how to send a plain $ ! or formatted text file that it is referencing to the DEC VT's or PC's $ ! attached printer instead of to the screen. The VT200 "Printer controller" $ ! function is 99% transparent to all byte values, but it should not be used $ ! for binary (executable) files. Download them with Kermit's Send File , Type $ ! Binary function. -- Written by Warren Vogt on Dec. 4, 1995. Anyone may use. $ ! To avoid conflict with a program called "lpansi" that can do what this one $ ! does, this procedure has been given the name PANSY.COM and the following $ ! enabling line inserted into my copy of the LYNX.CFG file : $ ! PRINTER:To the printer of a DEC VT or a PC running Kermit:@PANSY %s :TRUE $ ! $ SET SYMBOL /GENERAL /SCOPE=NOGLOBAL $ PRNON = "P[5i" $ PRNON[0,8] = %D27 $ PRNOFF = "P[4i" $ PRNOFF[0,8] = %D27 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "The current link, if a text-file, will go to the PC's printer." $ INQUIRE DECIDE "Type Y if your printer or Kermit's SET PRINTER is ready" $ IF .NOT. DECIDE THEN $ EXIT $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Printing begins..." $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$STRING(PRNON) $ TYPE /NOPAGE 'P1 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$STRING(PRNOFF) $ SUMMON = " The document has been printed!BBBB" $ SUMMON[248,16] = %O3407 $ SUMMON[264,16] = %O3407 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$STRING(SUMMON) $ ! WAIT 00:00:13 ! 13 seconds chosen because less is ignored, more is tedious. $ EXIT From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 4 13:50:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20608 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 04:14:57 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA19393 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 04:14:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Write-file produces continuous record Message-Id: <1995Dec4.195040.68738@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Dec 95 19:50:40 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , KeithM writes: > Hello all: > I'm using MS-DOS Kermit, version 3.14 on an IBM PC/AT 486/dx66 clone. > I've written a batch file that executes a kermit script that writes several > messages to a DOS file. These vary depending on what happens within the > script. After the kermit script is finished and control is returned to > the batch file, the DOS file is then written to screen. The kermit verbs > I'm using are OPEN WRITE filename, WRITE FILE some message, WRITE FILE > another message, CLOSE WRITE-FILE. > > When the file is displayed on the screen, all the lines are run together. > Does anyone know how to write to a DOS file so that each WRITE FILE > produces a separate line? > > Thanks in advance for any and all help. -------- You add your own CR and LF's. That's \13 and \10, respectively. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 5 04:14:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20337 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:28:28 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA12972 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:28:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] How to get kermit to dial out via Novell Netware (NAVIS) , sorry Message-Id: <1995Dec5.101455.68785@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Dec 95 10:14:55 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , John Grimes writes: > Greetings > > The subject says it all. Novell is version 4.x and > kermit is version 3.14. Thanks in advance. > > John > jgrimes@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us ----------- No, Novell is the name of the company. You must mean NetWare v4.what. This question is well outside the range of the Kermit project. You need to talk with vendors about remote dialout programs running on NetWare 4.what. NetWare Connect is one, from Novell. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 5 04:52:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04638 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:45:13 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA18035 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:45:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Initializing Modem from Kermit Prompt Message-Id: <1995Dec5.105255.68791@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Dec 95 10:52:55 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Emmanuel Koku writes: > Hallo Fellows, I will be very grateful if someone could help me with > some stuff on modems. First, how could I initialize the modem from the > kermit command prompt?. Any ideas are welcome. Thanks. > > Sincerely, Emmanuel. ------------ For what kind of machine? A regular DOS PC? If so then please do have a look at the documentation which comes with MS-DOS Kermit, because it includes a dialer script to do the work for you. Otherwise, type CONNECT to enter terminal emulation mode and then type the ATfoobar commands of choice to your modem. Those AT commands are specific to your modem and are in its manual. The dialer script issues them too, so have a look at those Kermit script files (they are text files). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 6 14:57:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:32:29 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA22244 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:32:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.kreonet.re.kr!news.dacom.co.kr!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: "Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com" <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Server download file status Date: 6 Dec 1995 14:57:43 GMT Organization: Sparta Systems Lines: 25 Message-Id: <4a4b17$76n$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Under Windows environment, we are using Kermit's Server to receive files from a remote site. Concurrently with executing the Kermit server (using a *.pif), another (Windows) application is running and is looking to process these downloaded files as soon as each file is done downloading. while Kermit is active which waits until the kermit file is received to process the new data. This application determines when kermit is done with receiving the file by trying to open the file using exclusive mode, i.e., deny write and read access to other applications. This data processing application runs fine on two of our three PCs but on the third PC the data processing application can open the file and even delete the file while kermit is still receiving the file. Is it possible to tell kermit that the file being received can not be accessed by any other application? Note, MS Word does this when editing a file contary to Windows NotePad which allows others to access and delete a file while being edited. Thanks in advance, From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 5 06:40:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16747 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:36:59 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA22323 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:36:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Lose connection when going to DOS? Message-Id: <1995Dec5.124006.68818@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Dec 95 12:40:06 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ad525@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jamie Ryan) writes: > Hello. > > We have been using Kermit (DOS) for many years. We use the feature of > exiting back to DOS without losing the connection. I have an old Compaq > notebook with a Hayes 2400 SmartModem and whenever I exit back to DOS I > can hear the modem hanging up. Any ideas? ----------- None. Notebooks, especially older notebooks, are strange indeed and there is no general advice which seems to apply to more than one at a time. Undoubtedly some part of the machine is monitoring the serial port, or even being presumptious enough to turn off the modem whenever the primary Command.com is in charge again. There isn't anything we can do about that, alas. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 6 08:48:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:26:42 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA28670 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:26:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!alpha.epas.utoronto.ca!not-for-mail From: kan@blues.epas.utoronto.ca (Raymond Kan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using MS-Kermit 3.14 with PPP under WIN 3/95 Possible? Date: 6 Dec 1995 03:48:57 -0500 Organization: University of Toronto -- EPAS Lines: 36 Message-Id: <4a3ldp$aad@blues.epas.utoronto.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: blues.epas.utoronto.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I connect to my mainframe using PPP, and I am not happy with the Telnet client that comes with Windows 95 and would like to use Kermit instead (for keyboard mapping and downloading). However, I have not been able to this. I had made appropriate changes in mscustom.ini and typing check TCP gives response of TCP/IP is available. However after typing set port tcp/ip hostname connect and I get an error message of Cannot attacj to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver. Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting. ?Cannot start the connection. and my PPP connection went dead as well. I am wondering what I need to do to get MS-Kermit 3.14 to work as my Telnet client. I read the FAQ but that was no discussion of PPP. Some discussion on SLIP seems to suggest that MS-Kermit is not supposed to work easily to get TCP/IP under Windows environment. But Kermit is my favorite communication program, so any suggestions as to how I can get it to work would be greatly appreciated. BTW, OS/2 Kermit works flawlessly under PPP so I think it should also be possible for MS-Kermit to work under PPP. Thanks ahead for all the help. Raymond Kan kan@epas.utoronto.ca From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 6 19:47:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14097 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 17:59:38 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA02163 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 17:59:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!lamarck.sura.net!isurus.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us!mycteria.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us!don From: Don Hayward Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit and rx under linux Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:47:03 -0500 Organization: Mote Marine Laboratory, Sarasota, FL Lines: 37 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: mycteria.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Read-Receipt-To: don@marinelab.sarasota.fl.us Return-Receipt-To: don@marinelab.sarasota.fl.us Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to download data from a remote datalogger using a combination of c-kermit and rx. I have only two choices for data transfer protocol, ascii dump (no error checking) and xmodem due to software constraints on the data logger. The connection is made and the menu system on the datalogger is negotiated reliably. The menu selection to start the xmodem download gets the appropriate response and then I issues this command in the kermit script: !rx -uvy /weather/weather_log.951206 /dev/cur0 2>>/weather/weather_log.log (all on one line) At that point what I see in the log file is: Receiving: rx: ready to receive /root/weather/weather_log.951206 Retry 0: Got 040 sector header and everything stops. I have to kill the rx process to get things to continue. I've tried it without the rx -options -- no difference. I tried having kermit release the line before the call -- the shell complains that the device isn't available and aborts. I'm running Linux 1.2.11. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks. don Don Hayward, JAPH Mote Marine Laboratory don@marinelab.sarasota.fl.us 1600 Ken Thompson Parkway Voice: 941.388.4441 Sarasota, FL 34236 Fax: 941.388.4312 We are an independent, non-profit, marine and estuarine research and education facility. require "disclaimer.pl"; See: http://www.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us/ http://www.marinelab.sarasota.fl.us/~don From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 6 11:15:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19000 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 18:55:46 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA04032 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 18:55:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: "Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com" <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Server File Protection Date: 6 Dec 1995 11:15:36 GMT Organization: Sparta Systems Lines: 15 Message-Id: <4a3u0o$91o$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We are using Kermit's Server to receive files from a remote location via modem. After each file is received another application processes the file. This other application determines when to process the file in the Windows 3.11 environment by trying to open the file with a OF_SHARE_EXCLUSIVE style. So far this method of testing to determine when the file being received by kermit is completed has worked on two out of three PCs. How can one set file protection on a file being received in kermit so that no other application can open or delete the file? Note, MS Word does this with the files it opens for editing. Thanks in Advance, Rich Godlewsky From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 6 23:24:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27322 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 20:35:03 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA07594 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 20:35:01 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: C-Kermit for OS/2 hangs when I hit ^C Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Physics Department, Purdue University Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 23:24:41 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings. I've asked about this problem before, and was told that the problem was my serial port driver. Since then I've decided that this simply can't be true. I've tried the newest version of Ray Gwinn's drivers, and the newest version of the OS/2's own COM.SYS. The problem is this: every now and then, when I hit CTRL-C more than a couple of times in succession while in command mode, C-Kermit freezes completely. Nothing can kill it--not even Watchcat. I've tried resetting/disconnecting the modem--still nothing. The only way to get my serial port back is to reboot. My roommate has the same problem. We're both using Warp for Windows (red box). Please help. I can find no mention of this type of problem in _Using C-Kermit_. Andy -- Andrew J. Korty Systems Programmer Physics Computer Network Purdue University From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 5 20:39:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02490 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 21:39:24 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA10249 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 21:39:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!pacifier!homer.alpha.net!news.jersey.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Initializing Modem from Kermit Prompt Date: 5 Dec 1995 20:39:26 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 18 Message-Id: <4a2alu$ncc@hustle.rahul.net> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Emmanuel Koku (ekoku@epas.utoronto.ca) wrote: : Hallo Fellows, I will be very grateful if someone could help me with : some stuff on modems. First, how could I initialize the modem from the : kermit command prompt?. Any ideas are welcome. Thanks. In my mskermit.ini, I have this line. define modprog output AT&F L2 \G1 S7=90 S11=50 S21=56 &W \13 The actual programming valuse were derived over a period of usage, for my particular modem. Of course, once you get it set up, there is probably no need to do this on a regular basis. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 6 22:53:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Dec 1995 23:16:29 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA13848 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 23:16:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!kusogari From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit for win95 - single byte only? Date: 6 Dec 1995 22:53:58 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 9 Message-Id: <4a56u6$5pa@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Reply-To: cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: kuso.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does kermit for Win95 support all language versions of Win95 or is it restricted to English and/or single-byte character set languages? Win95 Japanese is my primary concern.... -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 6 20:20:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27941 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 03:15:47 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA19474 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 03:15:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!cs.umd.edu!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!eff!blanket.mitre.org!linus.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!mwunix!jcmorris From: jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: KERMIT 95: Where to buy? Date: 6 Dec 1995 20:20:48 GMT Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 31 Message-Id: <4a4tv0$aiu@reuters2.mitre.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: mwunix.mitre.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A question for the world (or anyone on the K95 team): what retail outlets are supposed to be carrying the new Kermit for Windows? The announcement of its release posted to the newsgroup indicated that the new package ("payware" if you will) would be sold through normal software distribution channels; this is also indicated by the KERMIT web page at www.columbia.edu . It's now been a couple of months since it was released, and today I was chasing some other stuff in the local outlets and started asking around. The results: - CompUSA: asked two clerks and the store manager: none of them would admit to even knowing what "KERMIT" was, much less having a copy of the new kit. - Egghead: recognized the name "Kermit" and even knew that it came from Columbia ... but Egghead carries only the book with the MS-KERMIT disk. Calling 1-800-EGGHEAD got the same response - Computer City: long hold with unusually lousy Christmas music; just before I was ready to hang up they finally answered, but kept trying to believe that I was looking for BBS software. No Kermit titles. - PC Connection: never heard of KERMIT, don't carry it. The web page suggests that Egghead and CompUSA (misspelled, btw) would be the first to have the kit. Suggestions? Joe Morris / MITRE From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 10:10:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09529 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 06:09:55 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA23417 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 06:09:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!news.uregina.ca!meena.cc.uregina.ca!vogt12 From: vogt12@meena.cc.uregina.ca Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CKermit 5A(186) BETA-8, 7 NOV 92: a question about... Date: 7 DEC 95 10:10:36 GMT Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER Lines: 12 Message-Id: <7DEC95.10103608@meena.cc.uregina.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: meena.cc.uregina.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The VAX/VMS is running this version 5A(186) of C-Kermit. I want to use it to download a file to my micro. I am at the MS-Kermit prompt of my PC and type the commands: set receive packet 2000 set send packet 2000 set set window 3 set block 2 set file type binary I am now ready to receive or get the file from the host. But first, do I have to go back to the host and issue any of the same "set" commands just shown to it? Or is it sufficient that my PC know about these settings for them to work? (It goes without saying that the extra "set" window is a typo!) Thanx, Warren From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 6 09:20:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24810 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:06:38 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA11153 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:06:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Local printing of Web-browser links. Here's how: Message-Id: <1995Dec6.152006.68951@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Dec 95 15:20:06 MDT References: <1746BF3E7.VOGTPATR@MAX.CC.Uregina.CA> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1746BF3E7.VOGTPATR@MAX.CC.Uregina.CA>, VOGTPATR@MAX.CC.Uregina.CA (Warren Vogt) writes: > My experiment with using VT200 codes to send a Web-browser's selected document > to the PC's printer instead of to the screen has yielded the following results, > including a solution of how to force VMS to send those codes when the applica- > tion isn't set up to. To make a long story short, the host must send printer control codes to the terminal emulator to engage printing. Given the lack of that ability in your VMS based web browser suggests that you cause it to print to a file on the VAX/Alpha, and then later use Kermits to send those files to local PC destination PRN (or LPTx). Note that a formal Kermit protocol file transfer is vastly superior to the approach of "transparent printing" (aka, send and hope it gets there without overruns/losses/whatnot). SET DESTINATION PRN is the command to direct files to the local printer rather than to disk. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 6 09:13:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24809 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:06:38 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA11151 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:06:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using MS-Kermit 3.14 with PPP under WIN 3/95 Possible? Message-Id: <1995Dec6.151306.68948@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Dec 95 15:13:06 MDT References: <4a3ldp$aad@blues.epas.utoronto.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 51 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a3ldp$aad@blues.epas.utoronto.ca>, kan@blues.epas.utoronto.ca (Raymond Kan) writes: > Hi, > > I connect to my mainframe using PPP, and I am not happy with > the Telnet client that comes with Windows 95 and would like to use > Kermit instead (for keyboard mapping and downloading). However, I > have not been able to this. > > I had made appropriate changes in mscustom.ini and typing > check TCP gives response of TCP/IP is available. However after typing > > set port tcp/ip hostname > connect > > and I get an error message of > > Cannot attacj to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver. > Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting. > ?Cannot start the connection. > > and my PPP connection went dead as well. > > I am wondering what I need to do to get MS-Kermit 3.14 to work > as my Telnet client. I read the FAQ but that was no discussion of PPP. > Some discussion on SLIP seems to suggest that MS-Kermit is not > supposed to work easily to get TCP/IP under Windows environment. But > Kermit is my favorite communication program, so any suggestions as to > how I can get it to work would be greatly appreciated. BTW, OS/2 > Kermit works flawlessly under PPP so I think it should also be > possible for MS-Kermit to work under PPP. -------------- The message above is accurate: no Ethernet Packet Driver nor an ODI driver. It could have added a SLIP Packet Driver too. PPP is a mess, both within the PPP modules on the market and most importantly in there being no common API (top layer where programs such as Kermit can access them). Kermit supports PPP drivers from Novell and Telebit. That's all I have that work. MERIT's driver has never worked here. MS-DOS Kermit has no common ground with Microsoft's "32-bit" networking material so please save yourself some trouble by not combining them. MSK works fine with Novell's 16-bit ODI material. Kermit-95 (commercial) works with Microsoft's TCP/IP stack. To use MSK with Win95, and my site does so on a large scale, then use Novell's VLM style ODI material for lan access, or use a SLIP driver or use one of the two PPP drivers noted above. Please keep in mind that only one TCP/IP stack can access a comms channel, so duplicate stacks mean you are out of luck. Finally, your last sentence needs to take into account that those situations involve using that vendor's native TCP/IP stack. MSK is not a Windows program (else you would not be able to use it at DOS level) and thus it does not couple to the Windows-only MS TCP/IP stack. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 6 03:51:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:27:58 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA11838 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:27:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Receive File Protection with Server Date: 6 Dec 1995 03:51:17 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 19 Message-Id: <4a33vl$2cu@dub-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: dd20-022.compuserve.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; U; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We are currently using Kermit's Server to receive files from a remote site. We also have another application running while Kermit is active which waits until the kermit file is received to process the new data. This application determines when kermit is down with receiving the file by trying to open the file with OF_SHARE_EXCLUSIVE. This data processing application runs fine on two of our three PCs but on the third PC the data processing application can open the file and even delete the file while kermit is still receiving the file. Is it possible to tell kermit that the file being received can not be accessed by any other application? Note, MS Word does this when editing a file contary to Windows NotePad which allows others to access and delete a file while being edited. Thanks in advance, Rich GOdlewsky Sparta Systems, Inc. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 13:41:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27267 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:41:57 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA12267 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:41:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using MS-Kermit 3.14 with PPP under WIN 3/95 Possible? Date: 7 Dec 1995 13:41:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <4a6quu$bv9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4a3ldp$aad@blues.epas.utoronto.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a3ldp$aad@blues.epas.utoronto.ca>, Raymond Kan wrote: : : I connect to my mainframe using PPP, and I am not happy with : the Telnet client that comes with Windows 95 and would like to use : Kermit instead (for keyboard mapping and downloading). However, I : have not been able to this. : : I had made appropriate changes in mscustom.ini and typing : check TCP gives response of TCP/IP is available. However after typing : : set port tcp/ip hostname : connect : : and I get an error message of : : Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver. : .... : You can't use MS-DOS Kermit over Winsock. Kermit 95 is the Kermit software for Windows 95 and Windows NT, especially if you need to use it as a Telnet client. Further information at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 13:49:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27852 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:50:02 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA12515 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:49:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for win95 - single byte only? Date: 7 Dec 1995 13:49:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <4a6re0$c6v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4a56u6$5pa@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a56u6$5pa@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, Earl H. Kinmonth wrote: >Does kermit for Win95 support all language versions of Win95 or >is it restricted to English and/or single-byte character set >languages? > >Win95 Japanese is my primary concern.... > Kermit 95 is presently an English-only application -- as far as the user interface goes. But... . It supports conversion of a wide variety of character sets, including Japanese, as part of the text-mode file-transfer process. . It supports terminal emulation in a wide variety of single-byte character sets. There is, at present, no specific provision for CJK character sets in terminal emulation, but that's on the list of future enhancements. Note, however, that if your PC has a Japanese code page (Shift JIS) loaded and usable in console windows, Kermit 95 might just work with it anyway -- like MS-DOS Kermit works with the GB and Big5 Chinese character sets, even though it contains no specific code for doing so -- if you "set term byte 8" and "set term character-set transparent". Of course, in this case, you don't get translation during terminal emulation, but if the remote computer or service uses Shift-JIS, then you have legible Japanese text on your screen. We don't have access to any Japanese Windows 95 systems, so we can't do more than speculate. So my best advice would be for somebody that does to try it and report back. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 13:52:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28053 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:52:45 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA12565 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:52:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit 5A(186) BETA-8, 7 NOV 92: a question about... Date: 7 Dec 1995 13:52:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <4a6rj8$c8j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <7DEC95.10103608@meena.cc.uregina.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <7DEC95.10103608@meena.cc.uregina.ca>, wrote: >The VAX/VMS is running this version 5A(186) of C-Kermit. I want to use it to >download a file to my micro. I am at the MS-Kermit prompt of my PC and type >the commands: >... > Please use a real release of C-Kermit, not a three-year old prerelease. Information about current releases of all Kermit software programs is available at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ If, after installing the current version and reading the documentation, you still have problems, let us know. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 14:05:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 09:05:49 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA12955 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 09:05:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KERMIT 95: Where to buy? Date: 7 Dec 1995 14:05:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-Id: <4a6sbm$cko@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4a4tv0$aiu@reuters2.mitre.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a4tv0$aiu@reuters2.mitre.org>, Joe Morris wrote: : A question for the world (or anyone on the K95 team): what retail : outlets are supposed to be carrying the new Kermit for Windows? : : The announcement of its release posted to the newsgroup indicated : that the new package ("payware" if you will) would be sold through : normal software distribution channels; this is also indicated by the : KERMIT web page at www.columbia.edu . It's now been a couple : of months since it was released, and today I was chasing some other : stuff in the local outlets and started asking around. The results: : : - CompUSA: asked two clerks and the store manager: none of them would : admit to even knowing what "KERMIT" was, much less having a copy : of the new kit. : : - Egghead: recognized the name "Kermit" and even knew that it came : from Columbia ... but Egghead carries only the book with the : MS-KERMIT disk. Calling 1-800-EGGHEAD got the same response : : - Computer City: long hold with unusually lousy Christmas music; just : before I was ready to hang up they finally answered, but kept : trying to believe that I was looking for BBS software. No Kermit : titles. : : - PC Connection: never heard of KERMIT, don't carry it. : : The web page suggests that Egghead and CompUSA (misspelled, btw) would : be the first to have the kit. : : Suggestions? : If a store does not have Kermit 95 in stock and claims never to have heard of it, you (the customer) can ask them (the store) to order it from the distributor: Micro Central Inc. PO Box 1009 8998 Route 18 North Old Bridge NJ 08857 Fax: +1 (908) 360-0303 Voice: +1 (908) 360-0300 Note: only stores can order from Micro Central. Stores AND customers can also order it from direct from the publisher: Manning Publications 3 Lewis Street Greenwich CT 06830 USA Fax: +1 (203) 661 9018 Voice: +1 (203) 629 2078 Email: 73150.1431@Compuserve.com Web: http://www.BrowseBooks.Com/BBC/kermit/Kermit.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 6 07:58:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 10:16:11 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA15727 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 10:16:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Server download file status Message-Id: <1995Dec6.135849.68926@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Dec 95 13:58:49 MDT References: <4a4b17$76n$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a4b17$76n$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> writes: > Under Windows environment, we are using Kermit's Server to > receive files from a remote site. Concurrently with executing the > Kermit server (using a *.pif), another (Windows) application is > running and is looking to process these downloaded files as soon > as each file is done downloading. > while Kermit is active which waits until the kermit file is > received to process the new data. This application determines > when kermit is done with receiving the file by trying to open the > file using exclusive mode, i.e., deny write and read access to > other applications. > > This data processing application runs fine on two of our three > PCs but on the third PC the data processing application can open > the file and even > delete the file while kermit is still receiving the file. > > Is it possible to tell kermit that the file being received can > not be > accessed by any other application? Note, MS Word does this when > editing > a file contary to Windows NotePad which allows others to access > and > delete a file while being edited. ----------- You may recall that MS Word and friends require loading the DOS SHARE program (or Windows equivalent). MS-DOS Kermit opens files in the most permissive mode, write and do not deny reading, since that is the most flexible. Your applications environment is dependent on a file locking senario, and hence on SHARE etc, and clearly Kermit isn't going to provide that. I would suggest your data apps depend on something else rather than a brute force file open, but off-hand I don't have a clever idea to offer. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 03:29:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06453 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 10:16:12 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA15723 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 10:16:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech2!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.uwa.edu.au!yarrow.wt.com.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!not-for-mail From: cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 problem Date: 7 Dec 1995 11:29:43 +0800 Organization: Telstra Lines: 16 Message-Id: <4a5n37$255@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm running K95 (1.1.1) on a DX2/66 with a direct connection to a serial network on com2. Every so often the K95 vt100 terminal session will just stop accepting keyboard input. If I hit alt-x it will fall back to the kermit prompt (sometimes after a pause of up to 20 seconds) where I can enter 'c' and carry on. There dosn't seem to be any pattern to it although it generally happens in waves. That is it will happen a dozen times in quick succession and then go away for a while. I can leave the terminal open for several hours and it will be working fine when I return though. This is starting to get a bit annoying. Anyone else experienced this? -- Clive Mitchell Oz Air Warrior cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au PID 5029 "Mad Dog" From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 05:50:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06454 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 10:16:12 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA15732 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 10:16:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.uwa.edu.au!yarrow.wt.com.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!not-for-mail From: cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 problem Date: 7 Dec 1995 13:50:09 +0800 Organization: Telstra Lines: 16 Message-Id: <4a5vah$4f0@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> References: <4a5n37$255@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Clive Mitchell (cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au) wrote: : I'm running K95 (1.1.1) on a DX2/66 with a direct connection to a : serial network on com2. Every so often the K95 vt100 terminal : session will just stop accepting keyboard input. If I hit alt-x : it will fall back to the kermit prompt (sometimes after a pause : of up to 20 seconds) where I can enter 'c' and carry on. Just to add some more, the delay between hitting alt-x and actually getting the kermit prompt back seems to be proportional to how many characters I hit before I notice it's no longer sending them. -- Clive Mitchell Oz Air Warrior cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au PID 5029 "Mad Dog" From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 18:44:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:44:37 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA23263 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:44:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 problem Date: 7 Dec 1995 18:44:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <4a7cme$mmt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4a5n37$255@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a5n37$255@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au>, Clive Mitchell wrote: : I'm running K95 (1.1.1) on a DX2/66 with a direct connection to a : serial network on com2. Every so often the K95 vt100 terminal : session will just stop accepting keyboard input. If I hit alt-x : it will fall back to the kermit prompt (sometimes after a pause : of up to 20 seconds) where I can enter 'c' and carry on. There : dosn't seem to be any pattern to it although it generally happens : in waves. That is it will happen a dozen times in quick succession : and then go away for a while. I can leave the terminal open for : several hours and it will be working fine when I return though. : This is starting to get a bit annoying. Anyone else experienced : this? : It sounds like a flow control deadlock. What kind of flow control are you using? Do you have a null-modem cable with RTS and CTS crossed over? Has Kermit 95 been told to SET FLOW RTS/CTS? What about the thing on the other end of the cable? When you get into this situation, does Kermit 95's status line say TRANSMISSION BLOCKED? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 5 23:21:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12482 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 20:34:14 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA08864 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 20:34:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!van-bc!cyberspam!van-bc From: majordomo@singnet.com.sg Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cancel: * Free Newsletter on Passion & Romance * Date: 5 Dec 1995 23:21:45 GMT Organization: PassionFRUIT Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: ts900-2114.singnet.com.sg X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Control: cancel <4a2k69$f34@lantana.singnet.com.sg> Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam killing From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 05:02:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18606 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Dec 1995 21:56:13 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA11520 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 21:56:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.uwa.edu.au!info.curtin.edu.au!nevyn.realize.com.au!bruce From: bruce@nevyn.realize.com.au (Bruce Cook) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKermit 3.14 & Net/windoze setup Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 05:02:18 GMT Organization: AusSTEP Consultants Lines: 40 Sender: bruce@nevyn.realize.com.au Message-Id: Reply-To: zcookbruc@curtin.edu.au Nntp-Posting-Host: ra12.curtin.edu.au X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a FAQ that deals with MSkermit3.14 networks, and windoze ?. My setup is NDIS ------------------ DIS_PKT9 MSTCP32 WINPKT ------------------ Windoze 3.11 I want to be able to run kermit telnet in a Windoze shell but whenever I connect I get: connection refused by host on the host I get: Dec 7 00:32:44 nevyn in.telnetd[2854]: error: can't get client address: Connection reset by peer As kermit is happy to run without windoze, it leads me to beleive that the M$ TCP stack is interfering. Anyone solved this ? -- .BRU Bruce Cook 84 kintail Rd, Applecross AUSstep Consultants 6153, W.A. Australia 3 Ord St West Perth, EMail:zcookbruc@curtin.edu.au 6005 W.A. Australia -- .BRU Bruce Cook 84 kintail Rd, Applecross AUSstep Consultants From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 10:03:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 00:48:02 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA17264 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 00:48:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!bull.hkstar.net!news From: WanJohn@hkstar.com (J. Wan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to run multiple session in Windows DOS box with packet driver? Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 10:03:15 GMT Organization: Hong Kong Star Internet Limited Lines: 77 Message-Id: <4a6dm1$msm@bull.hkstar.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: star92.hkstar.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using Kermit on ODI modules with packet driver. I load the network drivers as following: =================================================================== [STARTNET.BAT] @ECHO OFF C: CD \NWCLIENT SET NWLANGUAGE=ENGLISH C:\WINDOWS\net start LH LSL LH NE2000.COM LH C:\WINDOWS\odihlp.exe LH IPXODI LH ODIPKT.COM 1 96 LH WINPKT 0X60 LH VLM CD \ ================================================================== =================================================================== [NET.CFG]:- Link Support Max Boards 4 Max Stacks 8 Buffers 4 1514 Link Driver NE2000 Frame Ethernet_802.3 Frame Ethernet_II Frame Ethernet_802.2 Frame Ethernet_SNAP INT 2 PORT 320 protocol IPX 0 Ethernet_802.3 protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II ;MEM D0000 Protocol IPX 0 Ethernet_802.3 NetWare DOS Requester FIRST NETWORK DRIVE = F USE DEFAULTS = OFF VLM = CONN.VLM VLM = IPXNCP.VLM VLM = TRAN.VLM VLM = SECURITY.VLM ; VLM = NDS.VLM VLM = BIND.VLM VLM = NWP.VLM VLM = FIO.VLM VLM = GENERAL.VLM VLM = REDIR.VLM VLM = PRINT.VLM VLM = NETX.VLM Message Timeout= 90 Average Name Length= 6 Cache Buffer Size= 1500 Show Dots= ON ====================================================== Running Kermit in both DOS and Windows's DOS box is okay. But can I open 2 Windows's DOS prompt boxes and run 2 Kermit's sessions in the same time? Please help. Thanks, John Wan - John Wan (Chun) E-mail: wanjohn@hkstar.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 22:09:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20193 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 05:00:33 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA21465 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 05:00:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!ddi2.digital.net!pm3_5 From: rripley@digital.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hardware flow control Date: 7 Dec 1995 22:09:49 GMT Organization: FLORIDA ONLINE, Florida's Premier Internet Provider Lines: 13 Message-Id: <4a7ond$cf9@ddi2.digital.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: @pm3_5.digital.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using C-Kermit on a Silicon Graphics Indigo2. Does anyone know how to get hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) turned on? Kermit won't let me set it and the man page just says that RTS/CTS can be selected if the computer and its operating system support it (and mine does). But there is no SET FLOW RTS/CTS option in my Kermit. I have to get this working ASAP and don't have time to order the official documentation, but if anyone has the docs on C-Kermit, I believe the answer is in chapter 8 if you could look it up for me. Much thanks. ------- Rob Ripley Veda, Inc. rripley@digital.net From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 03:34:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06486 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 07:47:07 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA10867 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 07:47:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newsfeed.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Write-file produces continuous record Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 03:34:55 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <30c7b092.18351316@128.230.1.4> References: Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial4-040.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu KeithM wrote: >When the file is displayed on the screen, all the lines are run together. >Does anyone know how to write to a DOS file so that each WRITE FILE >produces a separate line? You need tell Kermit to put CR-LF (\13\10) where you want them, as in: write file stuff\13\10 This necessity is actually a feature, since it allows writing a single line in several parts, as in: write file people: (later) write file Tom write file Dick write file Harry\13\10 - Vince ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 15:07:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20206 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:07:28 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA16323 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:07:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 & Net/windoze setup Date: 8 Dec 1995 15:07:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <4a9kb9$fu0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Bruce Cook wrote: >Is there a FAQ that deals with MSkermit3.14 networks, and >windoze ?. > Look on your diskette. Directory NETWORKS, file SETUP.DOC. >As kermit is happy to run without windoze, it leads me to >beleive that the M$ TCP stack is interfering. > If you have the MS TCP stack loaded, you have to unload it before you can use Kermit's built-in TCP/IP. The rule is: only one TCP/IP stack can be active per network board. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 15:10:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:10:38 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA16387 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:10:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to run multiple session in Windows DOS box with packet driver? Date: 8 Dec 1995 15:10:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <4a9kh8$fvo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4a6dm1$msm@bull.hkstar.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a6dm1$msm@bull.hkstar.net>, J. Wan wrote: : I am using Kermit on ODI modules with packet driver. I load the : network drivers as following: : ... : Running Kermit in both DOS and Windows's DOS box is okay. But can I : open 2 Windows's DOS prompt boxes and run 2 Kermit's sessions in the : same time? : No -- only one TCP/IP stack can be active at a time on a particular network board. But you can have up to six simultaneous sessions going within one window and switch among them with Alt-n. See: (24) MULTIPLE TCP/IP SESSIONS -- KERMIT'S TCP/IP SESSION MANAGER in your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 KERMIT.UPD file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 15:23:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:23:54 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA17140 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:23:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hardware flow control Date: 8 Dec 1995 15:23:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <4a9la6$gnh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4a7ond$cf9@ddi2.digital.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a7ond$cf9@ddi2.digital.net>, wrote: : I'm using C-Kermit on a Silicon Graphics Indigo2. Does anyone know how to : get hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) turned on? Kermit won't let me set it : and the man page just says that RTS/CTS can be selected if the computer and : its operating system support it (and mine does). But there is no SET FLOW : RTS/CTS option in my Kermit. I have to get this working ASAP and don't have : time to order the official documentation, but if anyone has the docs on : C-Kermit, I believe the answer is in chapter 8 if you could look it up for : me. Much thanks. : What version of IRIX do you have? What version of Kermit? The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190). In any case, it appears that the IRIX versions do not presently have hardware flow control compiled in. If you want to try adding it, you need to be able to recompile the program from source code. Begin by reading the section "Hardware Flow Control" in the UNIX C-Kermit Installation Instructions file (ckuins.doc). I don't seem to have access to any SGI systems any more so I can't do this myself. By the way, according to the aforementioned file, IRIX does not provide an API for turning RTS/CTS on and off, so the way to get it is by using a special driver -- that is, a special serial device name. Unfortunately, I don't know what the special device name would be. Send email directly to me with the results. I'll be glad to help, and once we get it working, we'll incorporate it into the next release and/or release notes. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 01:09:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25191 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:57:24 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA18419 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:56:47 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.texas.net!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!umcc.umich.edu!edcen!dexter!jsr From: jsr@dexter.mi.org (Jay S. Rouman) Subject: Re: KERMIT 95: Where to buy? Message-Id: Organization: Private System References: <4a4tv0$aiu@reuters2.mitre.org> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 01:09:15 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a4tv0$aiu@reuters2.mitre.org>, Joe Morris wrote: > - Computer City: long hold with unusually lousy Christmas music; just > [...] >Suggestions? Yes. Obviously Computer City needs to get better Christmas music. -- Jay Rouman (jsr@dexter.mi.org jsr@umcc.umich.edu NIC Handle: JSR) System Administrator, Education Central (jsr@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu) From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 16:46:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 13:09:29 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA23849 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 13:09:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receive File Protection with Server Date: 8 Dec 1995 11:46:12 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 18 Message-Id: <4a9q4k$460@panix.com> References: <4a33vl$2cu@dub-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a33vl$2cu@dub-news-svc-2.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com> wrote: >Is it possible to tell kermit that the file being received can not be >accessed by any other application? Note, MS Word does this when editing >a file contary to Windows NotePad which allows others to access and >delete a file while being edited. The most reliable way of doing this is to change the client's operation from: put filename to: put filename tempfile remote kermit rename tempfile filename marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 12:22:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 15:35:21 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA29944 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 15:35:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.jsums.edu!despina.neptune.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!news.maz.net!news.vistec.com!news From: sven.hennig@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (Sven Hennig) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ---Please Read This--- Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 12:22:26 GMT Organization: Vistec GmbH Lines: 77 Message-Id: <4a9av9$i6m@luna.vistec.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: serial18.wiesbaden.netsurf.de X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I just wanted to give you the chance to earn some money in a very easy way.A friend of mine turned me on a company called Intercall Marketing, which offers a nice, uncomplicated way to get some more cash, just by callingthem and advertising a bit. The number of the company is 011-24-831-831 (if you're calling from the USA, in other countries it's (i think) ++248-313131). The call has a fee of $1.50, so I think (hope) this isn't to expensive for the possibility to get some more money. Now I'll try to explain how it works: After calling the number a recording gives you deatiled informationon what to to next. After a brief description you will be asked to enter a six digit account number of the person that gave you this number, and this should be my account number. It is -3 8 0 4 9 9- (this one is mine) and then you can start to earn big money for nearly doing nothing. To explain a little how it works, when you type in my account number, the computer will give you you're own account number and a personal PIN Number for your use only. Then it will record name and address for future accounting needs, i.e. payments. Here is where the money comes from: For every call made to this number, intercall receives $1.50. 50 Cents go to the account number you first typed in. But of course, now as you've got you're own account, you'll want people to call and type in your account number right away ! And I think, with the help of all the networking systems around, it won't be a problem to reach many people. Up to now its nothing special, BUT IT GETS EVEN BETTER. You not only make 50 cents from the first people who call using your number but also when they get people to call using their number you get another 25 Cents from them, plus another 25 cents from the people they get to call. So that means you get paid 3 Levels deep, which could amount to some serious $$$. An example: If you get 100 people to call (by advertising in the net, or in the local news papers), then you get 50$. If these people, let's say get another 50 people to call, it's already $1,250. But the third Level is the most important one(so you should perhaps hurry a bit), because if these people get 25 people each, that means that you'll get exactly $31,250 (just imagine, if every Level would get 100 people, you would get $ 250.000). Some good cash for nearly doing nothing, isn't it ? If you're wondering why Intercall does this, realize that they get 50 Cents for every call. 1st Level=$0.50, 2nd Level=$0.25, 3rd Level=$0.25 => $1.00. Remember that they'll get $1.50 for each call, so that leaves 50 cents per call. I normally dont try this things out. But it's (IMHO) not possible to loose much money, and just paying $1.50 for calling, and then perhaps getting much more cash, it's not too bad ? But now I stop trying to convince you. You have to decide if this possibility of earning cash is worth $1.50. Thank you very much for reading, i hope it didn'T bother you. C ya Sven H. ----------------Sven Hennig---------------- ------------Zum Kohlwaldfeld 2a------------ -------------D-65817 Eppstein------------- ------------Tel. ++49-6198-9218------------ ------------Data ++49-6198-9208------------ -E-Mail: sven.hennig@wiesbaden.netsurf.de- From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 22:56:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08284 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 17:57:03 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA05729 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 17:56:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hardware flow control Date: 8 Dec 1995 22:56:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <4aafrm$5ir@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4a7ond$cf9@ddi2.digital.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a7ond$cf9@ddi2.digital.net>, wrote: : I'm using C-Kermit on a Silicon Graphics Indigo2. Does anyone know how : to get hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) turned on? Kermit won't let me : set it and the man page just says that RTS/CTS can be selected if the : computer and its operating system support it (and mine does). But there : is no SET FLOW RTS/CTS option in my Kermit. : I verified the following: At least as of IRIX 5.2, there is no API for RTS/CTS, so you can't SET FLOW RTS/CTS in the IRIX version of Kermit (maybe in IRIX 6.0 the situation is different, but I have no way of knowing). Instead, tell C-Kermit to "set line /dev/ttyf00" or whatever the port number is. The "f" signifies a device driver that uses RTS/CTS flow control. But then, according to "man serial", you still need serial port hardware that can support this. Evidently, SGI computers have all sorts of bizarre Macintosh-like serial ports that don't support the full range of EIA RS-232 (V.24) signals needed for asynchronous modem communication. So if the port doesn't have RTS and CTS wires, then the hardware flow control driver isn't going to have much to work with... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 11:34:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 18:42:29 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA07146 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 18:42:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 & Net/windoze setup Message-Id: <1995Dec7.173422.69080@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Dec 95 17:34:22 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , bruce@nevyn.realize.com.au (Bruce Cook) writes: > Is there a FAQ that deals with MSkermit3.14 networks, and > windoze ?. > > My setup is > > NDIS > ------------------ > DIS_PKT9 MSTCP32 > WINPKT > ------------------ > Windoze 3.11 > > I want to be able to run kermit telnet in a Windoze shell > but whenever I connect I get: > > connection refused by host > > on the host I get: > > Dec 7 00:32:44 nevyn in.telnetd[2854]: > error: can't get client address: Connection reset by peer > > As kermit is happy to run without windoze, it leads me to > beleive that the M$ TCP stack is interfering. ---------- If you review the documentation in the MSK release we say clearly that one may not run two or more protocol stacks of the same kind over the same board at the same time. I think that resolves the difficulty. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 9 01:54:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:50:37 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA11426 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:50:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!demon!wbgl From: andy@wbgl.demon.co.uk (Andrew Porter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ---Please Read This--- Date: Sat, 09 Dec 95 01:54:41 GMT Organization: The Warwick Bepos Group Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-Id: <818455022.22614@wbgl.demon.co.uk> References: <4a9av9$i6m@luna.vistec.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: wbgl.demon.co.uk X-Nntp-Posting-Host: wbgl.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu sven.hennig@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (Sven Hennig) wrote: >A load of rubbish completely unrelated to anything sensible I normally wouldn't even entertain following this up but I have just got my news poster working. How many varieties of chain letters is technology going to inflict on us ? Only idiots such as sven will take this seriously. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 19:13:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01842 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Dec 1995 23:11:39 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA16047 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 23:11:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!swidir.switch.ch!in2p3.fr!oleane!calvacom!newsmaster From: do11@calvacom.fr (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit and FASTCOM8 card Date: 7 Dec 1995 19:13:14 GMT Organization: CalvaNet. French IP Provider. Lines: 36 Message-Id: <4a7eca$3i9@midgard.calvacom.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp5-10.calvacom.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello from France. I apologize for my wrong English. I try to use, on a PC with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, a com card with 8 16550 ports. The card is nammed FASTCOM8. this card is configured with address 280 and IRQ 5 I use : set com3 \x280 5 set port 3 set speed 38400 and so on The lines are connected to host VME using Motorola Versados. When I use standard PC COM1 or COM2 with the same mskermit.ini file but set port 1 or set port 2 in place of set com3 \x280 5 set port 3, all things works fine. When I want to use the Fastcom8 card, things seem to works well, but I have no echo on PC screen in all case : connect mode or with set input echo on but the PC login on the host is correct. May I have any answer about this problem because the only difference is : COM1 or COM2 FASTCOM8 set port 1 in place of set com3 \x280 5 or set port 2 set port 3 Is there any problem with IRQ I choose or DMA channel or anything else in the setup of the PC. I connect a RS232 spy box on the line and there is activity on the Receive line but nothing on the PC screen Thank you for your attention. -+- Dominique -+- From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 23:47:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Dec 1995 01:56:12 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA20579 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 01:56:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.jsums.edu!despina.neptune.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.ultranet.com!bigboote.WPI.EDU!lynx.WPI.EDU!zed From: zed@lynx.WPI.EDU (Jesse D Zbikowski) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] MS-Kermit not displaying characters from remote host Date: 8 Dec 1995 23:47:03 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 39 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <4aaipn$8t1@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: lynx.wpi.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I don't think this is the same as the "I-can-talk-but-I-can't-listen" syndrome described in KERMIT.BWR; I would really appreciate it if someone could help me figure out my problem. When I connect to a modem server with MS-Kermit, I don't see any of the characters being sent to me. The cursor moves appropriately, the way it would if the login prompt were being displayed; I just don't see it. In fact, I can log in normally and run commands, just without seeing the output. If I do an "ls", for example, the cursor moves around and the screen scrolls up, but that's it. I think Kermit is getting the characters from the modem, it's just not showing them. I have the modem on COM2 IRQ3, which Kermit detects just fine (it's at address \x2f8). I don't have any TSRs or other programs loaded. The only other peripheral on the machine is a built-in serial port, COM1 at IRQ 4. I tried the other IRQs (2 and 5) because the KERMIT.BWR file said that this was normally caused by Kermit not looking at the right IRQ; this did not help, though. The computer is an AT&T 8086 and the modem is a Hayes-compatible 14.4k internal fax-modem. I used the same modem with Kermit on an 8088 and it worked great; only difference was that it was on COM1. I can't use COM1 on this machine. Do you think that Kermit is getting the characters from the modem? If so, I don't know where the problem could be; with termianal emulation, maybe. I have a copy of the MS-Kermit user's guide, but there doesn't seem to be that much "trouble-shooting" stuff; the KERMIT.BWR was helpful, but I'm basically stuck now. Any advice would be greatly appreciated; thanks much in advance. PS -- hats off to the Kermit people for making this software available; it's always worked really well for me. -- Jesse Zbikowski Worcester Polytechnic Institute zed@hilbert.wpi.edu Computer Science, '97 GCS C++(---) UUO+++ P+++>++++ E+++ PGP+ G-- PS+++ PE-- tv--- D--- h---(++) r+++ From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 20:19:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Dec 1995 04:52:22 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA23438 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 04:52:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!mayonews.mayo.edu!newsdist.tc.umn.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.sol.net!uniserve!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!hi961 From: hi961@cleveland.freenet.edu (Val Hite) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Help with Amiga Date: 8 Dec 1995 20:19:56 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 10 Message-Id: <4aa6lc$s2i@madeline.INS.CWRU.Edu> Reply-To: hi961@cleveland.freenet.edu (Val Hite) Nntp-Posting-Host: kanga.ins.cwru.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a 28.8K modem. I get 200 CPS with Kermit from my provider in Akron Ohio. I have an Amiga. I use Terminus. Can someone tell me how to INIT Kermit to get a better CPS rate. Using Zmodem I get 2500 CPS on downloads but the protocols are bugged for uploading and I need to use Kermit to upload. I have posted different places and NO ONE wants to help. So I thought I would try here. I dont read this group and have to Telnet to get it. If you can help send email to aa126@freenet.akron.oh.us. I would be really appreciative of any help. Thanks. -- From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 23:18:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22870 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Dec 1995 06:41:15 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA01742 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 06:41:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 & Net/windoze setup Date: 8 Dec 1995 23:18:05 GMT Lines: 34 Message-Id: <4aah3d$kji@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <1995Dec7.173422.69080@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1995Dec7.173422.69080@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: # If you review the documentation in the MSK release we # say clearly that one may not run two or more protocol stacks # of the same kind over the same board at the same time. I think # that resolves the difficulty. Those docs also mention pktmux -- a packet driver substitute that allows exactly what you're talking about -- although you don't "recommend or support" it. For the record, I've been using pktmux for a couple of months now, with various programs running through winsock plus MSKermit, CUTCP FTP, and a specialized DOS program to access an educational database all on their own TCP stacks. I haven't had any problems attributable to this setup yet. I believe the secret of success with using multiple stacks over pktmux is assigning each stack its own interrupt address, so that no program has to search for the packet driver. Every program I've tried so far has allowed this except for DOSLynx, which doesn't have much to recommend it in any case. But I allow DOSLynx to have interrupt 60, and just assign higher numbers to all the other programs, including Trumpet Winsock. Trumpet, by the way, will only work with pktmux version 1.2h, which Simtel has. Some sites, including CICA, carry 1.2c, which will not work. In any case, this setup has allowed me to telnet with Kermit, a much more sophisticated program than any Windows program I've found, and still have FTP and Netscape available. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 7 05:00:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Dec 1995 07:53:43 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA13272 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 07:53:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!raffles.technet.sg!mercury.starnet.gov.sg!mercury!suziecar From: suziecar@starnet.gov.sg (Suzie Caroline) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Unable to download files from server. Date: 7 Dec 1995 05:00:31 GMT Lines: 1 Message-Id: <4a5sdf$akt@mercury.starnet.gov.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mercury.starnet.gov.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 9 15:03:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Dec 1995 10:04:09 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA17062 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 10:04:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] MS-Kermit not displaying characters from remote host Date: 9 Dec 1995 15:03:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <4ac8gu$gl0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4aaipn$8t1@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4aaipn$8t1@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, Jesse D Zbikowski wrote: : I don't think this is the same as the "I-can-talk-but-I-can't-listen" : syndrome described in KERMIT.BWR; I would really appreciate it if : someone could help me figure out my problem. : : When I connect to a modem server with MS-Kermit, I don't see any of the : characters being sent to me. The cursor moves appropriately, the way : it would if the login prompt were being displayed; I just don't see : it. In fact, I can log in normally and run commands, just without : seeing the output. If I do an "ls", for example, the cursor moves : around and the screen scrolls up, but that's it. : Let me take a wild guess -- your foreground color is the same as your background color? What kind of video adapter and monitor do you have? Try "set terminal color 0" and see if it makes the characters reappear. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 02:13:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Dec 1995 10:08:25 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA17255 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 10:08:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.jsums.edu!despina.neptune.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit and FASTCOM8 card Message-Id: <1995Dec8.081338.69127@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Dec 95 08:13:38 MDT References: <4a7eca$3i9@midgard.calvacom.fr> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a7eca$3i9@midgard.calvacom.fr>, do11@calvacom.fr (Dominique Ottello) writes: > Hello from France. > > I apologize for my wrong English. > > I try to use, on a PC with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, a com card with 8 16550 > ports. The card is nammed FASTCOM8. this card is configured with > address 280 and IRQ 5 > I use : set com3 \x280 5 > set port 3 > set speed 38400 > and so on > > The lines are connected to host VME using Motorola Versados. > When I use standard PC COM1 or COM2 with the same mskermit.ini file but > set port 1 or set port 2 in place of set com3 \x280 5 set port 3, > all things works fine. > > When I want to use the Fastcom8 card, things seem to works well, but I have > no echo on PC screen in all case : connect mode or with set input echo on > but the PC login on the host is correct. > > May I have any answer about this problem because the only difference is : > > COM1 or COM2 FASTCOM8 > set port 1 in place of set com3 \x280 5 > or set port 2 set port 3 > > Is there any problem with IRQ I choose or DMA channel or anything else > in the setup of the PC. > I connect a RS232 spy box on the line and there is activity on the Receive > line but nothing on the PC screen ----------- Your nice multiple port board does not look like a standard serial port on the PC side, thus MS-DOS Kermit can't access it. The board requires special software from the maker. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 10 05:30:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01851 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Dec 1995 11:43:08 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA20004 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 11:43:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!bull.hkstar.net!news From: wanjohn@hkstar.com (John Wan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to run multiple session in Windows DOS box with packet driver? Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 05:30:12 GMT Organization: Hong Kong Star Internet Limited Lines: 28 Message-Id: <4ac34t$l7l@bull.hkstar.net> References: <4a6dm1$msm@bull.hkstar.net> <4a9kh8$fvo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pnstar38.hkstar.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks Frank! John >fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <4a6dm1$msm@bull.hkstar.net>, J. Wan wrote: >: I am using Kermit on ODI modules with packet driver. I load the >: network drivers as following: >: ... >: Running Kermit in both DOS and Windows's DOS box is okay. But can I >: open 2 Windows's DOS prompt boxes and run 2 Kermit's sessions in the >: same time? >: >No -- only one TCP/IP stack can be active at a time on a particular network >board. But you can have up to six simultaneous sessions going within one >window and switch among them with Alt-n. See: >(24) MULTIPLE TCP/IP SESSIONS -- KERMIT'S TCP/IP SESSION MANAGER >in your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 KERMIT.UPD file. >- Frank ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ wanjohn@hkstar.com __________________ From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 19:33:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Dec 1995 12:32:24 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA21642 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 12:32:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!csn!csn!nntp-xfer-2.csn.net!silo.nrcs.usda.gov!ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov!feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov!ute From: ute@feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov (Ute R. Willmore) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hardware flow control Date: 8 Dec 1995 19:33:03 GMT Organization: USDA-SCS NHQ in Fort Collins Lines: 36 Message-Id: <4aa3tf$4tj@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov> References: <4a7ond$cf9@ddi2.digital.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: feinde2.ftc.nrcs.usda.gov X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu rripley@digital.net wrote: : I'm using C-Kermit on a Silicon Graphics Indigo2. Does anyone know how to get : hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) turned on? Kermit won't let me set it and the : man page just says that RTS/CTS can be selected if the computer and its : operating system support it (and mine does). But there is no SET FLOW RTS/CTS : option in my Kermit. I have to get this working ASAP and don't have time to : order the official documentation, but if anyone has the docs on C-Kermit, I : believe the answer is in chapter 8 if you could look it up for me. Much : thanks. First, I suggest you do a "show features" and see if Hardware flow control is available to you. From what you write I suspect it was not selected when your C-Kermit was compiled. If that is true, you need to recompile with the appropiate -D option set at compile time. See the install doc from Columbia University. Ute PS: It just took me a week to compile C-Kermit for AT&T Sys V r 3.2 with all the options I wanted, so I don;t think your solution will be quick. It may take a little time to fix all the problems. : ------- : Rob Ripley : Veda, Inc. : rripley@digital.net -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Life is a game that must be played. The rules of the games are known to us as the Laws of Nature. e-mail: uwillmore@ftc.nrcs.usda.gov From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 8 20:31:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19846 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Dec 1995 15:25:38 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA27624 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 15:25:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 8 Dec 1995 20:31:42 GMT From: sven.hennig@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (Sven Hennig) Message-Id: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <4a9av9$i6m@luna.vistec.com> Control: cancel <4a9av9$i6m@luna.vistec.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 9 11:05:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15058 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 10 Dec 1995 18:06:37 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA09336 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 10 Dec 1995 18:06:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!brutus.bright.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!cobia.gulf.net!valinor.mythical.com!valinor!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: sven.hennig@wiesbaden.netsurf.de (Sven Hennig) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cancel <4a9av9$i6m@luna.vistec.com> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 09 Dec 95 17:05:56 CST Control: cancel <4a9av9$i6m@luna.vistec.com> Organization: Vistec GmbH Nntp-Posting-Host: serial18.wiesbaden.netsurf.de Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cancelled with Waffle. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 9 03:48:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27497 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Dec 1995 09:17:42 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA07680 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 09:17:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech2!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!raffles.technet.sg!mercury.starnet.gov.sg!mercury!suziecar From: suziecar@starnet.gov.sg (Suzie Caroline) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Unable to download file from server to terminal Date: 9 Dec 1995 03:48:33 GMT Lines: 19 Message-Id: <4ab0uh$6k5@mercury.starnet.gov.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mercury.starnet.gov.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can any kind souls out here help me? For the past few days, I have been trying to download a file from the server to my terminal PC but it has always been unsuccessful. After getting into the kermit prompt, I typed: send [filename]. Then this happens on the screen.......... Return to your local kermit and give a receive command. Kermit ready to send...... XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX___DP (X stands for a gibberish non textual character) C-Kermit>many retries.OP From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 11 16:49:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11967 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Dec 1995 11:49:43 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA13089 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 11:49:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Unable to download file from server to terminal Date: 11 Dec 1995 16:49:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <4ahnev$cos@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ab0uh$6k5@mercury.starnet.gov.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ab0uh$6k5@mercury.starnet.gov.sg>, Suzie Caroline wrote: >Can any kind souls out here help me? >For the past few days, I have been trying to download a file from the >server to my terminal PC but it has always been unsuccessful. After >getting into the kermit prompt, I typed: send [filename]. Then this >happens on the screen.......... > >Return to your local kermit and give a receive command. > >Kermit ready to send...... > >XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX___DP >(X stands for a gibberish non textual character) > >C-Kermit>many retries.OP > Evidently you did not "Return to your local kermit and give a receive command." The method for doing this depends on what software you are running on your PC. If it is MS-DOS Kermit, you would type Alt-x and then at the MS-Kermit> prompt, you would type "receive" and then press the Enter key. Complete instructions are found in the manual: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 06:04:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:00:55 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA25269 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:00:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.uoregon.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ---Please Read This--- Date: 10 Dec 1995 22:04:31 -0800 Organization: Pacifier BBS, Vancouver, Wa. ((360) 693-0325) Lines: 24 Message-Id: <4aghlf$nk9@pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com To: ALL@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu And it came to pass that on 09 Dec 95 01:54, Andy@Wbgl.Demon.Co.Uk spake these words unto All:: An> How many varieties of chain letters is technology going An> to inflict on us ? I don't know. However, I think I must have seen at least five in the past two months. They are invariably extremely widely distributed and almost all carry a notice that they are really legal -- which is about as good as the paper they're not written on . I dare say that chain letters were not anticipated by the sci fi writers of years past who anticipated world-wide computer networks . I certainly didn't anticipate them and didn't even see them (with the notorious Dave Rhodes exception) in profusuion until this spring. Wonder what happened? Do you suppose it has to do with the ozon hole? MIke Freeman < K 7 U I J > Internet: mikef@pacifier.com --- * PCRR QWK 1.60 * From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 11 02:31:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14334 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:26:50 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA26442 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:26:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.uwa.edu.au!yarrow.wt.com.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!not-for-mail From: cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 problem Date: 11 Dec 1995 10:31:56 +0800 Organization: Telstra Lines: 32 Message-Id: <4ag56s$glb@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> References: <4a5n37$255@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> <4a7cme$mmt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <4a5n37$255@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au>, : Clive Mitchell wrote: : : I'm running K95 (1.1.1) on a DX2/66 with a direct connection to a : : serial network on com2. Every so often the K95 vt100 terminal : : session will just stop accepting keyboard input. If I hit alt-x : : it will fall back to the kermit prompt (sometimes after a pause : : of up to 20 seconds) where I can enter 'c' and carry on. : : : It sounds like a flow control deadlock. What kind of flow control : are you using? Do you have a null-modem cable with RTS and CTS : crossed over? Has Kermit 95 been told to SET FLOW RTS/CTS? What : about the thing on the other end of the cable? : When you get into this situation, does Kermit 95's status line : say TRANSMISSION BLOCKED? I'm connected to a DCE device which is using XON/XOFF flow control. I've tried setting Kermit for XON/XOFF and NONE to no effect. Using a protocol analyser I can see that my PC does indeed stop sending with no change to any of the control signals. The status line does not say TRANSMISSION BLOCKED. Another thing I noticed is that when I get back to the Kermit prompt, if I do a SHOW COMM it says that RTS and DTR are OFF when in fact they are both asserted. I am not having any problem with the TCP/IP connections with Kermit95. They are working perfectly. -- Clive Mitchell Oz Air Warrior cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au PID 5029 "Mad Dog" From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 11 12:50:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26845 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Dec 1995 19:34:43 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA01159 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 19:34:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!news From: Jeff Van Syckle Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using Kermit Protocol in Win95 Date: 11 Dec 1995 12:50:54 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 11 Message-Id: <4ah9fe$4s2@netnews.upenn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ts11-10.upenn.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am having a problem using the kermit protocol in Win95. I can connect to my server fine, and can start the Kermit protocl on that end ok, but when I try to get Win95 to receive a file, I'm having a problem. Can't seem to get it to "know" the file I'm trying to download. I'm not certain if it has something to do with escaping to my local server, or what. I can't really afford to buy the Win95 version of kermit. Do I need this to make Kermit work under Windows 95? If someone could walk me through this I would appreciate it. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 11 03:26:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08373 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Dec 1995 04:55:58 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA16484 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 04:55:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] MS-Kermit not displaying characters from remote host Message-Id: <1995Dec11.092631.69293@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Dec 95 09:26:31 MDT References: <4aaipn$8t1@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Distribution: inet Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4aaipn$8t1@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, zed@lynx.WPI.EDU (Jesse D Zbikowski) writes: > I don't think this is the same as the "I-can-talk-but-I-can't-listen" > syndrome described in KERMIT.BWR; I would really appreciate it if > someone could help me figure out my problem. > > When I connect to a modem server with MS-Kermit, I don't see any of the > characters being sent to me. The cursor moves appropriately, the way > it would if the login prompt were being displayed; I just don't see > it. In fact, I can log in normally and run commands, just without > seeing the output. If I do an "ls", for example, the cursor moves > around and the screen scrolls up, but that's it. To see what is being sent to you tell MSK SET DEBUG ON. That will show each byte, ^control-code, ~high-bit-set, without interpreting cursor steering commands and so on. It is possible that your remote host is set to not echo. Please check with the system manager about that aspect. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 11 16:11:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11453 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Dec 1995 05:46:16 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA17174 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 05:46:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.texas.net!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!news.uh.edu!lurch.sccsi.com!news.sccsi.com!usenet From: jwinett@tulsa.com (Joe Winett) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Caps-Lock Problem with K95 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:11:45 GMT Organization: Floral Haven Lines: 10 Message-Id: <30cc57f7.3760203@news.sccsi.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fhaven.sccsi.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone had weird problems with Upper and Lower case in K95? Sometimes it's like Kermit is in CapsLock, but all keys are really shifted -- 'a' sends 'A' and '7' sends '&', etc... Joe From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 12 13:32:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00763 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:32:21 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA08354 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:32:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Caps-Lock Problem with K95 Date: 12 Dec 1995 13:32:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <4ak08t$850@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <30cc57f7.3760203@news.sccsi.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <30cc57f7.3760203@news.sccsi.com>, Joe Winett wrote: > Has anyone had weird problems with Upper and Lower case in K95? > Sometimes it's like Kermit is in CapsLock, but all keys are really > shifted -- 'a' sends 'A' and '7' sends '&', etc... > This is a bug in the Windows 95 console driver. Caps Lock acts like Shift Lock for 32-bit console applications that read scan codes (not just characters). Hopefully Microsoft will fix it. There is no way to fix it in Kermit, as it stands, because the characters you see are the ones that Windows is reporting. We are working to convert Kermit 95 to a full GUI, non-console application, and that will avoid the problem by not using Microsoft's console driver any more. Watch this space for announcements. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 12 17:09:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:04:10 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA15334 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:04:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!uw-beaver!cornellcs!rochester!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!fas-news.harvard.edu!newspump.wustl.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems with packets bigger than 94 bytes Date: 12 Dec 1995 17:09:43 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 21 Message-Id: <4akd0n$du6@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <4ahd39$6vj@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu p7003cv@sun1.lrz-muenchen.de (Matthias Noethe) writes: >Hi everyone, > >I'm trying to send large text files, sometimes binaries from a linux >machine to a vms host. I try to use sliding windows but when I transmit >larger packets than 94 bytes I only get naks from the vms-host. >So far I use 31 windows. >Buffers are big enough 100000 ! > >Any suggestions ... > What level of C-Kermit are your running on the vax? Does it accept your set receive packet-length 2000 command without error? -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 11 05:20:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01491 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:14:44 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA16755 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:14:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!raffles.technet.sg!nova.np.ac.sg!comet.np.ac.sg!93302179 From: Kung YiJi <93302179@comet.np.ac.sg> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PhoneList Manager (script) for MSkermit 3.14 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 13:20:02 +0800 Organization: Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore Lines: 22 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: comet.np.ac.sg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Nntp-Posting-User: 93302179 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have written a "PhoneList Manager v.01a" for MSkermit 3.14. It runs with the Hayes AT command set and is handy for those planning on using MSKermit for more than just internetting (for BBSing as well). Its written entirely with the built-in macros and script commands, just to show what MSkermit 3.14 can do! Those looking for such a script can get it from [http://arbornet.org/~edwinder], web-space courtesy of Edwinder Singh (a fellow mate). Functions/Features include: o Autodialing with counter, terminates with key-press o Dialing-Directory-Format compatible o F/B Paging, Reload to Top and selection by alphabet o Terminal-emulation selection (Ansi-BBS,VT320 etc) o Dialing Speed/Parity settings from Menu Any comments/bugs/support, please e-mail to the address below. Thank you, kung. 93302179@np.ac.sg --- From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 10 12:04:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:14:46 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA16776 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:14:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.palantir.com!news.IntNet.net!jtomich From: jtomich@news.IntNet.net (Jeff Tomich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Backspace don't work? Date: 10 Dec 1995 12:04:21 GMT Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-Id: <4aeic5$pf1@mercury.IntNet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: xcalibur.intnet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I'm at my unix shell prompt the backspace doesn't work, although it works fine when I'm in my mail reader, etc... Any Ideas, thanks. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 11 13:52:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:14:45 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA16770 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:14:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.gtn.com!news2.gtn.com!news.hamburg.pop.de!nordwest.pop.de!uniol!uni-erlangen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!sun1!p7003cv From: p7003cv@sun1.lrz-muenchen.de (Matthias Noethe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problems with packets bigger than 94 bytes Date: 11 Dec 1995 13:52:41 GMT Organization: Leibniz-Rechenzentrum, Muenchen (Germany) Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-Id: <4ahd39$6vj@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: sun1.lrz-muenchen.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi everyone, I'm trying to send large text files, sometimes binaries from a linux machine to a vms host. I try to use sliding windows but when I transmit larger packets than 94 bytes I only get naks from the vms-host. So far I use 31 windows. Buffers are big enough 100000 ! Any suggestions ... Thanx Matthias ia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!wang!news From: gadi@hynet.co.il (Gadi Friedman) Subject: Re: CKermit 5A(186) BETA-8, 7 NOV 92: a question about... Organization: TeleOp Communication Industries, Ltd. Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:08:53 GMT Message-Id: References: <7DEC95.10103608@meena.cc.uregina.ca> <4a6rj8$c8j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4a6rj8$c8j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article <7DEC95.10103608@meena.cc.uregina.ca>, > wrote: >>The VAX/VMS is running this version 5A(186) of C-Kermit. I want to use it to >> >Please use a real release of C-Kermit, not a three-year old prerelease. > >- Frank Well, I FTPed the latest SUN 4.1 binaries, and got version C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD) Is this the latest? It seems Not much newer than his. I also could not find a file containing only the docs. (I don't want to bring the source accross my 14k modem. Gadi PS. This kermit is MUCH better than the "C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89" I'd been using until last month. Keep up the good work. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 13 16:59:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 13 Dec 1995 12:28:56 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA17343 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 12:28:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net!wupost!news From: andyc@andyc.carenet.org (Andy Carlson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CKermit Scrollback vs Pageup/down Date: 13 Dec 1995 16:59:35 GMT Organization: Barnes Jewish Christian Health Services Inc. Lines: 18 Message-Id: <4an0pn$qm4@news-1.starnet.net> Reply-To: andyc@andyc.carenet.org (Andy Carlson) Nntp-Posting-Host: 159.251.120.50 X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2.5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have just started using CKermit with OS/2 and really like it, especially for it's scripting capabilities. I have run in to one slight problem so far (I bought the book by the way and have had no luck finding what I need to know). The book says that keys can be remapped. My problem is with the using pageup/pagedown for the scrollback commands. I am used to using pageup/pagedown in my applications. Ckermit has the key redefinition, and I would not mind using ctrl-pgup and ctrl-pgdown for the scrollback, but I do not know what to change the key setting to so that my application will see the pageup/pagedown. If anyone else has had this problem and a suggested fix, I would appreciate it. Thanks. Andy Carlson email: andyc@andyc.carenet.org BJC Health System http://bjc.carenet.org/~ts55428 Get the RASFWRJ Mini FAQ by mailing to rasfwrj@bjc.carenet.org Get the Robert Jordan WoT FAQ by mailing to jordan@bjc.carenet.org From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 13 08:14:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05990 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 13 Dec 1995 14:06:16 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA20780 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 14:06:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!news.alt.net!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get BACKSPACE to work? Date: 13 Dec 1995 08:14:16 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 24 Message-Id: <4am20o$p9u@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <4akr9o$8o7@mercury.IntNet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jtomich@IntNet.net (Jeff Tomich) writes: >When I'm at my shell prompt or at the ftp prompt the backspace doesn't >work. How do I set key to make the backspace work. The DEC VMS and Unix worlds have never quite agreed on what the backspace character should be. Assuming that you're talking to a Unix box, perhaps the easiest thing to do is to tell Kermit to use a Unix backspace. In C-Kermit for OS/2 I do that with set key \127 \8 in my ckermod.ini file, where 127 is the scancode of the PC backspace key, and 8 is the ASCII backspace character, also called ^H. I know this can be done in MS-Kermit for DOS. Don't know about others. Alternatively you can tell Unix to use the VMS backspace character, DEL, with the Unix command stty erase "<---press the backspace key instead of the " -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 13 20:12:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 13 Dec 1995 15:12:50 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA23080 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 15:12:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit Scrollback vs Pageup/down Date: 13 Dec 1995 20:12:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <4anc3n$mh6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4an0pn$qm4@news-1.starnet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4an0pn$qm4@news-1.starnet.net>, Andy Carlson wrote: >I have just started using CKermit with OS/2 and really like it, >especially for it's scripting capabilities. I have run in to one slight >problem so far (I bought the book by the way and have had no luck >finding what I need to know). The book says that keys can be remapped. >My problem is with the using pageup/pagedown for the scrollback >commands. I am used to using pageup/pagedown in my applications. >Ckermit has the key redefinition, and I would not mind using ctrl-pgup >and ctrl-pgdown for the scrollback, but I do not know what to change the >key setting to so that my application will see the pageup/pagedown. If >anyone else has had this problem and a suggested fix, I would >appreciate it. Thanks. You change the key definitions with the SET KEY command. If your application is a DEC VMS app or understands the DEC UpScreen and DownScreen keys try assigning \Kupscn and \Kdnscn to the appropriate keys. If you application is something like emacs with its own Command sequences, assign the command sequence as the SET KEY definition. Read the CKERMIT.INF file by typing UPDATES at the C-kermit prompt to find a huge amount of information regarding C-Kermit for OS/2 which is not in the Big Yellow Book. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 13 19:08:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 13 Dec 1995 15:46:13 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA24347 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 15:46:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!gatech!gt-news!nntp.ipst.edu!news.Gsu.EDU!usenet From: Tom Bowden Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where to get TELIX? Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 14:08:34 -0500 Organization: Georgia State University Lines: 8 Message-Id: <30CF24B2.6C0F@gsu.edu> References: <4an5bj$hg2@aim.et.iupui.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: idmtmb.gsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b3 (Win95; I) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Barry J Mccabe wrote: > > I used to have a copy of this, but seem to have misplaced the diskette. > Anyone know where I could ftp a copy? ftp delta.com Tom in Atlanta From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 12 21:13:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 13 Dec 1995 22:30:43 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA08713 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 22:30:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.palantir.com!news.IntNet.net!jtomich From: jtomich@IntNet.net (Jeff Tomich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to get BACKSPACE to work? Date: 12 Dec 1995 21:13:28 GMT Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-Id: <4akr9o$8o7@mercury.IntNet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: xcalibur.intnet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I'm at my shell prompt or at the ftp prompt the backspace doesn't work. How do I set key to make the backspace work. thanks, Jeff From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 14 16:00:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:00:28 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA19694 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:00:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Backspace don't work? Date: 14 Dec 1995 16:00:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 143 Message-Id: <4aphml$j73@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4aeic5$pf1@mercury.IntNet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4aeic5$pf1@mercury.IntNet.net>, Jeff Tomich wrote: >When I'm at my unix shell prompt the backspace doesn't work, although it >works fine when I'm in my mail reader, etc... > From the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt 5 MY BACKSPACE KEY DOESN'T WORK! From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] Backspace key says, "^?" Date: 7 Jan 1995 21:26:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 122 In article , Jim Monty wrote: > DISCLAIMER: I've looked for the answer to the following question in > _Using MS-DOS Kermit_ and in the documentation included with MS-DOS > Kermit 3.13. I either couldn't find the answer or didn't understand > it if I did. > Thank you for consulting the documentation. > I'm using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 on an i80386SX machine running MS-DOS > 6.0, using a 14,400 bps Zoom VFP V.32bis modem. Kermit is set for > VT220 terminal emulation and is using the Latin1 character set and > code page CP437. I've not mucked with much in the initialization > files, so you may assume that any other parameters are still set to > the "factory" defaults. > > Alas, the question: In some online environments, my backspace key > behaves as one would expect it to. In others, hitting the backspace > key results in either (1) nothing happening, or (2) the characters > "^?" appearing on the screen. I can, however, use Ctrl-H in these > situations. In these exact same online environments (e.g., vi > insert mode when connected to my dial-up UNIX shell account) under > analagous circumstances, the other terminal emulator that I use, > Telemate Version 3.12, does not behave this way. The backspace key > functions as a destructive backspace. > > I presume that the change I need to make to my MS-DOS Kermit > configuration is a simple one, but I can't figure it out. And I've > never really wanted to bother to spend a lot of time trying to > figure it out myself. (I want the magic straight from the wizards' > minds.) Thanks, in advance, for taking the time to help me. > > Jim Monty, Kermit Cheerleader at Arthur Andersen LLP > Well, Jim, I think it's finally time to classify this as a Frequently Asked Question and add it to the FAQ (kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/FAQ.TXT). As you have discovered, different hosts and applications use different characters (or sequences) for destructive backspace. The terminal emulator, Kermit or otherwise (including Telemate -- if its backspace key works for you in all circumstances, I think that's just a stroke of luck), has no way of knowing what host or application you are using, and therefore no way of knowing what to send when you press the Backspace key. Of course, Kermit's Backspace key must send *something* "out of the box", so it uses one of the several most likely destructive backspace values, and in fact the one that is defined in ASCII to be destructive backspace, namely Rubout, also known as Delete or DEL, character number 127, which sometimes is displayed as "^?". Lest anyone believe this is a frivolous choice, I quote from American National Standard X3.4-1977, Section 5.1, Control Characters: 0/8 BS (Backspace). A one-active-position format effector that moves the position backward on the same line. 7/15 (DEL). A character used primarily to erase or obliterate an erroneous or unwanted character... In cases where the default does not work, Kermit lets you redefine the Backspace key (or any other key) to send whatever you want it to send (or to take any other actions) with the SET KEY command. The SET KEY command has two operands: a unique identifier for a key or key combination, called a scan code, and the value or action to be assigned to the key. Scan codes are written with a preceding backslash (\). The scan code for the Backspace key is \270. The default definition for this key is \127, meaning the character whose numeric value is 127, i.e. DEL. You can find out a key's scan code by consulting Table I-9 in the manual (pages 285-288), or by giving the SHOW KEY command to Kermit and then pressing the desired key or key combination. Now, as you have discovered, some applications use Ctrl-H -- ASCII BS (Backspace) -- for destructive backspace. Consulting the ASCII table on page 275, you see that the ASCII code for BS is 8. So to make PC's Backspace key send BS instead of DEL, give this command: SET KEY \270 \8 If you use Kermit only to connect to hosts and services that use BS for destructive backspace, then you can put this command in your MSCUSTOM.INI file, and it will take effect automatically every time you start Kermit. But some people (like yourself) switch between different hosts and/or services that expect different characters or sequences for destructive backspace. You can, of course, give Kermit the appropriate command every time you switch from one to another: SET KEY \270 \8 ; Backspace sends BS or: SET KEY \270 \127 ; Backspace sends DEL or you can use the macros that are already defined in MSKERMIT.INI for this. In version 3.14, for example, we have macros with names like VAX and IBM. The VAX macro sets things up (including the Backspace key) for communicating with VAXes and VAX-like systems, and that means, among other things, setting the Backspace key to send DEL. The IBM macro, on the other hand, is used for communicating with IBM mainframes in linemode, where BS is used. You can use these macros as they are, or you can write your own macros based upon them and add them to your MSCUSTOM.INI file. To use a macro, just type its name at the MS-Kermit> prompt. Suppose, for example, you normally access two different systems: a BBS (which uses 8-bit characters, ANSI terminal emulation, and BS) and a UNIX system (which uses 7-bit characters, VT220 emulation, and DEL), and these items need to be changed when you switch between the two. You could write two macros such as these: define bbs set term byte 8, set term type ANSI, set key \270 \8 define unix set term byte 7, set term type vt220, set key \270 \127 And then each time you want to use the BBS, you just type "bbs" at the MS-Kermit> prompt, and each time you want to access the UNIX system, you type "unix". Of course, you could take this process even further, and turn the BBS and UNIX macros into complete connection-establishment and login scripts, following the directions in Chapter 14 of the manual, on script programming. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 14 16:01:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16595 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:02:03 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA19724 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:02:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Zmodem who to help? Date: 14 Dec 1995 16:01:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <4aphpm$j89@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4aemon$qkq@mercury.IntNet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4aemon$qkq@mercury.IntNet.net>, Jeff Tomich wrote: >Would like to use zmodem externally. How do I do that? > Before anyone could answer your question, they would need to know which version of which Kermit program you are running on which kind of computer and operating system, over which kind of connection. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 14 16:13:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17610 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:13:49 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA20097 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:13:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems with packets bigger than 94 bytes Date: 14 Dec 1995 16:13:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 185 Message-Id: <4apifl$jju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ahd39$6vj@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ahd39$6vj@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de>, Matthias Noethe wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I'm trying to send large text files, sometimes binaries from a linux >machine to a vms host. I try to use sliding windows but when I transmit >larger packets than 94 bytes I only get naks from the vms-host. >So far I use 31 windows. >Buffers are big enough 100000 ! > >Any suggestions ... > You should read the "Using C-Kermit" chapter that explains the relationship of packet length and window size to performance. By the way, "Using C-Kermit" is available in German too: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 88,00. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. Also, pay particular attention to flow control. It is all explained in the manual. I would also ask you to read the CKVINS.DOC file that comes with VMS C-Kermit. As you will see, C-Kermit's buffers are not the only ones you need to be concerned with. VMS itself has some buffering limitations that can only be changed by the system manager, either through privileged commands or by reconfiguring the system. In the meantime, I would suggest that you reduce the window size to something reasonable, like 2 or 4, and then you should be able to increase the packet length. Here, for reference is an earlier discussion of Kermit file transfer performance on VMS: In article <3en6v1$eer@nyx10.cs.du.edu>, Michael Donohue wrote: >AN earlier post said that Kermit was not entirely bad for transfering >files. I tried and tried, but the max cps I could get was 157 or so on a >9600 bps line. > >Could someone please tell me ... the settings for kermit? > I have posted the following message to this group several times -- if there is an FAQ, I hope this can be added to it. But first, a word from our sponsor. The current version of Kermit for VMS is C-Kermit 5A(190). It supersedes all previous VMS Kermit releases and programs, including all versions of Kermit-32, which is no longer supported. You can get C-Kermit 5A(190) by mail order from Columbia University, or by anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/f, file ckvaaaa.hlp, read it, go from there. You can also access the Kermit repository via the Web at URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ The Kermit software effort is funded primarily by mail order and book sales. Users of C-Kermit (and MS-DOS Kermit) are encouraged to purchase the appropriate manual -- it will show you how to use the software and how to get the most out of it (e.g. answering questions like the one above, so they need not be posted to dozens of newsgroups over and over and over again). If you type "help" at the C-Kermit> or MS-Kermit> prompt, you should get (among other things) a complete reference to the appropriate manual. If you want more information, access the Web site listed above or send e-mail to kermit.columbia.edu. The following message is almost a year old and discusses the previous release of C-Kermit, but aside from that, it still applies. In article gap5u@faraday.clas.virginia.edu (Gregory Perron) writes: > > I'm downloading from a vax 4000-90 thru a terminal server of some sort > to my PC. 14.4's at both ends: I have a cardinal internal; they have > us robotics. I get messages of 14.4, lapm, v.42bis, etc. But, > downloads have been hideous. > > I've given up on sz, because of too many aborted transfers. I > *think* the problem is w/ the vax, but I'm not sure. [I get flawless > 1600-1650 cps dl's on zipped files from a local bbs] Yes, I tried all > the -ebrw permutations I could think of. > > On to kermit: I use procomm plus/dos 2.01 on my PC. On the vax, > ckermit pops up and says: > Ckermit 5a(188) 23 NOV 92, OpenVMS Vax. > You'll get better results with C-Kermit 5A(189) or later, which has two new features described below. C-Kermit 5A(189) is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/b, get the file ckvaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there. > My ckermit.ini file has: > set send pack 1000 > This command is not needed; see the documentation. > set receive pack 1000 > set buff 20000 20000 > set file type bin > set windows 10 > set block 3 > > Symptoms: max dl cps has been around 1100 for a zipped/jpg/gif file. > And that's unusual: 950-1050 is more normal. It's almost like I'm > only at 9600, modem report aside. > I can't speak for Procomm, but I ran some tests using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 (the current version) on a 486/66 over a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis dialup connection to a Cisco terminal server, and from there to a VAXstation 3100 running VMS 5.x and C-Kermit 5A. The calling modem is a Telebit T3000, the answering modem is a USR Courier. MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/bin, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. In these tests, I downloaded a 330K ZIP file (MSVIBM.ZIP -- the MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 distribution). My serial interface speed was 57600 bps, and I used RTS/CTS flow control between my PC and the modem, and RTS/CTS was also active between the answering modem and the terminal server. In the first test (10 window slots x 1000-byte packets, same settings as yours), I achieved an effective throughput of 1091 cps, like you got. Since the connection between the terminal server and VMS is via TCP/IP TELNET, and we know that TCP and IP will handle the flow control between the VAX and the terminal server, I told C-Kermit to SET FLOW NONE (its default setting is XON/XOFF) and ran the test again: 1136 cps. Now that we've got the basics taken care of, we can work on tuning. Next I tell C-Kermit to: SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL SET CONTROL PREFIX 1 129 255 (version 5A(189) or later is required for this; see the CKCKER.UPD file for explanation) -- This removes control-character prefixing overhead for all but 3 characters (4 really: NUL, Ctrl-A, Ctrl-A plus parity, and the TELNET IAC character). Now I get 1549 cps. Note: control-character unprefixing is of benefit primarily for precompressed files, secondarily for uncompressed binaries, and has very little effect at all on text files. Well, the PC I was using is one of the new "high-speed, low-cost" models, and so lacks a buffered UART. All of the above transfers suffered various amounts of retransmissions due to UART buffer overruns. Switching to a much slower PC (a PS/2-70, 15MHz I think) that has a 16550A buffered UART, same transfer, same parameters, the throughput goes up to 1601 cps. Now, since I don't have to worry about buffer overruns any more, I increase Kermit's packet length to 5000 (SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 5000). Throughput: 1608 cps. And now, since this is a precompressed file, I note that neither Kermit's run-length compression, nor the modem's V.42bis compression will do any good -- and some would say that they slow things down a lot. Let's see. I turn both off: Kermit: SET REPEAT COUNTS OFF (C-Kermit 5A(189) or later required). Modem: ATS190=0 (Telebit T3000) and download the file again. Result: 1616 cps. Not a big difference. Lessons (which apply mainly to this particular type of connection): 1. Buffered UARTs are better than nonbuffered UARTs. 2. Be sure to get the flow control at both ends. 3. Use long packets (1K - 5K, whatever works) and sliding windows (4 or more). 4. Once you've got all that working optimally, you can squeeze out another 20-30% efficiency with control-character unprefixing. 5. After that, don't bother too much with fine tuning, particularly with disabling modem or software compression - it makes very little difference. Please, before we have another flurry of postings from people asking for the "optimal" list of control characters to be unprefixed, THERE IS NONE. Every connection is different, with its own unique characteristics. Read the documentation. Ditto for all the other variables we have looked at here: window size, packet length, flow control, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 14 16:18:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17996 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:18:13 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA20508 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:18:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit 5A(186) BETA-8, 7 NOV 92: a question about... Date: 14 Dec 1995 16:18:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-Id: <4apinv$k0n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <7DEC95.10103608@meena.cc.uregina.ca> <4a6rj8$c8j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Gadi Friedman wrote: >Well, I FTPed the latest SUN 4.1 binaries, and got version >C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD) >Is this the latest? It seems Not much newer than his. > Yes, that is the current release for SunOS. >I also could not find a file containing only the docs. >(I don't want to bring the source accross my 14k modem. > The manual is a book, printed on paper: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025-7721 USA Telephone: +1 (212) 854-3703 Fax: +1 (212) 663-8202 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: US $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), US $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add US $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) >PS. This kermit is MUCH better than the "C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89" >I'd been using until last month. > Glad you like it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 14 14:42:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:30:33 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA25484 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:30:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!freenet.vancouver.bc.ca!dastow From: dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: different colors for bold and reverse video? Date: 14 Dec 1995 14:42:29 GMT Organization: Vancouver Regional FreeNet Lines: 10 Message-Id: <4apd4l$2og@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I sometimes use a VT100 emulation in a communications program called Symphony which displays regular text as white letters on black background, bold text as green letters on black, reverse as black on cyan, and reverse bold as white on cyan. I like the effect, and I'd like to know if it's possible to set the VT320 emulation of MSKermit 3.14 to use different color combinations for bold and reverse like this. Thanks, David Stow From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 13 21:31:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Dec 1995 15:39:56 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA00527 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 15:39:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!aim.et.iupui.edu!etapps!bmccabe From: bmccabe@tech.iupui.edu (Barry J Mccabe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where to get TELIX? Date: 13 Dec 1995 21:31:37 GMT Organization: Purdue University School of Engr. and Tech. At Indianapolis,IN Lines: 11 Message-Id: <4angnp$l8b@aim.et.iupui.edu> References: <4an5bj$hg2@aim.et.iupui.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: etapps.tech.iupui.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Barry J Mccabe (bmccabe@tech.iupui.edu) wrote: : I used to have a copy of this, but seem to have misplaced the diskette. : Anyone know where I could ftp a copy? Sorry, just answered my own question. I found it on a university FTP site, just couldn't find it throught the typical web search tools. -- Barry J. McCabe bmccabe@tech.iupui.edu http://webster.cadcam.iupui.edu:80/~bmccabe/ From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 12 13:19:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:00:27 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA01336 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:00:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems with packets bigger than 94 bytes Date: 12 Dec 1995 13:19:17 GMT Lines: 17 Message-Id: <4ajvgl$ha@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4ahd39$6vj@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <4ahd39$6vj@sparcserver.lrz-muenchen.de>, p7003cv@sun1.lrz-muenchen.de (Matthias Noethe) wrote: # I'm trying to send large text files, sometimes binaries from a # linux machine to a vms host. I try to use sliding windows but # when I transmit larger packets than 94 bytes I only get naks # from the vms-host. So far I use 31 windows. Buffers are big # enough 100000 ! # # Any suggestions ... I've run into the problem on several hosts that I can download with large packets, but can't upload with anything over the standard 94. I've assumed that this is a flow-control problem on the host's end, which I have no control over. Could this be it? David Johns From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 13 21:22:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09193 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:24:44 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA02705 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:24:42 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!netnews.com!uhog.mit.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!newsfeed.rice.edu!news.sesqui.net!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!portal.gmu.edu!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: VMS C-Kermit (5A 190) .zip file transmission problems X-Nntp-Posting-Host: fulton.seas.virginia.edu Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 21:22:40 GMT Lines: 36 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:116453 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4302 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, We are using C-Kermit (version 5A 190) for OpenVMS, both on the AXP and VAX platforms to automate file transfers with several systems all running the same setup. All file transmissions work fine except for .zip files. All files are being transmitted using the "labeled" format. .zip file transmissions completely "hang" the modems on both ends with no system activity showing on either end and it never times out or fails (causing some large phone bills!). We are in the process of double checking all recommendations in the C-Kermit documentation and CKVINS.DOC to see if there is a system parameter that is causing our troubles, but wanted to post to the Internet community to see if anyone has any ideas or suggestions for us concerning this. If this is not solved soon we will be investigating a more failproof way to transmit files automatically. All command procedures, etc have been taken out of the loop and a straight log-on, initiate C-Kermit "server", drop back to the local machine and do a C-Kermit "send" causes the "hang". And every once in a while, but not often, the problem file actually makes it to where it is supposed to go (could be system activity related). Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Erik Hatcher -- Erik Hatcher http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 14 05:17:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29071 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Dec 1995 23:17:06 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA16980 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 23:17:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.ahc.ameritech.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!godot.cc.duq.edu!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!spcuna!spcvxb!terry From: terry@spcvxa.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.) Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit (5A 190) .zip file transmission problems X-Nntp-Posting-Host: spcvxa.spc.edu References: Sender: news@spcuna.spc.edu (Network News) X-Nntp-Posting-User: TERRY Organization: St. Peter's College, US Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 05:17:44 GMT Message-Id: <1995Dec14.001744.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> Lines: 25 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:116503 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4303 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) writes: > We are using C-Kermit (version 5A 190) for OpenVMS, both > on the AXP and VAX platforms to automate file transfers > with several systems all running the same setup. > > All file transmissions work fine except for .zip files. > All files are being transmitted using the "labeled" format. > > .zip file transmissions completely "hang" the modems on > both ends with no system activity showing on either end > and it never times out or fails (causing some large phone bills!). I'm the developer that put labeled mode support (and some other stuff) into VMS C-Kermit. You need to do a SET DEBUG ON on both the sending and receiving systems. That will log a great deal of status info. Then email me the debug logs as well as the output from SHOW VERSION and I'll look at them and see what's going on. [Note for others: I don't do much work with Kermit any more - this isn't a blanket invitation for people to send me questions or bug reports - they should go to the regular Kermit support address at Columbia.] Terry Kennedy Operations Manager, Academic Computing terry@spcvxa.spc.edu St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA +1 201 915 9381 (voice) +1 201 435-3662 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 14 13:37:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00285 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Dec 1995 23:44:40 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA17902 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 23:44:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!prodigy.com!usenet From: SWHN62A@prodigy.com (Joseph Beasley iii) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Error: Can't arp resolve Date: 14 Dec 1995 13:37:45 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-Id: <4ap9b9$10oo@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: inugap3.news.prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to connect a dos machine to a linux box via ethernet. I have the packet drivers installed, but I get a message, "can't arp resolve the address". I can connect fine in windows using trumpet, but using the latest version of PC Kermit gives this error message. JOSEPH BEASLEY III SWHN62A@prodigy.com http://pages.prodigy.com/TX/eagle From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 15 03:54:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03537 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Dec 1995 09:47:55 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA16254 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 09:47:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!news.ssnet.com!news.internetMCI.com!darwin.sura.net!blaze.cs.jhu.edu!news.jhu.edu!news From: yuehong@psi.ece.jhu.edu (Yuehong Zheng) Newsgroups: comp.unix.programmer,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc,comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: how to set "control quote character" in Ckermit? Date: 15 Dec 1995 03:54:46 GMT Organization: JHU Lines: 5 Message-Id: <4aqri6$1am@news.jhu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.220.62.128 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.programmer:37423 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4305 comp.protocols.misc:5192 comp.unix.sco.misc:11985 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu And how to set "8th bit quote character " in Ckermit? How to set "maximum packet size" in Ckermit? I have looked at that book named 'Using Ckermit', and can not find the answer. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 14 15:12:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05548 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:15:36 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA16788 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:15:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!news.alt.net!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!jussieu.fr!fdn.fr!r2d2.fdn.org!uunet!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Error: Can't arp resolve Message-Id: <1995Dec14.211231.69704@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Dec 95 21:12:31 MDT References: <4ap9b9$10oo@useneta1.news.prodigy.com> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ap9b9$10oo@useneta1.news.prodigy.com>, SWHN62A@prodigy.com (Joseph Beasley iii) writes: > I am trying to connect a dos machine to a linux box via ethernet. I have > the packet drivers installed, but I get a message, "can't arp resolve the > address". I can connect fine in windows using trumpet, but using the > latest version of PC Kermit gives this error message. ----------- There are a couple of things which might cause this: Linux itself and a bug in the MSK code if both network adapters are from the same vendor (for gosh sakes). Some versions of Linux (I don't run it so please don't ask me which versions etc) have broken ARP code. Much trouble over it. The MSK bug is an addition to deal with NDIS drivers which echo packets being sent. Yes, that's right. To detect and discard them I compare source MAC address with the machine's own MAC address and discard if they match. Alas, the quick-compare code (it sees every incoming packet so it must be really fast) stepped through three rather than six bytes of MAC address by mistake, and the first three Ethernet bytes are the vendor code. I meant well, I really did, scout's honor. It's not patchable I'm sorry to say. If you will contact me personally, jrd@cc.usu.edu, let's see if we can sort out the problem. Test question #1, while I grade final exams here, is can you converse with a non-Linux machine? If so then that's a step in the right direction. Extra credit is what happens if you change board vendor in either machine. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 14 15:16:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:15:44 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA16803 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:15:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!news.alt.net!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!jussieu.fr!fdn.fr!r2d2.fdn.org!uunet!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: different colors for bold and reverse video? Message-Id: <1995Dec14.211618.69706@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Dec 95 21:16:18 MDT References: <4apd4l$2og@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4apd4l$2og@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca>, dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow) writes: > I sometimes use a VT100 emulation in a communications program called > Symphony which displays regular text as white letters on black background, > bold text as green letters on black, reverse as black on cyan, and > reverse bold as white on cyan. I like the effect, and I'd like to know > if it's possible to set the VT320 emulation of MSKermit 3.14 to use > different color combinations for bold and reverse like this. ---------- The best we can offer is different coloring for underlining/underscoring. That's command SET TERM COLOR UNDERSCORE digits just like SET TERM COLOR digits. Bold is the opposite of "normal" and is strictly an intensity affair in MSK as it is on real DEC terminals. Reverse is reverse. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 15 16:33:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Dec 1995 11:33:22 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA19462 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 11:33:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.programmer,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc,comp.unix.sco.misc Subject: Re: how to set "control quote character" in Ckermit? Date: 15 Dec 1995 16:33:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <4as7vt$ivv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4aqri6$1am@news.jhu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.programmer:37427 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4308 comp.protocols.misc:5193 comp.unix.sco.misc:11987 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4aqri6$1am@news.jhu.edu>, Yuehong Zheng wrote: >And how to set "8th bit quote character " in Ckermit? > You only need to use 8th-bit quoting if you have a 7-bit connection. The way you tell C-Kermit about this is: SET PARITY EVEN (or SET PARITY SPACE, etc -- any parity value other than NONE). There is no command to choose what the 8th-bit prefix is. The character '&' is always used for this. >How to set "maximum packet size" in Ckermit? > Tell the file receiver to SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH . > I have looked at that book named 'Using Ckermit', > and can not find the answer. > Try Chapters 6 and 8. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 15 16:03:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23969 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Dec 1995 14:31:58 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA26548 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 14:31:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!news.alt.net!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!eff!blanket.mitre.org!linus.mitre.org!usenet From: Jeff Heim Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with unixlogin Date: 15 Dec 1995 16:03:21 GMT Organization: CAASD Lines: 28 Message-Id: <4as689$dvv@linus.mitre.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: harmonica.mitre.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) To: kermit-support@columbia.edu, jheim@mitre.org X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc I have a problem with the unixlogin script. I'm trying to invoke it from a script, and sometimes it works, but sometime it fails with: No password prompt If I leave off the password, and I'm prompted for it, it always seems to work. I'm using the Standard C-Kermit initialization file for C-Kermit Version: 5A(190). I'm trying to login to a Sun from a DEC Alpha running VMS through a Microcom modem at 38400. I believe it works better at slower speeds, but who wants to run at slower speeds? I'm sure it's me, but I tried checking the configuration as much as I can and I'm at a loss. The fact that it sometimes works seems odd. Thanks for any hints. Jeff Heim The Mitre Corporation From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 15 19:38:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24336 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Dec 1995 14:38:13 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA26662 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 14:38:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with unixlogin Date: 15 Dec 1995 19:38:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <4asiqs$q13@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4as689$dvv@linus.mitre.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4as689$dvv@linus.mitre.org>, Jeff Heim wrote: >I have a problem with the unixlogin >script. I'm trying to invoke it from >a script, and sometimes it works, but >sometime it fails with: > > No password prompt > The unixlogin macro definition waits 5 secs for the password prompt. Try increasing that timeout period to 15 or 30 if needed. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 15 03:41:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03025 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Dec 1995 17:04:36 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA02715 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 17:04:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!darwin.sura.net!blaze.cs.jhu.edu!news.jhu.edu!news From: yuehong@psi.ece.jhu.edu (Yuehong Zheng) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.sco.misc,comp.unix.sco.programmer,comp.unix.questions Subject: Help: kermit can not talk to OS-9 Date: 15 Dec 1995 03:41:17 GMT Organization: JHU Lines: 9 Message-Id: <4aqqot$1am@news.jhu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.220.62.128 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4311 comp.unix.sco.misc:11997 comp.unix.sco.programmer:1766 comp.unix.questions:84753 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have ckermit running on SCO3.2v4.2. And on the other end, I have a OS-9 system running a communication program named DATAMAX, I am suppose to see a a input screen as soon as I connected. I used a direct connection. however, as soon as I issue a "connect", I saw a input screen , but quickly, I was kicked out. And strangely enough, I saw the login screen of my own system! Any idea? From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 15 12:12:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Dec 1995 17:04:37 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA02718 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 17:04:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Uploading into EDT editor Date: 15 Dec 1995 12:12:41 GMT Lines: 34 Message-Id: <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone tell me why I should be having trouble doing an ascii upload into the EDT editor on a VAX/VMS system (using MS-Kermit 3.14)? Here's what happens. With a normal DOS text file (end of line = CR/LF), when I TRANSMIT the file, each line shows the character "M" at the end, but the next line continues on the same line -- i.e., neither a CR nor an LF registers on the screen. After the first few lines, the transmission stops at each "M" and I have to hit enter for the transmission to continue. When the transmission is finished, I can return to CONNECT mode and hit ^R (screen refresh) and the message is there, all formatted properly, with no difference between the lines at the beginning, where I didn't have to hit enter, and those further down, where I did. This is all with the stock SET TRANSMIT settings. I've also played with those. I've tried sending LF, with no visible effect. Once I set the pause to 1000 milliseconds, and apparently froze Kermit (I never got the command line prompt back). If I TRANSMIT into the standard VMS mail editor (send/noedit), the message displays properly and I don't have to hit enter on each line. The VMS terminal is set to VT100 (and I've tried VT100, VT102, VT220, and VT320 in Kermit with no differences). But using the standard editor isn't an option because it allows only very short messages (512 bytes?). Also, I haven't had this problem with any of several other programs I've used to contact this system over the years. Any ideas? David Johns afn10375@afn.org From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 15 14:36:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07605 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Dec 1995 18:16:43 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA05690 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 18:16:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!news.sprintlink.net!datalytics!news.ahc.ameritech.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu!mcl!timmbake From: timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.sendmail Subject: How to mail when you've no TCP/IP, UUCP, etc. Kermit? Date: 15 Dec 1995 14:36:40 GMT Organization: University of California, Santa Barbara Lines: 12 Message-Id: <4as15o$p6t@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mcl.ucsb.edu Summary: I'd like to mail directly from our linux box via a VMS account. Keywords: mail,sendmail,kermit,VMS,dial-in,shell,script,Linux Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4313 comp.mail.misc:25856 comp.mail.sendmail:25417 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, We dial in to a VMS account and there's no chance of getting anything set up on that end except kermit. Is it possible to use our Linux box at home with cron and kermit to automatically send and receive the internet mail to and from our VMS account. Thanks! I'll summarize if response warrants. -- Bake Timmons, III -- "...there's nothing higher, stronger, more wholesome and more useful in life than some good memory..." -- Alyosha in Brothers Karamazov (Dostoevsky) From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 15 10:50:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27916 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Dec 1995 02:16:05 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA19788 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 02:16:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor Message-Id: <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Dec 95 16:50:02 MDT References: <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) writes: > Can anyone tell me why I should be having trouble doing an ascii > upload into the EDT editor on a VAX/VMS system (using MS-Kermit > 3.14)? > > Here's what happens. With a normal DOS text file (end of line = > CR/LF), when I TRANSMIT the file, each line shows the character "M" > at the end, but the next line continues on the same line -- i.e., > neither a CR nor an LF registers on the screen. After the first few > lines, the transmission stops at each "M" and I have to hit enter > for the transmission to continue. When the transmission is finished, > I can return to CONNECT mode and hit ^R (screen refresh) and the message > is there, all formatted properly, with no difference between the lines > at the beginning, where I didn't have to hit enter, and those further > down, where I did. > > This is all with the stock SET TRANSMIT settings. I've also played > with those. I've tried sending LF, with no visible effect. Once > I set the pause to 1000 milliseconds, and apparently froze Kermit > (I never got the command line prompt back). > > If I TRANSMIT into the standard VMS mail editor (send/noedit), the > message displays properly and I don't have to hit enter on each line. > The VMS terminal is set to VT100 (and I've tried VT100, VT102, VT220, > and VT320 in Kermit with no differences). But using the standard > editor isn't an option because it allows only very short messages > (512 bytes?). > > Also, I haven't had this problem with any of several other programs > I've used to contact this system over the years. > > Any ideas? ---------- Your are placing new text into a full screen editor. EDT wants to move the cursor around as a result, rather than simply echoing CR back to MSK. Consequently, what EDT does echo comes out as one line overlapping the next on your MSK screen, but the text is actually inserted properly. This is typical of full screen editors when inserting material in the middle (and sometimes even at the end) of a document. Just ignore the false echoing and do that screen refresh after reentering Connect mode. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 12 16:37:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25329 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Dec 1995 06:36:39 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA29071 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 06:36:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!news.wfu.edu!not-for-mail From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Backspace don't work? Date: 12 Dec 1995 16:37:23 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <4akb43$o5l@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <4aeic5$pf1@mercury.IntNet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: darth.phy.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jeff Tomich (jtomich@news.IntNet.net) wrote: : When I'm at my unix shell prompt the backspace doesn't work, although it : works fine when I'm in my mail reader, etc... : In your startup script (.cshrc, .login, .profile, as the case may be) try stty erase ^H or stty erase ^"?" One will probably work. Initially try it from the command line. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 15 08:19:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Dec 1995 10:23:58 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA16343 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 10:23:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!ws41.cnusc.fr!rome.ceram.fr!malibu.unice.fr!cemef.cma.fr!news From: billiotte@cgi.ensmp.fr (J. Billiotte) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 & Net/windoze setup Date: 15 Dec 1995 08:19:42 GMT Organization: Ecole des Mines - CGI Lines: 41 Message-Id: <4arb2u$t08@cemef.cma.fr> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: cgipc2.ensmp.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , bruce@nevyn.realize.com.auN says... > > >Is there a FAQ that deals with MSkermit3.14 networks, and >windoze ?. > >My setup is > > NDIS > ------------------ >DIS_PKT9 MSTCP32 >WINPKT > ------------------ > Windoze 3.11 > I use the following configuration and I am very happy of it: MS kermit 3.14 Any Windows' or telnet NCSA Applications NDISPKT3 MSTCP32 --------------------------------- Adaptateur NDIS3 The only disagrement is to use of different IP numbers for NDISPKT3 and MSTCP32. I forget the ftp address of NDISPKT3 package. But I have the address of the creator: ddl@harvard.edu Best regards _____________________________________________________________ Joel Billiotte billiotte@cgi.ensmp.fr Centre de Geologie de l'Inginieur - Ecole des Mines de Paris tel : (33) 1 40 51 91 67 fax: (33) 1 43 26 36 56 _____________________________________________________________ Ce message est emis a titre personnel et n'engage pas l'Ecole des Mines de Paris// This message reflects my own opinion and does not engage the Ecole des Mines de Paris. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 16 11:23:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Dec 1995 10:42:19 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA16822 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 10:41:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor Date: 16 Dec 1995 11:23:49 GMT Lines: 16 Message-Id: <4aua85$f52@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: # Your are placing new text into a full screen editor. EDT # wants to move the cursor around as a result, rather than # simply echoing CR back to MSK. Consequently, what EDT does # echo comes out as one line overlapping the next on your MSK # screen, but the text is actually inserted properly. This is # typical of full screen editors when inserting material in the # middle (and sometimes even at the end) of a document. Just # ignore the false echoing and do that screen refresh after # reentering Connect mode. OK, but what about having to keep hitting to keep the upload going? Does that ring any bells? David Johns From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 16 03:36:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Dec 1995 10:55:38 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA17089 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 10:55:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!news.alt.net!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!bingsun2-gw!br00031 From: br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Two Quick questions Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 22:36:21 -0500 Organization: Binghamton University, Binghamton, NY Lines: 11 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.226.1.20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: br00031@bingsun2-gw Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 1. The Dos version I am using is 3.14 beta 18. Is there any reason to get a later version? If yes please point me to the correct directory at columbia 2. I am helping someone who has a Sinclair QL computer connect to the Net. I would prefer to teach them to use kermit. The last time I looked a very old version of kermit had been compiled for the QL. Has a newer version been made for the Sinclair QL? (One that has similair ablities to my MSkermit and Ckermit) Again, please point me to the directory Thanks guys for all your help. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 16 18:49:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Dec 1995 15:51:36 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA26775 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 15:51:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: Alan Wilder Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit on 28.8 modem Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 10:49:31 -0800 Organization: Netcom Lines: 4 Message-Id: <30D314BB.38F2@ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ix-sj29-20.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Netcom-Date: Sat Dec 16 10:53:52 AM PST 1995 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b3 (Win95; I) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi. Thank you for taking the time to look at my question. Would there be any reason why I couldn't use KERMIT on a 28.8 modem? Are there any speacial parameters I would need to set? From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 16 00:05:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:13:37 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA29442 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:12:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cuhknntp!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.hk.net!hk.gin.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl.crl.com!not-for-mail From: randyd@crl.com (Randy Ding) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: k95 telnet, msk3.14/com3 on NT Date: 15 Dec 1995 16:05:37 -0800 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 42 Message-Id: <4at2gh$e75@crl.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks Frank and Joe for K95! Its terrific! I have two small questions.. I am running Windows NT 3.51 patch 2, using RAS to a PPP server, Zoom V.34 modem on com3 (int 5), K95 v1.1.1 (a) how do you keep telnet from auto connecting, example... define TELCRL,- telnet crl.com,- ; this requires an alt-X to continue? input 15 {ogin:},- if success goto telcrl1,- output \13,- input 10 {ogin:},- if fail goto telcrl2,- :TELCRL1,- output randyd\13,- input 10 {assword:},- if fail goto telcrl2,- output mypasswd\13,- :TELCRL2,- connect (b) I first used Kermit 3.14 under NT. When the modem is on com3 it will not echo any characters to the screen, however it communicates just fine, ex: atz resets the modem and atdt dials. Moving the modem to com2 fixes the problem. I used msdos Kermit for many years on com3 with the non-standard interrupt (under dos) and think this is an NT Command-Shell problem. Is this what you believe? Thank you very much.. Randy. randyd@crl.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 16 22:41:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08667 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:42:32 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA00488 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:41:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor Date: 16 Dec 1995 22:41:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <4avhuo$f6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu> <4aua85$f52@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4aua85$f52@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, David A. Johns wrote: : In <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: : : # You are placing new text into a full screen editor. EDT : # wants to move the cursor around as a result, rather than : # simply echoing CR back to MSK. Consequently, what EDT does : # echo comes out as one line overlapping the next on your MSK : # screen, but the text is actually inserted properly. This is : # typical of full screen editors when inserting material in the : # middle (and sometimes even at the end) of a document. Just : # ignore the false echoing and do that screen refresh after : # reentering Connect mode. : : OK, but what about having to keep hitting to keep the upload : going? Does that ring any bells? : Unless you use the SET TRANSMIT command to change things, the TRANSMIT command works by reading a line of text from the source file, stripping the line terminator(s) from it, then sending the line of text, then sending a carriage return, and then waiting for a linefeed to echo back. This simulates exactly what would happen if you were typing the lines of text yourself. Kermit waits a pretty long long time (not sure exactly how long in the case of MS-DOS Kermit) for the linefeed to echo, so if the host does not always echo a linefeed, as evidently EDT does not, there will be a lot of inactivity. MS-DOS Kermit lets you wake up a stuck TRANSMIT by hitting the enter key. Let's see what's really happening. Log into VMS, start EDT, then escape back to MS-DOS Kermit and put it into debugging mode with SET DEBUG SESSION. Then start typing lines into EDT's buffer. What do we see? The first 20 lines or so are echoed as: [L ([L is "insert line", which moves the "[EOB]" indicator down.) Old lines stand still, new lines "go down". Kermit sees the linefeed and immediately sends the next line. But then, when the bottom of the screen is reached, EDT's screen updating method changes. From now it sends explicit screen-formatting codes and no more linefeeds. Old lines "go up", and the new line is always at the bottom, just above the "[EOB]". This explains the symptoms you have seen. Thus there is no single character that can be used by Kermit to serve as an indicator that the line just transmitted has been received. Linefeed only works for the first screen. You could try ESC, but after the first screen there are several ESC characters per line. So first just try: set transmit prompt \0 which means, don't wait for any character -- just keep sending the lines (make sure you've got good flow control). I tried it here on a file that has several hundred lines and EDT accepted it without loss or complaint. But in case this overruns EDT, then you can also "set transmit pause n" to have Kermit pause n milliseconds after sending each line. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 16 22:47:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:48:43 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA00770 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:47:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95 telnet, msk3.14/com3 on NT Date: 16 Dec 1995 22:47:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <4aviaa$nv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4at2gh$e75@crl.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4at2gh$e75@crl.crl.com>, Randy Ding wrote: >I am running Windows NT 3.51 patch 2, using RAS to a PPP server, >Zoom V.34 modem on com3 (int 5), K95 v1.1.1 > >(a) how do you keep telnet from auto connecting, example... > >define TELCRL,- > telnet crl.com,- ; this requires an alt-X to continue? > Don't say "telnet", say "set host". "telnet blah" is equivalent to "set host blah" followed by "if success connect". >(b) I first used Kermit 3.14 under NT. When the modem is on com3 > it will not echo any characters to the screen, however it > communicates just fine, ex: atz resets the modem and atdt dials. > Moving the modem to com2 fixes the problem. > > I used msdos Kermit for many years on com3 with the non-standard > interrupt (under dos) and think this is an NT Command-Shell problem. > Is this what you believe? > I think the standard advice about "can talk but not listen syndrome" from the KERMIT.BWR file applies here -- the most likely cause is that Kermit is listening on one interrupt and the port (or in this case, the "port simulator" that the NT driver presents to Kermit) is using another. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 16 22:54:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09145 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:55:09 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA00931 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:54:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Two Quick questions Date: 16 Dec 1995 22:54:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <4avimd$su@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: >1. The Dos version I am using is 3.14 beta 18. Is there any reason to >get a later version? If yes please point me to the correct directory at >columbia > You can always get current information from our Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Yes, the current version is 3.14, not Beta -- it's always better to go with a real release than a beta. >2. I am helping someone who has a Sinclair QL computer connect to the >Net. I would prefer to teach them to use kermit. The last time I looked >a very old version of kermit had been compiled for the QL. Has a newer >version been made for the Sinclair QL? (One that has similair ablities to >my MSkermit and Ckermit) Again, please point me to the directory > No, sorry. There are two versions of Kermit for the Sinclair QL. Both date from May 1987. They are in the kermit/c/ area in our archive. Just get all the files in that directory whose names start with "ql" and you'll have both versions. It is highly unlikely that they have the same level of functionality as MS-DOS Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 16 22:57:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:58:09 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA01037 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:57:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on 28.8 modem Date: 16 Dec 1995 22:57:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <4avis4$10b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <30D314BB.38F2@ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <30D314BB.38F2@ix.netcom.com>, Alan Wilder wrote: >Would there be any reason why I couldn't use KERMIT on a 28.8 modem? > None whatsoever. >Are there any speacial parameters I would need to set? > See our FAQ for greater details: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt Very briefly: . Set 57600 bps or 115200 bps as the interface speed on your PC and on your modem and "fix" it. . Use RTS/CTS flow control. . Enable error correction and compression in the modem. For fast Kermit file transfers, use a fairly big window size and packet size. Full details in the FAQ. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 16 22:03:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29433 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 17 Dec 1995 02:06:15 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA15945 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 02:06:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!news.alt.net!news1.alt.net!news.exodus.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!news3.digex.net!digex.net!not-for-mail From: rdd@access1.digex.net (R. D. Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help needed with using scripts to send escape character Date: 16 Dec 1995 17:03:59 -0500 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 20 Message-Id: <4avfof$cv3@access1.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: access1.digex.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu While setting up a utility to automate file transfers, using c-kermit (UNIX version) I ran into a problem: I couldn't figure how to automate the sending of an escape sequence. More specifically, after puting the remote kermit into server mode, I can't figure out how to avoid manually entering an escape sequence ( ctrl-\ c ) so that the script running from the other kermit could begin sending commands to the server. Also, I noticed that help shows that there's a "remote kermit command" command, but I got an error message indicating that this wasn't implemented. Thanks in advance for any information that anyone can provide about any of the above questions! -- R. D. Davis * http://www.access.digex.net/~rdd \Computer preservationist. Home: +1 410 744-7964 * Eccentrics have more fun! :-)\Unwanted systems gladly Unconventional Computer Consulting & PERQ Software, \disassembled, removed divs. of Transpower Industries, Inc. +1 410 744-4900 \for free and preserved. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 17 01:13:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04859 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 17 Dec 1995 04:26:34 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA18524 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 04:26:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!wariat.org!odin.oar.net!malgudi.oar.net!infinet!tomlane From: tomlane@infinet.com (Tom Lane) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Zmodem via telnet does not work Date: 17 Dec 1995 01:13:03 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 5 Message-Id: <4avqqv$crc@horus.infinet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: rigel.infinet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to use C-Kermit beetween two HP unix systems. I can use my "sz/rz" zmodem programs OK if I am communicating over modem, but not if I telnet beetween the hosts. I get errors, and I have never gotten it to work. Are there any parameters to set when using telnet. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 17 02:07:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 17 Dec 1995 05:38:32 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA19551 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 05:38:30 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Local printing of Web-browser links. Here's how: Message-Id: Sender: jhurwit@netcom9.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? References: <1746BF3E7.VOGTPATR@MAX.CC.Uregina.CA> <1995Dec6.152006.68951@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 02:07:15 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Dec6.152006.68951@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > Note that a formal Kermit protocol file transfer is vastly superior >to the approach of "transparent printing" (aka, send and hope it gets there >without overruns/losses/whatnot). Without a doubt! I was never able to get ANSI printing to work properly-- even though I had flow control working properly (far as I knew), chunks of material were lost in the transmission. Finally I set up Pine and Tin (when I was using those) to pipe the article/ mail into (C-Kermit 190) 'kermit -s - -a prn'. Works like a charm. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 17 16:48:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27636 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:49:07 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA14294 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:49:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help needed with using scripts to send escape character Date: 17 Dec 1995 16:48:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 60 Message-Id: <4b1hlp$dtr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4avfof$cv3@access1.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4avfof$cv3@access1.digex.net>, R. D. Davis wrote: : While setting up a utility to automate file transfers, using c-kermit : (UNIX version) I ran into a problem: I couldn't figure how to automate : the sending of an escape sequence. More specifically, after puting : the remote kermit into server mode, I can't figure out how to avoid : manually entering an escape sequence ( ctrl-\ c ) so that the script : running from the other kermit could begin sending commands to the : server. : I'd be tempted to add this question and answer to our FAQ if it were not clearly explained in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", chapters 11-13 on script programming, particularly pages 276-277. Here's a hint -- if you're writing an automated procedure that runs by itself, don't put the CONNECT command in it. Use the OUTPUT and INPUT commands instead. (And if it's a TCP/IP connection, use the SET HOST command instead of the TELNET command.) Time out for a commercial message (not aimed personally at the poster or any other individual). The Kermit Project is funded ONLY by the income it generates, primarily from sales of the printed manuals. Kermit's script language is like any other programming language -- C, Fortran, Pascal, PL/I, Visual Basic, etc; you wouldn't think of learning how to program in any of those languages without a manual. Thanks to the phenomenal growth of the Internet and the easy accessibility of Kermit software to everyone in the world, more people are using our software than ever before, and fewer than ever are doing their part to support the Kermit Project -- and to help themselves get the most out of the software -- by purchasing the manuals. Our help-desk workload is skyrocketing while our income takes a nosedive. We'd like to continue our work, but this trend is ominous. For information about the Kermit software manuals and how to get them, see our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ and more specifically: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html And if you don't have a Web browser: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/booklist.doc : Also, I noticed that help shows that there's a "remote kermit command" : command, but I got an error message indicating that this wasn't : implemented. : It's implemented in the C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit clients, but it also needs to be implemented in the Kermit server on the other end. To date, the only Kermit program that implements the server end of "remote kermit" is IBM Mainframe Kermit. You can generally accomplish the same things using other commands, like REMOTE SET and other client/server-oriented commands, also documented in the manual. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 17 17:51:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:43:47 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA20162 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:43:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!xplor.com!news.us.world.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on 28.8 modem Date: 17 Dec 1995 17:51:54 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 28 Message-Id: <4b1lbq$ltg@hustle.rahul.net> References: <30D314BB.38F2@ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Alan Wilder (SarGov@ix.netcom.com) wrote: : Hi. Thank you for taking the time to look at my question. : Would there be any reason why I couldn't use KERMIT on a 28.8 modem? : Are there any speacial parameters I would need to set? As compared to what? If you were using Kermit on a 14.4 modem, and doing well, then the only thing you should investigate is the _fixed_ baud rate to the modem. I find that since most of my transfers are .zip files, a speed over 57600 doesn't improve anything. If you've never used kermit, make sure you read the reference material regarding improved performance. Remember that Kermit works quite well on XT-8088, at 1200 baud. It can be made to work better than the default parameters, if you have the hardware to support higher throughput. My 28.8 Practical Peripherals is quite happy under Win95, MSKermit 3.14. (I saw my Kermit-95 show up on my credit card, so I suppose I'll be receiving it soon ;-) -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 17 18:31:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04550 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:58:09 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA20746 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:58:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor Date: 17 Dec 1995 18:31:36 GMT Lines: 25 Message-Id: <4b1nm8$ra9@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu> <4aua85$f52@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <4avhuo$f6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: # Thus there is no single character that can be used by Kermit # to serve as an indicator that the line just transmitted has # been received. Linefeed only works for the first screen. You # could try ESC, but after the first screen there are several # ESC characters per line. So first just try: # # set transmit prompt \0 # # which means, don't wait for any character -- just keep sending # the lines (make sure you've got good flow control). I tried # it here on a file that has several hundred lines and EDT # accepted it without loss or complaint. # # But in case this overruns EDT, then you can also "set transmit # pause n" to have Kermit pause n milliseconds after sending # each line. Zowie! It works! Thanks a million. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 16 12:29:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 17 Dec 1995 19:38:06 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA00175 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 19:38:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!engr.orst.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!psgrain!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit (5A 190) .zip file transmission problems X-Nntp-Posting-Host: fulton.seas.virginia.edu Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 12:29:51 GMT Lines: 52 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:116717 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4331 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Problem has been solved. And I'm embarrased to say all I needed to do was... set flow none on the sending end. Erik In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: > >Hi, > >We are using C-Kermit (version 5A 190) for OpenVMS, both >on the AXP and VAX platforms to automate file transfers >with several systems all running the same setup. > >All file transmissions work fine except for .zip files. >All files are being transmitted using the "labeled" format. > >.zip file transmissions completely "hang" the modems on >both ends with no system activity showing on either end >and it never times out or fails (causing some large phone bills!). > >We are in the process of double checking all recommendations in >the C-Kermit documentation and CKVINS.DOC to see if there is >a system parameter that is causing our troubles, but wanted >to post to the Internet community to see if anyone has any >ideas or suggestions for us concerning this. > >If this is not solved soon we will be investigating a more failproof >way to transmit files automatically. > >All command procedures, etc have been taken out of the loop and a >straight log-on, initiate C-Kermit "server", drop back to the local >machine and do a C-Kermit "send" causes the "hang". And every once >in a while, but not often, the problem file actually makes it to >where it is supposed to go (could be system activity related). > >Any and all help is greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, > Erik Hatcher >-- > Erik Hatcher > http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h -- Erik Hatcher http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 17 22:52:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19162 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 17 Dec 1995 21:36:57 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA04232 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 21:36:56 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.wctc.net!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor References: <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Organization: SOUP Leaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ, USA) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 22:52:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.88 with YES 0.20.B0509 Message-Id: Lines: 29 X-Info: YES is the Yarn Editor Shell, a freeware utility for Yarn! The best supplement to the best offline newsreader! Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In comp.protocols.kermit.misc on 15 Dec 95 16:50:02 MDT, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) writes: [...] >> If I TRANSMIT into the standard VMS mail editor (send/noedit), the >> message displays properly and I don't have to hit enter on each line. >> The VMS terminal is set to VT100 (and I've tried VT100, VT102, VT220, >> and VT320 in Kermit with no differences). But using the standard >> editor isn't an option because it allows only very short messages >> (512 bytes?). If I remember right, in the standard VMS mail editor, you need to press at the end of each line. Then your messages can be as long as you like. If you *don't* hit enter at the end of each line, then there is a line-limit of 512 characters. Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com current owner of the Children's Rights List current owner of the Minister's Discussion List -- Proud user of MS-Kermit 3.14! Faster than Zmodem! More Robust than any other protocol that is available for hundreds of incompatible platforms! [works on nearly ALL computers!] FTP: kermit.columbia.edu WWW: www.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 18 15:08:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21262 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:47:43 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA20466 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:47:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!agate!ames!news.tulane.edu!usenet From: jmcbray@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu (Jason F Mcbrayer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit Scrollback vs Pageup/down Date: 18 Dec 1995 09:08:18 -0600 Organization: Tulane University Lines: 16 Sender: jmcbray@rs1.tcs.tulane.edu Message-Id: References: <4an0pn$qm4@news-1.starnet.net> <4anc3n$mh6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: rs1.tcs.tulane.edu In-Reply-To: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 13 Dec 1995 20:12:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "JA" == Jeffrey Altman writes: JA> If your application is a DEC VMS app or understands the DEC UpScreen JA> and DownScreen keys try assigning \Kupscn and \Kdnscn to the appropriate JA> keys. JA> If you application is something like emacs with its own Command JA> sequences, assign the command sequence as the SET KEY definition. N.B.: Emacs understands the DEC UpScreen and DownScreen keys if your termcap entry is for a DEC-type terminal (vtxxx). That's true for GNU emacs 19.xx, at least; probably not for emacs 18. -- --------------------------------------------------------------+ Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu | Cosmic indifference sure is a drag. -- Akbar (or is it Jeff?) | From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 18 03:57:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:15:06 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA28053 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:15:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!news.cc.uic.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!u54294 Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, ADN Computer Center Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:57:58 CST From: Message-Id: <95352.095758U54294@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Unix WordPerfect and MSKerm3.14 Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all-- Following the instructions in KERMIT.BWR got my WordPerfect 5.1 on SCO SV386 3.2v4.1 running smoothly. BUT...can someone tell me why removing the VT320 reset from WordPerfect's terminal initialization string should keep MS-Kermit 3.14 from switching character-writing direction? (This was my symptom, anyway). Also, what changed across 3.13-3.14 to cause this to be necessary? Incidentally, for the umpteenth time, thanks to da Cruz, Gianone, Doupnik and the cast of thousands who made Kermit. +------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Just another roller-bearing | Nick Geovanis U54294@uicvm.uic.edu | | ...in the Data Warehouse | Unix software and sysadmin | +------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 18 10:04:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Dec 1995 05:03:22 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA14092 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 05:03:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.smart.net!news From: tfirmin@ghand.smart.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit echo problem Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 17:04:48 PDT Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Lines: 11 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: ghand.smart.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon -- TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am running c-kermit on a SPARC 2, SunOS 4.1. It is echoing back all of the characters that are typed (vveerryy hhaarrdd ttoo rreeaadd). I've tried setting echo off using stty -echo, and setting echo to local. Neither worked. Has anyone had this problem, and if so, how do I fix it? Thanks, Terry From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 19 14:52:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:52:11 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA06825 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:52:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Unix WordPerfect and MSKerm3.14 Date: 19 Dec 1995 14:52:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-Id: <4b6jil$6l7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <95352.095758U54294@uicvm.uic.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <95352.095758U54294@uicvm.uic.edu>, wrote: > Following the instructions in KERMIT.BWR got my WordPerfect 5.1 on > SCO SV386 3.2v4.1 running smoothly. BUT...can someone tell me why > removing the VT320 reset from WordPerfect's terminal initialization > string should keep MS-Kermit 3.14 from switching character-writing > direction? (This was my symptom, anyway). > Our first attempt, circa 1990, at implementing a mechanism by which the host could control the terminal emulator was the "TERMINALR/TERMINALS" macros, which could be invoked by a high-numbered escape sequence we thought would be safe: ESC [ 34 h / l Before choosing this sequence we not only researched the DEC technical manuals, but also made numerous frustrating attempts to contact the authority within DEC that was in charge of assigning new escape sequences to ensure that DEC did not have any plans for this one, and request that they reserve it for us. We were never able to locate the right people. So, perhaps unwisely, we went forward with this feature, and the UNIX and VMS WordPerfect used this feature heavily to dynamically switch key maps. As luck (or Murphy's Law) would have it, DEC subsequently picked this same sequence to control screen-writing direction in its Hebrew-model terminals, and later this sequence found its way into many applications that had nothing to do with Hebrew, as a standard part of the terminal initialization. Soon, users of diverse VMS applications such as DECnotes, All-In-1, etc, began to report that whenever they started up these applications, strange things would happen: a file would begin to transfer, their key map would change, etc. In fact, these were the actions defined in their TERMINALR macros. So we had to give up on the TERMINALS/TERMINALR mechanism in version 3.14 and adopted the far more flexible APC mechanism, and changed Kermit to treat the former TERMINALS/R escape sequence as a screen-writing direction changer. So now users of the "old" WordPerfect and the new Kermit were in for a new surprise -- their screens would come out backwards! In short, both Kermit and WordPerfect had to be changed to get around the conflict between the two uses for the same escape sequence. The tale is told in the KERMIT.BWR file for version 3.14, in the Incompatibilities section, and the new APC mechanism is documented in the KERMIT.UPD file, Section 10. > Incidentally, for the umpteenth time, thanks to da Cruz, > Gianone, Doupnik and the cast of thousands who made Kermit. > On behalf of all of us, you're very welcome! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 19 14:57:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19583 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:57:53 -0500 Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA07000 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:57:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit echo problem Date: 19 Dec 1995 14:57:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <4b6jt9$6ql@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: : I am running c-kermit on a SPARC 2, SunOS 4.1. : It is echoing back all of the characters that : are typed (vveerryy hhaarrdd ttoo rreeaadd). : I've tried setting echo off using stty -echo, : and setting echo to local. Neither worked. : Has anyone had this problem, and if so, how do : I fix it? : Does the double echoing occur in command mode or CONNECT mode? Or both? Does it happen only in C-Kermit, or does it also happen at the shell prompt? Does it occur on the Sun's own workstation screen, or are you coming in to the Sun from some other terminal or emulator? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 19 19:41:00 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA05553 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 19:40:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA29486 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 19:40:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing Kermit 95 Version 1.1.2 Date: 20 Dec 1995 00:40:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 217 Approved: fdc@columbia.edu Message-ID: <4b7m2j$sp9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.announce:14 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4338 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is to announce version 1.1.2 of Kermit 95, which is being issued as a patch to the earlier releases. Kermit 95 is full-featured 32-bit native communications software for Windows 95 and Windows NT 3.51 (Intel platforms only). Kermit 95 is: . A serial communications program . A Telnet client . (and now...) An Rlogin client Offering: . VT320/220/102/100/52 and ANSI terminal emulation . Screen rollback, key mapping, colors, printer & mouse functions . Kermit, ZMODEM, YMODEM, YMODEM-G, and XMODEM file transfer . A powerful script programming language . Character set translation for many character sets . Long filenames, multithreading, Winsock compatibility, etc . Comprehensive manuals For features and performance, Kermit 95 surpasses all the other Windows 95 and NT communications software we've looked at: QmodemPro, WinQVT, NetTerm, CRT, HyperTerminal, EWAN, SimpTerm, and Microsoft Telnet. A feature-by- feature comparison chart of all these packages is included at the end of this message. Kermit 95 version 1.1.2 is available now. It includes the following new features: . RLOGIN connections . Meridian Technology SuperLAT connections . 32-bit ("thunking") Trumpet Winsock connections now supported . 32-bit FTP Software OnNet-32 connections now supported Plus numerous minor new features as well as bug fixes including: . Vertical scrolling problem in Dialer fixed . ANSWER command (for answering modem calls) fixed . Compose key (Alt-C) fixed . SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT fixed to display characters 0x80-0x9F . Various other VT emulation fixes resulting in a perfect(*) VTTEST score . Various printer-related fixes . Various XYZMODEM-related fixes . Ctrl-C can now interrupt stuck file transfers, server mode, etc . Setting title bar from "kermit -j host" fixed The new READ.ME and BUGS.DOC file that come with version 1.1.2 explain all the changes and fixes in detail. If you already have Kermit 95 1.1 or 1.1.1 installed, you may download and apply the patches to upgrade to version 1.1.2: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/k95/patches/ http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html The relevant files are: patch.doc Brief explanation of the patching procedure patch.exe The program to apply the patches w110-112.rtp The patch from version 1.1 to 1.1.2 w110-112.rtd Additional info for the 1.1-to-1.1.2 patch w111-112.rtp The patch from version 1.1.1 to 1.1.2 w111-112.rtd Additional info for the 1.1.1-to-1.1.2 patch If you have an UNZIP program the patches for each upgrade patch are available as ZIP files: w110-112.zip From 1.1 to 1.1.2 w111-112.zip From 1.1.1 to 1.1.2 Or call our BBS to get the patch files. Registered users have the phone number and a login ID. If you don't have Kermit 95 and would like to order it or find out more about it, just visit our Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html And now here is the feature and performance comparison chart. This chart is also available at our Web site, with hot links from each VTTEST score to the corresponding detailed score sheet: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95compare.html. For evaluating VT100/102 terminal emulators, a new scoring system was developed for the VTTEST program. Kermit 95 passes every single test(*), compared to some surprisingly low scores for other VT emulators. (*) Except the host-controlled keyboard autorepeat test, which no PC software supports, and with some noted problems in 132-column mode in Windows 95 only (not Windows NT) due to a bug in the Windows 95 console driver that cannot be worked around. Host: Sun Sparcserver 10, SunOS 4.1.3. Client: IBM PC 750 P90, Windows 95. Connection: Telnet via 10MB Ethernet, client and server on same net. Ripple test: Seconds to scroll 1000 80-character lines on an 80x24 screen. VTTEST score: 1 point for each of 100 tests, plus up to 10 extra-credit points. PROGRAM: K-95 QMPro CRT SimpTerm EWAN NetTerm WinQVT MSTelnet1.0 VERSION: 1.1.2 2.0 1.0B7 0.9.4 1.052 2.7 4.0 Win95 WinNT VTTEST score 105[a] 46 71 61 33 25[b] 59 28[c] 25[c] Ripple test, sec 4 3 11 13 4 21 16 13 8 CHARACTERISTICS K95 QMPro CRT SimpTerm EWAN NetTerm WinQVT MS Telnet 32-bit yes yes yes yes no yes yes yes yes Long file names yes yes yes yes no yes yes n/a n/a Multithread yes yes no no no no no no no Scripting yes yes no no no no [d] no no Preloaded sites 200+ 6 0 0 0 400+ 0 0 0 CONNECTION K95 QMPro CRT SimpTerm EWAN NetTerm WinQVT MS Telnet Serial connections yes yes no no no [b] yes no no TAPI supported no yes n/a n/a n/a ? no n/a n/a Works without TAPI yes no n/a n/a n/a ? n/a n/a n/a Telnet yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes Incoming Telnet yes no no no no no ? no no Rlogin yes no yes yes no no yes no no SOCKS no no yes no no no ? no no Runs in Win 95 yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes - Runs in Win NT yes no yes yes yes ? yes - yes TERMINAL EMULATION K95 QMPro CRT SimpTerm EWAN NetTerm WinQVT MS Telnet VT52 yes yes no yes yes yes yes yes yes VT100 yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes VT102 yes yes yes no no no yes no no VT220 yes yes no no no [e] yes no no VT320 yes yes no no no no no no no ANSI yes yes no yes yes yes yes [e] [e] Scrollback lines 2000K 32K 10K 32K 32K 32K 75? 0 0 132 column mode yes [f] yes yes no yes yes no no Double h/w chars [g] no yes no no no yes no no Resize yes [f] yes yes yes yes yes ? yes NAWS yes [f] yes yes yes ? yes no no Colors yes yes yes yes yes yes yes [h] [h] Transparent print yes [i] no no yes yes yes no no Autoprint yes no no no no yes yes no no Key mapping yes yes [j] [j] yes yes yes no no Compose key yes no no no no no no no no Latin-1 yes [k] no no yes no [L] yes yes Other Roman yes [k] no no no no [L] no no Cyrillic yes [k] no no no no no no no Hebrew yes [k] no no no no no no no Chinese/Japanese no [k] no yes no no no no no FILE TRANSFER K95 QMPro CRT SimpTerm EWAN NetTerm WinQVT MS Telnet Text/binary choice yes no no no n/a no yes n/a n/a Kermit protocol yes [m] no [n] no [o] yes no no Kermit autodownload yes no no yes n/a no no n/a n/a ZMODEM protocol yes yes [n] [n] no yes no no no ZMODEM autodownload yes yes yes yes n/a no n/a n/a n/a YMODEM protocol yes yes no no no no no no no YMODEM-G protocol yes yes no no no no no no no XMODEM protocol yes yes no no no no no no no Max Kermit packet 9024 [m] n/a 2048 n/a n/a 1024 n/a n/a Max Kermit window 32 [m] n/a 1 n/a n/a 1 n/a n/a Latin1 yes [m] n/a no n/a no no n/a n/a Other Roman yes [m] n/a no n/a no no n/a n/a Cyrillic yes [m] n/a no n/a no no n/a n/a Hebrew yes [m] n/a no n/a no no n/a n/a Japanese yes [m] n/a no n/a no no n/a n/a PRICING K95 QMPro CRT SimpTerm EWAN NetTerm WinQVT MS Telnet Single-copy price $54 $99 $30 [p] [q] $20+10 $40+5 [r] [r] Academic license yes no [s] n/a [q] ? [s] [r] [r] Bulk license yes [s] [s] n/a [q] ? [s] [r] [r] Printed manual yes yes no no no yes ? no no NOTES: [a] In Windows NT 3.51. In Windows 95, a Microsoft console driver bug prevents proper writing of attributes to 132-column windows; this lowers the score by 17 points because although 132-column windows are handled correctly, the attributes are wrong. When Microsoft fixes the bug, Kermit 95 will display attributes correctly in 132-column windows as it does now in Windows NT. [b] Crashes [c] Character-set test puts it into graphics mode, can't be reset, must be restarted to finish other tests. [d] Minimal, only two operations. [e] Claims to support this emulation but does not. [f] Not host selectable. 132-column mode, once entered, can never go back to 80-column mode. Responses to resize requests are incorrect when in 132-column mode. [g] Simulated with correct spacing [h] Foreground or background color selectable, but not both. [i] It's an option, but nothing comes out of the printer. [j] Only function ( F ) keys can be mapped [k] All character translations must be supplied by user [L] DEC MCS is the default terminal character set; Latin-1 and ISO 646 German fonts are available to registered users on request. [m] Kermit protocol doesn't work [n] Download only, upload not available [o] Hangs Windows 95, requires reboot [p] Freeware with contributions encouraged. [q] Freeware with support contract available at $495 per year. [r] Bundled with Windows. [s] Additional licensing terms available only on request. Maximum scrollback lines are what the program permits, but the actual usable amount depends on the PC's available physical memory and swap space. Feel free to run your own comparisons. If you find errors in this report, please report them by email to kermit@columbia.edu. Frank da Cruz and Christine Gianone Managers, the Kermit Project Columbia University, New York City From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 19 23:49:45 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA14978 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 23:49:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA08117 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 23:49:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.smart.net!news From: tfirmin@ghand.smart.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit echo problem Date: Tue, 19 Dec 95 15:37:57 PDT Organization: Smartnet Internet Services [via news] Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <4b6jt9$6ql@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ghand.smart.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon -- TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In Article<4b6jt9$6ql@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, write: > Path: news.smart.net!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.new-york.net!news columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc > From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) > Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc > Subject: Re: kermit echo problem > Date: 19 Dec 1995 14:57:45 GMT > Organization: Columbia University > Lines: 18 > Message-ID: <4b6jt9$6ql@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> > References: > NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu > > In article , > wrote: > : I am running c-kermit on a SPARC 2, SunOS 4.1. > : It is echoing back all of the characters that > : are typed (vveerryy hhaarrdd ttoo rreeaadd). > : I've tried setting echo off using stty -echo, > : and setting echo to local. Neither worked. > : Has anyone had this problem, and if so, how do > : I fix it? > : > Does the double echoing occur in command mode > or CONNECT mode? Or both? connect only > Does it happen only > in C-Kermit, or does it also happen at the > shell prompt? only in c-kermit > Does it occur on the Sun's own > workstation screen, or are you coming in to the > Sun from some other terminal or emulator? > I am using xterm on a Sparc 2 to connect to another sun running Solaris > - Frank Terry From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 01:16:35 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA20364 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:16:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA10635 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:16:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!noc.near.net!forest!pcoen From: pcoen@forest.drew.edu (Paul Coen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor Message-ID: <1995Dec19.103913.133876@forest> Date: 19 Dec 95 10:39:13 EST References: <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <4avhuo$f6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Drew University Academic Technology Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4avhuo$f6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > But in case this overruns EDT, then you can also "set transmit pause n" > to have Kermit pause n milliseconds after sending each line. > Another trick, on the VMS side, is to hit ctrl-z and put EDT in line mode (or leave it in line mode, if you're already there) and type INSERT at the * prompt. The cursor will appear to indent, and you can do a transmit. When you're done, hit ctrl-z and you are returned to the *. EDT seems to be far less likely to overrun in insert mode than when running in full screen mode. Actually, this also works better than just doing $ CREATE filename and doing a transmit -- from work, with a network connection, I get overruns trying that (works from home with a slower connection, though). From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 01:29:08 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA20744 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:29:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA10784 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:29:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!uw-beaver!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!columba.udac.uu.se!populus.slu.se!newsmgr From: Gunnar.Magnusson@data.slu.se (Gunnar Magnusson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and Trumpet Winsock together Date: 19 Dec 1995 18:29:58 GMT Organization: SLU Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4b70b6$o89@populus.slu.se> Reply-To: Gunnar.Magnusson@data.slu.se NNTP-Posting-Host: gmagnusson Keywords: kermit,winsock Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It seems to me that it is works running Kermit and Trumpet Winsock (tested ver 2.0B), both using a packet driver. When running Kermit in a DOS-window you must have Winsock programs inactive (for example not fetching mail with Eudora or having Netscape inactive) and vice versa. Have other people the same experience? Can anybody explain more exactly when and why things go wrong? From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 03:59:06 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA25523 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 03:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA13197 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 03:59:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!mayonews.mayo.edu!newsdist.tc.umn.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor Message-ID: <1995Dec19.125645.69832@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Dec 95 12:56:44 MDT References: <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu> <4aua85$f52@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4aua85$f52@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes: > In <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > > # Your are placing new text into a full screen editor. EDT > # wants to move the cursor around as a result, rather than > # simply echoing CR back to MSK. Consequently, what EDT does > # echo comes out as one line overlapping the next on your MSK > # screen, but the text is actually inserted properly. This is > # typical of full screen editors when inserting material in the > # middle (and sometimes even at the end) of a document. Just > # ignore the false echoing and do that screen refresh after > # reentering Connect mode. > > OK, but what about having to keep hitting to keep the upload > going? Does that ring any bells? ----------- I'm not sure where this is leading us. To see what EDT responds please turn on logging (LOG SESSION). Its responses vary depending on where one is in the screen (middle, bottom) and whether material follows the insertion point, full screen or line editing mode, etc. I use EVE (super EDT) a lot, and I put material into it from the Kermit TRANSMIT command several times per day. I press ENTER to keep it going if the editor is being cute with cursor work. That is hardly a bother to me. To avoid all such problems use a line-mode editing system, for which the TRANSMIT command was designed. Yeah, I can hear the groans, so press the ENTER key and let's get on with the job at hand. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 04:44:16 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA27555 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 04:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA13974 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 04:44:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!lamarck.sura.net!guvax.acc.georgetown.edu!guvax.acc.georgetown.edu!nntp Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Resetting screen attributes Message-ID: <1995Dec19.132448.19494@guvax> From: John Fisher Date: 19 Dec 95 13:24:47 -0500 Distribution: world Organization: Information Technology, Georgetown University Nntp-Posting-Host: fisherj.it.georgetown.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Using Kermit 3.14, I connect to an IBM host thru a protocol converter. I Kexit out of that session and start a second session to a UnixWare host. Both sessions startup OK. When I switch back to the Unixware host, I 'take wpunix.ini' to reset all key definitions. When I switch between the 2, the screen attributes on the Unixware host are messed up. Instead of horizontal and vertical lines, I get garbage characters in their place. How can I fix this? From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 09:01:17 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA15543 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:01:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA04821 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:01:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit echo problem Date: 20 Dec 1995 14:01:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 66 Message-ID: <4b94uv$4mg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4b6jt9$6ql@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: : In Article<4b6jt9$6ql@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : wrote: : > In article , : > wrote: : > : I am running c-kermit on a SPARC 2, SunOS 4.1. : > : It is echoing back all of the characters that : > : are typed (vveerryy hhaarrdd ttoo rreeaadd). : > : I've tried setting echo off using stty -echo, : > : and setting echo to local. Neither worked. : > : Has anyone had this problem, and if so, how do : > : I fix it? : > : : > Does the double echoing occur in command mode : > or CONNECT mode? Or both? : : connect only : : > Does it happen only : > in C-Kermit, or does it also happen at the : > shell prompt? : : only in c-kermit : : > Does it occur on the Sun's own : > workstation screen, or are you coming in to the : > Sun from some other terminal or emulator? : : I am using xterm on a Sparc 2 to connect to another sun : running Solaris : So you are engaging in terminal emulation through a series of emulators (xterm and C-Kermit). Only the computer at the far end should be echoing. None of the emulators should be echoing. C-Kermit, when in CONNECT mode, does not echo unless you tell it to with "set duplex half" or "set terminal echo on" (same thing), or unless you are using C-Kermit to make a TELNET connection and the TELNET server on the other end has asked C-Kermit to do the echoing, but then goes ahead and echoes itself anyway. Another possibility would be that you are using a modem or terminal server that has been configured to do its own echoing. So I'll still need more information. Is the connection between the two SPARCs a serial connection or a TELNET connection? If it is a TELNET connection, are you using the standard TELNET TCP port (23) or some other port? Did you issue any "set telnet" commands to C-Kermit prior to making the connection? You can find out what TELNET negotiations took place as follows: 1. Tell C-Kermit to "log debug". 2. Make the connection to the other computer. 3. Observe the double echoing. 4. Log out from the other computer. 5. Exit from C-Kermit. 6. grep ^TELNET debug.log > file The "file" contains all the TELNET negotiations. If the results are not clear, send the file by email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 15:52:52 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA17481 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA19947 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:52:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!isclient.merit.edu!news.corpnet.com!news.voyager.net!voyager.net!vixa!volckaer From: volckaer@vixa.voyager.net () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit w/ SMC8000 :-( Date: 20 Dec 1995 20:05:49 GMT Organization: Voyager Information Networks, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vixa.voyager.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been attempting to get kermit working over my ethernet lan. I have SCO Unix w/ tcp/ip 1.2.0, Netware 3.11, and about 70 PCs. I use SMC network cards (SMC Ultra some new some old (1992)). I can connect to my Novell server just fine. I can connect to my unix server using Lan Workplace tcp/ip just fine. If I attempt to use kermit I can't get it to work. It could be something really simple and I am just overlooking it. I have tried clean booting, using the smc packet driver, and then kermit. No go, unable to connect to host. I have tried ODI drivers, no go. Can anyone add some direction here? A friend of mine has kermit running at his site and suggested checking the frame type on the Unix server. I have been unable to find this. Help...please...thank you.... Jeff Volckaert From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 18:51:48 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25575 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:51:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA26461 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:51:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit w/ SMC8000 :-( Date: 20 Dec 1995 23:51:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4ba7ie$pqr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net>, wrote: : I have been attempting to get kermit working over my ethernet lan. I : have SCO Unix w/ tcp/ip 1.2.0, Netware 3.11, and about 70 PCs. I use SMC : network cards (SMC Ultra some new some old (1992)). I can connect to my : Novell server just fine. I can connect to my unix server using Lan : Workplace tcp/ip just fine. If I attempt to use kermit I can't get it to : work. It could be something really simple and I am just overlooking it. : I have tried clean booting, using the smc packet driver, and then : kermit. No go, unable to connect to host. I have tried ODI drivers, no go. : : Can anyone add some direction here? A friend of mine has kermit running : at his site and suggested checking the frame type on the Unix server. I : have been unable to find this. Help...please...thank you.... : Are you talking about MS-DOS Kermit? Version 3.14? Did you read the NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC file? Very briefly: you can't have two TCP/IP stacks active at the same time on the same network adapter. So either (a) unload LWP whenever you want to make TELNET connections with Kermit, or (b) use Kermit's "set port telapi" communications path. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 18:58:54 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25859 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:58:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA26674 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:58:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.ossi.com!aimnet.com!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!ccnet.com!usenet From: gbernard@dbc.com (Greg Bernard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: modem ats0 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:36:31 GMT Organization: CCnet Communications (510-988-7140 guest) Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4b7pe9$cs5@ccnet2.ccnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.217.9.49 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am not sure if this is the right place for this post or not, but I shall try. I have PC Kermit 3.18 on a Pentium, with a US Robotics 14.4 or 28.8 modem (one at work, one at home). I have a macro in my MSCUSTOM.INI file named goserver that I actually got some help with from this group a few months ago. Ignoring the error handling, it goes something like this: define goserver - set com3 \x3e8 5, - set port 3, - set carrier on, - set server login gbernard gbernard, - set server timeout 0, - server Before I run the macro, I manually issue the command to the modem ats0=3 to tell it to pick on (after?) the third ring. However, if I add the lines: out +++, sleep 1, ats0=3, sleep 1, after the macro definition and the set com3 line, then the modem will *never* pick up - it just rings and rings and rings. So, my brain dead question is, is this a US Robotics modem bug, am I doing something stupid (always a strong possibility), or ??? TIA - any help would be greatly appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 19:35:35 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA27475 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:35:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA27946 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:35:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: modem ats0 Date: 21 Dec 1995 00:35:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4baa4f$r98@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4b7pe9$cs5@ccnet2.ccnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4b7pe9$cs5@ccnet2.ccnet.com>, Greg Bernard wrote: : I have PC Kermit 3.18 on a Pentium, with a US Robotics 14.4 or 28.8 : 3.14, right? : modem (one at work, one at home). I have a macro in my MSCUSTOM.INI : file named goserver that I actually got some help with from this group : a few months ago. Ignoring the error handling, it goes something like : this: : : define goserver - : set com3 \x3e8 5, - : set port 3, - : set carrier on, - : set server login gbernard gbernard, - : set server timeout 0, - : server : Now that the world knows your authentication info, be sure to change it :-) : Before I run the macro, I manually issue the command to the modem : ats0=3 to tell it to pick on (after?) the third ring. However, if I : add the lines: : : out +++, : sleep 1, : ats0=3, : sleep 1, : : after the macro definition and the set com3 line, then the modem will : *never* pick up - it just rings and rings and rings. : Change the lines above to: sleep 1,- out +++,- sleep 1,- out ats0=3\13,- input 2 OK,- - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 20:42:46 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA00109 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA29985 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:42:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!decwrl!enews.sgi.com!lll-winken.llnl.gov!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: modem ats0 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:06:32 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <30d7ed00.293169116@128.230.1.4> References: <4b7pe9$cs5@ccnet2.ccnet.com> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sudial-88.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu gbernard@dbc.com (Greg Bernard) wrote: >Before I run the macro, I manually issue the command to the modem >ats0=3 to tell it to pick on (after?) the third ring. However, if I >add the lines: > > out +++, > sleep 1, > ats0=3, > sleep 1, > >after the macro definition and the set com3 line, then the modem will >*never* pick up - it just rings and rings and rings. Greg, "output ats0=3". :-) - Vince ___ Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/vince.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 20:58:01 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA00679 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:57:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA00455 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:57:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.jsums.edu!despina.neptune.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor Date: 20 Dec 1995 09:31:29 GMT Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4b8l5h$9q3@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <4avhuo$f6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Dec19.103913.133876@forest> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet2.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1995Dec19.103913.133876@forest>, pcoen@forest.drew.edu (Paul Coen) wrote: # Another trick, on the VMS side, is to hit ctrl-z and put EDT # in line mode (or leave it in line mode, if you're already # there) and type INSERT at the * prompt. The cursor will # appear to indent, and you can do a transmit. When you're # done, hit ctrl-z and you are returned to the *. # # EDT seems to be far less likely to overrun in insert mode than # when running in full screen mode. Actually, this also works # better than just doing $ CREATE filename and doing a transmit # -- from work, with a network connection, I get overruns trying # that (works from home with a slower connection, though). And I never thought I'd actually have a use for insert mode! Thanks for a great tip. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 20 20:58:30 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA00698 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA00477 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:58:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.jsums.edu!despina.neptune.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Uploading into EDT editor Date: 20 Dec 1995 09:31:30 GMT Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4b8l5i$9q4@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4aronp$ks5@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1995Dec15.165002.69763@cc.usu.edu> <4aua85$f52@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1995Dec19.125645.69832@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet2.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1995Dec19.125645.69832@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: # I'm not sure where this is leading us. To see what EDT # responds please turn on logging (LOG SESSION). Its responses # vary depending on where one is in the screen (middle, bottom) # and whether material follows the insertion point, full screen # or line editing mode, etc. Yes, as Frank pointed out, using SET TERM PROMPT \0 solves that problem. # I use EVE (super EDT) a lot, and I put material into it # from the Kermit TRANSMIT command several times per day. I # press ENTER to keep it going if the editor is being cute with # cursor work. That is hardly a bother to me. To avoid all such # problems use a line-mode editing system, for which the # TRANSMIT command was designed. Yeah, I can hear the groans, so # press the ENTER key and let's get on with the job at hand. I can use EVE from the command prompt, but for some reason I've never been able to get MAIL to call it up, and that's all I use the VAX for. But a combination of not looking for a prompt and using insert mode seems like the best answer. Thanks for your help. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 21 01:56:43 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA14467 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 01:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA08811 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 01:56:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!news.sprintlink.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!news.rmii.com!thoth.nilenet.com!ra.nilenet.com!gweisz From: gweisz@nilenet.com (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hebrew e-mail, etc Date: 21 Dec 1995 04:28:02 GMT Organization: NileNet, Ltd Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4banoi$5k0@thoth.nilenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ra.nilenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu For those who wish to do hebrew e-mail, and already have a dos PC and a UNIX internet node, things are now pretty easy, particularly if you have mskermit 3.14. we are even hoping that there will be a hebrew mailing list soon. and with mskermit you can even compose hebrew messages in the recent English PINE easily, with the help of some scripts: kermit enables you to write in hebrew characters and see them on your screen going the right way, while the scripts enable you to reverse their actual direction and right justify afterwards. some helpful files have been posted and are available on jerusalem1. e-brew.txt is a cookbook style info file e-brew.zip and its complementary ebrewadd.zip are a quickstart program package that can also serve as a convenient toolkit, and a later program and script package that improves it. the e-brew files are at ftp://ftp.jer1.co.il/pub/software/msdos/communication/e-brew.txt ftp://ftp.jer1.co.il/pub/software/msdos/communication/e-brew.zip ftp://ftp.jer1.co.il/pub/support/offline_mail/ebrewadd.zip the locations might change, but that's where the files are now. i don't want to use up bandwidth here, so anyone interested should contact me for a copy of the full announcement or anything else that i might be able to help with. gideon -- gideon weisz ïåòãâ [boulder, colorado] From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 21 05:36:52 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA22323 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 05:36:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id FAA12159 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 05:36:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dial out with Kermit Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 04:12:43 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <30d8dc69.354467112@128.230.1.4> References: <4baftl$o7g@suncom.rz.hu-berlin.de> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sudial3-167.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu achim.winkler@rz.hu-berlin.de wrote: >Hello ! > >Does anyone know how to locate a modemserver and a available >communcation Devices under UNIX to make a dial out ? >I am connected to a Network and work with UNIX. When I dial in the >Network a Modemserver is logging me in a Mainserver ! >From there I can use Kermit but i cannot dial out ! In most situations, regular folks, like you and me, aren't allowed to dial out after logging in on someone else's UNIX system, even if the system has the capability (which it probably doesn't). If you were on a UNIX host with dial out capability, and you had permission to do so, the procedure would be pretty straightforward (as on my PC running Linux)... start kermit ... set port /dev/cua0 (whatever UNIX device the modem's on) ... set speed xxx ... set flow xxx ... set everything else that needs to be set ... dial ... - Vince ___ Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/vince.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 21 08:57:43 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA07952 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:57:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA02245 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:57:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!suncom.rz.hu-berlin.de!news From: achim.winkler@rz.hu-berlin.de Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dial out with Kermit Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 01:06:12 GMT Organization: Humboldt Universitaet zu Berlin Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4baftl$o7g@suncom.rz.hu-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.20.199.43 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello ! Does anyone know how to locate a modemserver and a available communcation Devices under UNIX to make a dial out ? I am connected to a Network and work with UNIX. When I dial in the Network a Modemserver is logging me in a Mainserver ! >From there I can use Kermit but i cannot dial out ! Two things I donnot know: 1. Where and wich name is the Modemserver ! 2. Wich 'Communication Device' can I use ! Are there some Unix-Commands i can use for ? It would be really nice when answering , cu Chris. PS: I guess a modemserver, but when i set host and try to dial out kermit says 'Call failed " ! Know anyone this Problem ? From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 21 16:47:18 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11203 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:47:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA18106 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:47:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl9.crl.com!not-for-mail From: tuber@crl.com (Mark Tubesing) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for Info... Date: 21 Dec 1995 08:38:34 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4bc2ia$kj5@crl9.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl9.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I apologize for posting these off-topic questions here, but I could find no other groups dealing with async protocols. I am looking for technical information regarding a protocol called X.PC which was developed by Tymnet and released into public domain. More specifically, I'm wanting to contrast its file transfer method with that of ZMODEM, so technical info on ZMODEM is needed as well. If someone could point me in the right direction, that would be great. I appreciate your assistance! --tuber-- tuber@crl.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 21 22:10:01 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29402 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:09:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA28115 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:09:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!istar.net!news1.ottawa.istar.net!fonorola!news.ottawa.istar.net!news.synapse.net!news-admin From: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Making info from K95 Dialer Default Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:41:36 GMT Organization: Synapse Internet [www.synapse.net] Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4bcrbu$lvh@piano.synapse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: windchime-01.synapse.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I have spent some time creating a good default configuration for my telnet sessions (the right background colours, terminal emulation, etc.) within the K95 dialer and would now like to take this and make it the default configuration that is used when I execute "telnet" or "k95" from the command line. How can I achieve this without having to manually enter all the gory details in to my k95.ini? Evan From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 21 22:10:23 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29439 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:10:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA28146 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:10:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!istar.net!news1.ottawa.istar.net!fonorola!news.ottawa.istar.net!news.synapse.net!news-admin From: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:43:39 GMT Organization: Synapse Internet [www.synapse.net] Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: windchime-01.synapse.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Feature request: please change the Kermit dialer to allow you to open multiple connections to the same site when connecting via telnet. It is very frustrating only being able to have 1 connection active to each site in the list. Evan From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 22 08:52:39 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02066 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 08:52:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA26614 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 08:52:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Making info from K95 Dialer Default Date: 22 Dec 1995 13:52:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4bed6v$pvj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4bcrbu$lvh@piano.synapse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4bcrbu$lvh@piano.synapse.net>, Evan Champion wrote: : I have spent some time creating a good default configuration for my : telnet sessions (the right background colours, terminal emulation, : etc.) within the K95 dialer and would now like to take this and make : it the default configuration that is used when I execute "telnet" or : "k95" from the command line. : : How can I achieve this without having to manually enter all the gory : details in to my k95.ini? : In your k95.ini file, temporarily add the following command: set startup-file keep Then start your favorite connection from the Dialer. You will find a text file in the Kermit 95 TMP subdirectory with the same name as the connection you just started. It contains all the commands relevant to that connection, mostly the settings from the notebooks, but also "set host" and "connect" commands at the end. Move all but these final action commands to your K95CUSTOM.INI file. Then remove the "set startup-file keep" command from your K95.INI file. In a forthcoming release, there will be an easier way to save, copy, and propogate collections of settings. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 22 09:08:40 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02759 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:08:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA27141 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:08:37 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times Date: 22 Dec 1995 14:08:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4bee52$qg3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net>, Evan Champion wrote: : Feature request: please change the Kermit dialer to allow you to open : multiple connections to the same site when connecting via telnet. It : is very frustrating only being able to have 1 connection active to : each site in the list. : OK. Although the Dialer can open multiple Telnet connections, the reason it can only open one connection per host is because the connections are keyed by entry name. So until the requested feature is added, you can work around this restriction by making additional entries in the Dialer for the same host, but with different names. Just use the Clone button: "host", "host2", "host3", and so on. You can also use the Quick button to make a second connection, and of course you can also start K95.EXE directly and make connections to any host you with from the prompt, but in these cases you don't get all the settings from the Dialer's notebook pages. But you can get around this by following the hint in the thread, "Connecting to the same host multiple times". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 23 02:01:12 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA26276 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA27972 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:01:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!uw-beaver!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Resetting screen attributes Message-ID: <1995Dec22.200630.69925@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Dec 95 20:06:30 MDT References: <1995Dec19.132448.19494@guvax> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 In article <1995Dec19.132448.19494@guvax>, John Fisher writes: > Using Kermit 3.14, I connect to an IBM host thru a protocol converter. > I Kexit out of that session and start a second session to a UnixWare > host. Both sessions startup OK. When I switch back to the Unixware > host, I 'take wpunix.ini' to reset all key definitions. When I switch > between the 2, the screen attributes on the Unixware host are messed up. > Instead of horizontal and vertical lines, I get garbage characters in > their place. How can I fix this? ----------- Keyboards are inherited between sessions, in the sense that unless instructed otherwise the current keyboard configuration is used for the next NEW session. Once a session has begun then it retains its own keyboard definitions, as it also does for terminal emulation and screen. So you don't need to keep saying "take wpunix.ini" when toggling amongst Telnet sessions. Sort of neat actually. What I don't understand is the meaning of "horizontal and vertical lines." Are they text mode line drawing characters, such as for boxes etc, or are they real graphics mode items? If the former then character sets should move been sessions along with everything else, but your take wpunix.ini may have remodified what the host setup. Perhaps you could elaborate for us. Sorry for the delayed response, but the local NEWS reader was broken for many days and this is as far as it has caught up tonight. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 23 16:28:29 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03706 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 16:28:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA06309 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 16:28:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!news1.vancouver.istar.net!news.vancouver.istar.net!bcr10.bcr.bc.ca!news1.ottawa.istar.net!fonorola!news.ottawa.istar.net!news.synapse.net!news-admin From: evanc@synapse.net (Evan Champion) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Making info from K95 Dialer Default Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 21:09:18 GMT Organization: Synapse Internet [www.synapse.net] Message-ID: <4bhr4u$us@piano.synapse.net> References: <4bcrbu$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bed6v$pvj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: windchime-01.synapse.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Lines: 19 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In your k95.ini file, temporarily add the following command: > set startup-file keep >Then start your favorite connection from the Dialer. You will find a text >file in the Kermit 95 TMP subdirectory with the same name as the connection >you just started. It contains all the commands relevant to that connection, >mostly the settings from the notebooks, but also "set host" and "connect" >commands at the end. Move all but these final action commands to your >K95CUSTOM.INI file. >Then remove the "set startup-file keep" command from your K95.INI file. Works great! Thank you. Evan From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 23 17:50:50 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06199 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 17:50:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA08438 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 17:50:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit w/ SMC8000 :-( Message-ID: <1995Dec23.152619.69940@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Dec 95 15:26:19 MDT References: <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 In article <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net>, volckaer@vixa.voyager.net () writes: > I have been attempting to get kermit working over my ethernet lan. I > have SCO Unix w/ tcp/ip 1.2.0, Netware 3.11, and about 70 PCs. I use SMC > network cards (SMC Ultra some new some old (1992)). I can connect to my > Novell server just fine. I can connect to my unix server using Lan > Workplace tcp/ip just fine. If I attempt to use kermit I can't get it to > work. It could be something really simple and I am just overlooking it. > I have tried clean booting, using the smc packet driver, and then > kermit. No go, unable to connect to host. I have tried ODI drivers, no go. > > Can anyone add some direction here? A friend of mine has kermit running > at his site and suggested checking the frame type on the Unix server. I > have been unable to find this. Help...please...thank you.... > > Jeff Volckaert --------- Did you review the networking notes in the MS-DOS Kermit distribution kit? I'm presuming that you are using MSK on the client that is having trouble. If you haven't then this is a good time to do so, and in particular get file NET.CFG into proper shape (as per the examples in the notes). Recall, use frame kind Ethernet_II with ODI. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 24 05:52:25 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA01211 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 05:52:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA28540 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 05:52:24 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!xplor!news.us.world.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where's the mouse pointer? (K95) Date: 24 Dec 1995 06:22:53 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 56 Message-ID: <4birjt$cl@hustle.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I just installed K-95. Aside from the rather silly DOS batch file use for setup, everything moved cleanly. After warning me that I should make sure that the Windows modem setup was correct, this batch file prompts me individually for each item that I just finished checking in the Windows setup, and then asks me to confirm each line with another carriage return... My Practical Peripherals modem is item 14 on the list. Or is it item 15? They both read the same. Ah, 14 is really some modem that starts with "M", alphabetically just before "P", which really is item 15. The users' guide has enough typos to be distracting. Didn't anyone read it? The default for the backspace is still DEL. True, that is pure VT100, but nobody else has a default like that on a PC emulation program. 600+ entries in the supplied dialer directory? Is that really a feature? A small DOS box as the default connection screen? It's a 32-bit Win95 Console, not DOS? Then why can't I close it with a click on the close button, without getting a DOS-like warning? I really thought I wouldn't mention any of the above, since it does _work_, but if I weren't a Kermit user of 12+ years, I would have taken it back, and used PCPlus 2.1 instead. The ZModem, Kermit, and FTP transfers are each faster than the K-95 versions, in spite of the fact that PCPlus is a 16 bit program. anyway... The real reason for this call is that I can't find my mousie ;-) Marking and pasting seems to work (although the wisdom of reinventing cut and paste in a program that can only be run under windows escapes me). The little yellow highlighting appears when I mark something, and I can easily paste it into another window. I only read the book once, so I can't remember how to paste into the Kermit window. But there is no mouse pointer. I have to guess where it is. Actually, I just start marking wherever I am, and drag the highlight to where I want to start, then let go, and begin a mark again. Tacky as hell, but then this is K95, and I truly believe I must get used to it. I just discovered that a K95 telnet connection, via PPP under Win95, doesn't count as "activity" to Winsock. I got a box indicating that my line had been idle for 20 minutes, did I want to disconnect? This happens with PCPlus, but that isn't a 32 bit program, so it doesn't interface properly with Winsock. Usage does seem to update the count of characters in the little modem box in the task bar. Probably to be dismissed as a Win95 bug. Certainly not the fault of Kermit. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 24 14:17:35 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23876 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 14:17:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA28667 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 14:17:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.u.washington.edu!cs124-7.u.washington.edu From: apardoe@u.washington.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Failure to initialize Date: 24 Dec 1995 10:36:22 EDT Organization: BUILD 10-NOV-95 (0.9.7.6) Lines: 48 Message-ID: <299721600038710apardoe@u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cs124-7.u.washington.edu I'm having a rather odd problem with CKermit 191 for OS/2. I'll admit right off that I don't have the book--I'd like to see Kermit run once before I decide whether or not I want to "buy" it. CKermit will initialize my modem with the ATQ0H0 which generates "OK" (I assume from the modem) and then Modem Hangup OK. Then the initialization string is sent ATwhateverwhatever and there is no response from the modem. My question is this: What is causing CKermit to "find" the modem on the first string and preventing it from "finding" the modem on the second? I'm running a Zoom V.34i 28.8 modem on COM 4 (2e8, IRQ3) with SIO 1.53 and OS/2 Warp fullpack no fixpacks. No other comm program has had a problem finding my modem. For reference, this is the stuff that looked relevant from CKERMOD.INI: set port 4 (putting in port 4 or port com4 changes nothing) set modem hayes set speed 57600 if fail set speed 38400 if fail set speed 19200 if fail set speed 9600 set dial speed-matching off set dial init ATE1Q0V1N1W2X4Y0 (I tried a variety of initialization strings both of my own devices and from other communications packages. The one above just sets all the options. It does set full messages ON.) (There's some code that I believe tells CKermit to skip to the OS/2 section and so here's the OS/2 section...) :OS/2 ; OS/2 customizations... set modem hayes set port com4 set speed 57600 set flow rts/cts ; It uses hardware flow control set terminal apc off ; Change to ON if desired set server display on ; Show file display in server mode too Thanks, I'd appreciate knowing what's up. There seem to be no good comm packages for OS/2 but Kermit looks unassuming and powerful...a rare combination in '95. apardoe@u.washington.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 24 14:46:00 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24717 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 14:46:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA29288 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 14:45:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!homer.alpha.net!mvb.saic.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!usc!newshub.csu.net!news.Cerritos.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!jshin From: jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: c-kermit script file Date: 24 Dec 1995 19:07:49 GMT Organization: University of Arizona Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4bk8e5$ck2@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: aruba.ccit.arizona.edu hi, netters, i'm using c-kermit(190) on ultrix for dial up connection to school. is anybody willing to send me their sample script files to log in? TIA - jae From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 24 23:07:56 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA11696 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 23:07:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA20944 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 23:07:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!xpat.postech.ac.kr!cyberspam!usenet From: caradoc@neta.com (Santa ) Message-ID: Control: cancel <4bkkc4$9el@news1.goodnet.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc X-Cancelled-By: jem@xpat.postech.ac.kr Subject: cmsg cancel <4bkkc4$9el@news1.goodnet.com> Date: Mon, 25 Dec 1995 07:54:32 KST Approved: y Lines: 3 UDP SPAM cancelled by jem@xpat.postech.ac.kr. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 03:56:09 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA22635 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 03:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA27190 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 03:56:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sesqui.net!news.worldcom.com!news.lei.net!coconut!news.enteract.com!news.voyager.net!voyager.net!vixa!volckaer From: volckaer@vixa.voyager.net () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit w/ SMC8000 :-( Date: 22 Dec 1995 13:16:57 GMT Organization: Voyager Information Networks, Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4beb49$68v@vixa.voyager.net> References: <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net> <4ba7ie$pqr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vixa.voyager.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net>, wrote: : : I have been attempting to get kermit working over my ethernet lan. I : : have SCO Unix w/ tcp/ip 1.2.0, Netware 3.11, and about 70 PCs. I use SMC : : network cards (SMC Ultra some new some old (1992)). I can connect to my : : Novell server just fine. I can connect to my unix server using Lan : : Workplace tcp/ip just fine. If I attempt to use kermit I can't get it to : : work. It could be something really simple and I am just overlooking it. : : I have tried clean booting, using the smc packet driver, and then : : kermit. No go, unable to connect to host. I have tried ODI drivers, no go. : : : : Can anyone add some direction here? A friend of mine has kermit running : : at his site and suggested checking the frame type on the Unix server. I : : have been unable to find this. Help...please...thank you.... : : : Are you talking about MS-DOS Kermit? Version 3.14? Did you read the : NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC file? : Very briefly: you can't have two TCP/IP stacks active at the same time on : the same network adapter. So either (a) unload LWP whenever you want to : make TELNET connections with Kermit, or (b) use Kermit's "set port telapi" : communications path. : - Frank Yes, I am attempting to use MS-DOS 3.14. I've read over the setup.doc numerous times. When I try to use Kermit I use a different net.cfg so LWP isn't in the picture. I have tried a clean boot with the F5 key, then loading the pkt8000 packet utility, then running kermit. This doesn't work either. :-( What is the "set port telapi" function? I take it this will use the LWP tcp/ip stack. Can kermit 3.14 use Windows 95 tcp/ip stack? Thanks, Jeff Volckaert From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 11:04:15 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15086 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 11:04:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA21846 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 11:04:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Failure to initialize Date: 25 Dec 1995 15:44:29 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 64 Message-ID: <4bmgst$2l7@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <299721600038710apardoe@u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu apardoe@u.washington.edu writes: >I'm having a rather odd problem with CKermit 191 for OS/2. I'll admit >right off that I don't have the book--I'd like to see Kermit run once >before I decide whether or not I want to "buy" it. > >I'm running a Zoom V.34i 28.8 modem on COM 4 (2e8, IRQ3) with SIO 1.53 >and OS/2 Warp fullpack no fixpacks. No other comm program has had a >problem finding my modem. I have a similar setup, with a Boca 28.8 internal on COM 3 (3E8, IRQ5) > >For reference, this is the stuff that looked relevant from CKERMOD.INI: > >set port 4 >(putting in port 4 or port com4 changes nothing) You're not also using COM2 at the same time are you? IRQ3 is usually claimed by COM2 > > set modem hayes > set speed 57600 > if fail set speed 38400 > if fail set speed 19200 > if fail set speed 9600 > set dial speed-matching off Don't think you want to mess with that. You should connect at a fixed rate and let your modem do the speed management. > >set dial init ATE1Q0V1N1W2X4Y0 >(I tried a variety of initialization strings both of my own devices and >from other communications packages. The one above just sets all the >options. It does set full messages ON.) > >(There's some code that I believe tells CKermit to skip to the OS/2 >section and so here's the OS/2 section...) > >:OS/2 ; OS/2 customizations... >set modem hayes >set port com4 >set speed 57600 >set flow rts/cts ; It uses hardware flow control >set terminal apc off ; Change to ON if desired >set server display on ; Show file display in server mode too > My CKERMOD.INI set port 3 set modem hayes set speed 115200 set carrier off set flow rts/cts There are a few extraneous statements like: define cso dial 5552020, while failure {dial L}, echo \7Made it!\7, connect which I use do dial a busy system, and ring the bell when it finally makes it, but that's all that I use for line control. -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 13:10:58 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19452 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 13:10:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA25329 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 13:10:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!gandalf.rutgers.edu!not-for-mail From: lclarke@gandalf.rutgers.edu (Lee Clarke) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Question about NT and kermit 95 telnet. Date: 25 Dec 1995 12:40:28 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4bmnmc$gka@gandalf.rutgers.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: gandalf.rutgers.edu I run a Windows NT Server and need to telnet into it. I want to know how Kermit95 supports this. Does it set itself up as a service? Is it graphical to the client? thanks. -- _________________________________________________________________ Lee Clarke, Sociology, Rutgers University, New Brunswick, NJ 08903 lclarke@rci.rutgers.edu, 908/445-5741 fax:908/445-0974 http://www-rci.rutgers.edu/~lclarke From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 16:38:55 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26260 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 16:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA00943 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 16:38:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit w/ SMC8000 :-( Date: 25 Dec 1995 21:38:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4bn5lb$td@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net> <4ba7ie$pqr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4beb49$68v@vixa.voyager.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4beb49$68v@vixa.voyager.net>, wrote: >Yes, I am attempting to use MS-DOS 3.14. I've read over the setup.doc >numerous times. When I try to use Kermit I use a different net.cfg so >LWP isn't in the picture. I have tried a clean boot with the F5 key, >then loading the pkt8000 packet utility, then running kermit. This >doesn't work either. :-( > I don't know what pkt8000 is. But if you are running Kermit directly over the appropriate packet driver for the SMC network board, and the packet driver and the board agree about which interrupt is used for communication, and you aren't doing this under Windows, then it should work. If you are doing it under Windows 3.x, then you'll also need to insert the WINPKT shim, as documented in NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC. >What is the "set port telapi" function? I take it this will use the LWP >tcp/ip stack. > Yes. It is documented in section 4.2 of NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC. > Can kermit 3.14 use Windows 95 tcp/ip stack? > No. For this you need Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 16:41:08 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26374 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 16:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA00982 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 16:41:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news4.ner.bbnplanet.net!news3.near.net!news.champlain.edu!news From: Wayne Buttles Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit95 help - turning off status/mode line Date: Mon, 25 Dec 1995 16:02:42 -0800 Organization: Champlain College of Vermont Lines: 16 Message-ID: <30DF3BA2.5978@champlain.edu> Reply-To: buttles@champlain.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: home.fdisk.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b2 (Windows; I; 32bit) I got Kermit 95 for the express reason that it could do full screen telnet sessions under Win95. I can't for the life of me, however, figure out how to turn off the status bar at the bottom of the screen. I really need a 25 char high window since I am running remote dos sessions via telnet. Also, can I turn off scrollback, or just remap the keys so that page up/down send the proper commands? I think I can figure out how to remap this, but if there is an easy answer then that would be great. I really need a full keyboard mapping for dos including f1-12 with shift, ctrl, and alt too so if anyone has tricks on dooing this that would be great, but the first question is # 1 -- the rest I can work around. Thanks in advance. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 17:43:46 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28432 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 17:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA02748 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 17:43:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!homer.alpha.net!news.jersey.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: c-kermit script file Date: 25 Dec 1995 22:16:25 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4bn7rp$3tn@hustle.rahul.net> References: <4bk8e5$ck2@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Jae H Shin (jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu) wrote: : i'm using c-kermit(190) on ultrix for dial up connection to school. : is anybody willing to send me their sample script files to log in? Piles of scripts on columbia.edu. Most of them are more complicated than they need to be. Some are included in the ckermit .zip files. Have a look at the modem dialer scripts and improvise. It's not difficult at all for a simple connection. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 17:57:05 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28792 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 17:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA03016 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 17:57:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!homer.alpha.net!news.jersey.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where's the mouse pointer? (K95) Date: 25 Dec 1995 22:32:13 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4bn8pd$4ce@hustle.rahul.net> References: <4birjt$cl@hustle.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Clarence Dold (dold@rahul.net) wrote: : anyway... The real reason for this call is that I can't find my mousie ;-) : Marking and pasting seems to work (although the wisdom of reinventing cut : and paste in a program that can only be run under windows escapes me). Hey! Now I have a mouse pointer. It appears that changing the mouse pointer color from black to black in the K-95 dialer "terrminal" options caused a black cursor-block to appear. I didn't change anything, I just clicked on the down-arrow to see what was available, then "saved" the edit session. One problem down. In my first attempt to register for the Kermit support BBS, I "entered" past the serial number prompt. Now it doesn't think I am a registered user, and I don't see any place to plug in my serial number. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 18:11:13 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29332 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 18:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA03557 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 18:11:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where's the mouse pointer? (K95) Date: 25 Dec 1995 23:11:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 187 Message-ID: <4bnb2e$3f3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4birjt$cl@hustle.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4birjt$cl@hustle.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: > > I just installed K-95. > Aside from the rather silly DOS batch file use for setup, > It's not a DOS batch file -- it's a program, SETUP.EXE. It does what it needs to do. Nevertheless, we will have a GUI installation program (that does exactly the same thing, more or less, but looks prettier :-) soon, since first impressions do indeed seem to count for much. > ... everything moved cleanly. After warning me that I should make sure > that the Windows modem setup was correct, this batch file prompts me > individually for each item that I just finished checking in the Windows > setup, and then asks me to confirm each line with another carriage > return... > We *could* say that because the accuracy of this information is so important to the correct functioning of the program, that we make you go through it again for safety. But the fact is, as you have probably learned by now (by reading the BUGS.DOS file), the Microsoft Telephony (TAPI) capability is not yet active, and so Kermit 95 is presently unable to get this information from Windows, as it should be able to do. TAPI is an advertised and essential feature of Kermit 95, and as soon as we can get it working, it will be available to you as a patch, and the SETUP program will no longer have to for this information. > My Practical Peripherals modem is item 14 on the list. > Or is it item 15? They both read the same. > Ah, 14 is really some modem that starts with "M", alphabetically just > before "P", which really is item 15. > Oops! Nobody reported this before -- you're right, it's a bug in the setup program. Item 14 is really Multitech; Item 15 is Practical Peripherals. Thanks for noticing & reporting this one! > The users' guide has enough typos to be distracting. Didn't anyone > read it? > We'd be happy to receive a list of the ones you've noticed. > The default for the backspace is still DEL. True, that is pure VT100, > but nobody else has a default like that on a PC emulation program. > Well, that's arguable. This one falls into the "you can't please everybody" category. As many readers know, some hosts and services want you to send DEL (Rubout, ASCII 127) to erase a character, others want you to send Backspace (ASCII 8). You can read the long story about this in our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt In any case, which default are you talking about? Each Dialer entry has its own setting for this. If any of them are wrong, we'd like to know. If you run K95.EXE without the Dialer, or you create a new Dialer entry without cloning an existing one, then in that case we might say the "default default" is DEL. It has to be something. You can change it on a per-connection basis in the Dialer entry's keyboard page. To change the default for new entries, change it in the DEFAULT entry. To change the default when running K95.EXE without the Dailer, put: set key \264 \8 in your K95CUSTOM.INI file. There is very little in Kermit 95 that you cannot change to suit your preferences. > 600+ entries in the supplied dialer directory? Is that really a feature? > A lot of people think so. You don't have to use them or keep them if you don't want to (see notes in BUGS.DOC and in our FAQ). But even then, many of them make good models that people use for creating their own entries quickly. It's easier than issuing sixty SET commands, no? > A small DOS box as the default connection screen? > It's a 32-bit Win95 Console, not DOS? > It is a 32-bit Windows 95 console window. There is nothing DOS about this program. It is indeed unfortunate that it *looks* like DOS (and that Windows insists on inserting the DOS icon into the Title bar, even though K95.EXE has its own built-in icon), but that's how Windows 95 consoles look. > Then why can't I close it with a click on the close button, without > getting a DOS-like warning? > Windows 95 does not pass the Close message to console applications. Clearly, there are many disadvantages to console mode. In our FAQ we discuss our reasons for releasing Kermit 95 initially as a console application. Now we are working on converting it to a full GUI application, which registered users will receive at no additional cost. In the meantime, let's not forget what the program actually *does*, as compared with how it looks. See the comparisons of Kermit 95 with other Windows 95 and NT communication applications on the Kermit 95 Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html > I really thought I wouldn't mention any of the above, since it does > _work_, but if I weren't a Kermit user of 12+ years, I would have taken > it back, and used PCPlus 2.1 instead. The ZModem, Kermit, and FTP > transfers are each faster than the K-95 versions, in spite of the fact > that PCPlus is a 16 bit program. > We benchmarked Procomm Plus 2.0 against Kermit a couple years ago and did not find this to be true. We have not yet had the opportunity to run benchmarks against version 2.1. But we did perform benchmarks against HyperTerminal 1.0 using a V.34 modem connection with the following results (see http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95hyper.html for details): HyperTerminal Kermit 95 Kermit Text file: 557 cps 5573 cps Kermit ZIP file: 453 cps 3206 cps Zmodem Text file: 5148 cps 5461 cps Zmodem ZIP file: 3241 cps 3263 cps What did you get with Procomm? > Anyway... The real reason for this call is that I can't find my > mousie ;-) Marking and pasting seems to work (although the wisdom > of reinventing cut and paste in a program that can only be run under > windows escapes me). > Kermit 95 includes its own mouse handler that lets you do things faster than Windows would (such as select-and-paste in one movement) and that lets you do things that Windows does not let you do (such as steer the terminal cursor as if you were punching arrow keys lots of times). These things are documented on pages 55-58 of "Kermit 95". If you do not like Kermit 95's mouse features, you can bypass them by using the Windows editing buttons on the Toolbar. > The little yellow highlighting appears when I mark > something, and I can easily paste it into another window. I only read > the book once, so I can't remember how to paste into the Kermit window. > It's in there. Granted it might not be totally intuitive, but once you learn it, it becomes very handy: Hold down the Ctrl key, use mouse button 1 to select the desired text, release button 1. The selected text is transmitted. If you select without holding down the Ctrl key, the text goes to the Windows Clipboard. Then you can still paste the selected text with Shift-Insert, as in other Windows apps. If you don't happen to like these particular physical mechanisms, you can change them. Kermit 95's mouse actions are fully remappable to any mouse buttons -- or keys! -- and any combination of mouse buttons or keys with Ctrl, Alt, or Shift. > But there is no mouse pointer. I have to guess where it is. Actually, > I just start marking wherever I am, and drag the highlight to where I > want to start, then let go, and begin a mark again. Tacky as hell, but > then this is K95, and I truly believe I must get used to it. > I'm not sure what you mean here -- The Windows mouse pointer is fully operative and in evidence. The only difference between Kermit marking and Windows marking is the shape and coloration of the selected text: Kermit 95's built-in selection mechanism strips trailing blanks, rather than the Windows style "select a rectangle and fill empty spaces with blanks". The Kermit way turns out to be more useful in a communications setting, but you don't have to use it if you don't want to -- just use the Mark, Copy, and Paste buttons on the toolbar. > I just discovered that a K95 telnet connection, via PPP under Win95, > doesn't count as "activity" to Winsock. I got a box indicating that my > line had been idle for 20 minutes, did I want to disconnect? This > happens with PCPlus, but that isn't a 32 bit program, so it doesn't > interface properly with Winsock. Usage does seem to update the count of > characters in the little modem box in the task bar. > > Probably to be dismissed as a Win95 bug. Certainly not the fault > of Kermit. > Not necessarily a bug in Windows 95 or anywhere. TCP/IP in general, and Winsock in particular, do not have any special low-level "keep alive" mechanism. The only way to tell if a connection is alive is for the application itself to send or read data. But it's not necessarily the place of a terminal program to do this automatically on your behalf. Perhaps there is some setting in the Windows 95 Registry you can change to eliminate the warning box, or adjust the trigger to a time interval that you like better. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 18:27:05 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29885 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 18:27:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA04127 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 18:27:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Failure to initialize Date: 25 Dec 1995 23:27:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 48 Message-ID: <4bnc04$40r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <299721600038710apardoe@u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <299721600038710apardoe@u.washington.edu>, wrote: : I'm having a rather odd problem with CKermit 191 for OS/2. I'll admit : right off that I don't have the book--I'd like to see Kermit run once : before I decide whether or not I want to "buy" it. : : C-Kermit will initialize my modem with the ATQ0H0 which generates "OK" : (I assume from the modem) and then Modem Hangup OK. Then the initialization : string is sent ATwhateverwhatever and there is no response from the : modem. My question is this: What is causing CKermit to "find" the modem : on the first string and preventing it from "finding" the modem on the : second? : It sounds as if the modem, upon being hung up, is reverting to some different state. Many types of modems have options to do this, which are often governed by a command such as &Cx. When dialing, Kermit hangs up the modem for you automatically prior to dialing to ensure that (a) it can dial, and (b) that the modem is in command mode. But practically everything that one does in data communications is risky. Thus, Kermit has dozens and dozens of commands that let you tailor it to nearly every conceivable set of circumstances. Hence the big thick manual -- to explain all these commands and why they are needed. Try the following: SET MODEM HAYES SET DIAL INIT ATQ0W1&D2S95=47X4S37=11&K3S82=128&Q5S36=7S46=138S38=1\13 SET PORT COM4 SET SPEED 57600 SET DIAL SPEED-MATCHING OFF SET FLOW RTS/CTS SET DIAL DISPLAY ON ; <-- watch the modem dialog SET DIAL HANGUP OFF ; <-- don't hang up as part of the dialing process and then DIAL a number. If that works, fine. If not, get back to us with specifics about what happens in the modem dialog and we can take it from there. : Thanks, I'd appreciate knowing what's up. There seem to be no good comm : packages for OS/2 but Kermit looks unassuming and powerful...a rare : combination in '95. : Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 18:36:16 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00336 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 18:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA04331 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 18:36:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit w/ SMC8000 :-( Message-ID: <1995Dec25.154622.69999@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Dec 95 15:46:22 MDT References: <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net> <4ba7ie$pqr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4beb49$68v@vixa.voyager.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 46 In article <4beb49$68v@vixa.voyager.net>, volckaer@vixa.voyager.net () writes: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > : In article <4b9qat$4im@vixa.voyager.net>, wrote: > : : I have been attempting to get kermit working over my ethernet lan. I > : : have SCO Unix w/ tcp/ip 1.2.0, Netware 3.11, and about 70 PCs. I use SMC > : : network cards (SMC Ultra some new some old (1992)). I can connect to my > : : Novell server just fine. I can connect to my unix server using Lan > : : Workplace tcp/ip just fine. If I attempt to use kermit I can't get it to > : : work. It could be something really simple and I am just overlooking it. > : : I have tried clean booting, using the smc packet driver, and then > : : kermit. No go, unable to connect to host. I have tried ODI drivers, no go. > : : > : : Can anyone add some direction here? A friend of mine has kermit running > : : at his site and suggested checking the frame type on the Unix server. I > : : have been unable to find this. Help...please...thank you.... > : : > : Are you talking about MS-DOS Kermit? Version 3.14? Did you read the > : NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC file? > > : Very briefly: you can't have two TCP/IP stacks active at the same time on > : the same network adapter. So either (a) unload LWP whenever you want to > : make TELNET connections with Kermit, or (b) use Kermit's "set port telapi" > : communications path. > > : - Frank > Yes, I am attempting to use MS-DOS 3.14. I've read over the setup.doc > numerous times. When I try to use Kermit I use a different net.cfg so > LWP isn't in the picture. I have tried a clean boot with the F5 key, > then loading the pkt8000 packet utility, then running kermit. This > doesn't work either. :-( > > What is the "set port telapi" function? I take it this will use the LWP > tcp/ip stack. Can kermit 3.14 use Windows 95 tcp/ip stack? --------- First, to avoid endless exchanges how about publishing your net.cfg file and the commands you use to load the components? I will guess you have not properly filled in the Protocol IP etc phrases in the link driver section. Second, Telapi.exe is a Novell program providing Telnet access on top of their LWP/DOS TCP/IP stack. It is an item shipped with (and priced as part of) LWP/DOS. Thus it is not available from third parties. Third, for the Nth time (readers please do take note) Windows TCP/IP stacks are for only that: pure Windows programs. That's the winsock part of things. No pure Windows comms program then no comms that way. Kind of restrictive if you don't run Windows all the time. In addition, no two or more protocol stacks of the same kind over the same comms board, please. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 18:37:07 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00381 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 18:37:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA04338 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 18:37:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Question about NT and kermit 95 telnet. Date: 25 Dec 1995 23:37:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-ID: <4bncj0$47g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4bmnmc$gka@gandalf.rutgers.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4bmnmc$gka@gandalf.rutgers.edu>, Lee Clarke wrote: >I run a Windows NT Server and need to telnet into it. >I want to know how Kermit95 supports this. Does it >set itself up as a service? Is it graphical to >the client? thanks. > Kermit 95 is a Telnet client, not a Telnet server. There are numerous postings on the Windows NT newsgroups about where to get Telnet servers for NT -- and also asking where to get them for Windows 95. A Telnet server is strictly Text mode -- as is a Telnet client. If you want a graphical image of the Windows NT GUI screen, and you want to be able to use your mouse and local keyboard to affect the remote NT system as if you were using the built-in ones, that is not a job for Telnet, which is a platform-independent protocol for establishing interactive TERMINAL connections. Rather, it's a job for specialized platform-and-hardware dependent "screen scraping" software. I personally do not keep up with this market and cannot recommend anything, so you're best off posting a query to the appropriate Windows NT newsgroups if that is what you need. However, this does not mean that Kermit 95 is not without its uses in this situation. A Kermit 95 server can be set up on a Windows NT or Windows 95 system to listen for incoming connections on any desired socket from a Kermit Telnet client (such as Kermit 95, MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit, etc). Once the connection is made, all the client/server features of the Kermit protocol can be used: uploading, downloading, directory listings, exchange of variables, file management, etc etc, with various degrees of security built in. The same type of arrangement can be made to accept incoming modem calls. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 25 19:09:04 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01578 for ; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 19:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA05183 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Dec 1995 19:09:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit95 help - turning off status/mode line Date: 26 Dec 1995 00:08:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 78 Message-ID: <4bneeq$51r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <30DF3BA2.5978@champlain.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <30DF3BA2.5978@champlain.edu>, Wayne Buttles wrote: : I got Kermit 95 for the express reason that it could do full screen : telnet sessions under Win95. I can't for the life of me, however, : figure out how to turn off the status bar at the bottom of the : screen. I really need a 25 char high window since I am running : remote dos sessions via telnet. : Alas, that is one thing you can't do. Theoretically, you should be able to choose any number of lines at all, within reason. If you could choose 26 lines, then you'd have a 25-line terminal screen plus the status line. The Windows-32 API includes a feature to let a console application (such as Kermit 95, for the present) choose the screen dimensions. In Windows NT it works just fine -- any reasonable combination of screen rows and columns is supported, and switching proceeds smoothly. In Windows 95, however, this only works for a very short list of screen lengths, and only for one screen width (80). The Windows 95 bug is documented in the BUGS.DOC file. The symptom is that if you attempt to set a non-kosher screen height or width, such as (in your case, 26x80), then the instant Kermit tries to set any of the character-cell attributes (color, brightness, etc) within such a window, a General Protection Fault results. To work around this bug, Kermit 95 (in Windows 95 only, not in Windows NT) does not set any attributes in such screens. Hence (for example) the odd appearance of 132-column screens in Windows 95 (but not in Windows NT). So, for example, you can (and I just did): set terminal height 25 ; Note: this does not include the status line connect and get a 25-line screen (plus a status line). But (in my case at least) the screen is all black and white. The other problem is that, having set an "odd" screen size, you can't run the application in full screen mode. Alt-Enter causes an alert box to pop up. And finally (to answer your question), there is presently no way to disable the status line. When the full GUI version of Kermit 95 is released, we will be freed from the limitations and bugs of console mode and you will be able to select any screen dimensions (and font size, etc) you want. Which brings us back to your opening sentence: : : I got Kermit 95 for the express reason that it could do full screen : telnet sessions under Win95. : When you say "full screen telnet session", are you specifically referring to console-mode sessions such as the one Kermit 95 gives you now? If Kermit 95 were a GUI application, rather than a console application, would that adversely affect your requirement for a full-screen telnet session, assuming (of course) that the GUI terminal window could be maximized? : Also, can I turn off scrollback, or just remap the keys so that page : up/down send the proper commands? I think I can figure out how to : remap this, but if there is an easy answer then that would be great. : You can do either one or both. It's all in the manual. But when you say "page up/down send the proper commands", what do you think the proper commands are? I'm beginning to think that what you are really looking for is "PCTERM" emulation. Kermit 95 does not include that, and is not advertised as including it. It's on our list -- along with many other things -- for future enhancements. : I really need a full keyboard mapping for dos including f1-12 with : shift, ctrl, and alt too so if anyone has tricks on dooing this that : would be great, but the first question is # 1 -- the rest I can work : around. : As noted, you can map any key or key combination to send anything you want it to send. But if you are looking for keys to send "make-break" (up/down) codes, that's another story. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 26 00:03:14 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA11079 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 00:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA13416 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 00:03:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cville-srv.wam.umd.edu!cabal From: cabal@citadel.umd.edu (Arcadio A. Sincero) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.sendmail Subject: Re: How to mail when you've no TCP/IP, UUCP, etc. Kermit? Date: 26 Dec 1995 04:25:18 GMT Organization: Citadel Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4bntfe$i2q@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> References: <4as15o$p6t@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> Reply-To: lotu@wam.umd.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: rac4.wam.umd.edu X-Newsreader: slrn (0.8.4) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4378 comp.mail.misc:26011 comp.mail.sendmail:25633 In article <4as15o$p6t@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu>, Bake Timmons wrote: >Hi all, > > We dial in to a VMS account and there's no chance of getting anything > set up on that end except kermit. Is it possible to use our Linux box > at home with cron and kermit to automatically send and receive the > internet mail to and from our VMS account. Thanks! I'll summarize if > response warrants. Sorry for not emailing 'ya instead. I still haven't figure out how to get email working on my Linux box yet. Anyhow ... This is just an idea. You might wanna try runnin' SLiRP on your VMS account. SLiRP is a TCP/IP emulator ... it'll letcha set up a SLIP/PPP link from a UNIX shell! Real handy. There are some limitations, but I haven't run into any major ones yet. Might be worth a try. You can obtain a copy from sunsite. -- ============================================================================== Arcadio Alivio Sincero, Jr. Sophmore, Computer Science Major at the University of Maryland at College Park Send all replies to: lotu@wam.umd.edu email: lotu@wam.umd.edu www: "Save the whales .... collect the whole set!" ============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 26 14:44:13 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA20755 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 14:44:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA13595 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 14:44:09 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!pdn.eng.paradyne.com!news.palantir.com!news.IntNet.net!jtomich From: jtomich@IntNet.net (Jeff Tomich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: TCP/IP with OS/2 Help? Date: 25 Dec 1995 22:53:12 GMT Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4bna0o$120@mercury.IntNet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: xcalibur.intnet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Subject: TCP/IP with OS/2 Help? Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Summary: Keywords: X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] If I'm running OS/2 Warp Connect on my Home box and my office box, both have installed TCP/IP can I use Kermit to connect via TCP/IP to either machine? If so, any help would be appreciated. thanks, Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 26 16:31:19 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25678 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 16:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA15698 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 16:31:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: TCP/IP with OS/2 Help? Date: 26 Dec 1995 21:31:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-ID: <4bppj1$fag@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4bna0o$120@mercury.IntNet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4bna0o$120@mercury.IntNet.net>, Jeff Tomich wrote: > If I'm running OS/2 Warp Connect on my Home box and my office box, both > have installed TCP/IP can I use Kermit to connect via TCP/IP to either > machine? If so, any help would be appreciated. > Yes. Assuming you are using OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) (the current version of C-Kermit for OS/2), you can tell it to wait for a connection and then go into server mode. Then you can Telnet to it from any other Kermit program (such as C-Kermit on your other OS/2 system) and give SEND, GET, REMOTE xxx, BYE, and FINISH commands to transfer and manage files. To tell OS/2 C-Kermit to wait for an incoming TCP/IP connection, do something like this: C-Kermit> define listen set host * 3000, if success server C-Kermit> listen "3000" is the TCP port to listen on. If you leave this out, the default Telnet port (23) is used. If you want to allow multiple consecutive server sessions, do it like this: C-Kermit> define listen :xx, set host * 3000, if success server, goto xx C-Kermit> listen Then the client Kermit program would make the connection like this: C-Kermit> set host foo.bar.net 3000 (where "foo.bar.net" is the IP hostname of the PC where the Kermit server is running) and then it would send file-transfer and management commands to the server, as described in Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit", which also describes various security-related settings you can establish on the server prior to listening for incoming connections. More information about OS/2 C-Kermit at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 27 18:07:42 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09047 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 18:07:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA14783 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 18:07:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.ntplx.net!usenet From: csi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VMS to PC file transfer Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 15:44:04 -0500 Organization: CSI Lines: 6 Message-ID: <30E1B014.1B1B@csiworld.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin1-ppp-ttyc1.remote.ntplx.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b3 (Win95; I) We are looking for a product which enables file transfers from the Microvax VMS to PC format. We heard that Kermit allows this. Where can we get the appropriate version of Kermit? Any help on how it works would be greatly appreciated. Rich Marcia From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 27 18:22:54 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09671 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 18:22:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA15672 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 18:22:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS to PC file transfer Date: 27 Dec 1995 23:22:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4bskg4$f93@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <30E1B014.1B1B@csiworld.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <30E1B014.1B1B@csiworld.com>, csi wrote: >We are looking for a product which enables file transfers from the >Microvax VMS to PC format. We heard that Kermit allows this. > It does indeed. >Where can we get the appropriate version of Kermit? Any help on how it >works would be greatly appreciated. > The best place to start is the Kermit Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ or send an inquiry by e-mail to kermit-orders@columbia.edu if you don't have Web access. Or write to: Kermit Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Or fax +1 (212) 663-8202 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 27 22:07:38 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17369 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 22:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA26916 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 22:07:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!engr.orst.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!hp-cv!hp-pcd!hplabs!sdd.hp.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!ns3.iamerica.net!usenet From: mcdivitt@iamerica.net (David G. McDivitt) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: looking for MS-KERM 3.0 or facsimile Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 03:51:15 GMT Organization: LDS iAmerica Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4bstdf$f4h@ns3.iamerica.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ias_ppp0110.iamerica.net I use TELIX for batch processing on some of my workstations, and it works fairly well . One mainframe computer must be dialed up on a regular basis, and data transmission is rather slow . Scripts in TELIX seem to offer more control than PROCOMM, but TELIX uses the original KERMIT protocol . The people running the mainframe said to increase the KERMIT block size to one or two thousand, but TELIX, nor the original KERMIT protocol, allow a size of over 94 bytes . The people at TELIX said to find MS-KERM 3.0, and use it as an external protocol . I am not able to find this however . Has anyone seen it, or does anyone have suggestions ? If anyone knows where I might call or E-mail to get information, please advise me . Thanks From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 27 22:23:03 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17813 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 22:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA27627 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 22:23:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!engr.orst.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!hp-cv!hp-pcd!hplabs!hplntx!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!sdd.hp.com!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!ns3.iamerica.net!usenet From: mcdivitt@iamerica.net (David G. McDivitt) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: looking for MS-KERM 3.0 or facsimile Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 04:10:24 GMT Organization: LDS iAmerica Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4bsuhb$f4h@ns3.iamerica.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ias_ppp0110.iamerica.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99.82 I use TELIX for batch processing on some of my workstations, and it works fairly well . One mainframe computer must be dialed up on a regular basis, and data transmission is rather slow . Scripts in TELIX seem to offer more control than PROCOMM, but TELIX uses the original KERMIT protocol . The people running the mainframe said to increase the KERMIT block size to one or two thousand, but TELIX, nor the original KERMIT protocol, allow a size of over 94 bytes . The people at TELIX said to find MS-KERM 3.0, and use it as an external protocol . I am not able to find this however . Has anyone seen it, or does anyone have suggestions ? If anyone knows where I might call or E-mail to get information, please advise me . Thanks From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 27 22:52:53 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA18648 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 22:52:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA28816 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 22:52:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!inquo!vyzynz!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!ames!news.tulane.edu!darwin.sura.net!gaia.ns.utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] Clear key mapping for IBM 3270 sessions ? Date: 28 Dec 1995 03:22:07 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4bt2gv$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hallo, i'd rather ask here first before I bother the authors of ckermit: I was wondering whether someone knows how to map the Clear key needed for 3270 sessions to IBM mainframes (running VM/CMS), or, which key it defaults to? The handbook does offer an automated login script which can b used to login to this kind of host, and, no surprise, it works, but once in I have to wait for a minute whenever I get the More ... message at the end of the full screen, since I haven't found the Clear Key (yet). I'd like to map it to the numeric key pad Enter, but to do so I need to know the proper keyboard verb. Any help is greatly appreciated! Stefan -- =============================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ =============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 27 22:52:53 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA18647 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 22:52:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA28818 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 22:52:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!inquo!vyzynz!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!ames!news.tulane.edu!darwin.sura.net!gaia.ns.utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times Date: 28 Dec 1995 03:27:24 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] On a, as I assume, similar note: Would it be possible to allow ckermit to open more than one connection in general? I am using the OS/2 version, also on top of the os/2 telnet (via tcp/ip in the os/2 connect package), and I know I can open a load of telnet sessions and do what I want. However, sometimes I'd rather open another session *in the same* ckermit window, much like it is possible with the NCSA telnet, where one has hot keys to open a new session and to switch between the acitve ones. Is that (going to be) possible? Cheers, and Happy New Year! Stefan Evan Champion (evanc@synapse.net) wrote: : Feature request: please change the Kermit dialer to allow you to open : multiple connections to the same site when connecting via telnet. It : is very frustrating only being able to have 1 connection active to : each site in the list. : Evan -- =============================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ =============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 27 23:27:58 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA19788 for ; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 23:27:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA00368 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 23:27:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: looking for MS-KERM 3.0 or facsimile Message-ID: <1995Dec27.210152.70074@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Dec 95 21:01:52 MDT References: <4bstdf$f4h@ns3.iamerica.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 In article <4bstdf$f4h@ns3.iamerica.net>, mcdivitt@iamerica.net (David G. McDivitt) writes: > I use TELIX for batch processing on some of my workstations, and it > works fairly well . One mainframe computer must be dialed up on a > regular basis, and data transmission is rather slow . Scripts in > TELIX seem to offer more control than PROCOMM, but TELIX uses the > original KERMIT protocol . The people running the mainframe said to > increase the KERMIT block size to one or two thousand, but TELIX, nor > the original KERMIT protocol, allow a size of over 94 bytes . The > people at TELIX said to find MS-KERM 3.0, and use it as an external > protocol . I am not able to find this however . Has anyone seen it, > or does anyone have suggestions ? If anyone knows where I might call > or E-mail to get information, please advise me . > Thanks ----------- MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 is what you want. Please use anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/msdos, obtain binary file msvibm.zip. That's the quick-start kit. Instructions are included. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 28 00:21:18 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA22137 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 00:21:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA03786 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 00:21:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: key mapping for IBM 3270 sessions ! Date: 28 Dec 1995 05:02:18 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 88 Message-ID: <4bt8cq$bb6@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <4bt2gv$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) writes: > i'd rather ask here first before I bother the authors of ckermit: I was >wondering whether someone knows how to map the Clear key needed for 3270 >sessions to IBM mainframes (running VM/CMS), or, which key it defaults to? >The handbook does offer an automated login script which can b used to login Stefan: Kermit doesn't directly emluate 3270s, so there are no kverbs corresponding to 3270-specific actions. As the handbook states on p292, the connection goes through a "protocol converter" which maps actions you do on your (emulated) ASCII terminal to the appropriate 3270 data stream, and vice versa. I usually emulate a vt220, and use a protocol converter named HCON, which expects ESC for Clear. Other popular choices are ^L, ^Z, ^C and even BS (!). You will need to get documentation for your protocol converter, see what it expects, and develop a script which maps them to the keys you with to press. This is sufficiently complicated that some companies pay me substantial sums to do it for them. As an example, I'm including my vt3270.ini file, which works for MY protocol converter. It won't work for yours, but may give you ideas. ; File: vt3270.220 ; ; The following are the default anyway, corresponding to the startup states ; of the DEC cursor and auxilliary keypads. set terminal arrow-keys cursor ; Arrow keys are in cursor mode by default set terminal keypad-mode numeric ; DEC keypad in numeric mode by default ; Scan Definition IBM PC Key IBM Key Group ; set key \315 \Kgold ; PF1 Top Rank F keys set key \316 \Kpf2 ; PF2 Top Rank F keys set key \317 \Kpf3 ; PF3 Top Rank F keys set key \318 \Kpf4 ; PF4 Top Rank F keys ; DEC Cursor keys ; set key \584 \KupArr ; Up Arrow Up Arrow Cursor keypad set key \592 \KdnArr ; Down Arrow Down Arrow Cursor keypad set key \589 \KrtArr ; Right Arrow Right Arrow Cursor keypad set key \587 \KlfArr ; Left Arrow Left Arrow Cursor keypad ; Make F Keys what hcon expects for vt220 ; set key \319 \027Ou ; PF5 Top Rank F keys set key \320 \027[17~ ; PF6 Top Rank F keys set key \321 \027[18~ ; PF7 Top Rank F keys set key \322 \027[19~ ; PF8 Top Rank F keys set key \323 \027[20~ ; PF9 Top Rank F keys set key \324 \027[21~ ; PF10 Top Rank F keys set key \389 \027[23~ ; PF11 Top Rank F keys set key \390 \027[24~ ; PF12 Top Rank F keys ; Make ALT-F Keys PA Keys ; set key \360 \KdecRemove ; PA1 ALT Top Rank F keys set key \361 \KdecNext ; PA2 ALT Top Rank F keys ; Set up the gray ins-pgdn keys ; set key \594 \KdecFind ; Ins gray insert key set key \585 \027[18~ ; PF7 gray PgUp key set key \644 \kupscn ; upscan ctl PgUp key set key \593 \027[19~ ; PF8 gray PgDn key set key \630 \kdnscn ; downscan ctl PgDn key set key \591 \kdecPrev ; erase EOF gray End key set key \629 \kendscn ; endscan ctl End key set key \583 \KdecInsert ; Home gray Home key set key \631 \khomscn ; Homescan ctl Home key ;Set keypad enter to new line set key \525 \014 It's hacked from ckovtk2.ini. It doesn't mention Clear, because Kermit by default sends ESC for ESC, so that doesn't need changing. -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 28 11:59:57 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28316 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 11:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA17364 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 11:59:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Clear key mapping for IBM 3270 sessions ? Date: 28 Dec 1995 16:59:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4buie3$gug@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4bt2gv$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4bt2gv$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, Deutscher wrote: : I was wondering whether someone knows how to map the Clear key needed : for 3270 sessions to IBM mainframes (running VM/CMS), or, which key it : defaults to? The handbook does offer an automated login script which : can b used to login to this kind of host, and, no surprise, it works, : but once in I have to wait for a minute whenever I get the More : ... message at the end of the full screen, since I haven't found the : Clear Key (yet). I'd like to map it to the numeric key pad Enter, but to : do so I need to know the proper keyboard verb. : A good place to look for this kind of information is in our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt This question is covered in item 8. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 28 12:04:29 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA28717 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 12:04:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA17576 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 12:04:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times Date: 28 Dec 1995 17:04:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4buiml$h54@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, Deutscher wrote: > Would it be possible to allow ckermit to open more than one connection > in general? I am using the OS/2 version, also on top of the os/2 telnet > ... Actually it's not on top of OS/2 Telnet. C-Kermit *is* Telnet. The Telnet implementation is entirely within C-Kermit, which interfaces to OS/2 TCP/IP. > (via tcp/ip in the os/2 connect package), and I know I can open a load > of telnet sessions and do what I want. However, sometimes I'd rather > open another session *in the same* ckermit window, much like it is > possible with the NCSA telnet, where one has hot keys to open a new > session and to switch between the acitve ones. Is that (going to be) > possible? > Long question, short answer: no. This would be a substantial amount of work for almost imperceptible gain. If you want to hot-key around amongst sessions, you can do that with the OS/2 equivalent of Windows' Alt-Tab or Alt-Esc, whatever that happens to be (I don't have OS/2 handy at the moment). And of course you can also "hot mouse" among sessions. In the future, perhaps we will move in this direction, but there are quite a few priorities that are considerably higher. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 28 23:21:20 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA11397 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 23:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA16946 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 23:21:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times Message-ID: <1995Dec28.114438.70099@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Dec 95 11:44:38 MDT References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4buiml$h54@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 39 In article <4buiml$h54@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, > Deutscher wrote: >> Would it be possible to allow ckermit to open more than one connection >> in general? I am using the OS/2 version, also on top of the os/2 telnet >> ... > Actually it's not on top of OS/2 Telnet. C-Kermit *is* Telnet. The > Telnet implementation is entirely within C-Kermit, which interfaces to > OS/2 TCP/IP. > >> (via tcp/ip in the os/2 connect package), and I know I can open a load >> of telnet sessions and do what I want. However, sometimes I'd rather >> open another session *in the same* ckermit window, much like it is >> possible with the NCSA telnet, where one has hot keys to open a new >> session and to switch between the acitve ones. Is that (going to be) >> possible? >> > Long question, short answer: no. This would be a substantial amount of > work for almost imperceptible gain. If you want to hot-key around amongst > sessions, you can do that with the OS/2 equivalent of Windows' Alt-Tab or > Alt-Esc, whatever that happens to be (I don't have OS/2 handy at the > moment). And of course you can also "hot mouse" among sessions. > > In the future, perhaps we will move in this direction, but there are quite > a few priorities that are considerably higher. > > - Frank ---------- Adding another comment on this often asked question. If Kermit were to provide multiple Telnet sessions within itself then it would need to keep a rather large amount of state and buffer information for each session. I do just that in MS-DOS Kermit; the mechanism itself is neither small nor simple. But MSK has no choice, being a DOS program. As Frank says, "it could be done but why bother" when an existing OS/2 systems level mechanism (ALT-ESC, warm furries) does much the same job. Also, as soon as that mechanism exists then someone pops up and wants to panel their screen with sessions. Do you see the problem here with multiple Kermit internal Telnet sessions? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 28 23:37:24 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA12529 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 23:37:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA17470 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 23:37:20 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS to PC file transfer From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (frank@pressroom.com (Fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (frank))) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!primus.ansouth.net!news.cais.net!pressroom.com Message-ID: <00017805012A77EC@pressroom.com> Date: 27 Dec 95 17:22:44 Lines: 36 Path: news.cais.net!news.structured.net!news.tbcnet.com!pagesat.net!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!news.kreonet.re.kr!news.dacom.co.kr!news.netins.net!newsrelay.netins.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.new-york.net!news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS to PC file transfer Date: 27 Dec 1995 23:22:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4bskg4$f93@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <30E1B014.1B1B@csiworld.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <30E1B014.1B1B@csiworld.com>, csi wrote: >We are looking for a product which enables file transfers from the >Microvax VMS to PC format. We heard that Kermit allows this. > It does indeed. >Where can we get the appropriate version of Kermit? Any help on how it >works would be greatly appreciated. > The best place to start is the Kermit Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ or send an inquiry by e-mail to kermit-orders@columbia.edu if you don't have Web access. Or write to: Kermit Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Or fax +1 (212) 663-8202 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 29 07:03:57 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA27497 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 07:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA16823 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 07:03:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times) Date: 29 Dec 1995 11:53:04 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4c0kr0$a37@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4buiml$h54@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) In <4buiml$h54@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: # In the future, perhaps we will move in this direction, but # there are quite a few priorities that are considerably higher. Out of curiosity, do any of these priorities involve MSDOS-Kermit, or has development on that platform essentially stopped? David Johns From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 29 11:45:53 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09852 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 11:45:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA29084 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 11:45:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!pravda.aa.msen.com!fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!news.th-darmstadt.de!igd.fhg.de!usenet From: "Ralf Konrad (R. Ziegler)" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Specification of the Z-Modem Protocol Date: 29 Dec 1995 14:55:20 GMT Organization: Organization: Haus der Graphischen Datenverarbeitung, 64283 Darmstadt Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4c0vgo$7k8@korfu.igd.fhg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: ananas.igd.fhg.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) To: konrad@igd.fhg.de X-URL: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Hello, i am looking for the specification of the Z-Modem Protocol. Please mail me any information if you have. Thanks Ralf Konrad -- ============================================================ _/ _/ _/_/_/ Harald Jung _/ _/ _/ Fraunhofer Institut f"ur _/_/_/_/ _/ Graphische Datenverarbeitung, IGD _/ _/ _/ _/ 64283 Darmstadt, Deutschland _/ _/ _/_/ Email: hjung@igd.fhd.de ============================================================ From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 29 11:46:49 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09930 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 11:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA29095 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 11:46:41 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!wpfulmor From: wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) Subject: manipulation of input buffer Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 15:29:59 GMT Lines: 18 Sender: wpfulmor@netcom5.netcom.com re:MSkermit 3.14 P 9 I need to capture many characters (~~2k) using INPUT n text, and then extract and act on the contents. The INPUT command yields a STATUS of SUCCESS, implying that the unique characters at the end of the transmission have been received, but all attempts to manipulate, extract, or even view input buffer contents beyond the first cr fail. echo \v(input) displays only the fist line of text. \fsubstr, \flength etc etc work on only the first line. I do not see any limitations specified in _Using_MSK_ or *.upd, so I conclude the problem must be due to operator error. What am I doing wrong? Thanks. Bill From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 29 13:48:42 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19700 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 13:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA05197 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 13:48:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: manipulation of input buffer Message-ID: <1995Dec29.100610.70151@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Dec 95 10:06:10 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 In article , wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) writes: > re:MSkermit 3.14 P 9 > > I need to capture many characters (~~2k) using INPUT n text, and then > extract and act on the contents. The INPUT command yields a STATUS of > SUCCESS, implying that the unique characters at the end of the > transmission have been received, but all attempts to manipulate, extract, > or even view input buffer contents beyond the first cr fail. echo > \v(input) displays only the fist line of text. \fsubstr, \flength etc > etc work on only the first line. > > I do not see any limitations specified in _Using_MSK_ or *.upd, so I > conclude the problem must be due to operator error. What am I doing > wrong? Thanks. ------------- It's not supported is the proper answer. I would recommend you deal with small pieces of the incoming stream by a succsssion of INPUT statements, and retain each line of interest to a variable as you go. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 29 13:49:26 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19769 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 13:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA05206 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 13:49:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times) Message-ID: <1995Dec29.100838.70152@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Dec 95 10:08:38 MDT References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4c0kr0$a37@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 In article <4c0kr0$a37@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes: > In <4buiml$h54@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da > Cruz) wrote: > > # In the future, perhaps we will move in this direction, but > # there are quite a few priorities that are considerably higher. > > Out of curiosity, do any of these priorities involve MSDOS-Kermit, or > has development on that platform essentially stopped? ----------- I hope you favor dogs rather than cats, given what curiosity does. Just what is it that you need? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 29 17:10:08 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05122 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 17:10:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA15936 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 17:10:05 -0500 (EST) From: KMays@msn.com (Kenneth Mays) Subject: RE: looking for MS-KERM 3.0 or facsimile Date: 29 Dec 95 20:11:12 -0800 References: <4bsuhb$f4h@ns3.iamerica.net> Message-ID: <00001b56+000005ec@msn.com> Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.netins.net!newsrelay.netins.net!imci3!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.msn.com!msn.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: The Microsoft Network (msn.com) Lines: 4 The best way is to contact Columbia University's Kermit distribution system. The current MSKermit I know of is MSKermit V3.14. I have it for the IBM PC. Any notes can be sent to lafreezer@aol.com. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 29 17:34:44 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06886 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 17:34:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA17140 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 17:34:41 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times) Date: 29 Dec 1995 20:52:38 GMT Lines: 48 Message-ID: <4c1kem$j5r@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4c0kr0$a37@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1995Dec29.100838.70152@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: # > Out of curiosity, do any of these priorities involve # > MSDOS-Kermit, or has development on that platform essentially # > stopped? # ----------- # I hope you favor dogs rather than cats, given what # curiosity does. Just what is it that you need? Well, I think my vote would go for more functionality in the scrollback buffers (mark and save, search, buffer input while viewing the buffer, etc.) and a real plain-text session log (and yes, I have read the .bwr). I'd also like to see a way to preserve the scrollback buffer when logging out of a TCP session. A nice addition to the script language would be a handful of user-defined string triggers, like the string that starts automatic ZModem downloads in programs that have that (I think NetTerm, a winsock program, also watches for the KERMIT READY TO SEND signal and starts a download hands-off). Someone else has just mentioned having full access to the input buffer. I managed to use \v(input) to get the IP address on a SLIP line (thus fully automating the process you outline in the network docs), but I can imagine it would be nice to be able to work with more than one line. It would be nice to have input that comes in while at the command prompt (like when a macro is running or during a transmit) piped back into the emulator so that they end up in the log and the buffer. Right now if you call MSK from another program it can read the port speed, but not the parity. I have one system I call that uses 7o1 (yes, odd parity), so in order to write general transfer scripts (in Commo's macro language), I have to parse out the parity and send it to Kermit. Since DOS reports the parity (with MODE and MSD, at least), it seems that Kermit should be able to read it. By the way, I use Commo, calling Kermit for special purposes rather than using Kermit for everything primarily because of the first three suggestions above. I could probably think of more if you're interested. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 29 21:28:44 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21763 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 21:28:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA28154 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 21:28:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times) Message-ID: <1995Dec29.173301.70177@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Dec 95 17:33:01 MDT References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4c1kem$j5r@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 108 In article <4c1kem$j5r@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) writes: > Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > > # > Out of curiosity, do any of these priorities involve > # > MSDOS-Kermit, or has development on that platform essentially > # > stopped? > # ----------- > # I hope you favor dogs rather than cats, given what > # curiosity does. Just what is it that you need? That's quite a wish-list David, and a couple days after the official due-date! But let me add a few comments on the items as we talk here on News. > Well, I think my vote would go for more functionality in the > scrollback buffers (mark and save, search, buffer input while viewing > the buffer, etc.) and a real plain-text session log (and yes, I have > read the .bwr). I guess you mean full editing, and hence a reasonably competant full screen editor to match. That's quite a bit of code, and any editor would have to work by shutting off comms so that screen and keys remain strictly local. Also the scroll back buffer normally lives above 1MB, in expanded memory. That means the editor needs spill buffers up there too to handle the large rollback buffers permitted by MSK. I think its easy to see that this can get out of hand. The session log is plain-text if that's all the host sends to us. Which means it sends a line of text followed by CR/LF, and no cursor steering, screen embellishments (bold, reverse video, etc), whatnot that make up full screen work rather than glass-tty work. Otherwise our screen is likely decorated semi-randomly as the cursor is moved here and there, and thus what we see isn't the way things arrive or logged. > I'd also like to see a way to preserve the scrollback buffer when > logging out of a TCP session. It is preserved, actually. But to see it we must be in terminal emulation mode where the character sets and visual attributes are available. It is available when a new session is started, or when we rollback during another session. > A nice addition to the script language would be a handful of > user-defined string triggers, like the string that starts automatic > ZModem downloads in programs that have that (I think NetTerm, a > winsock program, also watches for the KERMIT READY TO SEND signal and > starts a download hands-off). We've thought about these too. It might help to understand how matters work. Triggers require that MSK buffer bytes entering the terminal emulator, do not act on them, and do parsing of the accumulated stream as each byte arrives. MSK does this for host-triggered printing, and for the APC command. Those commands are well structured, short, and unambiguous (not overlapping any other acceptable commands). So, accumulation/constant reparsing without display and hence bursty screen updates (if any sometimes) turns out to be not what people would accept, nor would I for that matter. We put a lot of thought into the security side too. Whatever happens must be safe and under control of the user; no launch and forget strategy. That means we don't launch external programs based on arbitrary strings arriving. Not only do such strings happen in other circumstances (rather like the Hayes triple + syndrome) but the consequences may not be what the user can live with. > Someone else has just mentioned having full access to the input > buffer. I managed to use \v(input) to get the IP address on a SLIP > line (thus fully automating the process you outline in the network > docs), but I can imagine it would be nice to be able to work with more > than one line. As mentioned previously, a succession of INPUT statements can gather a succession of "lines", so that facility exists now. > It would be nice to have input that comes in while at the command > prompt (like when a macro is running or during a transmit) piped back > into the emulator so that they end up in the log and the buffer. You have a point. It's not possible presently. I should caution that INPUT is not always running and hence there are gaps in the INPUT buffer stream, and that stream wraps in its circular buffer. INPUT material does go into the session log. > Right now if you call MSK from another program it can read the port > speed, but not the parity. I have one system I call that uses 7o1 > (yes, odd parity), so in order to write general transfer scripts (in > Commo's macro language), I have to parse out the parity and send it to > Kermit. Since DOS reports the parity (with MODE and MSD, at least), > it seems that Kermit should be able to read it. ? MSK does not run UART chips with hardware parity. Hardware parity is a nice way of not communicating due to differences at each end. MSK uses parity in software and it is highly forgiving during terminal emulation (SET DISPLAY 7/8 etc). Furthermore, during file transfers MSK automatically determines parity as much as is possible, and switches to it with a message. I can add code to probe the UART for existing parity, if that would really do a lot of good. > By the way, I use Commo, calling Kermit for special purposes rather > than using Kermit for everything primarily because of the first three > suggestions above. > > I could probably think of more if you're interested. Wishlists are always welcomed, even though only portions are possible to include in the programs. > David Johns Thanks David, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 30 11:06:32 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21067 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 11:06:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA08779 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 11:06:30 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!neoucom.edu!neoucom.edu!redpoll!cyberspam!spewcancel!red Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (frank@pressroom.com (Fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (frank))) Subject: cancel: Re: VMS to PC file transfer Control: cancel <00017805012A77EC@pressroom.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 15:45:21 GMT X-Canceled-By: red@redpoll.mrfs.oh.us (Richard E. Depew) Lines: 1 Mopping up spew from broken gateway at pressroom.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 30 17:19:31 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07376 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 17:19:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA19283 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 17:19:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!gaia.ns.utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times Date: 30 Dec 1995 18:45:59 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4c41d7$ata@gaia.ns.utk.edu> References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4buiml$h54@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Dec28.114438.70099@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In reply to the responses by Frank and Joe: Okay, I am convinced it is NOT A GOOD THING (tm). I agree completely that the priorities ought to be on more important things, and when you say it wouldn't be an easy one to implement, then I know and happily accept that. The argument with different terminal sizes for different hotkeyed sessions is quite convincing, too. So -- never mind. Happy New Year, and thanks for having taken the time to reply! Stefan -- =============================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ =============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 30 19:21:33 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15107 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 19:21:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA22292 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 19:21:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!homer.alpha.net!news.jersey.net!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times Date: 30 Dec 1995 20:36:30 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4c47se$phm@hustle.rahul.net> References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4buiml$h54@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Dec28.114438.70099@cc.usu.edu> <4c41d7$ata@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Deutscher (sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu) wrote: : In reply to the responses by Frank and Joe: Okay, I am convinced it is NOT A : GOOD THING (tm). I agree completely that the priorities ought to be on more The original query had to do with multiple connections from K-95. I only have one host where I would like multiple connections, and the "clone" button in the K-95 dialer allowed very quick work of making the multiples, even if I were only going to use it one time. I found K-95 difficult to install up to a moderately working state, but it is so incredibly flexible. As I'm hacking scripts to automate some work at my telephone company, and I realize the disparate systems that I am using, ranging from a 286-running MSDOS 3.3/MSK-3.14, acting as a 1/2" tape reader/kermit server, through Win-95,/K-95; UnixWare, ESIX, an Octel Voice Mail system, DEX-600 and Stromberg Telephone switches. I have tried other comm programs, but!!! I can prototype and "program" scripts anywhere. I run awk against data sets on the UNIX boxes to create .tak files that can then be run from either of the UNIX platforms, or one of the techs can run them from home under MSKermit without modification. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 30 23:57:48 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA03062 for ; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 23:57:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA28578 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 Dec 1995 23:57:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ringer.cs.utsa.edu!news.cais.net!wvnvms!marshall.edu!marshall.edu!haught5 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP, Kermit keeps sending ZIP files as text Message-ID: <1995Dec25.030355.1@muvms6> From: haught5@muvms6.wvnet.edu Date: 25 Dec 95 03:03:55 EDT Organization: Marshall University Nntp-Posting-Host: muvms6.mu.wvnet.edu Lines: 9 Sometimes when I transfer .ZIP files with Kermit (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 & C-Kermit 5A(190) OpenVMS VAX) it send them as "Text, Transparent to CP437" instead of as "Binary". I've set both sides to binary but it still goes back to text. Is their any way to force Kermit to send then as binary? Krista Haught haught5@muvms6.mu.wvnet.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 31 11:00:21 1995 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24460 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 1995 11:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA26759 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 31 Dec 1995 11:00:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP, Kermit keeps sending ZIP files as text Date: 31 Dec 1995 16:00:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4c6c2e$q34@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Dec25.030355.1@muvms6> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Dec25.030355.1@muvms6>, wrote: >Sometimes when I transfer .ZIP files with Kermit (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 & >C-Kermit 5A(190) OpenVMS VAX) it send them as "Text, Transparent to >CP437" instead of as "Binary". I've set both sides to binary but it >still goes back to text. Is their any way to force Kermit to send then >as binary? > You didn't say which direction you are sending the ZIP files, but let me guess: it's from the VAX to the PC. To answer your question: yes. Tell VMS C-Kermit to "set file type image". I'd be tempted to add this question and answer (and the explanation for it) to our FAQ if it were not already documented clearly and prominently in the VMS Appendix of the C-Kermit manual, "Using C-Kermit", most notably on page 412 (just look up "ZIP" in the index). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 1 11:42:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08437 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 11:42:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA13824 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 1 Jan 1996 11:42:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP, Kermit keeps sending ZIP files as text Date: 1 Jan 1996 13:33:55 GMT Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4c8ns3$n6u@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <1995Dec25.030355.1@muvms6> <4c6c2e$q34@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) In <4c6c2e$q34@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: [RE: VAX/VMS and ZIP files] # I'd be tempted to add this question and answer (and the # explanation for it) to our FAQ if it were not already # documented clearly and prominently in the VMS Appendix of the # C-Kermit manual, "Using C-Kermit", most notably on page 412 # (just look up "ZIP" in the index). Ummm, Frank, it *is* in the MS-DOS Kermit FAQ (item 10). And I hope you'll continue to put C-Kermit problems in the MS-Kermit docs, since most of us can't find an intelligent life form at the other end of the dial-ups we use. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 2 00:05:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA26670 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 00:05:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA12531 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 00:05:20 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!pagesat.net!aldus.northnet.org!usenet From: agreene@northnet.org (Anthony E. Greene) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.mail.misc,comp.mail.sendmail Subject: Re: How to mail when you've no TCP/IP, UUCP, etc. Kermit? Date: Tue, 02 Jan 1996 04:50:05 GMT Organization: NorthNet Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4cadhl$eld@aldus.northnet.org> References: <4as15o$p6t@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu> <4bntfe$i2q@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> Reply-To: agreene@northnet.org NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-2.canton.northnet.org X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4406 comp.mail.misc:26076 comp.mail.sendmail:25802 cabal@citadel.umd.edu (Arcadio A. Sincero) wrote: >In article <4as15o$p6t@ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu>, Bake Timmons wrote: >>Hi all, >> >> We dial in to a VMS account and there's no chance of getting anything >> set up on that end except kermit. Is it possible to use our Linux box >> at home with cron and kermit to automatically send and receive the >> internet mail to and from our VMS account. Thanks! I'll summarize if >> response warrants. > Sorry for not emailing 'ya instead. I still haven't figure out how >to get email working on my Linux box yet. Anyhow ... > This is just an idea. You might wanna try runnin' SLiRP on your VMS >account. SLiRP is a TCP/IP emulator ... it'll letcha set up a SLIP/PPP link >from a UNIX shell! Real handy. There are some limitations, but I haven't >run into any major ones yet. Might be worth a try. You can obtain a copy >from sunsite. I have used a program called NUpop. It can use SLIP, direct network, or serial dialup to access a POP server. If you have a POP server, you may want to try NUpop at ftp://ftp.acns.nwu.edu/pub/nupop/ Anthony E. Greene Webmaster, Americal Division Veterans Association http://www3.servtech.com/americal/ From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 2 05:15:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA18122 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 05:15:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA16856 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Jan 1996 05:14:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news.uni-mainz.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!igd.fhg.de!usenet From: "Ralf Konrad (R. Ziegler)" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Specification of the Z-Modem Protocol Date: 2 Jan 1996 08:56:13 GMT Organization: Organization: Haus der Graphischen Datenverarbeitung, 64283 Darmstadt Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4carvd$nog@korfu.igd.fhg.de> References: <4c0vgo$7k8@korfu.igd.fhg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: ananas.igd.fhg.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) To: konrad@igd.fhd.de X-URL: news:4c0vgo$7k8@korfu.igd.fhg.de Hello, i am looking for the specification of the Z-Modem Protocol. Please mail me any information if you have. Thanks Ralf Konrad -- ============================================================ _/ _/ _/_/_/ Ralf Konrad _/ _/ _/ Fraunhofer Institut f"ur _/_/_/_/ _/ Graphische Datenverarbeitung, IGD _/ _/ _/ _/ 64283 Darmstadt, Deutschland _/ _/ _/_/ Email: konrad@igd.fhd.de ============================================================ From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 00:31:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA15997 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 00:31:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA25465 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 00:31:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!crl.dec.com!caen!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times) Date: 3 Jan 1996 01:41:40 GMT Lines: 109 Message-ID: <4ccmsk$1pe@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4c1kem$j5r@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1995Dec29.173301.70177@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) In <1995Dec29.173301.70177@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: # > Well, I think my vote would go for more functionality in the # > scrollback buffers (mark and save, search, buffer input while # > viewing the buffer, etc.) and a real plain-text session log # > (and yes, I have read the .bwr). # # I guess you mean full editing, and hence a reasonably # competant full screen editor to match. Heavens, no. I say what I mean and mean what I say. I've never heard of an editable scrollback buffer, but I do find searching and blocking for copy very useful. # The session log is plain-text if that's all the host sends to # us. Which means it sends a line of text followed by CR/LF, and # no cursor steering, screen embellishments (bold, reverse # video, etc), whatnot that make up full screen work rather than # glass-tty work. Otherwise our screen is likely decorated # semi-randomly as the cursor is moved here and there, and thus # what we see isn't the way things arrive or logged. But most other comm programs I've seen save the buffer as plain text, even if it came through as vtxxx. I can see some value to being able to replay the original, especially when there was a lot of screen manipulation. But if I can't have both, I'd rather have the plain text log. > A nice addition to the script language would be a handful of > user-defined string triggers, like the string that starts automatic > ZModem downloads in programs that have that (I think NetTerm, a > winsock program, also watches for the KERMIT READY TO SEND signal and > starts a download hands-off). # We've thought about these too. It might help to # understand how matters work. Triggers require that MSK buffer # bytes entering the terminal emulator, do not act on them, and # do parsing of the accumulated stream as each byte arrives. MSK # does this for host-triggered printing, and for the APC # command. Those commands are well structured, short, and # unambiguous (not overlapping any other acceptable commands). # So, accumulation/constant reparsing without display and hence # bursty screen updates (if any sometimes) turns out to be not # what people would accept, nor would I for that matter. Well, Commo has them, and I've never noticed any burstiness. # We put a lot of thought into the security side too. # Whatever happens must be safe and under control of the user; # no launch and forget strategy. That means we don't launch # external programs based on arbitrary strings arriving. Not # only do such strings happen in other circumstances (rather # like the Hayes triple + syndrome) but the consequences may not # be what the user can live with. A moment of levity is due. I didn't think of that when I wrote that I have Commo set to recognize KERMIT*READY*TO*SEND, and as a consequence, when I tried to read your answer, which quoted the above line (without the *'s, of course), I'd find myself in Kermit with errors accumulating. I'd exit and Commo would apparently rewrite the screen, throwing me into Kermit again, and again, and again. And Commo had called KERLITE.EXE, so I couldn't just continue the session in the Kermit emulator. But still, I say let the user beware. If the strings are user-selectable, then he doesn't have to turn them on in situations where there might be danger. # As mentioned previously, a succession of INPUT # statements can gather a succession of "lines", so that # facility [access to the input buffer] exists now. Yes, I understand now. > It would be nice to have input that comes in while at the command > prompt (like when a macro is running or during a transmit) piped back > into the emulator so that they end up in the log and the buffer. You have a point. It's not possible presently. I should caution that INPUT is not always running and hence there are gaps in the INPUT buffer stream, and that stream wraps in its circular buffer. INPUT material does go into the session log. # ? MSK does not run UART chips with hardware parity. # Hardware parity is a nice way of not communicating due to # differences at each end. MSK uses parity in software and it is # highly forgiving during terminal emulation (SET DISPLAY 7/8 # etc). Furthermore, during file transfers MSK automatically # determines parity as much as is possible, and switches to it # with a message. I can add code to probe the UART for existing # parity, if that would really do a lot of good. Well, I can't imagine that there are many systems out there like the one I have to deal with. It was apparently installed and abandoned under some Texas Instruments contract, and whether the dial-up line was set at 7o1 by perverse design or by accident, I don't know. But while the file transfer mechanism will indeed notice the problem, the emulator won't. Most people who tried this system had given up because they either couldn't log in or their input was mangled, until I stumbled upon the problem. No, it's probably not worth changing now. I just though that since you do notice some characteristics of the comm port, why not all of them? # Wishlists are always welcomed, even though only portions # are possible to include in the programs. Glad to hear it. What's the best place to deliver them? David Johns From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 03:22:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA28524 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 03:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA27850 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 03:22:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times) Message-ID: <1996Jan2.200956.70335@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Jan 96 20:09:56 MDT References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4ccmsk$1pe@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 105 In article <4ccmsk$1pe@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes: > In <1995Dec29.173301.70177@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > > # > Well, I think my vote would go for more functionality in the > # > scrollback buffers (mark and save, search, buffer input while > # > viewing the buffer, etc.) and a real plain-text session log > # > (and yes, I have read the .bwr). > # > # I guess you mean full editing, and hence a reasonably > # competant full screen editor to match. > > Heavens, no. I say what I mean and mean what I say. I've never heard > of an editable scrollback buffer, but I do find searching and blocking > for copy very useful. Yes, I understand. But that's only one side of the operation. The other is where to put the cut material and what happens to material into whose midst the information goes. And undoing actions, and spiffing up items, plus the inevitable search part of things, and... This is a camel sniffing the canvas apparatus. I'm not stonewalling, really, but I've been along paths of this kind many times. > # The session log is plain-text if that's all the host sends to > # us. Which means it sends a line of text followed by CR/LF, and > # no cursor steering, screen embellishments (bold, reverse > # video, etc), whatnot that make up full screen work rather than > # glass-tty work. Otherwise our screen is likely decorated > # semi-randomly as the cursor is moved here and there, and thus > # what we see isn't the way things arrive or logged. > > But most other comm programs I've seen save the buffer as plain text, > even if it came through as vtxxx. I can see some value to being able > to replay the original, especially when there was a lot of screen > manipulation. But if I can't have both, I'd rather have the plain > text log. Have you considered this approach (which is a designed-in capability): SET PRINTER filename, Connect, when wishing to capture material press CONTROL-PRINTSCRN, see PRN on the status line meaning printing is active, press again to toggle off. This is DEC controller printing (not transparent printing). And that means (quoting from MSK distribution file msvibm.vt): Control-PrtSc PRTSCN Toggle on/off copying of received text to printer, "PRN" shows on far right of mode line when activated. CSI Pn i MC Printer controls (Media Copy) Pn 0 Print whole Screen 4 Exit printer controller (transparent print) 5 Enter printer controller (transparent print) Transparent printing sends all output, except the CSI 4 i termination string, to the printer and not the screen, uses an 8-bit channel if no parity so NUL and DEL will be seen by the printer and by the termination recognizer code, and all translation and character set selections are bypassed. CSI ? Pn i MC DEC Printer controls (Media Copy) Pn 1 Print line containing cursor 4 Exit autoprint (stop echoing to printer) 5 Enter autoprint (echo screen chars to printer) Autoprint prints a final display line only when the cursor is moved off the line by an autowrap or LF, FF, or VT (otherwise do not print the line). > # ? MSK does not run UART chips with hardware parity. > # Hardware parity is a nice way of not communicating due to > # differences at each end. MSK uses parity in software and it is > # highly forgiving during terminal emulation (SET DISPLAY 7/8 > # etc). Furthermore, during file transfers MSK automatically > # determines parity as much as is possible, and switches to it > # with a message. I can add code to probe the UART for existing > # parity, if that would really do a lot of good. > > Well, I can't imagine that there are many systems out there like the > one I have to deal with. It was apparently installed and abandoned > under some Texas Instruments contract, and whether the dial-up line > was set at 7o1 by perverse design or by accident, I don't know. But > while the file transfer mechanism will indeed notice the problem, the > emulator won't. Most people who tried this system had given up > because they either couldn't log in or their input was mangled, until > I stumbled upon the problem. No, it's probably not worth changing > now. I just though that since you do notice some characteristics of > the comm port, why not all of them? Because parity on serial ports is worthless, in my opinon, and it is often the source of user confusion as you have just indicated. > # Wishlists are always welcomed, even though only portions > # are possible to include in the programs. > > Glad to hear it. What's the best place to deliver them? You can try right here, where other readers can comment too. Alternatives include to Columbia and to me directly. But let's not make a large production over each item because there are already too few hours in each day. Joe D. > David Johns From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 08:40:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26383 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA19842 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 08:40:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!inn From: thalmann@ruf.uni-freiburg.de (I. Thalmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 - Dialer crashes after update to version 1.1.2 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 11:07:39 GMT Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Germany Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4cdo7q$r7l@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip222.home.uni-freiburg.de X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Hi, having updated K95 from version 1.1.1 to 1.1.2 using the patch w111-112.rtp my dialer won't work any longer. Whenever I try to add a new entry or edit an existing one the K95-dialer crashes. BTW, with version 1.1.1 there was no problem apart from the documented bugs. Any help will be appreciated TIA Ingo -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ingo Thalmann Freiburg/Germany thalmann@uni-freiburg.de -------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 09:19:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29262 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:19:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA21653 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:19:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci3!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!jpmorgan.com!usenet From: rmcmanus@simba2 (Russ McManus) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: debugging a serial connection Date: 03 Jan 1996 09:03:00 -0500 Organization: J.P. Morgan Lines: 26 Sender: rmcmanus@simba2 Message-ID: Reply-To: rmcmanus@jpmorgan.com NNTP-Posting-Host: simba2.ny.jpmorgan.com X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.9 I am using c-kermit from linux 1.2.13 to dial in to my isp to access a shell account, but I am reading lots of spurious data from the modem. I connect successfully, but the login menu is interspersed with gibberish, and the modem continues to read gibberish. I have called my isp to check the connection parameters, which are 8bits, 19200 speed, no parity, hardware (rts/cts) flow control. I use these same connection parameters to dial into another account I have at work, with no difficulties. I have read the section in "Using C Kermit" on debugging connections, and have tried 'set debug session', so now I can see lots of printable gibberish. What should I try next? Do the two modems not agree about the speed of the connection? Should I try sending a 'break'? How does one debug such a problem? thanks for any suggestions, russ From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 09:40:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01314 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:40:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA22702 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:40:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times) Date: 3 Jan 1996 11:40:22 GMT Lines: 58 Message-ID: <4cdpv6$a02@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4ccmsk$1pe@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1996Jan2.200956.70335@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) In <1996Jan2.200956.70335@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: # Yes, I understand. But that's only one side of the # operation. I must be missing something here, since it seems to me that you're making things much more complicated than they are. # The other is where to put the cut material You put it in a file, like a screen dump. It's more functional than a screen dump, though, because you copy only what you want to and don't have duplicated lines if you don't get the screen aligned properly. # and what happens to material into whose midst the information # goes. It's appended. # And undoing actions, and spiffing up items, plus the # inevitable search part of things, and... This is a camel # sniffing the canvas apparatus. I'm not stonewalling, really, # but I've been along paths of this kind many times. I don't know why you'd want all this stuff. Once it's copied to a file, it's no longer Kermit's responsibility. The buffer is never changed. # Have you considered this approach (which is a # designed-in capability): SET PRINTER filename, Connect, when # wishing to capture material press CONTROL-PRINTSCRN, see PRN # on the status line meaning printing is active, press again to # toggle off. This is DEC controller printing (not transparent # printing). And that means (quoting from MSK distribution file # msvibm.vt): I don't completely follow this, but I don't want the printing (to file) controlled from the host. I think I did stumble on this solution once before, but gave up on it because I couldn't automate it -- there seemed to be no way to give the ctrl-printscreen command from a script. This led me to conclude (rightly or wrongly -- and long before I discovered this group) that you could always assign macros to keys, but there were built-in key verbs that couldn't be used as script commands. If I'm right, that's another item for my wish list :-). # You can try right here, where other readers can comment # too. Alternatives include to Columbia and to me directly. But # let's not make a large production over each item because there # are already too few hours in each day. Feel free to ignore my suggestions -- most people do :-). On the other hand, I think it's obvious to most software users that the designers are far too remote from the everyday application of their product, and I'm amazed and impressed that you and Frank monitor a group like this on a daily basis. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 12:00:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16102 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:00:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA00318 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:00:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 - Dialer crashes after update to version 1.1.2 Date: 3 Jan 1996 17:00:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4cecnv$9m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4cdo7q$r7l@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4cdo7q$r7l@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, I. Thalmann wrote: >having updated K95 from version 1.1.1 to 1.1.2 using the patch >w111-112.rtp my dialer won't work any longer. Whenever I try to add a >new entry or edit an existing one the K95-dialer crashes. > >BTW, with version 1.1.1 there was no problem apart from the documented >bugs. > This is a puzzler. Evidently some (but not all) people had some trouble after patching from 1.1.1 to 1.1.2, for reasons as yet unknown. Try reinstalling from the original diskettes and then applying to 1.1.0-to-1.1.2 patch. If that doesn't work, send email straight to kermit-support@columbia.edu and we'll get it fixed for you. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 12:07:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16797 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:07:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA00721 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:07:29 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: debugging a serial connection Date: 3 Jan 1996 17:07:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 48 Message-ID: <4ced4b$ma@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Russ McManus wrote: : I am using c-kermit from linux 1.2.13 to dial in : to my isp to access a shell account, but I am reading : lots of spurious data from the modem. : : I connect successfully, but the login menu is interspersed : with gibberish, and the modem continues to read gibberish. : : I have called my isp to check the connection parameters, : which are 8bits, 19200 speed, no parity, hardware (rts/cts) : flow control. : What about error correction? : I use these same connection parameters to dial into another : account I have at work, with no difficulties. : : I have read the section in "Using C Kermit" on debugging : connections, and have tried 'set debug session', so : now I can see lots of printable gibberish. : : What should I try next? Do the two modems not agree about : the speed of the connection? Should I try sending a 'break'? : How does one debug such a problem? : Gibberish is generally caused by one or more of the following: 1. Line noise 2. A lack of effective flow control 3. Parity mismatch Line noise would appear if your particular connection is noisy (e.g. telephone company problem) and if the two modems have not negotiated an error correction protocol. Effective flow control requires the cooperation of: 1. The Kermit software on your PC (set flow rts/cts). 2. The underlying Linux comm port driver. 3. Your modem (did you give it the command to enable RTS/CTS?). 4. The modem on the other end. 5. The thing that the modem on the other end is connected to. To check for a parity mismatch, try telling Kermit to "set parity space" and see if the garbage goes away. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 14:50:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04365 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA09809 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:50:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!purdue!oitnews.harvard.edu!news.dfci.harvard.edu!usenet From: Richard Pieri Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: debugging a serial connection Date: 03 Jan 1996 12:37:28 -0500 Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute Lines: 33 Sender: ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: unilab.dfci.harvard.edu In-reply-to: rmcmanus@simba2's message of 03 Jan 1996 09:03:00 -0500 X-Posting-Software: Gnus v5.0.13 [ NNTP-based News Reader for GNU Emacs ] X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.13 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "RM" == Russ McManus writes: RM> I have called my isp to check the connection parameters, which are RM> 8bits, 19200 speed, no parity, hardware (rts/cts) flow control. Do you have a 16550 UART, or an older chip like the 8250? If you have an 8250 then anything higher than a 9600 baud base connect speed will be problematical at best and unusable at worst. MSD (in your DOS or Windows directories if you have them) will tell you what you have for a serial controller. If you have an 8250 you should look into upgrading the chip itself or the serial boad (they're cheap). BTW, you need to fix this: From: rmcmanus@simba2 (Russ McManus) "simba2" is not a fully qualified domain name, which is what should appear in the From: header. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMOq+xp6VRH7BJMxHAQFzgQP/Yna7z6ndAKAKL7zZVTeEEQscAni4FWCi 1HMpzbZcRmU3rRaki5mc3+TQq1iRLE2EXqzpXJ61iX/9MX0p0vPqRu8AKjtcTnpW 6WUtKDZBwdokWnXF1maqobN4Cgqc5EUHSNMWtYSzbOxhhTl1yqCdqzRMa8n0xr07 rHnMHJnr1AE= =5MG2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Richard Pieri/Information Services \ Climb your way to the top; that's why the \ drapes are there. -A cat's guide to life http://www.dfci.harvard.edu/~ratinox \ From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 17:28:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA22385 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:28:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA18725 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:28:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times) Date: 3 Jan 1996 19:11:18 GMT Lines: 59 Message-ID: <4cekcm$jos@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4c1kem$j5r@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1995Dec29.173301.70177@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: # > I'd also like to see a way to preserve the scrollback buffer # > when logging out of a TCP session. # # It is preserved, actually. But to see it we must be in # terminal emulation mode where the character sets and visual # attributes are available. It is available when a new session # is started, or when we rollback during another session. I just ran a little test. I started up a TCP session on host A and then started up another on host B. While on host B the screen data from host A were still visible. I then went back to host A, but found that nothing in the B session was in the scrollback buffer. I then created a new screen on A and switched back to B. Nothing of the new A material was visible on B. So it looks like rather than having one continuous buffer, when you start a new buffer, old material "seeds" it, but nothing new gets added. Also, when you log off of simultaneous sessions, each buffer is lost except for the last one. If you try to look at that one by entering C, Kermit will also reconnect, so you have to deal with the login prompt. All this doesn't seem like a system that anyone would actually design intentionally. David Johns # > I'd also like to see a way to preserve the scrollback buffer # > when logging out of a TCP session. # # It is preserved, actually. But to see it we must be in # terminal emulation mode where the character sets and visual # attributes are available. It is available when a new session # is started, or when we rollback during another session. I just ran a little test. I started up a TCP session on host A and then started up another on host B. While on host B the screen data from host A were still visible. I then went back to host A, but found that nothing in the B session was in the scrollback buffer. I then created a new screen on A and switched back to B. Nothing of the new A material was visible on B. So it looks like rather than having one continuous buffer, when you start a new buffer, old material "seeds" it, but nothing new gets added. Also, when you log off of simultaneous sessions, each buffer is lost except for the last one. If you try to look at that one by entering C, Kermit will also reconnect, so you have to deal with the login prompt. All this doesn't seem like a system that anyone would actually design intentionally. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 17:44:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA23870 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA19349 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:44:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Windows95/Kermit95 tidbits Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 20:55:12 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 88 Message-ID: <30eadd0d.64335381@128.230.1.4> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sudial-79.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc:81929 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4417 Here's a couple of tidbits I'd like to share with other Kermit95 users. They are: A. Gaining greater control over terminal window appearance B. Getting things to happen automatically A. You can gain considerable control over the appearance of K95's terminal window (as much as you have over a DOS box) and not sacrifice a bit of Kermit's excellent terminal emulation. 1. Copy c:\windows\dosprmpt.pif to c:\k95\k95.pif. 2. Set k95.pif's "properties" so that it: (i) runs the program k95.exe (ii) has enough environment, 2048 bytes should be sufficient ("Auto" won't work since K95 is a Windows program not a DOS one) Someone suggested also turning off EMS; it's not clear to me that this is necessary (since I don't have EMS). 3. Wherever you would start k95.exe, start k95.pif instead. Unfortunately, the dialer will always start k95.exe, but if you use tidbit B, you can make connections as easily as with the dialer, but without it. The PIF allows you to set things like font, window size, behavior at exit, and so on, as you well know. Also, started in this way, Windows95 will remember the location of the window ... in case you don't like it always starting in the upper-right corner of the desktop. FREEBIE: Starting K95 in this way also cures an unfortunate situation (not Kermit's fault) wherein if an app (say, Netscape, for telnetting) starts K95.exe, Windows does not hand over the keyboard to K95, making for a very uninteresting telnet session. Just start k95.pif instead ... the problem goes away. The appropriate telnet command for Netscape is: k95.pif -c -j Netscape supplies the hostname. B. Making things happen automatically. This is best illustrated by example: I have an oft-used entry called "Telnet gamera" in the K95 dialer. When I use the dialer to get to gamera, the dialer writes the script k95\tmp\telnet_gamera.scr then starts the "engine" (k95.exe) telling it to "take" the script. This is how the dialer starts all connections. 1. I told the dialer to save this script by putting "set startup-file keep" in k95.ini 2. I copied k95\tmp\telnet_gamera.scr to k95\scripts\gamera.ksc (use any extension here which has no W95 associations; don't use "scr" since W95 thinks they're screensaver files) 3. In Explorer/View/Options/FileTypes, I created the file type "Kermit script", assigned it the extension ".ksc" and associated with "Open" the action: c:\k95\k95.exe -SC "take %1" [Or use "pif" instead of "exe" if you use tidbit A.] (This is literal; S means "stay" [don't exit upon return to the K95 prompt]; C means execute the Kermit command that follows.) Voila! double-click "gamera.ksc" (or a shortcut to it) and a few moments later, I'm sitting at gamera's prompt. I've done this for all my frequent connections (telnet, dialed, and a direct connect via null modem to Linux too) and put shortcuts to each in a folder on my start menu. Now, a few clicks gets me there without messing with the dialer ... convenient! And I discovered that the ksc file did not have to be anywhere special, since Windows95 passes a fully qualified drive:\path\name (%1) to K95.exe. And, of course, when Explorer shows me one of these ksc files in a folder (with details) it identified as being of the type "Kermit script". Enjoy! - Vince ___ Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 18:38:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28168 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:38:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA22108 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:38:41 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!caen!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!hookup!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!ncar!noao!stsci!usenet From: Gary Gladney Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 & wsock Date: 3 Jan 1996 19:29:58 GMT Organization: Space Telescope Science Inst. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4celfm$a0j@marvel.stsci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: valhalla.stsci.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12 (X11; I; OSF1 V3.0 alpha) X-URL: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc#4ced4b$ma@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to use Kermit 95 while using a SLIP connection. I get this error mesage when I try and telnet using Kermit 95 "Cannot connect to socket" . I am using the trumpet winsock 2.0 and I noticed that windows 95 comes with somting called wsock.exe (I think that what it is) and Trumpet uses Winsock.exe There was also a Winsock.exe for Windows 95 but the Trumpet software would not work using that so I save the old Winsock.exe and copied the one from the Trumpet distribution and that seems to work. All the comm aplications that was written for windows 3.1 and 3.11 seem to run fine but I cannot get the windows 95 comm aplications to work. Does anyone know if Trumpet has a Windows 95 version of thier Winsock ? thanks for the help gary gladney gladney@stsci.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 19:29:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01843 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA24661 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:29:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 & wsock Date: 4 Jan 1996 00:29:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4cf71b$o2i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4celfm$a0j@marvel.stsci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4celfm$a0j@marvel.stsci.edu>, Gary Gladney wrote: >I am trying to use Kermit 95 while using a SLIP connection. I get this error >mesage when I try and telnet using Kermit 95 "Cannot connect to socket" . I >am using the trumpet winsock 2.0 and I noticed that windows 95 comes with >somting called wsock.exe (I think that what it is) and Trumpet uses Winsock.exe > There was also a Winsock.exe for Windows 95 but the Trumpet software would >not work using that so I save the old Winsock.exe and copied the one from the >Trumpet distribution and that seems to work. All the comm aplications that was >written for windows 3.1 and 3.11 seem to run fine but I cannot get the windows >95 comm aplications to work. Does anyone know if Trumpet has a Windows 95 >version of thier Winsock ? Kermit-95 is a 32-bit WinSock application and requires the 32-bit DLL. The 32-bit DLL is not part of the current Trumpet distribution and so Windows 95 TCP/IP applications will not work with it. There is a 32-bit Trumpet current in Beta test. But it is not ready for release and is not free for the taking. Kermit-95 from release 1.1.2 on up will work with the upcoming 32-bit Trumpet TCP/IP WinSock stack. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 19:50:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03412 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:50:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA25670 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:50:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!world!blanket.mitre.org!linus.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!usenet From: Jeff Heim Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ISDN? Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 15:00:16 -0800 Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 18 Message-ID: <30EB0A80.B86@mitre.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: ilab-nx4.mitre.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b2 (Macintosh; I; 68K) This may be a really dumb question, it's definitely naive. But does Kermit work with ISDN and is it something that one would want to do? I'm currently using Kermit and some 28.8 modems. The files that I'm transferring may get a lot bigger and I need to come up with some alternatives. I haven't seen any discussion of ISDN in the faq, the book, or this newsgroup. If anyone can shed some light I'd appreciate it, just don't make the flame too hot. Thanks, Jeff Heim The Mitre Corporation From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 19:58:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04005 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA26117 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:58:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ISDN? Date: 4 Jan 1996 00:58:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4cf8nf$pg3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <30EB0A80.B86@mitre.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <30EB0A80.B86@mitre.org>, Jeff Heim wrote: >This may be a really dumb question, it's >definitely naive. But does Kermit work >with ISDN and is it something that one would >want to do? It depends on how you have your ISDN connection set up. In most cases you will use ISDN as a wire for a TCP/IP connection. In which case Kermit software will work just as it always does over the IP network. The other way to use ISDN is as a digital telephone. In this case you would need to be calling another number that is also an ISDN number. When used in this manner the ISDN drivers will provide a virtual COM port driver. Kermit (or any other communications software) would then talk to the ISDN modem via this virtual COM port. So the answer is 'yes' whichever way you want to do it. Kermit does indeed work with ISDN. Whether you want to do it depends on how much money you have to spend and whether or not it is available in your area. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 3 20:05:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA04641 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 20:05:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA26602 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jan 1996 20:05:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!caen!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times) Message-ID: <1996Jan3.152704.70413@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Jan 96 15:27:03 MDT References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4cekcm$jos@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 50 In article <4cekcm$jos@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) writes: > Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > > # > I'd also like to see a way to preserve the scrollback buffer > # > when logging out of a TCP session. > # > # It is preserved, actually. But to see it we must be in > # terminal emulation mode where the character sets and visual > # attributes are available. It is available when a new session > # is started, or when we rollback during another session. > > I just ran a little test. I started up a TCP session on host A and > then started up another on host B. While on host B the screen data > from host A were still visible. I then went back to host A, but found > that nothing in the B session was in the scrollback buffer. I then > created a new screen on A and switched back to B. Nothing of the new > A material was visible on B. Something isn't right at your place. This does not happen here. Each fresh Telnet session gets a fresh startup screen, a clean one. Which version of MSK please, and is the scrollback buffer in expanded memory (and is that memory given a safe place for its frame buffer?). SHOW TERM will tell if the buffer is in expanded memory (Term: expanded-memory on or off). > So it looks like rather than having one continuous buffer, when you > start a new buffer, old material "seeds" it, but nothing new gets > added. There's no seeding per se. There is only one scrollback buffer, which can be gigantic. What is added are lines scrolled off the top of the screen. If no scroll off the top then no scrollback information. > Also, when you log off of simultaneous sessions, each buffer is lost > except for the last one. If you try to look at that one by entering > C, Kermit will also reconnect, so you have to deal with the login > prompt. No, the scrollback buffer persists. The active screen vanishes however because it is not in the scrollback buffer. > All this doesn't seem like a system that anyone would actually design > intentionally. But I did, and I find it to be productive yet use only reasonable resources. It could be better, but that will cost. Thanks, Joe D. > David Johns From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 4 07:56:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA29676 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 07:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA26816 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 07:55:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!decwrl!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!uknet!netman1 From: richa@cartermill.com (Mr. Atkinson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for Solaris Date: Thu, 04 Jan 96 09:29:19 GMT Organization: Cartermill International Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4cg6pd$h1r@bsdi002.britain.eu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: netman1.lcd.co.uk X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Hi there, Does anyone know where I could get a copy of kermit for Solaris 2.3 ?? Thanks in advance. R.Atkinson From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 4 11:26:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18771 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 11:26:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA10307 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 11:25:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: <73172.1615@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: using kermit w/ vertex software and PDT-3300 terminal Date: 4 Jan 1996 15:57:23 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4cgtd3$m5h@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ad36-167.compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain Keywords: vertex X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (16-bit) version 3.10.08.25 i am using kermit to transmit files from a PC to a PDT-3300 portable terminal. earlier in the summer when performing some initial testing i found that when transmitting a file that already existed on the portable that the new file was renamed...which is what i expected. presently, when i transmit a file that already exists it is just overwriting the file. i have checked the MSKERMIT.INI file and i do have SET WARNING ON. i did a SHOW FILE command and it confirmed that files that already existed would be renamed to a new file. but...this is not occurring. can anyone give me suggestions of what is going wrong? thanks in advance... From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 4 13:58:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04903 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:58:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA18525 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 13:58:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times) Date: 4 Jan 1996 18:40:33 GMT Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4ch6v1$e55@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4cekcm$jos@huron.eel.ufl.edu> <1996Jan3.152704.70413@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: # Something isn't right at your place. This does not # happen here. Each fresh Telnet session gets a fresh startup # screen, a clean one. Which version of MSK please, and is the # scrollback buffer in expanded memory (and is that memory given # a safe place for its frame buffer?). SHOW TERM will tell if # the buffer is in expanded memory (Term: expanded-memory on or # off). # # [...] # # There's no seeding per se. There is only one # scrollback buffer, which can be gigantic. What is added are # lines scrolled off the top of the screen. If no scroll off the # top then no scrollback information. # # [...] # # No, the scrollback buffer persists. The active screen # vanishes however because it is not in the scrollback buffer. Oops! It never occurred to me that the current screen isn't part of the buffer, since you never have the buffer without the current screen in a serial connection. When I generated data beyond the first screen, it worked right. I think I'll admit to wishing for the moon here. The only "logical" design is for each session to have its own buffer, including the current screen -- and also its own emulator, key assignments, etc. And of course that's what happens with winsock programs, because each session is a separate process. But I can see that multiple sessions under DOS just can't be done to the same completeness, at least without all sorts of virtual memory arrangements. Never mind! :-) David Johns From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 4 15:27:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12912 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:27:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA23335 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 15:27:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!telepost.no!oslonett.no!sn.no!oslonett.no!sn.no!not-for-mail From: perlange@sn.no (Per H Lange) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Counting bytes sent/received Date: 4 Jan 1996 15:15:58 +0100 Organization: SN Internett Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4cgneu$kr9@sinsen.sn.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: sinsen.sn.no X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Does Kermit keep track of how many bytes have been sent/received on the current connection ? The reason why I am asking this is that the we will be connecting to our customer via X.25. Kermit is used to telnet to a Cisco box which automatically opens a X.25 connection to the customers machine. We then charge the customers based on the connection cost (+ the work involved). The problem is that X.25 connection cost is not only based on how long the connection was open but also on how much data was sent/received. If it would be possible to get that information from kermit, then it would make it easy to store that information in a log file. Thanks Steinthor Bjarnason CBA A/S Oslo, Norway -- Per H. Lange | CBA A/S | perlange@oslonett.no | | From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 4 18:21:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28776 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:21:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA02072 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:20:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newslink.runet.edu!not-for-mail From: ibelooze@runet.edu (Ilya) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit and comit Date: 4 Jan 1996 22:39:36 GMT Organization: Radford University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4chkv8$n1v@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: muselab-gw.runet.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Hello. I am trying to upload some files using kermit and comit. On my Unix account I type "kermit" and then "r" at the kermit prompt. Then I go to comit's menu and choose "Send", "xmodem" options. However, the file does not get transferred. I have also tried doing the procedure in reverse, i.e., running comit's menu options and then entering kermit. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions via email. Thank you for your time. ========================================================================== Ilya Beloozerov email: ibelooze@runet.edu, finger: ibelooze@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu PGP key is available by finger or at http://www.cs.runet.edu/~ibelooze This message is sponsored by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. ========================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 4 20:02:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06248 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 20:02:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA07248 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 20:02:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Counting bytes sent/received Date: 4 Jan 1996 18:54:11 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4chpb3$sj1@panix.com> References: <4cgneu$kr9@sinsen.sn.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix.com In article <4cgneu$kr9@sinsen.sn.no>, Per H Lange wrote: >Does Kermit keep track of how many bytes have been sent/received >on the current connection ? You could log the entire session to a log file and then check the size of the log file. marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 4 22:52:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17403 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA15759 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Jan 1996 22:52:33 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Future (was Re: Connecting to the Same Site Multiple Times) Message-ID: <1996Jan4.162327.70510@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Jan 96 16:23:27 MDT References: <4bcrfp$lvh@piano.synapse.net> <4bt2qs$ap@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4ch6v1$e55@huron.eel.ufl.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 50 In article <4ch6v1$e55@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, afn10375@afn.org (David A. Johns) writes: > Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > > # Something isn't right at your place. This does not > # happen here. Each fresh Telnet session gets a fresh startup > # screen, a clean one. Which version of MSK please, and is the > # scrollback buffer in expanded memory (and is that memory given > # a safe place for its frame buffer?). SHOW TERM will tell if > # the buffer is in expanded memory (Term: expanded-memory on or > # off). > # > # [...] > # > # There's no seeding per se. There is only one > # scrollback buffer, which can be gigantic. What is added are > # lines scrolled off the top of the screen. If no scroll off the > # top then no scrollback information. > # > # [...] > # > # No, the scrollback buffer persists. The active screen > # vanishes however because it is not in the scrollback buffer. > > Oops! It never occurred to me that the current screen isn't part of > the buffer, since you never have the buffer without the current screen > in a serial connection. When I generated data beyond the first > screen, it worked right. > > I think I'll admit to wishing for the moon here. The only "logical" > design is for each session to have its own buffer, including the > current screen -- and also its own emulator, key assignments, etc. > And of course that's what happens with winsock programs, because each > session is a separate process. But I can see that multiple sessions > under DOS just can't be done to the same completeness, at least > without all sorts of virtual memory arrangements. > > Never mind! :-) > > David Johns --------- MSK's Telnet sessions are completely separate up to the point of using one scrollback buffer, and that buffer is in expanded memory if you let it be there. Each session has its own terminal emulation characteristics including keyboard layout. It's in the release docs. Scrollback buffers get to be just plain too large to keep in physical memory, and as you say we get involved with swapping systems (ugh). I can offer my own reaction to all this because I very often run with several simultaneous Telnet sessions to keep slightly ahead of the deluge: the current method works out ok, could be a tad better but it's effective as-is. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 00:19:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23680 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 00:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA20016 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 00:19:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit and comit Date: 5 Jan 1996 05:19:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4cicdc$jhd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4chkv8$n1v@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4chkv8$n1v@newslink.runet.edu>, Ilya wrote: > >Hello. I am trying to upload some files using kermit and >comit. On my Unix account I type "kermit" and then "r" >at the kermit prompt. Then I go to comit's menu and choose >"Send", "xmodem" options. However, the file does not get >transferred. I have also tried doing the procedure in reverse, >i.e., running comit's menu options and then entering kermit. Your problem is that you are trying to send with "xmodem" and receive with "kermit". These are two completely different and incompatible file transfer protocols. Try using a communications program like MS-DOS Kermit which supports Kermit file transfer protocol on your PC. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 03:32:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA07908 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 03:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA22466 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 03:32:46 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!news.spies.com!genmagic!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit and comit Date: 5 Jan 1996 00:10:20 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4chq9c$31d@hustle.rahul.net> References: <4chkv8$n1v@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Ilya (ibelooze@runet.edu) wrote: : Hello. I am trying to upload some files using kermit and : comit. On my Unix account I type "kermit" and then "r" The kermit command, entered this way, expects kermit protocol for the transfer. : at the kermit prompt. Then I go to comit's menu and choose : "Send", "xmodem" options. However, the file does not get You are sending in an XModem protocol, which Kermit doesn't understand. Rather than using COMIT, which probably came free with your modem because no one would ever pay for it, why not try MSKermit, since you already have kermit on the Unix machine. Details via email. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 06:00:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA17361 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA24235 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 06:00:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!kusogari From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: two machine "network" using tcp/ip Date: 5 Jan 1996 08:56:09 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Reply-To: cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: kuso.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Is it possible to direct connect network cards on two machines and running a minimal tcp/ip "network" using kermit? What ip addresses would one use? Would it be necessary to have a name server configure? >From an ethernet faq, I know that you can connect two (and only) two cards using 10-BaseT wiring with a cross over to get something similar to an ethernet "null modem" but I've not found any discussion of software setup for such a configuration. The connections I am thinking of would be OS2 Connect -> MsDos Kermit SCO UNIX ODT -> MsDos Kermit MsDos Kermit -> MsDos Kermit -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 08:56:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06716 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:56:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA15847 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 08:56:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!torn!news.unb.ca!usenet From: Ken Banks Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit code for Intel 8051 family ? Date: 5 Jan 1996 13:29:48 GMT Organization: University of New Brunswick Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4cj94c$a5b@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: osiris.ee.unb.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) X-URL: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc I'm looking for kermit code for the Intel 8031 8-bit microcontroller. Any sources? Couldn't find it at columbia.edu. Thanks From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 09:59:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11983 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA19010 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:58:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Solaris Date: 5 Jan 1996 14:58:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4cjebc$ihv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4cg6pd$h1r@bsdi002.britain.eu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4cg6pd$h1r@bsdi002.britain.eu.net>, Mr. Atkinson wrote: : Does anyone know where I could get a copy of kermit for Solaris 2.3 ?? : Thanks in advance. : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/unix.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 10:18:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13963 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA20119 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:18:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: using kermit w/ vertex software and PDT-3300 terminal Date: 5 Jan 1996 15:18:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4cjffl$jkk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4cgtd3$m5h@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: vertex In article <4cgtd3$m5h@dub-news-svc-6.compuserve.com>, <73172.1615@compuserve.com> wrote: : i am using kermit to transmit files from a PC to a PDT-3300 portable : terminal. earlier in the summer when performing some initial testing i : found that when transmitting a file that already existed on the portable : that the new file was renamed...which is what i expected. presently, : when i transmit a file that already exists it is just overwriting the : file. i have checked the MSKERMIT.INI file and i do have SET WARNING : ON. i did a SHOW FILE command and it confirmed that files that already : existed would be renamed to a new file. but...this is not occurring. : can anyone give me suggestions of what is going wrong? : Let's assume that you are using the current version of MS-DOS Kermit, which is 3.14. In this version, by default, the OLD file is renamed, rather than the incoming (new) file. The command that governs this is SET FILE COLLISION, with the following options: APPEND Append the incoming file to the existing file. BACKUP (default) Rename the EXISTING (old) file. RENAME Rename the incoming (new) file. OVERWRITE Overwrite the existing file. DISCARD Refuse to accept the incoming file. UPDATE Refuse to accept the incoming file if its creation date is earlier than that of the existing file -- works only if the other Kermit supplies this information. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 10:47:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16479 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA21446 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:47:23 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ISDN? Date: 5 Jan 1996 15:47:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 48 Message-ID: <4cjh68$ku4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <30EB0A80.B86@mitre.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <30EB0A80.B86@mitre.org>, Jeff Heim wrote: : This may be a really dumb question, it's definitely naive. But does : Kermit work with ISDN and is it something that one would want to do? : : I'm currently using Kermit and some 28.8 modems. The files that I'm : transferring may get a lot bigger and I need to come up with some : alternatives. I haven't seen any discussion of ISDN in the faq, the : book, or this newsgroup. : You will always get more informative answers to questions like this if you state which Kermit program you are talking about, on which type of computer and operating system. As other posters pointed out, ISDN is often a lower layer to other protocols, such as TCP/IP, in which case applications designed for the higher protocols should work transparently. In other cases, ISDN drivers make the ISDN connection mimic some familiar type of serial device, like a Hayes modem. Here is some specific information about using MS-DOS Kermit with ISDN, reproduced from section 2.2 of the KERMIT.UPD file: Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN) boards serve ISDN digital telephones, which provide (among other things) 64Kbps data transmission. ISDN boards are not serial boards, and therefore require special drivers. There is a Common Application Programming Interface (CAPI) for ISDN boards, defined by German Telecom and German ISDN manufacturers. CAPI drivers are supplied by ISDN board manufacturers. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 does not support CAPI directly, but shims exist that allow Kermit to be used with ISDN anyway, by disguising CAPI as the Fossil, Int 14, or Packet Driver interface, all of which are supported by Kermit. Examples: . cFos is a shareware fossil driver for CAPI, written by Martin Winkler & Christoph Lueders of Bonn, Germany. It is available via anonymous ftp from ftp.dfv.rwth-aachen.de:/pub/network/isdn/cfos, or by dialup to the Zaphods BBS in Bonn: +49 228 9111041. It supports both the Fossil and Int 14 interfaces, and presents ISDN controls in the form of Hayes-like AT commands. . PAPI is free software, GNU Public License, providing a SLIP-class packet driver interface to a CAPI driver, written by Dietmar Friede, Friede Consulting, Munich (Muenchen), German . Available via ftpmail to ftp.germany.eu.net (send email to archive-server@germany.eu.net containing the word "help"), or by ftp directly from ftp.dfv.rwth-aachen.de. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 10:53:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17181 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:53:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA21887 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:53:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Counting bytes sent/received Date: 5 Jan 1996 15:53:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4cjhi9$lbt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4cgneu$kr9@sinsen.sn.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4cgneu$kr9@sinsen.sn.no>, Per H Lange wrote: : Does Kermit keep track of how many bytes have been sent/received : on the current connection ? : : The reason why I am asking this is that the we will be connecting to : our customer via X.25. Kermit is used to telnet to a Cisco box which : automatically opens a X.25 connection to the customers machine. : We then charge the customers based on the connection cost (+ the : work involved). The problem is that X.25 connection cost is not only : based on how long the connection was open but also on how much data : was sent/received. If it would be possible to get that information : from kermit, then it would make it easy to store that information in : a log file. : It always helps to provide better answers if you state which Kermit program you are talking about, on which type of computer and operating system. Back in the old days, when people still used to look at source code, make modifications, and recompile, it was a great benefit that Kermit source code was available to everybody. While this world has largely disappeared, there are still some vestiges of it clinging to their obscure little niches. For example, odd though it may seem, some UNIX variants still include C compilers. If you are using C-Kermit in some type of UNIX, you could find the one or two places where C-Kermit actually outputs bytes to the communication device and install a simple counter there. The question of how to display or use this information is another matter. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 14:09:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05463 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA02631 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:09:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!telepost.no!oslonett.no!sn.no!oslonett.no!sn.no!not-for-mail From: perlange@sn.no (Per H Lange) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Counting bytes sent/received Date: 5 Jan 1996 14:55:12 +0100 Organization: SN Internett Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4cjak0$44e@sinsen.sn.no> References: <4cgneu$kr9@sinsen.sn.no> <4chpb3$sj1@panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sinsen.sn.no X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Marshall G. Flax (mgflax@panix.com) wrote: : In article <4cgneu$kr9@sinsen.sn.no>, Per H Lange wrote: : >Does Kermit keep track of how many bytes have been sent/received : >on the current connection ? : : You could log the entire session to a log file and then check the : size of the log file. : Yes, put that helps me only to keep track of how many bytes sent and recieved in interactive mode. All data sent/received when transferring files is not written to the session log file. I know about the transact.log file but it contains only the size of the file(s) being sent/received, not the actual byte count. Steinthor -- Per H. Lange | CBA A/S | perlange@oslonett.no | | From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 14:57:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09436 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:57:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA05218 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 14:57:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!ames!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!altair.krl.caltech.edu!shoppa From: shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Counting bytes sent/received Date: 5 Jan 1996 19:33:59 GMT Organization: Kellogg Radiation Lab, Caltech Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4cjuf7$oi7@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <4cgneu$kr9@sinsen.sn.no> <4cjhi9$lbt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: altair.krl.caltech.edu In article <4cjhi9$lbt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >For example, odd though it may seem, some UNIX variants still include C >compilers. If you are using C-Kermit in some type of UNIX, you could find >the one or two places where C-Kermit actually outputs bytes to the >communication device and install a simple counter there. The question of >how to display or use this information is another matter. Some implementations of Unix also allow you to do iostat on individual ports/terminals. See the man page for iostat(1) on a particular machine for details. Tim. (shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu) From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 20:10:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA07869 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 20:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA22085 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 20:10:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: two machine "network" using tcp/ip Message-ID: <1996Jan5.163512.70601@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Jan 96 16:35:12 MDT References: <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 In article <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) writes: > Is it possible to direct connect network cards on two machines > and running a minimal tcp/ip "network" using kermit? What ip > addresses would one use? Would it be necessary to have a name > server configure? > > From an ethernet faq, I know that you can connect two (and only) > two cards using 10-BaseT wiring with a cross over to get > something similar to an ethernet "null modem" but I've not found > any discussion of software setup for such a configuration. The > connections I am thinking of would be > > OS2 Connect -> MsDos Kermit > SCO UNIX ODT -> MsDos Kermit > MsDos Kermit -> MsDos Kermit > > -- > Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, > Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk ------------ Yes, of course it is. It's up to you to select IP addresses and subnet masks and all that jazz. For a completely (and I do mean completely) isolated hookup you can use IP of 10.0.0.x which is a Class A private network (please read RFC1597.TXT). Never have this hooked to another net. We don't get into how you can create a home network with sundry equipment. Other NEWS groups are flooded with such discussions and you are better off with them. You may also benefit from talking with your local Computer Center about such matters (it's been awhile since I was at your University so I can't provide pointers to whom). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 5 21:29:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA13512 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 21:29:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA25681 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jan 1996 21:29:12 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.new-york.net!spcuna!spcvxb!5leitgeb_c From: 5leitgeb_c@spcvxa.spc.edu Subject: X-Nntp-Posting-Host: spcvxa.spc.edu Sender: news@spcuna.spc.edu (Network News) X-Nntp-Posting-User: 5LEITGEB_C Organization: St. Peter's College, US Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 01:13:56 GMT Message-ID: <1996Jan5.201356.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> Lines: 19 I use kermit to download files from my school's VAX computer, and I was wondering if it's possible to get a faster CPS rate with this protocol. I connect to the VAX at 14400 baud using a Zoom internal 14400 fax/modem and I use Telix as my terminal program. When transferring GIF's or other binary files, the maximum CPS is about 370. When transferring a text file, it increases to around 420 CPS. Is this the maximum Kermit can do, or is there some parameter I can change? I also tried Kermit with my father's US Robotics Sportster 28800 fax/modem, and the CPS rate slowed down even more. I know from experience that Zmodem can do about 1500 cps at 14400 easily. Any help would be appreciated, since I'm not that familiar with the Kermit protocol. -Craig 5leitgeb_c@spcvxa.spc.edu Saint Peter's College From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 6 04:06:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA11191 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 04:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA08391 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 04:06:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!news.rmii.com!thoth.nilenet.com!ra!gweisz From: gweisz@ra (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: screen fonts for old laptops? Date: 5 Jan 1996 11:56:08 GMT Organization: NileNet, Ltd. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4cj3ko$6ko@thoth.nilenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ra.nilenet.com hi. the reason i'm posting this in the kermit group is that kermit is so international that some folks here might have run across this problem (and see also re kermit, in the following). i'm corresponding with someone who has a zenith laptop from about 1988. the manual says that there are up to 12 video modes possible, though zenith says this is cga (perhaps they're counting what one could get with a hercules?). we can't get hebrew screen fonts to work, and this would certainly affect mskermit 3.14, as it is using a vga type font (which we have also tried and in fact doesn't work there). ie, 3.14 would not give hebrew screen fonts in this situation, without modification. any help would be very much appreciated. we've gone through a lot of frustration already. i'm not sure whether any answers should be posted here, or just a solution that definitely works, perhaps (?) thanks, gideon -- gideon weisz ïåòãâ [boulder, colorado] From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 6 07:14:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA12120 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 07:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA27369 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 07:14:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu!afn10375 From: afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Date: 6 Jan 1996 12:04:42 GMT Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4clogq$nrs@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <1996Jan5.201356.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) In <1996Jan5.201356.1@spcvxb.spc.edu>, 5leitgeb_c@spcvxb.spc.edu wrote: # I use kermit to download files from my school's VAX # computer, and I was wondering if it's possible to get a faster # CPS rate with this protocol. I connect to the VAX at 14400 # baud using a Zoom internal 14400 fax/modem and I use Telix as # my terminal program. When transferring GIF's or other binary # files, the maximum CPS is about 370. When transferring a text # file, it increases to around 420 CPS. # # Is this the maximum Kermit can do, or is there some # parameter I can change? I also tried Kermit with my father's # US Robotics Sportster 28800 fax/modem, and the CPS rate slowed # down even more. I know from experience that Zmodem can do # about 1500 cps at 14400 easily. I have used a certain VAX host for about nine years now. At first they had 2400 bps modems and I had a 1200, and Kermit downloads were around 70 cps. Finally they and I got 9600 modems, and someone installed ZModem on the VAX, and ZModem transfers went up to 850-900 cps, but the Kermit transfers only went up to about 150 cps. Apparently there was some problem in the way Kermit was implemented or installed on that machine. I don't know if they've upgraded Kermit at all since they went to 9600 at least 5 years ago, but I just looked and found that their Kermit is VMS Kermit-32 3.3.117. I don't know how old it is, but it doesn't have sliding windows or command-line switches, and the range of acceptable receive packet lengths is 10-90! My experience in general in dealing with hosts on the net is that they assume that people will only be using Kermit if they are coming in through some sort of connection that requires maximum robustness rather than maximum speed, so they make no attempt to optimize for the same conditions that make ZModem usable. And maybe they have a point. I use a couple of hosts that I can call directly, but they're long distance, or access through a series of links from a local call. When I do it that way, Kermit is the only transfer protocol I can use. If they optimized for the direct dial-ups, I would have no way to transfer files through my series of telnet and local connections. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 6 21:41:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA27606 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 21:41:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA07212 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 21:41:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit with Cardinal 144i? Message-ID: <1996Jan6.184457.70678@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Jan 96 18:44:57 MDT References: <4cn48h$1f3a@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 In article <4cn48h$1f3a@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>, Kevin.Dorma@ualberta.ca@ravana.srv.ualberta.ca (Kevin Dorma) writes: > Kermites! > > I am upgrading from Kermit 3.10 to 3.14. 3.14 is not recognizing > my modem:[ > > Modem: Cardinal MVP 144DSP-C (firmware upgrade to 196) > Port : com3 (Set Port bios3) > Init : at&f > > I tried the Digicom 144p setup, heard digicom developed the Cardinal > firmware. Failure:( > By the way my initialization must be wro1cng for 3.10 2400 baud > connections are clean, but at real speeds the modem acts like a manual > line buffer. > Read the manual you say? > Been there > Done that > Got nowhere. ---------- Try again. Don't use BIOS3 unless you want zilch performance. See command SET COM3 in the docs. You'll have to read the manual on your modem to see what commands it wants, and you can try them by hand to see if they work on your paticular unit. Then modify the dialer entry of choice to match. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 7 05:50:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA00469 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 05:50:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA19061 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 05:50:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!torn!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!ravana!Kevin.Dorma@ualberta.ca From: Kevin.Dorma@ualberta.ca@ravana.srv.ualberta.ca (Kevin Dorma) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit with Cardinal 144i? Date: 7 Jan 1996 00:31:13 GMT Organization: Dept. of Chemical Engineering, University of Alberta Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4cn48h$1f3a@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ravana.eche.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Kermites! I am upgrading from Kermit 3.10 to 3.14. 3.14 is not recognizing my modem:[ Modem: Cardinal MVP 144DSP-C (firmware upgrade to 196) Port : com3 (Set Port bios3) Init : at&f I tried the Digicom 144p setup, heard digicom developed the Cardinal firmware. Failure:( By the way my initialization must be wro1cng for 3.10 2400 baud connections are clean, but at real speeds the modem acts like a manual line buffer. Read the manual you say? Been there Done that Got nowhere. ragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragman RAG You speak not to a mouth-piece ! of THE SUITS, but a Man, ! Don't rag on Me man Fearless in a croud, ! I'm just another corpse Vocal in anonymity, ! looking for a nice, dark, hole. Responsible for nothing. ! MAN manragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanrag From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 7 10:25:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25521 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 10:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA12254 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 10:25:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.emich.edu!emunix.emich.edu!remmers From: remmers@emich.edu (John H. Remmers) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Date: 7 Jan 1996 15:01:31 GMT Organization: Eastern Michigan University, Ypsilanti Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4con8b$jm2@orphan.emich.edu> References: <1996Jan5.201356.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> <4clogq$nrs@huron.eel.ufl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: emunix.emich.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] David A. Johns (afn10375@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu) wrote: : I have used a certain VAX host for about nine years now. At first : they had 2400 bps modems and I had a 1200, and Kermit downloads were : around 70 cps. Finally they and I got 9600 modems, and someone : installed ZModem on the VAX, and ZModem transfers went up to 850-900 : cps, but the Kermit transfers only went up to about 150 cps. : Apparently there was some problem in the way Kermit was implemented or : installed on that machine. : I don't know if they've upgraded Kermit at all since they went to 9600 : at least 5 years ago, but I just looked and found that their Kermit is : VMS Kermit-32 3.3.117. I don't know how old it is, but it doesn't : have sliding windows or command-line switches, and the range of : acceptable receive packet lengths is 10-90! VMS Kermit-32 is pretty primitive. But recent versions of C-Kermit are available for VAX/VMS, supporting long packets, sliding windows, and the usual command line arguments. C-Kermit was installed on the VMS system I use a while back and delivers the same kind of excellent performance, both over direct dial and network connections, that I've come to expect of it on other platforms. - John - -- John H. Remmers | remmers@emunix.emich.edu Eastern Michigan University | http://emunix.emich.edu/~remmers Dept. of Computer Science | NOTE: Do not read this message fast. It Ypsilanti, MI 48197 | is never right to read messages fast. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 7 16:18:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18457 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA29080 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 16:18:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.io.com!io.com!not-for-mail From: bei@io.com (Bob Izenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "sportster" definition in ckudia.c Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 7 Jan 1996 14:48:42 -0600 Organization: Ask me later Lines: 22 Distribution: na Message-ID: <4cpbja$1is@xanadu.io.com> Reply-To: bei@io.com NNTP-Posting-Host: xanadu.io.com Environment: ISC 2.2 - 3.0 with networking/job control and gcc Version: 5A(190) The MDINF stanza for USRobotics HST-class modems turns both MNP and ARQ off when mnp-enable is off. I don't use MNP but I do use ARQ, so I applied this to ckudia.c to have "mnp-enable off" do only what it says that it will do: 2230c2230 < ttslow("AT&M0&K0\015",pmdminf->wake_rate); --- > ttslow("AT&M4&K3\015",pmdminf->wake_rate); Is "mnp-enable" supposed to turn off all error correction? Bob -- ============================================================ Bob Izenberg home: 512-442-0614 bei@io.com work: 512-306-0700 ============================================================ From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 7 22:41:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13760 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA17780 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 22:41:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.flinet.com!usenet From: GG Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: setting up system to answer so one can use server commands Date: 8 Jan 1996 03:24:41 GMT Organization: Florida Internet Lines: 3 Message-ID: <4cq2pp$bd@news.flinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wpb37.flinet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Does anyone know, how do you initialize a remote kermit system to answer automatically? From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 7 23:36:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA17140 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA20323 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 23:36:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: setting up system to answer so one can use server commands Date: 8 Jan 1996 04:36:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4cq70e$jr1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4cq2pp$bd@news.flinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4cq2pp$bd@news.flinet.com>, GG wrote: >Does anyone know, how do you initialize a remote kermit system to answer >automatically? > Which Keermit are you using? On which Operating Sysetem are you using it? Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 8 03:02:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA02463 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 03:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA24963 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 03:02:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nntpserver.pppl.gov!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!newshub.cts.com!news1.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!crl.crl.com!not-for-mail From: randyd@crl.com (Randy Ding) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: setting up system to answer so one can use server commands Date: 7 Jan 1996 20:11:53 -0800 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 139 Message-ID: <4cq5i9$h13@crl.crl.com> References: <4cq2pp$bd@news.flinet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com In article <4cq2pp$bd@news.flinet.com>, GG wrote: >Does anyone know, how do you initialize a remote kermit system to answer >automatically? > I am including a scrap of my mscustom.ini from 3.14, this has never been tested on k95, probably won't work there but I have no idea what you are running either. Randy. randyd@crl.com www.crl.com/~randyd ; ******************************************************************* ; macros for chat and auto-answer ; important: must do NOANSWER after you are done with ANSWER session ; so that modem does not answer any following voice calls! define nochat - set terminal newline off,- set local-echo off,- echo Chat Dissabled. define chat - set terminal newline on,- set local-echo on,- connect ; 'dial =' inits the modem and makes it ready for communications ; and will hang up modem if connected ; enable auto-answer, takes one parameter for number of rings define answer - if = \v(argc) 1 fatal {How many rings?},- if not numeric \%1 fatal {Argument must be number!},- if > \%1 9 fatal {Range error!},- if < \%1 1 fatal {Range error!},- echo Auto-answer mode...,- echo Will answer on \%1 rings.,- dial =,- if failure forward ansbad1,- set input timeout proceed,- set input echo off,- output ATQ0V1\13,- input 2 OK,- if failure forward ansbad,- output ats0=\%1\13,- input 2 OK,- if failure forward ansbad,- set input echo on,- echo Auto-Answer Enabled. Remember to enter NOANSWER when done!,- end 0,- :ansbad,- echo Turn on or connect your modem!,- :ansbad1,- set input echo on,- end 1 ; disable auto-answer define noanswer - set input timeout proceed,- set input echo off,- output ATQ0V1\13,- input 2 OK,- if success forward noansok,- echo Wait 1 moment\44 your modem appears to be still connected.,- output +++,- input 2 OK,- if failure forward noansbad,- output ATQ0V1\13,- input 2 OK,- if failure forward noansbad,- output ats0=0\13,- input 2 OK,- if failure forward noansbad,- output ato\13,- forward noansok1,- :noansok,- output ats0=0\13,- input 2 OK,- if failure forward noansbad,- :noansok1,- set input echo on,- echo Auto-Answer Disabled.,- end 0,- :noansbad,- set input echo on,- echo Turn on or connect your modem!,- end 1 ; dials a phone number, not intended to be used for calling another modem define pcdial - if < \v(argc) 2 forward pcbad1,- set input timeout proceed,- set input echo off,- output ATQ0V1\13,- input 2 OK,- if failure forward pcbad2,- echo Dialing \%1,- assign \%2 \v(carrier),- set carrier off,- output ATDT\%1;\13,- input 8 OK,- if failure forward pcbad3,- pause 8,- output ATH0\13,- set carrier \%2,- end 0,- :pcbad1,- echo Not enough parameters.,- end 0,- :pcbad2,- echo Turn on or connect your modem!,- end 0,- :pcbad3,- echo Turn on or connect your modem!,- athangup,- set carrier \%2,- end 0 ; goto server mode, answer on %1 rings, exit at time %2 or after %2 seconds define myserver - do answer \%1,- set server login randyd yourpasswordhere,- server \%2,- noanswer,- quit From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 8 08:28:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00289 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:28:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA16978 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 08:28:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!pravda.aa.msen.com!news1.best.com!news.texas.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!wizard.pn.com!news.zeitgeist.net!news.pixi.com!ghidora17 From: chip@pixi.com (William K. Marshall) Newsgroups: fj.net.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Subject: No handshake xfers Date: Sun, 07 Jan 96 13:26:06 GMT Organization: Pacific Information eXchange, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4cqnvm$iii@rigel.pixi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ghidora17.pixi.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.columbia.edu fj.net.modems:552 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4451 comp.protocols.misc:5227 Here's one for you all... I am trying to set up a way to transfer from the unclassified LAN at my workplace to the classified LAN. I am using a batch file, Procomm Plus with a direct connection to the serial port,and two fiber optic modems with only the transmit side on the unclass connected to the recieve side of the class. The only way I have been able to accomplish this is to zip the files, uuencode the zip file and transfer usin plain ASCII. This is fine, it works very well, but It takes about 4 hours to transmit 10 Meg. The problem with using something like Kermit or Zmodem is that the software wants to see some handshaking. Is there someone out there who knows of a binary protocol that does not require handshaking, or is there a way to turn it off on any others? Any and all assistance is appreciated. William K. Marshall chip@pixi.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 8 09:35:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04608 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:35:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA20166 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 09:35:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!news-server.ncren.net!concert!ais!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: two machine "network" using tcp/ip Message-ID: <1996Jan8.032053.8679@ais> Date: 8 Jan 96 03:20:53 EST References: <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 43 In article <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) writes: > Is it possible to direct connect network cards on two machines > and running a minimal tcp/ip "network" using kermit? What ip > addresses would one use? Would it be necessary to have a name > server configure? > > From an ethernet faq, I know that you can connect two (and only) > two cards using 10-BaseT wiring with a cross over to get > something similar to an ethernet "null modem" but I've not found > any discussion of software setup for such a configuration. The > connections I am thinking of would be > > OS2 Connect -> MsDos Kermit > SCO UNIX ODT -> MsDos Kermit > MsDos Kermit -> MsDos Kermit For a small network, you are probably better off running 10-Base2 (ThinWire): this does not limit you to 2 nodes and does not require a hub. As always, you will need to be careful in your selection of equipment to make sure that the interfaces all support 10-Base2 or else you will end up buying (relatively) expensive transceivers in order to connect to the backbone. The simplest implementation would not have a name server but would give each node the static address of every other node. You would use a network submask of 255.255.255.0 and all of the nodes would have addresses of 10.0.0.x, where x is unique for each machine. Configuring this isn't very hard, but you may have to experiment around a bit to find a packet driver that works with your network card on the DOS machine -- a lot of software is rather picky about what cards it will support, to the extent that different revision levels of the same card may or may not work with different revision levels of the software. Try to get the most recent editions of both and you will probably be OK; also, if possible bring up the DOS machine last since the software on it seems to be the most problematic and you can test the other machines first to make sure that you have a working network. Or, alternatively, use the TCP/IP stack in Windows 95 and use Kermit 95 -- the TCP/IP stack there seems to be less problematic than many of the packet drivers for native DOS. Good luck, Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 8 16:44:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06722 for ; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:44:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA12844 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:44:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Subject: Re: No handshake xfers Message-ID: <1996Jan8.125039.70773@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Jan 96 12:50:39 MDT References: <4cqnvm$iii@rigel.pixi.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4453 comp.protocols.misc:5230 In article <4cqnvm$iii@rigel.pixi.com>, chip@pixi.com (William K. Marshall) writes: > Here's one for you all... > > I am trying to set up a way to transfer from the unclassified LAN at my > workplace to the classified LAN. I am using a batch file, Procomm Plus with a > direct connection to the serial port,and two fiber optic modems with only the > transmit side on the unclass connected to the recieve side of the class. The > only way I have been able to accomplish this is to zip the files, uuencode the > zip file and transfer usin plain ASCII. This is fine, it works very well, but > It takes about 4 hours to transmit 10 Meg. > > The problem with using something like Kermit or Zmodem is that the software > wants to see some handshaking. Is there someone out there who knows of a > binary protocol that does not require handshaking, or is there a way to turn > it off on any others? > > Any and all assistance is appreciated. > > William K. Marshall > chip@pixi.com --------------- Dream on. No ACKs mean no protocol level flow control (and really no flow control at all for the truely paranoid situations), no feedback to the transmitter that information has become lost or damaged, no breaking deadlocks from lost information. A straight ASCII send and hope that it gets there also provides no error checking, no redundancy checking, no hole checking. In short, it's *The Worst Way* of transferring information. I would suggest you get together with your security people and discover that normal ACKs do not convey sensitive information and are required for robust transfers. Put a packet snoop on the wire and see this for yourself, particularly with Kermit file protocol transfers. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 9 03:22:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA20749 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 03:22:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA07795 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 03:22:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!hilbert.dnai.com!news.zeitgeist.net!news.pixi.com!godzilla05 From: chip@pixi.com (William K. Marshall) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Subject: Re: No handshake xfers Date: Mon, 08 Jan 96 10:49:55 GMT Organization: Pacific Information eXchange, Inc. Lines: 65 Message-ID: <4ct372$l8i@rigel.pixi.com> References: <4cqnvm$iii@rigel.pixi.com> <1996Jan8.125039.70773@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: godzilla05.pixi.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4454 comp.protocols.misc:5232 In article <1996Jan8.125039.70773@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: >In article <4cqnvm$iii@rigel.pixi.com>, chip@pixi.com (William K. Marshall) writes: >> Here's one for you all... >> >> I am trying to set up a way to transfer from the unclassified LAN at my >> workplace to the classified LAN. I am using a batch file, Procomm Plus with a >> direct connection to the serial port,and two fiber optic modems with only the >> transmit side on the unclass connected to the recieve side of the class. The >> only way I have been able to accomplish this is to zip the files, uuencode the >> zip file and transfer usin plain ASCII. This is fine, it works very well, but >> It takes about 4 hours to transmit 10 Meg. >> >> The problem with using something like Kermit or Zmodem is that the software >> wants to see some handshaking. Is there someone out there who knows of a >> binary protocol that does not require handshaking, or is there a way to turn >> it off on any others? >> >> Any and all assistance is appreciated. >> >> William K. Marshall >> chip@pixi.com >--------------- > Dream on. No ACKs mean no protocol level flow control (and really >no flow control at all for the truely paranoid situations), no feedback >to the transmitter that information has become lost or damaged, no breaking >deadlocks from lost information. A straight ASCII send and hope that it gets >there also provides no error checking, no redundancy checking, no hole >checking. In short, it's *The Worst Way* of transferring information. > I would suggest you get together with your security people and >discover that normal ACKs do not convey sensitive information and are >required for robust transfers. Put a packet snoop on the wire and see this >for yourself, particularly with Kermit file protocol transfers. > Joe D. The thing is that I am only using a 4 foot lenght of fiber between two 486's. The possibility for packet loss is remote. It is not a big deal if once in a while the users have to re-send the data. As for the security people... I am in the military. Just getting the permission to connect two computers in the way I have described took over a year, and the requirement for this is now. If I connect the transmit side from the classified side to the unclass side, there is a possibility of transferring data that way. Even if there is a way to turn the transfer off with the software, if someone knew how, they could turn it on and transfer the data. It is a little different if there is no hardware to do this with. It takes out the possibility of someone hacking or fat fingering thier way to an unapproved transfer. Thanks, Chip William K. Marshall chip@pixi.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 9 09:44:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24287 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:44:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA04095 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:44:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.WARWICK.NET!usenet From: 71231.104@compuserve.com (Richard Slobod) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit and comit Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 15:30:49 GMT Organization: Warwick Online Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4ctt4p$gs0@news1.warwick.net> References: <4chkv8$n1v@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: t5-01.warwick.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ibelooze@runet.edu (Ilya) wrote: >Hello. I am trying to upload some files using kermit and >comit. On my Unix account I type "kermit" and then "r" >at the kermit prompt. Then I go to comit's menu and choose >"Send", "xmodem" options. However, the file does not get >transferred. I have also tried doing the procedure in reverse, >i.e., running comit's menu options and then entering kermit. You can't use XModem; not surprisingly, the only transfer protocol Kermit supports is kermit. If Comit doesn't support the kermit transfer protocol you'll need to use a different comm program that does. Another alternative is to use XModem-compatible utilities at the Unix end. The usual such utilities are rx and sx; check their respective man pages for more information. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 9 10:54:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01605 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 10:54:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA07434 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 10:54:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!mercury.near.net!news From: fgoldstein@bbn.com (Fred R. Goldstein) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: No cursor in OS/2 CKermit 191 Date: 9 Jan 1996 15:31:17 GMT Organization: Bolt Beranek & Newman Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4cu1o5$e3p@mercury.near.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: isdnip.near.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 I just upgraded from "190 beta" to the official 191 build. It is faster, which is nice, but it never displays the cursor! I tried changing the cursor settings but they all worked as if they were "none" and "none". :-( This is with Warp 3.0 on a 486-DX2/66 clone, typically with Telnet. Any clues or patches? Thanks. -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fgoldstein@bbn.com +1 617 873 3850 Opinions are mine alone; sharing requires permission. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 9 16:31:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04318 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA06592 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:31:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci3!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!pdlmail.demon.co.uk From: Peter Disdale Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Subject: Re: No handshake xfers Date: Tue, 09 Jan 96 18:29:48 GMT Organization: Papa Delta Limited Lines: 51 Message-ID: <821212188snz@pdlmail.demon.co.uk> References: <4cqnvm$iii@rigel.pixi.com> <1996Jan8.125039.70773@cc.usu.edu> <4ct372$l8i@rigel.pixi.com> Reply-To: pete@pdlmail.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pdlmail.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 X-Mail2News-Path: pdlmail.demon.co.uk Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4457 comp.protocols.misc:5234 In article <4ct372$l8i@rigel.pixi.com> chip@pixi.com "William K. Marshall" writes: > In article <1996Jan8.125039.70773@cc.usu.edu>, > jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > > In article <4cqnvm$iii@rigel.pixi.com>, chip@pixi.com > > (William K. Marshall) writes: > > > > > Here's one for you all... > > > [original article, all good stuff, snipped] > > > > Dream on. No ACKs mean no protocol level flow control (and really > > no flow control at all for the truely paranoid situations), no feedback > > to the transmitter that information has become lost or damaged, no breaking > > deadlocks from lost information. A straight ASCII send and hope that it gets > > there also provides no error checking, no redundancy checking, no hole > > checking. In short, it's *The Worst Way* of transferring information. > > [..] > > The thing is that I am only using a 4 foot lenght of fiber between two 486's. > The possibility for packet loss is remote. It is not a big deal if once in a > while the users have to re-send the data. > > [..] Sounds to me as though what you are currently doing is the best you can hope for, but consider the following: 1. you mentioned in the original post 'modems'. Can these be eliminated and a direct connection be used instead? 2. why are you uuencoding the file? Are you limited to 7 bit characters by the 'modems'? If not, why not use 8 bit chars and send the ZIP directly - this would reduce the size (and hence time) by a quarter. 3. you said that a 10 Mb file takes around 4 hours to transfer. I might have done my sums wrong, but that means arounds 7000 bps. Is there any way you can run the com ports faster than this, say at 57600 bps? (Given of course that the 486s have 16550 UARTs.) As Joe said, you have no way of knowing that the data arrived OK. However, using a compressor (like PKZIP) maintains its own CRC data in the file, so at least you could be fairly certain that if it was unZIPped OK, then the data would be good. So, if you could increase the transfer rate to say, 8 times the present value, and reduce the file size by a quarter, your 10 Mb file would only be around 7.5 Mb, whose transfer time would be around 25 minutes. You might, however, need to save the file out to a RAM disk (or very fast hard disk) to avoid losing data through overruns... Good luck! -- Pete From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 9 16:49:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05939 for ; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:49:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA07167 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:49:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech!psuvax1!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:43:30 EST From: "H. D. Knoble" Message-ID: <96009.114330HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: No cursor in OS/2 CKermit 191 References: <4cu1o5$e3p@mercury.near.net> Lines: 14 In article <4cu1o5$e3p@mercury.near.net>, fgoldstein@bbn.com (Fred R. Goldstein) says: >I just upgraded from "190 beta" to the official 191 build. It is faster, >which is nice, but it never displays the cursor! I tried changing the >cursor settings but they all worked as if they were "none" and "none". :-( >This is with Warp 3.0 on a 486-DX2/66 clone, typically with Telnet. >Any clues or patches? Thanks. >-- >Fred R. Goldstein k1io fgoldstein@bbn.com +1 617 873 3850 >Opinions are mine alone; sharing requires permission. Running Warp with Windows (with Fixpack 10) I cannot reproduce the no-cursor problem you describe with C-Kermit for OS/2 1.91. Make sure install C-Kermit with the install.cmd file included in the Columbia cko191.zip file. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 10 00:34:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10129 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 00:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA22169 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 00:34:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!orion.math.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@orion.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: REMOTE CD not always working...what to do? Date: 10 Jan 1996 03:01:16 GMT Organization: UIUC Department of Mathematics Lines: 18 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4cva5s$9gs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: orion.math.uiuc.edu I have recently been having some trouble with the REMOTE CD command. It seems that sometimes when I try to do a REMOTE CD it doen;t take and files that I am transferring from home end up in the wrong directory. I am using OS/2 Ckermit version 190 on my home machine connected to C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x at school. I wanted to try and detect this by doing a REMOTE PWD but I see no way to capture the output of REMOTE PWD to a kermit variable and then test that the REMOTE CD actually worked. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I might do REMOTE changes of directory more reliably or at least detect when it does not work. Thanks, Adam H. Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or lewenber@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 10 01:30:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA15459 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 01:30:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA23264 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 01:30:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: REMOTE CD not always working...what to do? Date: 10 Jan 1996 06:30:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4cvmdv$mlr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4cva5s$9gs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4cva5s$9gs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: >I have recently been having some trouble with the REMOTE CD >command. It seems that sometimes when I try to do a REMOTE CD it >doen;t take and files that I am transferring from home end up in the >wrong directory. I am using OS/2 Ckermit version 190 on my home >machine connected to C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x at school. > >I wanted to try and detect this by doing a REMOTE PWD but I see no way >to capture the output of REMOTE PWD to a kermit variable and then test >that the REMOTE CD actually worked. > >Does anyone have any suggestions on how I might do REMOTE changes of >directory more reliably or at least detect when it does not work. Try using the REMOTE QUERY KERMIT directory command to query the value of the current directory on the remote system. The value of the variable will be placed in the \v(query) variable. x x xx Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 10 11:57:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09950 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:57:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA24634 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 11:57:39 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cincom.com!happy.cincom.com!monroeds From: Dave Monroe Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Laptop Kermit Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:08:45 -0600 Organization: Cincom Systems, Inc., Cincinnati OH Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: happy.cincom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm trying to use Kermit on my laptop through a PCMCIA modem. Kermit talks to the modem okay, but when I connect to a remote machine, I have to send a character to get a character. Pretty odd since this works on my old PC/AT. Does Kermit have problems with PCMCIA devices (MS-Kermit 3.11)? -- ____ __ ___ / __ \____ __ _____ / |/ /___ ____ _________ ___ / / / / __ `/ | / / _ \ / /|_/ / __ \/ __ \/ ___/ __ \/ _ \ / /_/ / /_/ /| |/ / __/ / / / / /_/ / / / / / / /_/ / __/ /_____/\__,_/ |___/\___/ /_/ /_/\____/_/ /_/_/ \____/\___/ Another quality transmission from . . . monroeds@happy.cincom.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 10 15:51:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18884 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA03826 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 15:51:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!lamarck.sura.net!news.uky.edu!ukcc.uky.edu!FXING00 From: FXING00@ukcc.uky.edu (han) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: I have turble transfer file with kermit in Windows Date: Wed, 10 Jan 96 14:22:35 EST Organization: The University of Kentucky Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1770ACA2BS86.FXING00@ukcc.uky.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ukcc.uky.edu Hello: I used .pif file in win v3.11, but the dos kermit will not transfer file in window. it only can transfer file in dos...Please help me out Najai From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 10 18:02:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03523 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:02:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA08221 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:02:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pgassman@aol.com (PGassman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hello Frank Date: 10 Jan 1996 13:03:42 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 10 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4d0v1u$4hg@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: pgassman@aol.com (PGassman) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Frank, I recently upgraded to version 5A(189) running on an HP-UX 712 workstation and have discovered that when I use a script to call out the software adjusts the line speed to whatever the connection speed is. Since my actual serial port speed has not changed this causes a loss of communication with my modem until I manual change the line speed back. Can this feature be disabled? Forgive the first name basis but I wanted to be sure to get your attention. Thanks for your help. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 10 18:08:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04024 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA08348 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 18:08:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hello Frank Date: 10 Jan 1996 23:08:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4d1gsm$84q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4d0v1u$4hg@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4d0v1u$4hg@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, PGassman wrote: > I recently upgraded to version 5A(189) running on an HP-UX 712 > workstation and have discovered that when I use a script to call out > the software adjusts the line speed to whatever the connection speed > is. Since my actual serial port speed has not changed this causes a > loss of communication with my modem until I manual change the line > speed back. Can this feature be disabled? > The current version is 5A(190). It has considerable improvements for HP-UX over 5A(189). As explained in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", on page 61, use the command SET DIAL SPEED-MATCHING to control whether Kermit changes speed according to the modem's CONNECT message. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 10 19:03:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08353 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 19:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA09846 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 19:03:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!feed.umontreal.ca!lacs From: lacs@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Lacombe Serge) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File transfert between 2 servers Date: 10 Jan 1996 20:23:48 GMT Organization: Universite de Montreal Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4d178k$me@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> NNTP-Posting-Host: eole.ere.umontreal.ca Hi. Is it possible to use kermit to transfer files between two servers via a modem connection? Thanks. Serge Lacombe Universite de Montreal E-mail: lacs@DAA.umontreal.ca From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 10 19:06:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08549 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 19:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA09899 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 19:06:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hello Frank Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 22:36:25 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <30f43ea9.53632014@128.230.1.4> References: <4d0v1u$4hg@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sudial4-035.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 pgassman@aol.com (PGassman) wrote: >Frank, >I recently upgraded to version 5A(189) running on an HP-UX 712 workstation >and have discovered that when I use a script to call out the software >adjusts the line speed to whatever the connection speed is. Since my >actual serial port speed has not changed this causes a loss of >communication with my modem until I manual change the line speed back. Can >this feature be disabled? >Forgive the first name basis but I wanted to be sure to get your >attention. >Thanks for your help. Even though I'm not Frank, you might try "set dial speed-matching off". And if you're reading, Frank, "set dial ?" doesn't show "speed-matching" although it's apparently there. - Vince ___ Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 10 21:21:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17867 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:21:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA13594 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:21:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hello Frank Date: 11 Jan 1996 02:21:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4d1s7c$d8n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4d0v1u$4hg@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <30f43ea9.53632014@128.230.1.4> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <30f43ea9.53632014@128.230.1.4>, Vincent Fatica wrote: >... >And if you're reading, Frank, "set dial ?" doesn't show "speed-matching" >although it's apparently there. > Well... That's because in later editions of C-Kermit, which have not been released yet, the "set dial" and "set modem" mishmash was entirely reworked to separate the concepts that are related to dialing (telephone numbers and so on) from concepts releated to the modem. Thus the new command is (will be) "set modem speed-matching", but the old form is still accepted but, as you noticed, not listed in the help. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 10 21:28:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA18263 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA13789 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jan 1996 21:28:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Laptop Kermit Message-ID: <1996Jan10.100221.70962@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Jan 96 10:02:21 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 In article , Dave Monroe writes: > I'm trying to use Kermit on my laptop through a PCMCIA modem. > > Kermit talks to the modem okay, but when I connect to a remote > machine, I have to send a character to get a character. Pretty > odd since this works on my old PC/AT. > > Does Kermit have problems with PCMCIA devices (MS-Kermit 3.11)? ----------- Kermit doesn't have the problems, but PCMCIA devices are really loaded with problems. There is no way that we can begin to diagnose the difficulties of your particular PCMCIA device and its particular drivers on that machine. The best we can suggest is triple check for IRQ and port conflicts, and have a nice long chat with the PCMCIA drivers. MS-DOS Kermit is at release 3.14 so you may want to pick up a copy from kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/msdos, binary file msvibm.zip. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 11 01:33:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA07200 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 01:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA19857 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 01:33:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfert between 2 servers Date: 11 Jan 1996 06:33:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4d2b0c$jcf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4d178k$me@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4d178k$me@epervier.CC.UMontreal.CA>, Lacombe Serge wrote: >Hi. > >Is it possible to use kermit to transfer files between two servers >via a modem connection? > Sure. What kind of computers? Which operating systems? Kermit is available on almost everything but the AS/400. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 11 05:46:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA23162 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 05:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA22940 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 05:46:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!mercury.near.net!news From: fgoldstein@bbn.com (Fred R. Goldstein) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: No cursor in OS/2 CKermit 191 Date: 11 Jan 1996 03:52:00 GMT Organization: Bolt Beranek & Newman Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4d21h0$lbk@mercury.near.net> References: <4cu1o5$e3p@mercury.near.net> <96009.114330HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: isdnip.near.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 In article <96009.114330HDK@psuvm.psu.edu>, HDK@psuvm.psu.edu says... >Running Warp with Windows (with Fixpack 10) I cannot reproduce the no-cursor >problem you describe with C-Kermit for OS/2 1.91. Make sure install C-Kermit >with the install.cmd file included in the Columbia cko191.zip file. Turns out Jeff Altman had the answer. Thanks, Jeff! I upgraded the S3 video drivers. The ones in the Warp box are buggy; the new edition on ftp.pcco.ibm.com is better, and produces a cursor. I guess the two versions of Kermit invoke the cursor-in-a-window just differently enough to hit upon a buggy driver. Oh yeah, slight program note. Upgrading the driver failed with the SETUP.CMD on the driver disk when I used 4OS2 as the shell, but running CMD as the shell fixed that problem. -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fgoldstein@bbn.com +1 617 873 3850 Opinions are mine alone; sharing requires permission. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 11 15:19:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21588 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:19:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA24932 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 15:19:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!swidir.switch.ch!swsbe6.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI2.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 2 PCs directly linked? Date: 11 Jan 1996 17:41:14 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4d3i3q$nn0@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de NNTP-Posting-Host: mpi2.immunbio.mpg.de Hello, I have an old PC running MS-DOS V3.3 and a new one running V6.22 . The old PC has a 5.25' disk drive, the new one uses 3.5' . Now I would like to transfer a bunch of files from the old one to the new one and thought I could use Kermit. Is this possible? If so, is a simple modem cable between the two PCs sufficient? Does C-Kermit run under MS-DOS 3.3? Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 11 19:54:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA16929 for ; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:54:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA05434 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Jan 1996 19:54:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2 PCs directly linked? Date: 12 Jan 1996 00:54:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4d4bgc$59o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4d3i3q$nn0@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4d3i3q$nn0@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, Christoph Gartmann wrote: >I have an old PC running MS-DOS V3.3 and a new one running V6.22 . The old >PC has a 5.25' disk drive, the new one uses 3.5' . Now I would like to >transfer a bunch of files from the old one to the new one and thought I >could use Kermit. Is this possible? If so, is a simple modem cable between >the two PCs sufficient? Does C-Kermit run under MS-DOS 3.3? > You'll want MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. See our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ You'll need either a *null* modem cable, or else *two* modem cables and a "modem eliminator" (null-modem adaptor). Make sure that the RTS and CTS wires are crossed over. Use "set flow rts/cts". Put Kermit on the new PC in server mode, send files from the old PC. You can send entire directory trees if you want to, preserving the directory structure and creating directories on the fly, using the XSEND program, which you will find in the UTILS subdirectory of the MS-DOS Kermit diskette. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 12 06:30:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA17181 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 06:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA23927 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 06:30:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!tecsun1.tec.army.mil!navair2.nalda.navy.mil!avalon.chinalake.navy.mil!newshub.nosc.mil!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2 PCs directly linked? Message-ID: <1996Jan11.150342.71082@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Jan 96 15:03:42 MDT References: <4d3i3q$nn0@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 In article <4d3i3q$nn0@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > Hello, > > I have an old PC running MS-DOS V3.3 and a new one running V6.22 . The old > PC has a 5.25' disk drive, the new one uses 3.5' . Now I would like to > transfer a bunch of files from the old one to the new one and thought I > could use Kermit. Is this possible? If so, is a simple modem cable between > the two PCs sufficient? Does C-Kermit run under MS-DOS 3.3? ------- A simple Null-Modem block will do nicely. Such items are cheap and widely available in computer stores and elsewhere. Only MS-DOS Kermit runs under DOS. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 12 08:18:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15320 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 08:18:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA06058 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 08:18:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu!djohns From: djohns@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2 PCs directly linked? Date: 12 Jan 1996 11:10:30 GMT Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4d5fj6$jfk@huron.eel.ufl.edu> References: <4d3i3q$nn0@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <4d4bgc$59o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet4.afn.org X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 1.71 (unregistered) In <4d4bgc$59o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: # You'll want MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. See our Web page: # # http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ # # You'll need either a *null* modem cable, or else *two* modem # cables and a "modem eliminator" (null-modem adaptor). Make # sure that the RTS and CTS wires are crossed over. Use "set # flow rts/cts". # # Put Kermit on the new PC in server mode, send files from the # old PC. # # You can send entire directory trees if you want to, preserving # the directory structure and creating directories on the fly, # using the XSEND program, which you will find in the UTILS # subdirectory of the MS-DOS Kermit diskette. I know Kermit can do almost anything, but this seems like overkill to me. If the machines are close enough to use a null modem, the obvious answer isn't a terminal program, but the Interlink program that comes with DOS. With that program you can not only send directory structures (with xcopy), but you can also zip files from one machine into an archive on the other, use the DOS replace program to update or freshen files, etc., etc. The DOS help file under intersvr.exe even describes how to transfer the server files from one machine to the other without needing disks. David Johns From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 12 09:48:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA22215 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA08661 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 09:48:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.denver.eti.net!imci3!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@ccs.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2 PCs directly linked? Date: 12 Jan 1996 08:54:55 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 33 Sender: mike@knot.queensu.ca Message-ID: <4d5p7f$dmj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <4d3i3q$nn0@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <4d4bgc$59o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4d5fj6$jfk@huron.eel.ufl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs In article <4d5fj6$jfk@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, djohns@freenet4.freenet.ufl.edu (David A. Johns) writes: |> I know Kermit can do almost anything, but this seems like overkill to |> me. If the machines are close enough to use a null modem, the obvious |> answer isn't a terminal program, but the Interlink program that comes |> with DOS. With that program you can not only send directory |> structures (with xcopy), but you can also zip files from one machine |> into an archive on the other, use the DOS replace program to update or |> freshen files, etc., etc. The DOS help file under intersvr.exe even |> describes how to transfer the server files from one machine to the |> other without needing disks. |> |> David Johns Maybe. Maybe not. I tried to set up Interlink for a friend who wanted to move stuff from his laptop to his desktop. He lives in another city and didn't forewarn me I would be consulting during my visit. :-) Anyhow, whether it was ignorance on my part or something odd about Interlink running bwtween his two particular machines, the file transfers were unbearably slow. Fortunately we had access to the net and pulled down a copy of MSK. It worked beautifully. And I discovered something that surprised me--there was a dramatic improvement in file transfer speed when the server was the old laptop rather than the new desktop. This is contrary to Frank's advice so perhaps my memory is wrong. However, it is definitely worth testing both possibilities on your equipment. In our case, the change improved file transfer speed from 3,700 to 10,000 cps. Which is kind of "Wow!" when you see it happen. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 12 10:51:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27717 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:51:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA10632 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:51:24 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2 PCs directly linked? Date: 12 Jan 1996 15:51:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4d601n$ac4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4d3i3q$nn0@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <4d4bgc$59o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4d5fj6$jfk@huron.eel.ufl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4d5fj6$jfk@huron.eel.ufl.edu>, David A. Johns wrote: >I know Kermit can do almost anything, but this seems like overkill to >me. If the machines are close enough to use a null modem, the obvious >answer isn't a terminal program, but the Interlink program that comes >with DOS. With that program you can not only send directory >structures (with xcopy), but you can also zip files from one machine >into an archive on the other, use the DOS replace program to update or >freshen files, etc., etc. The DOS help file under intersvr.exe even >describes how to transfer the server files from one machine to the >other without needing disks. The original poster can't use InterLink because he doesn't have it. He is using DOS 3.x on at least one of the two machines. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 12 16:45:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA02680 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:45:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA22877 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:45:23 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2 PCs directly linked? Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 17:44:11 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <30f69a2f.102903867@128.230.1.4> References: <4d3i3q$nn0@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sudial4-035.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) wrote: >Hello, > >I have an old PC running MS-DOS V3.3 and a new one running V6.22 . The old >PC has a 5.25' disk drive, the new one uses 3.5' . Now I would like to >transfer a bunch of files from the old one to the new one and thought I >could use Kermit. Is this possible? If so, is a simple modem cable between >the two PCs sufficient? Does C-Kermit run under MS-DOS 3.3? Christoph, This is very possible; I do it all the time between two Windows95 machines and between a Windows95 machine and a Linux machine. I don't know if the old DOS version will cause any problems. A modem cable will not work. You need a NULL MODEM CABLE (same price as a modem cable) or you can use a NULL MODEM ADAPTER (about $3 U.S.) with a regular modem cable. In a null modem cable or adapter, the SEND pin on each end is connected to the RECEIVE pin on the other end. Once the null modem is in place, tell each Kermit to set port comN (whatever COM ports you're using) set speed ... (the same on both ends) set flow rts connect Or, you can give one of the Kermits the "server" command; then, from the other Kermit, in "connect" mode, give commands to the server like "send", "get", "remote cd", "remote dir", et cetera. - Vince ___ Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/ From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 12 18:50:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13428 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:50:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA26742 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 18:50:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!tesuque.cs.sandia.gov!lynx.unm.edu!news From: sulis@unm.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Commodore 64 Kermit Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 20:35:30 GMT Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4d6h05$6ai@lynx.unm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cirt_128.unm.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Hello, I am using a C-64 and can not figure out how to dial with Kermit. I can get to the Kermit prompt, but the only option that looks like it would half-way dial is CONNECT. unfortunately, it doesnt dial the number. If someone has the documentation to the c-64 kermit program, that would be more than enough help. I am assuming I need to enter a phone number somewhere, maybe in the kermit.ini file, but I simply do not know. Thanks very much! Please email any responses. Thanks again! sulis@unm.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 12 19:07:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA14785 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 19:07:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA27423 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 19:07:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Commodore 64 Kermit Date: 13 Jan 1996 00:07:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4d6t4c$qot@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4d6h05$6ai@lynx.unm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4d6h05$6ai@lynx.unm.edu>, wrote: : Hello, I am using a C-64 and can not figure out how to dial with : Kermit. I can get to the Kermit prompt, but the only option that : looks like it would half-way dial is CONNECT. unfortunately, it : doesnt dial the number. If someone has the documentation to the c-64 : kermit program, that would be more than enough help. : The Commodore 64/128 Kermit manual is: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/c/c64ker.doc It is quite comprehensive and tells you all about how to dial. : I am assuming I need to enter a phone number somewhere, maybe : in the kermit.ini file, but I simply do not know. : It's easier than that. Just enter CONNECT mode and type a dialing command to the modem, such as: atdt7654321 and then carriage return. Wait for the response from the modem, such as CONNECT. See the manual for details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 12 22:16:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27779 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 22:16:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA03218 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 22:15:59 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!newshub.nosc.mil!news!news From: Bob Lombard Subject: Can Kermit talk to other protocols , xmodem, etc (answer not in FAQ) X-Nntp-Posting-Host: dweezil.nosc.mil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <1996Jan12.211826.20752@nosc.mil> Sender: news@nosc.mil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: NCCOSC RDT&E Division, San Diego, CA Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 21:18:26 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Lines: 14 Quick question, answer not found in FAQ Can C-kermit talk or specifically , upload files to a system which runs only X, Y , or zmodem ?? If yes, whats needed to do this ? If no, can anyone recommend a shareware unix based program similar to kermit or procomm, et al, that will ? Thanks for your help ! Blombard@nosc.mil From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 13 10:37:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22994 for ; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 10:37:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA05663 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 13 Jan 1996 10:37:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit talk to other protocols , xmodem, etc (answer not in FAQ) Date: 13 Jan 1996 15:37:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4d8jis$5gp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Jan12.211826.20752@nosc.mil> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Jan12.211826.20752@nosc.mil>, Bob Lombard wrote: >Quick question, answer not found in FAQ > > Can C-kermit talk or specifically , upload files to a system which runs > only X, Y , or zmodem ?? > Assuming you are asking about UNIX C-Kermit, you need: 1. A copy of sz/rz/sb/rb/sx/rx that allows its standard i/o to be redirected. These date from the mid-to-late 1980s. 2. C-Kermit 5A(190) - the current version. 3. The macros defined in the ckurzsz.ini. Your other choice would be to purchase up-to-date XYZMODEM software from Omen Technology and use it instead of C-Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 14 05:17:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA14480 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 05:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA26497 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 05:17:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!ravana!Kevin.Dorma@ualberta.ca From: Kevin.Dorma@ualberta.ca@ravana.srv.ualberta.ca (Kevin Dorma) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help Cardinal MVP144DS-C Date: 14 Jan 1996 02:46:49 GMT Organization: Dept. of Chemical Engineering, University of Alberta Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4d9qqp$k20@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ravana.eche.ualberta.ca Keywords: I am currently using Kermit 3.10, but am unable to get a useful connection with anything besides a 2400 baud modem. At real speeds, I connect and receive the title page for the particular BBS with no problems. After login though all received data seems to be buffered. Use of the space bar is needed to bring responce charcters to the screen. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Why use Kermit? Get some real software you say. Send me some. I've tried Telix, Qmodem, procom+ and Winpro. At least Kermit knows I have a modem connected. Read the manual you say? Been there Done that Got nowhere. Modem: Cardinal MVP 144DSP (firmware upgrade to 196) Port : com3 (Set Port bios3) Init : at&f ragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragman RAG You speak not to a mouth-piece ! of THE SUITS, but a Man, ! Don't rag on Me man Fearless in a croud, ! If this hangover weren't so bad Vocal in anonymity, ! I'd be worried about making the grade Responsible for nothing. ! MAN manragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanrag From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 14 05:22:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA14708 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 05:22:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA26555 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 05:22:24 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!ncar!newshost.lanl.gov!ferrari.mst6.lanl.gov!tesuque.cs.sandia.gov!lynx.unm.edu!callisto.unm.edu!sulis From: Raging Bull Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Commodore 64 Kermit Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 19:43:55 -0700 Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Lines: 37 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: callisto.unm.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199601130515.AA28870@crl.crl.com> On Fri, 12 Jan 1996, Randy Ding wrote: > In article <4d6h05$6ai@lynx.unm.edu> you write: > >Hello, I am using a C-64 and can not figure out how to dial with > >Kermit. I can get to the Kermit prompt, but the only option that > >looks like it would half-way dial is CONNECT. unfortunately, it > >doesnt dial the number. If someone has the documentation to the c-64 > >kermit program, that would be more than enough help. I am assuming I > >need to enter a phone number somewhere, maybe in the kermit.ini file, > >but I simply do not know. Thanks very much! > > > >Please email any responses. Thanks again! > >sulis@unm.edu > > > > > > Wow, c64, reminds me of kermit on my old apple2. > Kermit does have a dial command, but it just sends modem strings > to the modem. You can do that yourself. > First use the connect command. > type atz and hit enter to see if the modem is working, should say OK. > then if your phone number is 123-4567 type > atdt1234567 and hit enter. > That should do it. None of the keys work after I type connect. Could this mean that I need to tell Kermit what type of modem I am using? Also, are you sure my commodore non-hayes compatible modem accepts at commands? Just curious, I know little about commodores. Thanks for the reply, I really appreciate it! __________________________________________________________________ I |______________________________________________________| I . ../<. ... . . .. .. . .. .... . .. .. . . .. . .. . ... . .. ... ..>\.. . From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 14 07:29:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA27093 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 07:29:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA07709 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 07:28:56 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nntpserver.pppl.gov!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!dimensional.com!winternet.com!news.minn.net!skypoint.com!hagar.cyberoptics.com!bpeters!c1mpls!technix!thekeep!jwallace From: jwallace@technix.mn.org (Jerry Wallace) Subject: Re: Laptop Kermit Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 17:19:22 GMT References: Organization: Private system - Saint Paul, MN, USA Lines: 15 Dave Monroe wrote: > I'm trying to use Kermit on my laptop through a PCMCIA modem. > > Kermit talks to the modem okay, but when I connect to a remote > machine, I have to send a character to get a character. Pretty > odd since this works on my old PC/AT. > > Does Kermit have problems with PCMCIA devices (MS-Kermit 3.11)? Kermit 3.14 works well with my notebook and Multi-Tech PCMCIA 28.8 modem. Card and Socket Services are from Phoenix, otherwise DOS 6.22 and WfWG 3.11. -- Jerry Wallace jfw@technix.mn.org From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 14 18:42:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13074 for ; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 18:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA02726 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Jan 1996 18:42:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!willis.cis.uab.edu!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: two machine "network" using tcp/ip Date: 14 Jan 1996 02:22:35 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 58 Message-ID: <4daegb$j0k@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com In article <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, Earl H. Kinmonth wrote: >Is it possible to direct connect network cards on two machines >and running a minimal tcp/ip "network" using kermit? Yes, but these days other software is handier and not expensive. >What ip addresses would one use? Anything you want, as long as you don't connect to the internet. To keep it simple, use a class 'C' address range with a netmask of 255.255.255.0. Only the last number should be different among the machine addresses. >Would it be necessary to have a name server configure? Not if you don't mind entering the number instead of a host name. >From an ethernet faq, I know that you can connect two (and only) >two cards using 10-BaseT wiring with a cross over to get >something similar to an ethernet "null modem" but I've not found >any discussion of software setup for such a configuration. The >connections I am thinking of would be > >OS2 Connect -> MsDos Kermit >SCO UNIX ODT -> MsDos Kermit >MsDos Kermit -> MsDos Kermit That should all work. The 'handier' software gives you transparent disk/print sharing. Any combination of these should work: OS/2 Warp Connect Windows for WorkGroups plus the tcp stack from ftp.microsoft.com Windows95 Windows NT Unix with the 'samba' server from nimbus.anu.edu.au:/pub/tridge/samba DOS LanMan Client from ftp.microsoft.com WFW Dos add-on Warp connect/WFW/Win95/NT are peer-to-peer. The downloadable DOS packages are client-only, although I think a server version is available. The real-mode DOS TCP stack is large. If you can run windows the 32-bit stack for WFW is much nicer, and Win95 even better. Unix/samba is a server-only except for an ftp-like client, except for Linux which can be configured to mount the lanman/windows shared directories transparently. You can run kermit over the stock tcp on unix, OS/2 and win95. On DOS you might be able to kludge up packet driver hook to the NDIS driver plus pktmux, but it still might not work. With WFW, I don't think there is any way to run kermit with the native tcp, but it doesn't matter much since there are lots of telnet programs that run over the winsock interface and you can use 'copy' instead of a file transfer program. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 15 04:52:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA25172 for ; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 04:52:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA14782 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Jan 1996 04:52:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!ravana!Kevin.Dorma@ualberta.ca From: Kevin.Dorma@ualberta.ca@ravana.srv.ualberta.ca (Kevin Dorma) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help Cardinal MVP144DS-C Date: 14 Jan 1996 16:39:48 GMT Organization: Dept. of Chemical Engineering, University of Alberta Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4dbbkk$aj2@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ravana.eche.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I am currently using Kermit 3.10, but am unable to get a useful connection with anything besides a 2400 baud modem. At real speeds, I connect and receive the title page for the particular BBS with no problems. After login though all received data seems to be buffered. Use of the space bar is needed to bring responce charcters to the screen. Why use Kermit? Get some real software you say. Send me some. I've tried Telix, Qmodem, procom+ and Winpro. At least Kermit knows I have a modem connected. Read the manual you say? Been there Done that Got nowhere. Modem: Cardinal MVP 144DSP (firmware upgrade to 196) Port : com3 (Set Port bios3) Init : at&f ragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragman RAG You speak not to a mouth-piece ! of THE SUITS, but a Man, ! Don't rag on Me man Fearless in a croud, ! If this hangover weren't so bad Vocal in anonymity, ! I'd be worried about making the grade Responsible for nothing. ! MAN manragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanragmanrag From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 17 07:23:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03180 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 07:23:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA26693 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 07:23:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.interlog.com!news.magmacom.com!usenet From: giguere@magmacom.com (stephen giguere) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can C-kermit answer a auto answer a modem? Date: 17 Jan 1996 05:28:10 GMT Organization: Magma Communications Ltd., Ottawa, Ont. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4di1da$17b@mag2.magmacom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyna181.magmacom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 I'm not too familiar with kermit but I have C-kermit on a unix based machine and I need something that will answer an incoming call on the modem and offer the unix prompt to the caller for the purpose of transfering files. Is this possible with kermit? Please respond with any help to mdsaero@fox.nstn.ca or to sgiguere@vpdesign.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 17 10:12:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23676 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA04413 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:11:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can C-kermit answer a auto answer a modem? Date: 17 Jan 1996 15:11:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4dj3ik$49m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4di1da$17b@mag2.magmacom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4di1da$17b@mag2.magmacom.com>, stephen giguere wrote: >I'm not too familiar with kermit but I have C-kermit on a unix based machine >and I need something that will answer an incoming call on the modem and offer >the unix prompt to the caller for the purpose of transfering files. Is this >possible with kermit? > If you really want to offer callers a UNIX prompt, then you need to make IDs for them, put a getty on the communication device that is attached to the modem, and have them log in normally and then run C-Kermit in the regular way. This is the standard and most straightforward mode of operation. There are also more esoteric approaches, which have security implications. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 17 14:55:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23702 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA16169 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 14:55:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!hartwick.edu!atienzam From: atienzam@hartwick.edu (Michael A. Atienza) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Downloading from one computer to another Message-ID: <1996Jan16.165546.5296@hartwick.edu> Date: 16 Jan 96 16:55:46 -0500 Organization: Hartwick College Lines: 13 Hello folks. Please help me out here. I have a database program in one computer with all the *.dbf files in it. What I want to do is dial up that computer and download all of the .dbf files into my machine. I would also like it to be password protected so that only I can access the files. Is there a way to do this? Thanks in advance. Cheers Mike From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 18 06:45:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA05420 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 06:45:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA24157 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 06:45:17 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!demon!dcbarry.demon.co.uk From: njstanbr@dcbarry.demon.co.uk (Nik Stanbridge) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Echo Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:55:21 GMT Lines: 24 Message-ID: <821958840.19913@dcbarry.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dcbarry.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dcbarry.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I am trying to get the remote host to not echo what I type at the keyboard. Now, this in itself is not difficult, and I use the commands: set term echo off or set term echo remote ok when already logged on. However, if I put them in a script file, again, they work, but, I lose the visible nature of the backspace key deleting characters. The backspace key does delete chars but I cannot see it doing it... If I simply use these commands from the command line when logged on, everything works OK. Any ideas what I am doing wrong? Thanks, Nik Stanbridge. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 18 09:00:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26410 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:00:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA04456 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:00:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech!purdue!haven.umd.edu!news.ums.edu!nova.umuc.edu!apollo!rocky From: rocky@apollo.umuc.edu (Rocky Giannini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems Kermit95 Zmodem Download Directory Date: 17 Jan 1996 13:00:42 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 22 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: apollo.umuc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #10 (NOV) Hi, I'm having a problem with zmodem downloads in Kermit 95 (Version 1.1.2). Zmodem downloads don't seem to honor the download directory variable, and always end up in the "current" directory. The download directory in the dialer entry is correct, and Kermit downloads go to the right place. I've also tried specifying the download directory in kcustom95.ini, but that doesn't work for me either. I've RTFM and files in the doc directory, but have been unable to find any mention of this being a bug. Any help is appreciated! Thanks in advance! -Rocky -- Rocky Giannini UMUC Unix and VMS Systems -- Rocky Giannini UMUC Unix and VMS Systems From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 18 09:17:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27870 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA05400 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:17:37 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems Kermit95 Zmodem Download Directory Date: 18 Jan 1996 14:17:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4dlkpl$57c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Rocky Giannini wrote: : I'm having a problem with zmodem downloads in Kermit 95 (Version 1.1.2). : Zmodem downloads don't seem to honor the download directory variable, and : always end up in the "current" directory. The download directory in the : dialer entry is correct, and Kermit downloads go to the right place. I've : also tried specifying the download directory in kcustom95.ini, but that : doesn't work for me either. : It's a (recently discovered) bug. It will be fixed in version 1.1.3, to be announced shortly. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 18 11:01:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10208 for ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:01:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA08910 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:01:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.ultranet.com!usenet From: kendall@chenoweth.ultranet.com (Kendall Chenoweth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit input from shell scripts Date: 17 Jan 1996 20:12:21 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4djl75$t2q@caesar.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: chenoweth.ultranet.com X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.3 what is the best way to assign input variables to a kermit script from a calling script (such as the pager id and the message!) please reply directly to my email... kendall@chenoweth.ultranet.com Thank you in advance, Kendall -- _______[#]_______ Kendall Chenoweth (root@chenoweth.ultranet.com) /____|POLICE|_____\ Please direct mail to kendall@chenoweth.ultranet.com I | I http://www.ultranet.com/~kendall I ___ | ___ I I |###| | |###| I Apartment #1 I |###| | |###| I Islington Terrace I |###| | |###| I Allston, MA 02134 I |___| | |___| I (617) 787-5023 (voice and occasional fax) I | o I I ___ | ___ I Catalink Direct, Inc. I |###| | |###| I 10 Oceana Way I |###| | |###| I Norwood, MA 02062 I |###| | |###| I kdc@catalink.com I |___| | |___| I (617) 762-0202, ext 4174 (voice) I | I (617) 440-3174 (direct voice) I_________|_________I (617) 762-1540 (fax) I/_______/_\_______\I (617) XXX-XXXX (beeper) From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 19 02:25:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA10318 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 02:25:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA07361 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 02:25:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!gatech!ukma!usenet From: David Rice Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Transparent Printing Not Working Date: 18 Jan 1996 20:39:09 GMT Organization: BMT Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4dmb5d$mk0@t3.mscf.uky.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.163.95.69 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-------------------------------169852698721079" X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------------------169852698721079 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm not able to get the transparent printing to work. I do have the MS-DOS Kermit Manual and have tried the attached test program. I'm using a PC running KERMIT 3.14 to call into a SUN Server running Solaris 2.4. The communications run through an Annex Terminal Server. I've been able to get other key codes translated and working fine. Help! What am I doing wrong. Thanks in advance. ---------------------------------169852698721079 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain #include main() { printf("/27/5i"); printf("Hello - should print\n"); ; printf("\1554i"); printf("Hello - shouldn't print\n"); return(0); } ---------------------------------169852698721079-- From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 19 02:32:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA10893 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 02:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA07502 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 02:32:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Transparent Printing Not Working Date: 19 Jan 1996 07:31:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4dnhda$7a8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4dmb5d$mk0@t3.mscf.uky.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4dmb5d$mk0@t3.mscf.uky.edu>, David Rice wrote: > printf("/27/5i"); Here is the problem. Try: printf("%c5i",27); Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 19 02:55:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA12352 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 02:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA07837 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 02:55:36 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!peer-news.britain.eu.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!scisun!deng From: deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Hua Deng) Subject: File transfer through a third machine. Message-ID: Organization: City College Of New York - Science Division Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 04:42:23 GMT Lines: 10 I have some problem to transfer files from a PC (running K95) through a modem connected to a VAX(VMS), which in turn is telneted to a unix running C-kermit 5A(190). The transfer from unix to PC is OK (with 1.3kcps rate on a 14.4 connection) but the transfer from PC to unix is very poor with low packet-length (60 cps with lots of errors)and does not work at all with large (~500) packet length.Is there anything I can do to speed up the transfer? sz does not work in either direction in k95 or other program such as hyperterminal. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 19 07:39:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06015 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 07:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA00743 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 07:39:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!pirates!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!ukma!usenet From: David Rice Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Transparent Printing Not Working Date: 18 Jan 1996 20:38:37 GMT Organization: BMT Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4dmb4e$mk0@t3.mscf.uky.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.163.95.69 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-------------------------------23881071820974" X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: Whomever@columbia.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------------------23881071820974 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm not able to get the transparent printing to work. I do have the MS-DOS Kermit Manual and have tried the attached test program. I'm using a PC running KERMIT 3.14 to call into a SUN Server running Solaris 2.4. The communications run through an Annex Terminal Server. I've been able to get other key codes translated and working fine. Help! What am I doing wrong. Thanks in advance. ---------------------------------23881071820974 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain #include main() { printf("/27/5i"); printf("Hello - should print\n"); ; printf("\1554i"); printf("Hello - shouldn't print\n"); return(0); } ---------------------------------23881071820974-- From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 19 10:00:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17396 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA04602 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:00:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer through a third machine. Date: 19 Jan 1996 15:00:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-ID: <4dobma$4eh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Hua Deng wrote: : I have some problem to transfer files from a PC (running K95) through a : modem connected to a VAX(VMS), which in turn is telneted to a unix : running C-kermit 5A(190). The transfer from unix to PC is OK (with : 1.3kcps rate on a 14.4 connection) but the transfer from PC to unix is : very poor with low packet-length (60 cps with lots of errors)and does : not work at all with large (~500) packet length.Is there anything I can : do to speed up the transfer? sz does not work in either direction in k95 : or other program such as hyperterminal. : Because Telnet on VMS is filtering out certain characters, perhaps even all 8-bit characters. This is exactly the kind of cranky connection that Kermit protocol is good at pushing its way through, so the problem is how to make it go faster. At first glance, this looks like a flow-control problem. Is the modem on the VAX end plugged directly into a VAX serial port? A terminal server? In any case, you have to examine the flow-control setup between the modem and the thing it is directly attached to, and also the buffering configuration of the "thing" (terminal server, LAT box, or VMS itself). You might have better luck using Kermit Telnet on VMS than VMS Telnet itself (UCX, TGV, Wollongong, or whatever you have). Tell it to "set command byte 8" and "set term byte 8" and "set flow xon/xoff". The latter is not really Xon/Xoff, but results in the equivalent of VMS SET TERM /HOSTSYNC /TTSYNC, which, on a TCP/IP connection simply means "don't drop TCP packets on the floor" :-) VMS C-Kermit -- current version 5A(190) -- also selects the terminal's Alt-Typeahead buffers, which are bigger than the regular ones. Having said all that, there is still the limiting factor of pumping massive amounts of data into any VMS Telnet program, Kermit or otherwise. Experiments here show approximately the same results as yours, no matter whether I use Kermit Telnet or regular (UCX) Telnet on VMS, or even rlogin -- which doesn't work at all unless I say RLOGIN /ESCAPE="" . (This paragraph applies if you have a TELNET connection from, say, a terminal server into VMS.) If I substitute UNIX for VMS as the intermediate system I get better results, by about 400%, not that this is of any help to you. So yes, you can upload files through this type of connection using Kermit, but if it's something that you need to do all the time and none of the above hints help, it would be better if you could make a less roundabout connection. Another alternative to consider would be to transfer the file in two stages. If you write a script to automate this, it would probably take a lot less elapsed time to upload the file in two stages than it is taking now to upload it in one. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 19 19:27:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19313 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:27:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA18845 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 19:27:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!psgrain!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!news.halcyon.com!usenet From: ehat@halcyon.com (Edward Hatfield) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermitting through OS Layers Trouble Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 05:01:21 GMT Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4dn8a7$sk9@news.halcyon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blv-pm3-ip14.halcyon.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Howdy All, I could really use a hand just now (distant applause...) I'm running cKermit 1.90 on a DG/UX AViiON Box and it seems quite happy there. With it I'm trying to reach out to a copy of the same cKermit compiled on a Motorola 88k, which I created for file transfer. When I invoke Kermit on my local AViiON box and call the remote system, I'm dropped into a PICK environment that lives on top of unix (with unix being the core of their box). From there I 'sh' down into unix and invoke kermit as a server. Everything seems happy enough, but when I try to do 'remote' commands or transfer files, nothing happens. I've tried: a) Various (if not all) parity settings. b) Changing the character control used in file transfer. c) Changing 'stty' settings d) Changing flow-control and handshaking. The tool thats given me the most information has been loggin packets. By doing this I've verified that the remote command receives the inital packet from me and returns an reply packet, but... My Local machine Never Gets it, it times out. I try to be clever... (lord knows)... but I'm at the end of my resources. Any help at this point would be appreciated. Kermit is the best! Thanks in advance. Edward Hatfield. --> Insert cute trailer here, since I don't have one (yet!) <-- From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 19 22:45:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03309 for ; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 22:45:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA22756 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jan 1996 22:45:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!nntp.coast.net!news.sprintlink.net!saturn.ball.com!usenet From: jwehner@ball.com (John Wehner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: two machine "network" using tcp/ip Date: 19 Jan 1996 23:51:08 GMT Organization: Ball Corporation Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4dpapc$gce@saturn.ball.com> References: <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk> <4daegb$j0k@Mercury.mcs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jwehner.ball.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 In article <4daegb$j0k@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM says... > >In article <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, >Earl H. Kinmonth wrote: > > . . . With WFW, I don't think >there is any way to run kermit with the native tcp, but it doesn't >matter much since . . . . > >Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com Does this mean I can't run kermit if I am useing WFW? I am on a network at work running WFW. I want to be able to transfer files from other systems I telnet to. Thank you, JOhn From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 20 00:14:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09417 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:14:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA24929 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:13:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!helios.ucolick.org!rem From: rem@helios.ucolick.org (Remington Stone) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS directory tree transfer? Date: 19 Jan 1996 22:39:05 GMT Organization: UCO/Lick Observatory, Santa Cruz Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4dp6i9$9vt@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.ucolick.org Hi, I have a direct serial connection between a PC running WFWG3.11 and Kermit 3.14 patch 9, and a Sparc5 with SunOS4.1.3 and C-Kermit 5A(190). File transfer between the two is fine. I have not been able to figure out a way to transfer an entire directory tree with all associated files between the two machines. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Rem From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 20 00:28:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10365 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA25279 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:28:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!kds1.kivex.com!usenet From: Joe DeNicola Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit under AIX 4.1 Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 15:01:31 PDT Organization: KIVEX, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: joe.colsys.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon -- TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:80372 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4502 I have compiled C-Kermit 5A(189) under AIX 3.2 and have it working properly on our AIX 3.2.5 systems. However, I put the same binary on an AIX 4.1 system (we don't have the C compiler for AIX 4.1) and when I start ckermit in server mode while connected on a serial port with the command: ckermit -ix -y kermit.ini I get the error: ? Can't condition line Does anyone know why? From looking at the source, it seems to be getting this when trying to set some tty parameters. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 20 02:07:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA18759 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 02:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA27006 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 02:06:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under AIX 4.1 Date: 20 Jan 1996 07:06:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4dq49n$qbr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:80383 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4503 In article , Joe DeNicola wrote: > >I have compiled C-Kermit 5A(189) under AIX 3.2 and have it working properly on >our AIX 3.2.5 systems. However, I put the same binary on an AIX 4.1 system >(we don't have the C compiler for AIX 4.1) and when I start ckermit in server >mode while connected on a serial port with the command: AIX 3.2 and 4.1 require separate builds. The 4.1 build is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckuker.rs6aix41c The latest release of C-Kermit for Unix is 5a(190). see http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/unix.html for further info. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 20 05:19:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA01760 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 05:19:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA29878 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 05:19:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.wwa.com!news From: jjacobus@wwa.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 has problem with Microcom modem Date: 20 Jan 1996 01:06:08 GMT Organization: Merrill Corp. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4dpf60$jh8@kirin.wwa.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vh3-017.wwa.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) I just installed K95 (v1.1.2) today. The dialer doesn't work with my Microm DeskPort Fast EP 28.8. Modem is configured as "microcom-at". Dialer fails when it tries to initialize the modem. I set "require carrier" to "off" for an entry, tried again, still no luck. I can manually dial with no problem, so baud rate, flow control, etc. are ok. Since the dialer takes control after K95.INI and K95CUSTOM.INI, I can't see a way of creating a custom modem configuration. Any help would be appreciated. JJ From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 20 10:48:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27519 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 10:48:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA22123 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 10:48:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!canyon.sr.hp.com!col.hp.com!csn!ub!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Echo Message-ID: <1996Jan18.142153.71584@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Jan 96 14:21:53 MDT References: <821958840.19913@dcbarry.demon.co.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 In article <821958840.19913@dcbarry.demon.co.uk>, njstanbr@dcbarry.demon.co.uk (Nik Stanbridge) writes: > I am trying to get the remote host to not echo what I type at the > keyboard. Oh, please don't. > Now, this in itself is not difficult, and I use the commands: > > set term echo off > or > set term echo remote > > ok when already logged on. However, if I put them in a script file, > again, they work, but, I lose the visible nature of the backspace key > deleting characters. The backspace key does delete chars but I cannot > see it doing it... > > If I simply use these commands from the command line when logged on, > everything works OK. > > Any ideas what I am doing wrong? Nothing much. "Erasing" characters is not a one-byte command situation, though that may be all you send to the remote host. The host maniuplates the cursor and writes over old bytes with spaces etc, depending on the host and terminal emulation and all that jazz. Kermit isn't that remote host operating system. May I suggest leaving matters alone and letting the host control your screen as it was intended to? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 20 13:46:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10385 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 13:46:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA26245 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 13:46:55 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!torn!istar.net!news1.vancouver.istar.net!news.vancouver.istar.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.UVic.CA!sol!klassen From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) Subject: Re: Transparent Printing Not Working Message-ID: <1996Jan20.093957.21405@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Nntp-Posting-Host: sol Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA References: <4dmb4e$mk0@t3.mscf.uky.edu> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 96 09:39:57 GMT Lines: 27 David Rice writes: >I'm not able to get the transparent printing to work. I'm using >a PC running KERMIT 3.14 to call into a SUN Server running Solaris 2.4. >The communications run through an Annex Terminal Server. I've been able to >get other key codes translated and working fine. Help! What am I doing wrong. >#include >main() >{ > printf("/27/5i"); > printf("Hello - should print\n"); >; printf("\1554i"); > printf("Hello - shouldn't print\n"); > return(0); >} >---------------------------------23881071820974-- As we discovered, what's "wrong" is the Annex Terminal Server. What happens is that your application sends a "transparent-mode" packet, the A.T.S. sends a "set cursor to row=x/column=y" command, to the printer, your application sends another packet, the A.T.S. sends a "set cursor to row=x/column=y" command, to the printer, etc., which totally fouls-up any attempt to make a "clean" data-path between the host and the printer. When we run the application through an IBM 7171 Protocol Converter, rather than through the A.T.S., everything works correctly. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 20 21:30:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA12589 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 21:30:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA05944 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 21:30:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!agate!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!hadi From: hadi@bnr.ca (Jamal Hadi Salim) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: The Transmit command Date: 20 Jan 1996 23:31:34 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4dru0m$oev@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcarhf3f.bnr.ca i have hooked up a local device thru a serial port and i am trying to talk to it via kermit. No problem there; however, when i use the transmit command to send it a text file only the first line is sent! i looked up the kermit book page 170-1 and it suggested that i change the prompt on the local device since kermit waits for this prompt ... i have no idea how the device receives th lines and how it processes them. I changed the prompt on the device but only the first line got received I can load the device using crosstalk but would prefer to use kermit since it runs on unix. help will be appreciated. cheers jamal From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 21 00:57:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA28498 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA10561 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:57:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.bctel.net!gpu.unbc.edu!freenet.unbc.edu!freenet.unbc.edu!ad151 From: ad151@freenet.unbc.edu (Jack Bowling) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dr. Dobb's Date: 20 Jan 1996 12:21:31 -0800 Organization: P.G. Free-Net Association Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4drisb$bnb@freenet.unbc.edu> Reply-To: ad151@freenet.unbc.edu (Jack Bowling) NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet.unbc.edu Nice to see the good Kermit press in the latest Dr. Dobb's Journal. My assumption is that the techniques described by the author therein are his own alterations to the Kermit source code? Or are they already contained in one of the many flavors of Kermit? - Jack -- //Jack Bowling //ad151@freenet.unbc.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 21 00:57:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA28507 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:57:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA10565 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:57:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Transmit command Date: 21 Jan 1996 01:32:37 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4ds53l$nig@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <4dru0m$oev@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu hadi@bnr.ca (Jamal Hadi Salim) writes: >i have hooked up a local device thru a serial port and i am trying >to talk to it via kermit. No problem there; >however, when i use the transmit command to send it a text file only the first >line is sent! >i looked up the kermit book page 170-1 and it suggested that i change >the prompt on the local device since kermit waits for this >prompt ... i have no idea how the device receives th lines and how it processes >them. I changed the prompt on the device but only the first line got received We must be working from different editions... Transmit is discussed on pp 202-207 of my Using C-Kermit (1993). It would really be helpful to know whether the device sends anything in response to a line. If not, try: set transmit prompt 0 set transmit pause (maybe 100...) You ought to be able to see what comes back with SET DEBUG I think, but I've never tried it with TRANSMIT -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 21 09:19:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10304 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:19:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA05064 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:19:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!engr.orst.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!qiclab.scn.rain.com!orcalink.com!imci2!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!panix!usenet From: bsd@panix.com (Brian Downing) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta Date: 21 Jan 1996 03:31:42 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 16 Sender: bsd@panix.com Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: panix.com X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.13 My machine Windows 95, IBM Thinkpad 755C, IBM PCMCIA 14.4 Modem K-95 1.1.2(192) 17 Dec 95, for Windows 95 4.00(950) I notice that when I take emacs.ini Alt doesn't map to Meta and also Ctrl-Spacebar doesn't work for marking. These all work for me with MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit 190 under AIX 4.1. Thanks in advance, -- [ Brian Downing ][ If there is a hell ] [ bsd@panix.com ][ its fires wait for them ] [ '95 VFR750F ][ not us. -FZ ] From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 21 13:50:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27795 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA10242 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:50:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!primus.ac.net!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!inn From: thalmann@ruf.uni-freiburg.de (I. Thalmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 starts Trumpet Wsk on startup Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 17:33:55 GMT Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Germany Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4dr92p$rmn@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip234.home.uni-freiburg.de X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Hello out there, does anybody know why K95 always starts Trumpet Winsock? This is also happening when I try to initialize a dial up connection. Seems to me that K95 checks if a winsock is running and tries to use it before attempting to dial out. Unfortunately Trumpet Winsock interpretes this call as a request to be loaded. Is there a way to prevent K95 from calling the winsock on every start? TIA Ingo -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ingo Thalmann Freiburg/Germany thalmann@uni-freiburg.de -------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 21 15:43:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05640 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA12723 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 15:42:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh8ab.bnr.ca!hadi From: hadi@bnr.ca (Jamal Hadi Salim) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Transmit command Date: 21 Jan 1996 19:36:37 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4du4k5$hn0@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> References: <4dru0m$oev@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> <4ds53l$nig@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcarhf3f.bnr.ca Thanks a lot. This did it for me. In article <4ds53l$nig@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bob Shair wrote: >hadi@bnr.ca (Jamal Hadi Salim) writes: > > >>i have hooked up a local device thru a serial port and i am trying >>to talk to it via kermit. No problem there; >>however, when i use the transmit command to send it a text file only the first >>line is sent! >>i looked up the kermit book page 170-1 and it suggested that i change >>the prompt on the local device since kermit waits for this >>prompt ... i have no idea how the device receives th lines and how it processes >>them. I changed the prompt on the device but only the first line got received > >We must be working from different editions... Transmit is discussed on >pp 202-207 of my Using C-Kermit (1993). You are right; the book i have is really old! I would need to buy a new one; any pointers where i can get one? None of the bookstores around here carry it. Maybe the publisher? > >It would really be helpful to know whether the device sends anything >in response to a line. If not, try: >set transmit prompt 0 >set transmit pause (maybe 100...) > This is it. Thanks again. >You ought to be able to see what comes back with >SET DEBUG >I think, but I've never tried it with TRANSMIT cheers jamal From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 21 16:14:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07767 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 16:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA13535 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 16:14:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 starts Trumpet Wsk on startup Date: 21 Jan 1996 21:13:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4duaan$d6q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4dr92p$rmn@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4dr92p$rmn@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, I. Thalmann wrote: >does anybody know why K95 always starts Trumpet Winsock? This is also >happening when I try to initialize a dial up connection. Seems to me >that K95 checks if a winsock is running and tries to use it before >attempting to dial out. Unfortunately Trumpet Winsock interpretes this >call as a request to be loaded. Is there a way to prevent K95 from >calling the winsock on every start? Kermit 95 initializes the Winsock DLL upon startup as it should. Otherwise, you could not use it to make a TCP/IP connection. If Trumpet is interpretting a WSAStart() call as dial an ISP, then that is a bug in Trumpet. I believe there is a way to tell Trumpet not to auto dial. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 21 20:25:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24736 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 20:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA19081 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 20:25:03 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Dobb's Message-ID: <1996Jan21.125452.71823@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Jan 96 12:54:52 MDT References: <4drisb$bnb@freenet.unbc.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 In article <4drisb$bnb@freenet.unbc.edu>, ad151@freenet.unbc.edu (Jack Bowling) writes: > Nice to see the good Kermit press in the latest Dr. Dobb's Journal. My > assumption is that the techniques described by the author therein are his > own alterations to the Kermit source code? Or are they already contained > in one of the many flavors of Kermit? ---------- I just picked up a copy of that DDJ issue. The author is trying an independent implementation of the Kermit protocol, and the Columbia implemenations were done many years ago (more efficiently too). It is nice to see Kermit protocol material discussed. However, there is one fatal protocol mistake in his work, and misunderstandings follow from it. Kermit never ACKs a packet until it has been completely processed. The DDJ author indicates packets are ACK'd as they are received into a buffer but not yet processed, and that's fatal. Heuristics dealing with his situation are different than we use in MS-DOS Kermit and C Kermit. Also, I threw out "The Source" strategy as naive when, a long time ago, I redid sliding windows from scratch (MSK). The MS-DOS Kermit form went into C Kermit. So far as I can make out the DDJ author is not using our Columbia source code as references. There is also a suspicious part near the end of the article where he claims that his Kermit implemenation was a great deal (two times) faster than a Zmodem transfer, over a local link. They ought to be much closer, provided flow control was active. Failure of flow control is certainly a real-world possibility, but I separate its effects from protocol design. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 21 20:44:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA25981 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 20:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA19388 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jan 1996 20:44:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!news.hnc.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS directory tree transfer? Message-ID: <1996Jan21.081558.71815@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Jan 96 08:15:58 MDT References: <4dp6i9$9vt@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 In article <4dp6i9$9vt@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, rem@helios.ucolick.org (Remington Stone) writes: > Hi, > > I have a direct serial connection between a PC running WFWG3.11 and > Kermit 3.14 patch 9, and a Sparc5 with SunOS4.1.3 and C-Kermit 5A(190). > File transfer between the two is fine. > > I have not been able to figure out a way to transfer an entire > directory tree with all associated files between the two machines. > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! ----------------- Well, as MSK and CK programs go, there isn't a built-in way of transfering directory trees. The reason is file systems differ a great deal between operating systems, so much that there isn't a neat algorithmic way of representing one on the other. FTP has no such capability either; at best a command parser (Unix shell, etc) gets the task of creating a single file listing stuff. Kermits can produce the same listing file via the command REMOTE DIR . Speaking as a person who does a lot of mirroring between systems, the problem is to get a directory listing of one directory from the remote machine, parse it locally knowing the kind of remote system, build a list of files to be moved, detect subdirectories in a dir listing and stuff those into another list of to-be-explored, and so on. Finally the dual list of files and remote directories to be visited is use to drive a get-file script. Such a procedure is quite messy, uses lots of memory in many cases (all those text strings), and requires that one end understand the syntax of directory listings of the other end. The better approach is to use a file archiving tool on the remote end which fully understands that end and compose a single resultant file for movement across the wire. Tools such as zip, zoo, arj, tar are common. Yes, that involves extra storage on the sending end. When the remote end is Unix one must deal with Unix-isms such as long filenames, symbolic links, and mixed case sensitivity. As I said, it's a really messy problem. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 22 04:51:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA01807 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 04:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA28725 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 04:51:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ksu.ksu.edu!news.mid.net!news.creighton.edu!bluejay.creighton.edu!honge From: "H. Young" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: NAK out of windows Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 13:58:29 -0600 Organization: Creighton University, Omaha Nebraska USA Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bluejay.creighton.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm having trouble with "NAK out of windows" -- it can happen few seconds immediately into the transfer to few minute into transfer. Is there anyway to overcome this? The two systems involved are 5A(190) under HP-UX and 5A(191) in OS/2. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 22 10:01:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28515 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA20870 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:01:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!csn!ub!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: two machine "network" using tcp/ip Message-ID: <1996Jan19.230128.71751@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Jan 96 23:01:28 MDT References: <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk> <4daegb$j0k@Mercury.mcs.com> <4dpapc$gce@saturn.ball.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 In article <4dpapc$gce@saturn.ball.com>, jwehner@ball.com (John Wehner) writes: > In article <4daegb$j0k@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM says... >> >>In article <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, >>Earl H. Kinmonth wrote: >> >> . . . With WFW, I don't think >>there is any way to run kermit with the native tcp, but it doesn't >>matter much since . . . . >> >>Les Mikesell >> les@mcs.com > > Does this mean I can't run kermit if I am useing WFW? > I am on a network at work running WFW. > I want to be able to transfer files from other systems I telnet to. ---------- It means you can't run two or more TCP/IP stacks at the same time over the same board, no matter what o/s. If you use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack then that counts to the limit, ditto if you use MS' TCP/IP stack in WFW. The limit is one, naturally. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 22 13:57:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24818 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:57:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA27335 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 13:57:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermitting through OS Layers Trouble Date: 22 Jan 1996 18:57:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-ID: <4e0mmk$qm1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4dn8a7$sk9@news.halcyon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4dn8a7$sk9@news.halcyon.com>, Edward Hatfield wrote: : I'm running cKermit 1.90 on a DG/UX AViiON Box and it seems quite : happy there. With it I'm trying to reach out to a copy of the same : cKermit compiled on a Motorola 88k, which I created for file transfer. : : When I invoke Kermit on my local AViiON box and call the remote : system, I'm dropped into a PICK environment that lives on top of unix : (with unix being the core of their box). From there I 'sh' down into : unix and invoke kermit as a server. : : Everything seems happy enough, but when I try to do 'remote' commands : or transfer files, nothing happens. : : I've tried: a) Various (if not all) parity settings. : b) Changing the character control used in file transfer. : c) Changing 'stty' settings : d) Changing flow-control and handshaking. : : The tool thats given me the most information has been loggin packets. : By doing this I've verified that the remote command receives the : inital packet from me and returns an reply packet, but... My Local : machine Never Gets it, it times out. : On which side did you log the packets? : I try to be clever... (lord knows)... but I'm at the end of my : resources. Any help at this point would be appreciated. Kermit is : the best! : Without seeing the packet logs, I would guess that: b) Changing the character control used in file transfer. is the most likely area of interest. First, make sure that you are not using the "control-character unprefixing" feature. Then the only control character you have to worry about is the start-of-packet character. Perhaps the regular one, Control-A (ASCII 1), has some special significance in the PICK environment. However, it seems from what you said that that the PICK side can *receive* regular packets OK, but evidently can not send them -- at least not all the way to the other end. So you would need to change the start-of-packet character in the PICK-to-AViiON direction. Suppose you want to change it to Control-G. Tell C-Kermit on the PICK end to: set send start 7 and tell C-Kermit on the AViiON end to: set receive start 7 That is, the one Kermit has to be told to send it, and the other must be told to expect it. If that doesn't do the trick, try some other control characters. If that fails too, send me packet logs from both Kermits by email. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 22 14:48:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29679 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA28512 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:47:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dr. Dobb's Date: 22 Jan 1996 19:47:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4e0pk9$rqi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4drisb$bnb@freenet.unbc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4drisb$bnb@freenet.unbc.edu>, Jack Bowling wrote: > Nice to see the good Kermit press in the latest Dr. Dobb's Journal. My > assumption is that the techniques described by the author therein are his > own alterations to the Kermit source code? Or are they already contained > in one of the many flavors of Kermit? > Tim Kientzle wrote a book called "The Working Programmer's Guide to Serial Protocols" and he wrote his own Kermit and XYZMODEM code from scratch. The Dr Dobbs article is a followup. The Kermit protocol was designed from the very beginning to (a) be extensible, and (b) allow sliding windows with selective retransmission. There is a difference between an abstract protocol specification and its implementation in software. The major performance issue in a sliding window protocol with selective retransmission is error recovery. There are many sorts of errors, and many possible ways to recover from each. "Which packet(s) should I retransmit?" and so on. These are not protocol issues, but implementation ones. The techniques used in MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit have proven effective and stable in the real world for some years. As Tim points out, Kermit sliding-window transfers degrade quite slowly under conditions of increasing noise and/or delay. This is by design, and we verified it ourselves in the lab some years ago under controlled conditions. This is not to say that other strategies are not possible or that our own cannot be improved. But I think the important point is that the error recovery methods used in MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit have been tested by millions over a broad range of connections and platforms, and whenever a situation arose that we did not handle well (or at all), we refined our techniques accordingly, and this has resulted in a stable base of code that works well in practically every situation. As new bottlenecks become evident, we will continue to address them, but by now I think most such advances in this area will qualify as "fine tuning" rather than "great leaps forward". In the meantime, thanks to Tim for publicizing some of the little-understood benefits of the Kermit protocol. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 03:19:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA03265 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 03:19:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA16742 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 03:19:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!tribune.meitca.com!ulowell.uml.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!kira.cc.uakron.edu!odin.oar.net!malgudi.oar.net!news.concourse.com!usenet From: "Mark T. Regan" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HP3000 Kermit ? Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:10:25 -0500 (EST) Organization: Internet Concourse Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bronze.coil.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does the HP3000 version of Kermit allow you to make an outbound dial call to another system? Thanks. ===================================================================== Mark T. Regan Internet: reganm@coil.com Network Specialist City: Reynoldsburg CTO1 USNR-R (1969-1991) State: Ohio From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 03:57:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA05659 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 03:57:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA17203 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 03:57:05 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!homer.alpha.net!mvb.saic.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.hawaii.edu!mpg.phys.hawaii.edu!tony From: tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin) Subject: P rz stuck at end of download X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mpg.phys.hawaii.edu Message-ID: Sender: news@news.hawaii.edu Organization: University of Hawaii X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:58:10 GMT Lines: 23 I'm using P (version 2.05) with OS/2 C-Kermit and have found that although rz works ok using a serial connection, it hangs at the end of a file transfer when using TCP/IP (telnet). So far I've tried varying the commbuf size and also tried specifying -escape control but always get the same results - p.exe does not return to C-Kermit after the last byte is transferred. Has anyone ever gotten the rz macro to work in a network environment with OS/2 C-Kermit? Do I need to do anything else before starting the telnet session from C-Kermit for P to work properly? The sz macro DOES work on both a serial connection and via TCP/IP. -- Antonio Querubin tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu / ah6bw@hawaii.ampr.org -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzDpucoAAAEEAOfUAzqw0S75ZG/4RPZrgCF2A3sL1Kewe/lJvtbqchHxhM3p nRQveA7PE7Q9WgF7Qou6eKCQxnh6hmyYLYffA5oEf/Mqs/01EAeKXVJzWRjnfVq5 vR7KI38MXxJSI31zM5NCjsF7XnTjXbIgIg/762JuhCDTvEJZQbNOu2U3dgx5AAUT tCtBbnRvbmlvIFF1ZXJ1YmluIDx0b255QG1wZy5waHlzLmhhd2FpaS5lZHU+ =V2Ik -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 04:02:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA06228 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 04:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA17299 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 04:02:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: "Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com" <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PC Connection Problems Date: 22 Jan 1996 21:50:18 GMT Organization: Sparta Systems Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4e10qq$s3u$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> We are using kermit to transfer files between two PC's via modem. However, sometimes we are unable to connect the PC's at the same baud rate (i.e., 9600). In the mscustom.ini we have "set baud 9600" and we also have "AT %B9600" to set the baud rate between the modem and the PC. However, often when trying to connect we will see on the dailing PC CONNECT 9600 but on the answering PC we see CONNECT 7200. Any ideas of what else needs to be set. We are also trying to use the "SET PORT 2" command in mscustom.ini but receive a warning that have "unknown hardware for port2" Any ideas of what is wrong (note, these are standard 486 stand alone PCs). Thanks in advance, Rich GOdlewsky Sparta Systems, Inc. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 10:47:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12630 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA11503 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:47:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS directory tree transfer? Date: 23 Jan 1996 15:47:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4e2vun$b78@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4dp6i9$9vt@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4dp6i9$9vt@darkstar.UCSC.EDU>, Remington Stone wrote: > I have a direct serial connection between a PC running WFWG3.11 and > Kermit 3.14 patch 9, and a Sparc5 with SunOS4.1.3 and C-Kermit 5A(190). > File transfer between the two is fine. I have not been able to figure > out a way to transfer an entire directory tree with all associated files > between the two machines. > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a utility, XSEND, that will do this for you in the PC-to-UNIX direction. With some work, it could also be made to work in the other direction too. Look in the UTILS subdirectory, read the XSEND.HLP file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 10:54:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13486 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA11637 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:54:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: two machine "network" using tcp/ip Date: 23 Jan 1996 15:53:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 65 Message-ID: <4e30al$bbd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk> <4daegb$j0k@Mercury.mcs.com> <4dpapc$gce@saturn.ball.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4dpapc$gce@saturn.ball.com>, John Wehner wrote: : In article <4daegb$j0k@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM says... : > : >In article <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, : >Earl H. Kinmonth wrote: : > . . . With WFW, I don't think : >there is any way to run kermit with the native tcp, but it doesn't : >matter much since . . . . : : Does this mean I can't run kermit if I am useing WFW? : I am on a network at work running WFW. : I want to be able to transfer files from other systems I telnet to. : No, it does not mean you can't run Kermit if you are using WFW. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a file, NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC, that explains how to do it. Quoting from Chapter 8 of that file: Steps to follow after installing network support in WFW v3.11. This presumes that WFW owns the network adapter (Situation 1 above). 1. Ensure that both PROTMAN.EXE and PROTMAN.DOS are in the WFW directory. You may have to uncompress them from the WFW distribution media. Copy files DIS_PKT9.DOS and WINPKT.COM there too. 2. Edit PROTOCOL.INI to insert the [pktdrv] section as shown below. Changes to the intvec= and novell= lines are permitted. An NE2000 NDIS v2 board driver, MS$NE2000, is used in this example: [pktdrv] DriverName=PKTDRV$ bindings=MS$NE2000 intvec=0x63 novell=no 3. Edit SYSTEM.INI [network drivers] section to add ",DIS_PKT9.DOS" to the transport= line, and to ensure an NDIS v2 netcard= driver has been given. Please do not confuse this transport= line with a similar one in the [enhanced] section; the [enhanced] section refers to 32-bit protected mode material. An NE2000 board is used in this example. [network drivers] devdir=C:\WFW LoadRMDrivers=Yes transport=ndishlp.sys,*netbeui,dis_pkt9.dos netcard=ne2000.dos 4. Before starting Windows issue DOS commands (once only) NET START WINPKT \x060 0x63 (example interrupts) The first command energizes the NDIS V2 handlers, and the DIS_PKT9 banner should be displayed ending with the Ethernet address of your board. NET.EXE is in the WFW directory; also see next paragraph. The second command starts Windows helper shim WINPKT, and that needs the Packet Driver (DIS_PKT9) active beforehand. A comment on the line "LoadRMDrivers=Yes." NET START reads file SYSTEM.INI to obtain loading information, and the answer "Yes" tells it to run PROTMAN.EXE that loads the drivers with PROTOCOL.INI supplying details. If the answer were "No" then the Real Mode (RM) drivers would not be loaded or available. However, if "No" were stated then we could give command NET START NETBIND to run PROTMAN.EXE and get the same results as the "Yes" case. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 11:21:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16733 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:21:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA12315 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:21:09 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 has problem with Microcom modem Date: 23 Jan 1996 16:20:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 82 Message-ID: <4e31sk$c0i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4dpf60$jh8@kirin.wwa.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4dpf60$jh8@kirin.wwa.com>, wrote: : I just installed K95 (v1.1.2) today. The dialer doesn't work with my : Microm DeskPort Fast EP 28.8. : : Modem is configured as "microcom-at". Dialer fails when it tries to : initialize the modem. I set "require carrier" to "off" for an entry, : tried again, still no luck. I can manually dial with no problem, so baud : rate, flow control, etc. are ok. : Please do this: . Start K95.EXE (without the Dialer). . Give the following commands at the prompt: set modem type microcom-at set port log debug dial close debug . Send me the resulting debug.log file. : Since the dialer takes control after K95.INI and K95CUSTOM.INI, I can't : see a way of creating a custom modem configuration. : See item 22 in the BUGS.DOC file. Quoting: 22. SET MODEM commands in K95CUSTOM.INI have no effect (K) Symptom Modem customization commands added to K95CUSTOM.INI seem to have no effect when launching a connection from the Dialer, even though they do work correctly when when K95.EXE is started without the Dialer. Diagnosis The Dialer generates a SET MODEM TYPE command that is executed by K95.EXE after the K95CUSTOM.INI file is executed. The SET MODEM TYPE command reinitializes all of the SET MODEM modem parameters from an internal table, thus overriding the customizations you made in the INI file. Workaround Bypass the Dialer if you need to use customized modem parameters or a user-defined modem type. Cure Fixed in version 1.1.1. The fix was that the command list composed by the Dialer used to say: set modem type but in 1.1.1 and later it says: if not equal "\v(modem)" "" set modem type Thus you should be able to give commands like this in your K95CUSTOM.INI: set modem type microcom-at set modem command xxx yyy set modem command xxx yyy set modem command xxx yyy .... And then, when making a connection using the Dialer and with the "microcom-at" modem type selected in the Dialer, the "set modem" command should be skipped (since it was already set in K95CUSTOM.INI), and therefore the built-in modem commands will not be reloaded and therefore will not overwrite the ones you put in your K95CUSTOM.INI file. You can check what the Dialer is doing by adding the following command to your K95CUSTOM.INI file: set startup-file keep The command list that the Dialer constructs is stored in the file: \TMP\.INI In any case, we'll be able to handle this more expeditiously by direct email, so please follow up with me. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 12:08:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22589 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA13416 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:08:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: NAK out of windows Date: 23 Jan 1996 17:08:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4e34lq$d30@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , H. Young wrote: : I'm having trouble with "NAK out of windows" -- it can happen few seconds : immediately into the transfer to few minute into transfer. Is there : anyway to overcome this? The two systems involved are 5A(190) under HP-UX : and 5A(191) in OS/2. : Please send a description of the kind of connection you have, along with packet logs from each end, to: kermit-support@columbia.edu - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 12:14:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23192 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:14:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA13536 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:14:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HP3000 Kermit ? Date: 23 Jan 1996 17:13:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4e34vm$d6b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mark T. Regan wrote: : Does the HP3000 version of Kermit allow you to make an outbound dial : call to another system? : Yes. See the HP3000.DOC file that comes with HP3000 Kermit. There is no built-in dial command or modem support, so presumabely you would make a connection to the modem: set line set speed connect and then type the appropriate setup and dialing commands to the modem. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 12:21:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24323 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA13712 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 12:21:43 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC Connection Problems Date: 23 Jan 1996 17:21:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4e35ei$dca@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4e10qq$s3u$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4e10qq$s3u$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> wrote: : We are using kermit to transfer files between two PC's via modem. : However, sometimes we are unable to connect the PC's at the same : baud rate (i.e., 9600). In the mscustom.ini we have "set baud : 9600" and we also have "AT %B9600" to set the baud rate between : the modem and the PC. However, often when trying to connect we : will see on the dailing PC CONNECT 9600 but on the answering PC : we see CONNECT 7200. Any ideas of what else needs to be set. : This usually means that conditions on the connection between the two modems were not good enough to sustain 9600 bps, and so they negotiated to a fallback speed. You need to configure your modems to keep their interface speed fixed at 9600 (or whatever), regardless of the connection speed. And obviously, you also need effective and instantaneous flow control between each modem and its computer, ideally RTS/CTS. So both modems and both copies of Kermit should be configured for RTS/CTS flow control. : We are also trying to use the "SET PORT 2" command in : mscustom.ini but receive a warning that have "unknown hardware : for port2" Any ideas of what is wrong (note, these are standard : 486 stand alone PCs). : The current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14. It comes with a file called KERMIT.BWR that should contain the answer to your question. If you are not using version 3.14, please upgrade. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 14:44:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12009 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 14:44:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA17093 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 14:44:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: P rz stuck at end of download Date: 23 Jan 1996 19:44:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4e3dq1$glu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Antonio Querubin wrote: >I'm using P (version 2.05) with OS/2 C-Kermit and have found that although >rz works ok using a serial connection, it hangs at the end of a file >transfer when using TCP/IP (telnet). So far I've tried varying the >commbuf size and also tried specifying -escape control but always get the >same results - p.exe does not return to C-Kermit after the last byte is >transferred. Has anyone ever gotten the rz macro to work in a network >environment with OS/2 C-Kermit? Do I need to do anything else before >starting the telnet session from C-Kermit for P to work properly? There is a known bug in P 2.05 with regards to the timeout value at the end of a transfer. The transfer is complete. It is safe to Ctrl-C at this point. If you wait for 60 seconds or so it should Terminate. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 16:38:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26078 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 16:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA20159 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 16:38:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsserver.jvnc.net!news.cyanamid.com!news From: Bala Balakrishnan Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit - noninteractive mode usage. Date: 23 Jan 1996 15:34:39 GMT Organization: American Cyanamid Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4e2v6f$f17@igate2.pt.cyanamid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.173.27.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2 (Windows; U; 16bit) I would like to see some script examples which uses kermit for non-interactive communication. I am trying to use kermit to communicate between a hp9000 running hpux 9.0 and a remote OS/2 PC. When I connect to the OS/2 PC, it will automatically invoke a 3rd party software which will connect to a IBM 3090, collect a file and convert it from EBCIDIC to ASCII and place it on the OS/2. At that point, I will escape back to the local kermit and receive the file. I have been able to get this working after tweaking a lot of parameters. Now, I would like this process to be automated using a unix shell script or whatever. Unfortunately the hpux documentation that I have on kermit is very minimal and it does not have any examples at all. I would appreciate if someone can send me some examples of using kermit in non-interactive mode. My email address is balakrishnanb@cyanamid.com Also, is there a FAQ for this news group? If yes, where can I find it? Thanks in advance, Bala. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 17:43:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04247 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 17:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA21906 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 17:43:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit - noninteractive mode usage. Date: 23 Jan 1996 22:42:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-ID: <4e3o9f$lcb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4e2v6f$f17@igate2.pt.cyanamid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4e2v6f$f17@igate2.pt.cyanamid.com>, Bala Balakrishnan wrote: : I am trying to use kermit to communicate between a hp9000 running hpux : 9.0 and a remote OS/2 PC. When I connect to the OS/2 PC, it will : automatically invoke a 3rd party software which will connect to a IBM : 3090, collect a file and convert it from EBCIDIC to ASCII and place it : on the OS/2. At that point, I will escape back to the local kermit and : receive the file. I have been able to get this working after tweaking a : lot of parameters. : : Now, I would like this process to be automated using a unix shell script : or whatever. Unfortunately the hpux documentation that I have on kermit : is very minimal and it does not have any examples at all. : The current version of HP-UX is 10.x, and the current version of C-Kermit for HP-UX is 5A(190). In fact, C-Kermit 5A(190) is part of HP-UX 10.0, by agreement between Columbia University and Hewlett Packard. Earlier releases of HP-UX included an ancient version of C-Kermit, 4E(072), which, unlike the current version, does not have a script programming language. So first you will need to install the current version of C-Kermit on your HP-UX system. See our Web page for details: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Use one of the HP-UX 9.0-specific makefile entries. : I would appreciate if someone can send me some examples of using kermit : in non-interactive mode. : Three chapters of the manual, "Using C-Kermit", are devoted to script programming. This applies to both the HP-UX version and the OS/2 version, as well as to many others. For information about the manual, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html Also look at the ckermit.ini (.kermrc) file that comes with C-Kermit 5A(190) for some examples. : Also, is there a FAQ for this news group? If yes, where can I find it? : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 19:26:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA16635 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 19:26:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA25167 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 19:26:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!csn!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC Connection Problems Message-ID: <1996Jan22.174719.71942@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Jan 96 17:47:19 MDT References: <4e10qq$s3u$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 In article <4e10qq$s3u$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> writes: > We are using kermit to transfer files between two PC's via modem. > However, sometimes we are unable to connect the PC's at the same > baud rate (i.e., 9600). In the mscustom.ini we have "set baud > 9600" and we also have "AT %B9600" to set the baud rate between > the modem and the PC. However, often when trying to connect we > will see on the dailing PC CONNECT 9600 but on the answering PC > we see CONNECT 7200. Any ideas of what else needs to be set. No thoughts since it's a pure modem to modem effect. When the modems do connect it is at the same telco rate (and must be for them to converse). The PC bus side can operate at a different rate, and we suggest locking the modems to a higher (say 38400) interface rate. > We are also trying to use the "SET PORT 2" command in > mscustom.ini but receive a warning that have "unknown hardware > for port2" Any ideas of what is wrong (note, these are standard > 486 stand alone PCs). It means what it says: there is something not quite right with that port on your machine. The Kermit release documentation has many hints on sorting out serial ports. Most often it's an IRQ conflict. Joe D. > Thanks in advance, > Rich GOdlewsky > Sparta Systems, Inc. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 21:05:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA26091 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 21:04:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA27823 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 21:04:50 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!informatik.uni-bremen.de!nordwest.pop.de!uniol!uni-erlangen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!news.unibw-muenchen.de!news From: Peter Schmolck Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC Connection Problems Date: 23 Jan 1996 15:08:14 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4e2tku$44u@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> References: <4e10qq$s3u$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> <1996Jan22.174719.71942@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc1.paed.unibw-muenchen.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: >In article <4e10qq$s3u$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> writes: >> We are also trying to use the "SET PORT 2" command in >> mscustom.ini but receive a warning that have "unknown hardware >> for port2" Any ideas of what is wrong (note, these are standard >> 486 stand alone PCs). > > It means what it says: there is something not quite right >with that port on your machine. The Kermit release documentation >has many hints on sorting out serial ports. Most often it's an >IRQ conflict. This is a familiar error message to me also, and I believe there has been a discussion in this group a couple of months ago. Meanwhile, I do not care about the reasons but simply type "set port 2" from the MS-Kermit prompt again, and then everything would be OK, usually. -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 23 22:17:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA02415 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 22:16:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA29485 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jan 1996 22:16:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.interlog.com!winternet.com!ppp-67-43.dialup.winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (JamesSturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC Connection Problems Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 14:28:57 LOCAL Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <4e10qq$s3u$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> <1996Jan22.174719.71942@cc.usu.edu> <4e2tku$44u@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-67-43.dialup.winternet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <4e2tku$44u@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Peter Schmolck writes: >From: Peter Schmolck >jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: >>In article <4e10qq$s3u$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky >76412.156@compuserve.com <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> writes: >>> We are also trying to use the "SET PORT 2" command in >>> mscustom.ini but receive a warning that have "unknown hardware >>> for port2" Any ideas of what is wrong (note, these are standard >>> 486 stand alone PCs). >> >> It means what it says: there is something not quite right >>with that port on your machine. The Kermit release documentation >>has many hints on sorting out serial ports. Most often it's an >>IRQ conflict. >This is a familiar error message to me also, and I believe there has been a >discussion in this group a couple of months ago. Meanwhile, I do not care >about the reasons but simply type "set port 2" from the MS-Kermit prompt >again, and then everything would be OK, usually. If it works the second time the command is invoked, it means you are running under Windows. Windows is mucking with the ports and thinks another program is using it. JamesS From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 24 02:55:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA24229 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 02:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA05385 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 02:55:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-kermit->Ckermit: howto force lowercase Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 03:36:32 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3105a2fc.117372943@128.230.1.4> References: <4e3lma$l5q@vodka.intele.net> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sudial3-169.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 gerry@blue.intele.net (Gerry Jensen) wrote: >I'm transferring files from MS-Kermit to Ckermit. I want the transferred >files to be saved in lowercase letters instead of uppercase. Is there a >command on either the MS-Kermit side or Ckermit side to force this? I read in "Using CKermit ..." that telling UNIX CKermit to "set file names converted" will cause it to convert the names to lower case upon receiving. Also, the SEND command allows specifying a remote file name. Kermit's \Flower() function allows you to change everything to lower case. You could: send filename.ext \Flower(filename.ext) or, in macros where a file name is given as an argument, send \%1 \Flower(\%1) - Vince ___ Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 24 09:40:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27443 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:40:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA28056 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:40:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!tncnet.com!usenet From: MichaelManning Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hangup modem within KERMIT Date: 24 Jan 1996 07:13:48 GMT Organization: VisiCom Network Services Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4e4m7c$gdv@atlas.tncnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wav95-94.atmnet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2 (Windows; U; 16bit) I am posting this for a friend. You may respond to any of the following: rdk@hnc.com mgm@hnc.com mgm29@wavenet.com My friend is using KERMIT to automatically dial into a couple of different sites and retrieve specific files. For some reason, he is unable to completely disconnect from the first site before dialing into the second site. The only way he has been able to get this to work is to cycle the power on the modem before logging into each site. Does anyone know how he can tell KERMIT to hang up the modem?? Here is a copy of the script he has been using: set modem hayes set line /dev/ttyb dial 4679508 input 42 \10 output connect\13 output \13 input 5 Host Name: output COMPUSERVE\13 input 5 User ID: output \13 input 5 Password: output \13 input 40 Enter choice ! output exit\13 output Ctrl-\c exit Thanks for your help. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 24 13:24:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23340 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA03996 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:23:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!sgiblab!news.spies.com!genmagic!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-kermit->Ckermit: howto force lowercase Date: 24 Jan 1996 01:50:05 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4e438d$d0p@hustle.rahul.net> References: <4e3lma$l5q@vodka.intele.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Gerry Jensen (gerry@blue.intele.net) wrote: : I'm transferring files from MS-Kermit to Ckermit. I want the transferred : files to be saved in lowercase letters instead of uppercase. Is there a : command on either the MS-Kermit side or Ckermit side to force this? set file names convert should "normalize" names for you. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 24 13:24:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23336 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA03995 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 13:23:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!xmission!inteleNET!usenet From: gerry@blue.intele.net (Gerry Jensen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-kermit->Ckermit: howto force lowercase Date: 23 Jan 1996 21:58:33 GMT Organization: Opti-Med International Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4e3lma$l5q@vodka.intele.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blue.intele.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 I'm transferring files from MS-Kermit to Ckermit. I want the transferred files to be saved in lowercase letters instead of uppercase. Is there a command on either the MS-Kermit side or Ckermit side to force this? Thanks, Gerry gerry@blue.intele.net From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 24 14:50:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA02490 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:50:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA06281 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:50:20 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta Date: 24 Jan 1996 19:49:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Brian Downing wrote: >I notice that when I take emacs.ini Alt doesn't map to Meta and also >Ctrl-Spacebar doesn't work for marking. These all work for me with >MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit 190 under AIX 4.1. There is a bug in K95 with regard to the default definition of Ctrl-Space. It is currently defined as \32. It should be defined as \KNull. You can correct this by editing your K95CUSTOM.INI file and adding the line: SET KEY \1056 \Knull -- As far as the Meta keys go. I believe they do work. Use the SHOW KEY command to test the definitions for each key. For instance, SHOW KEY followed by Alt-x displays a definition of \{27}x after loading EMACS.INI. This is the definition of M-x. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 24 22:24:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA13447 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:24:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA17679 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:24:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!fish.pond.com!usenet From: "Joseph B. Gill" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for Kermit pine downloading script Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 12:11:38 -0500 Organization: GMIS, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3106684A.1E34@gmis.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: atlantic-1.phl.pond.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (Win16; I) Hello, Does anyone have or know where there is a "generic" Kermit script to log on to a UNIX box and download new e-mails from pine? Thanks, Joe Gill E-Mail gilljb@pond.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 25 10:35:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12601 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:35:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA17284 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:35:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for Kermit pine downloading script Date: 25 Jan 1996 15:34:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 92 Message-ID: <4e87uj$grp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3106684A.1E34@gmis.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3106684A.1E34@gmis.com>, Joseph B. Gill wrote: >Does anyone have or know where there is a "generic" Kermit script >to log on to a UNIX box and download new e-mails from pine? > >From our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt 18 HOW DO I USE KERMIT WITH PINE? Here's a tip sheet we use at Columbia University - thanks to Joe Brennan. SCREEN FORMATTING Make sure that your UNIX terminal type agrees with Kermit's terminal emulation. For example, if Kermit is emulating a VT320, tell UNIX: export TERM=vt320 or: setenv TERM vt320 If there is a complaint about "terminal type unknown" when starting Pine, then try a lesser VT terminal model, such as VT220, VT102, VT100. PRINTING Pine's print command, letter Y, is known to work with MS-DOS Kermit and Mac Kermit. With MS-DOS Kermit, if the printer is directly attached, it should make the printer print the selected email message. With Mac Kermit, it should send the selected email message into the printer buffer, which can be seen in the Printer window, and which can be printed using the print command in the pulldown File menu. The command ''pcprint'' on UNIX (*), which prints any text file, does the same thing as Pine's Print command. It may be easier to debug problems by running a command like ''pcprint .profile'' at the UNIX shell ($ prompt). (*) pcprint is a UNIX shell script: ---(cut here)--- echo -n '[5i' if [ $# -eq 0 ]; then cat else cat $* fi echo -n '[4i' ---(cut here)--- (Replace by a real Escape (ASCII 27) character. DOWNLOADING FROM PINE TO THE PC Use Pine's command letter E, Export, to copy a message into a file. This file will be created in your home directory on UNIX. Then it can be downloaded to your PC or Mac using Kermit. After you finish, remember to remove the now-unneeded file on UNIX, using the ''rm'' command at the $ prompt. If you View a MIME-encoded message, Pine will ask whether to save it to a file with a name of your choice. Pine will decode the message and create the file in your home directory on UNIX. It can then be downloaded to your PC using kermit. MIME-encoded files are often binaries rather than plain text, so you should set kermit to transfer a binary file. UPLOADING FROM THE PC TO PINE Send email in plain text if possible. Save the document as plain ASCII text with the PC application that created it. Use Kermit to upload it to UNIX. Run Pine, choose letter C, Compose, and address your message as usual. Move the cursor to the Message Text area and choose control-R, Read File, and type the name the file (the copy on UNIX) to insert. You will see the file on screen, as if you had typed it. If it looks strange, it's not plain text, so start over. After you finish, remember to remove the now-unneeded file on UNIX, using the ''rm'' command at the $ prompt. If you want to send a PC document, use Kermit to upload it, setting Kermit to transfer a binary file. Run Pine, choose letter C, Compose, and at the Attchmnt: header, type the name of the file (the copy on UNIX). Pine will encode it using MIME, and attach it to the end of any text you choose to type in the message. *Note*: with MIME or any form of encoding, you should determine whether the recipient of your message will be able to decode it. Plain text email (previous paragraph) can be read on any email system. (End quote) You can also use the printing method described above to save (append) a message to a PC file, by using MS-DOS Kermit's SET PRINTER command to redirect printer material to the desired file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 25 15:59:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19247 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 15:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA25059 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 15:59:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!Portugal.EU.net!news.rccn.net!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.lth.se!merkurius.lu.se!ronneby.hk-r.se!news From: Andy Eskilsson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Swedish characters.. Date: 25 Jan 1996 17:33:06 +0100 Organization: University of Karlskrona/Ronneby Lines: 21 Sender: mpt95aes@ariel.pt.hk-r.se Message-ID: Reply-To: mpt95aes@pt.hk-r.se NNTP-Posting-Host: ariel.pt.hk-r.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Url: http://www.pt.hk-r.se/~mpt95aes X-Newsreader: September Gnus v0.29/Emacs 19.30 The net finally reached me, and I would like to send my thanx to the people behind kermit, who gave me a cosy package for communicating with my unix hosts from my 386sx16 with 1 meg memory :-) (I am at the moment looking for the closest dealer for the kermit book..) Well I have a small problem, as I am swedish, I would like to read/write swedish texts, with our three special characters, a with ", a with *, and an o with ". When I press the keys on my keyboard emacs gets: ^[D, ^[F and ^[T, not åäö (wow how did I do that :-)), and when I manage to find some swedish texts, the åäö looks like down-arrow, left-arrow and rotated T. Any hints how to fix this, what files to look into? Where to poke? /andy -- Don't walk in front of me, I might be unable to follow you. Don't walk after me, I might be unable to lead you. Just walk by my side and be my friend. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 25 17:49:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00266 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA27728 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Jan 1996 17:49:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Swedish characters.. Date: 25 Jan 1996 22:49:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-ID: <4e91e2$r2a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andy Eskilsson wrote: > The net finally reached me, and I would like to send my thanx to the > people behind kermit, who gave me a cosy package for communicating > with my unix hosts from my 386sx16 with 1 meg memory :-) (I am at the > moment looking for the closest dealer for the kermit book..) > Do you have a Web browser? You can find out all about Kermit books at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html >Well I have a small problem, as I am swedish, I would like to >read/write swedish texts, with our three special characters, a with ", >a with *, and an o with ". > As it happens, Kermit knows all about Swedish and many other languages too. >When I press the keys on my keyboard emacs gets: ^[D, ^[F and ^[T, not >åäö (wow how did I do that :-)), and when I manage to find some swedish >texts, the åäö looks like down-arrow, left-arrow and rotated T. > That is because EMACS -- at least your copy of it -- is configured to treat characters that have their 8th bit set to 1 to be "meta" characters, i.e. commands. Meta-A (M-A in EMACS jargon) means "A" with its 8th bit set, which is the same as the EMACS command ESC-A. >Any hints how to fix this, what files to look into? Where to poke? > When you receive your "Using MS-DOS Kermit" manual, it will explain all about how to use character sets, but it doesn't tell you how to configure EMACS. First of all, you can't use 8-bit characters until EMACS 19 (or MULE). So if you want Swedish characters in EMACS 18.xx or earlier, you will have to use 7-bit Swedish ISO 646 "{", "|", "}", which Kermit also supports. Leaving EMACS aside, for the moment, however, all you have to do in Kermit is (assuming your PC code page is 850 or 437): For 8-bit ISO Latin-1: SET TERMINAL BYTE 8 SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET LATIN1 For 7-bit Swedish ISO 646: SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET SWEDISH Your "special" Swedish keys should work correctly in both cases. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 26 07:16:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA17519 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 07:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA21533 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 07:16:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!raffles.technet.sg!usenet From: Robert Ong Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 Date: 18 Jan 1996 14:31:26 GMT Organization: Singapore MRT Ltd Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4dllju$jrb@raffles.technet.sg> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn77.ppp.pacific.net.sg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2 (Windows; I; 16bit) We are all using Kermit 3.14 to connect to the Alpha Unix machines at work. We have a perculiar problem: When the Unix machine prompts 'Username:', it expects to input to be in lower case. This is OK for all PCs except one - this one seems to have a CapsLock freeze! What ever I type in I can only get it in upper case (a no-no for Unix logons). I've tried copying a similar setup of Kermit from a different PC, but no go! I know it is not the software, but has anyone here encountered a similar problem and can help me narrow down the fault? TIA Robert PS: Would appreciate replies via email....thanks From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 26 10:21:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22483 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA00079 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:21:22 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Richard McAllister Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta Date: 26 Jan 1996 07:02:12 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4e9u9k$t5i@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> References: <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 237.st-louis-2.mo.dial-access.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22ATT (Windows; U; 16bit) jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote: >In article , Brian Downing wrote: > >>I notice that when I take emacs.ini Alt doesn't map to Meta a >As far as the Meta keys go. I believe they do work. They do seem to work for me, *except* for the all important Meta-X. Is it somehow fighting with the default setup of using Alt-X to pop back to command mode? I looked in the docs for a way to turn that off but couldn't find it. Now, after using emacs.ini, Alt-X no longer takes me back to command mode, but it doesn't seem to send ESC X either. Instead, I get a short beep. Rich From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 26 11:05:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27999 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA01229 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:05:29 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 Date: 26 Jan 1996 16:05:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4eau3h$15e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4dllju$jrb@raffles.technet.sg> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4dllju$jrb@raffles.technet.sg>, Robert Ong wrote: : We are all using Kermit 3.14 to connect to the Alpha Unix machines : at work. : : We have a perculiar problem: When the Unix machine prompts 'Username:', : it expects to input to be in lower case. This is OK for all PCs except : one - this one seems to have a CapsLock freeze! What ever I type in : I can only get it in upper case (a no-no for Unix logons). : : I've tried copying a similar setup of Kermit from a different PC, but : no go! : : I know it is not the software, but has anyone here encountered a similar : problem and can help me narrow down the fault? : Right, it's not Kermit -- at least not unless somebody has played a practical joke and inserted a key-setting file that maps all lowercase letters to uppercase. Perhaps, as you suggest, the Caps Lock key is stuck -- try swapping keyboards to see if the problem moves with the keyboard. Another possibility -- if this PC is coming in on a particular serial port -- is that the UNIX console device has some peculiar lower- to uppercase mapping in effect. Use "man stty" on your UNIX system to see all the possibilities here and how to undo them. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 26 11:43:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02741 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA02114 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:43:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Portugal.EU.net!news.rccn.net!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.lth.se!merkurius.lu.se!ronneby.hk-r.se!news From: "Martin Ðberg" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Source-code for kermit Date: 25 Jan 1996 12:48:59 GMT Organization: University of Karlskrona/Ronneby Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4e7u7r$h68@ronneby.hk-r.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: skyhawk.dme.hk-r.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.05 9000/715) X-URL: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Urgent!! Does anyone have the source-code for Kermit or another protocol to be used with the Motorola HC11? Preferably in C, C++ or assembler. I intend to use it point to point between two HC11's. Martin Aberg, University Karlskrona/Ronneby, Sweden email: t94ma@kna.hk-r.se, t94ma@dme.hk-r.se From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 26 11:58:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04730 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:58:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA02501 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:58:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta Date: 26 Jan 1996 16:57:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4eb16i$2dv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4e9u9k$t5i@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4e9u9k$t5i@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Richard McAllister wrote: >jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote: >They do seem to work for me, *except* for the all important Meta-X. >Is it somehow fighting with the default setup of using Alt-X >to pop back to command mode? I looked in the docs for a way >to turn that off but couldn't find it. Now, after using >emacs.ini, Alt-X no longer takes me back to command mode, >but it doesn't seem to send ESC X either. Instead, I get >a short beep. When you redefine the meaning of the Alt-x key, it can't also be used for the previous meaning. Use the Ctrl-] c combination to return to command mode when \Kexit is not defined to any other key. Then use the SHOW KEY command to see what the Alt-x and Alt-X keys are defined as. they should be \{27}x and \{27}X respectively. If not, send mail to kermit-support@columbia.edu Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 26 19:55:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01945 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 19:55:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA14355 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 19:55:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!winternet.com!ppp-67-22.dialup.winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (JamesSturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:32:36 LOCAL Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <4dllju$jrb@raffles.technet.sg> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-67-22.dialup.winternet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <4dllju$jrb@raffles.technet.sg> Robert Ong writes: >We have a perculiar problem: When the Unix machine prompts 'Username:', >it expects to input to be in lower case. This is OK for all PCs except >one - this one seems to have a CapsLock freeze! What ever I type in >I can only get it in upper case (a no-no for Unix logons). >I've tried copying a similar setup of Kermit from a different PC, but >no go! >I know it is not the software, but has anyone here encountered a similar >problem and can help me narrow down the fault? Have you checked the machine for viruses? JamesS From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 26 19:55:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01950 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 19:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA14357 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 19:55:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!news From: Jozef Dodziuk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Terminal emulation in Kermit Date: 26 Jan 1996 16:26:19 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4eavbb$148b@news.cuny.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hodge.gc.cuny.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; Linux 1.2.13 i586) X-URL: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc I am using kermit to connect an old AT via a direct serial line to a computer running Linux. Everything works fine except that I do not get reversed video on the screen (monochrome monitor driven by a Hercules card). I suspect that SET TERMINAL COLOR with some parameters might do the trick, but I do not know what parameters to use. Any help will be appreciated. -- Jozef Dodziuk, Ph.D. Program in Mathematics Graduate School and University Center (CUNY), New York, NY 10036 e-mail: jzdqc@cunyvm.cuny.edu (preferred), jozek@hodge.gc.cuny.edu tel: 212-642-2468, FAX: 212-642-2585 From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 26 23:24:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA19497 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 23:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA18635 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jan 1996 23:24:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.join.ad.jp!news.imnet.ad.jp!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!primus.ac.net!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nntp.news.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!mix.com!sluggy From: billy@mix.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation in Kermit Date: 26 Jan 1996 16:34:01 -0700 Organization: Billy's Place Lines: 12 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: <4ebod9$mnm@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> References: <4eavbb$148b@news.cuny.edu> <1996Jan26.112054.72415@cc.usu.edu> X-Posted-By: billy@usr5.primenet.com Joe Doupnik writes: > 7 DECAWM Autowrap on off How about providing some means to lock this on (or off)? Not that I don't have the same trouble with real DEC terminals getting their wrap mode zapped by various Unix systems or set terminal /inquire on DEC systems, but this would sure be a handy addition to MSK. Billy Y.. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 08:15:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06925 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 08:15:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA11989 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 08:15:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci3!imci4!imci5!suck-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation in Kermit Message-ID: <1996Jan26.112054.72415@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Jan 96 11:20:54 MDT References: <4eavbb$148b@news.cuny.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 51 In article <4eavbb$148b@news.cuny.edu>, Jozef Dodziuk writes: > I am using kermit to connect an old AT via a direct serial line to a computer > running Linux. Everything works fine except that I do not get reversed video > on the screen (monochrome monitor driven by a Hercules card). I suspect that > SET TERMINAL COLOR with some parameters might do the trick, but I do not know > what parameters to use. Any help will be appreciated. ------- I recommend leaving SET TERM COLOR strictly alone when employing a mono display system. Recall that the host has to command reverse video, or you can say SET TERM SCREEN NORMAL or REVERSE (rather drastic). I don't have Linux, but watching over shoulders of others I gain the impression that it dearly loves to play with colors directly rather than a "reverse video" command. You can experiment locally with commands from this clipping from file msvibm.vt: CSI ? Ps;...;Ps h SM Set DEC mode, see table below CSI ? Ps;...;Ps l RM Reset DEC mode, see table below Ps Mnemonic Mode Set (h) Reset (l) 0 error (ignored) 1 DECCKM cursor keys application cursor/numeric 2 DECANM ANSI VT320/VT102 VT52 3 DECCOLM Columns +132 col 80 col 4 DECSCLM *Scrolling smooth jump 5 DECSCNM Screen, whole reverse video normal 6 DECOM Origin stay in margins ignore margins 7 DECAWM Autowrap on off 8 DECARM *Autorepeat on off 9 DECINLM *Interlace on off 18 DECPFF Printer term Form Feed none 19 DECPEX Printer extent screen scrolling region 25 DECTCEM Cursor visible invisible 34 DECRLM Writing right to left left to right 35 DECHEBM +++Invoke macro: KEYBOARDS KEYBOARDR 36 DECHEM ++++Hebrew encoding Multinational Hebrew NRC 38 n/a Graphics (Tek) ++graphics text 42 DECNRCM Nat Repl Char enable disable 66 DECNKM Numeric keypad application numeric 68 DECKBUM *Typewriter data process typewriter + Horizontal scrolling. See comments on EGA boards. ++ Ignored if DISABLE TEK has been given. +++ VT320 DEC supplements for Hebrew systems adapted from VT420-Hebrew terminals, invokes a new keyboard map. Kermit invokes macros above. ++++ Macros TerminalR/S have been removed in v3.13. (SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET must be given to employ DEC National Replacement Characters. Enabling NRCs replaces G0..G3 chars sets with the NRC set and disables 8-bit controls; disabling only re-enables 8-bit controls.) Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 11:14:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18561 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA01772 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:14:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!demon!nebulon.demon.co.uk From: pdaws@nebulon.demon.co.uk (Phil Daws) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Scheduling Jobs Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 22:43:59 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: <31095855.8056354@news.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: pdaws@nebulon.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: nebulon.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: nebulon.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/32.179 I'am after a piece of software running under DOS/Windows that will allow me to transmit a series of files to different phone numbers at a specified time. Is such thing available ? regards , ---------------------------------------------------- | Phil Daws, UK E-mail : pdaws@nebulon.demon.co.uk | ---------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 14:33:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03069 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA08295 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:33:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scheduling Jobs Date: 27 Jan 1996 19:32:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4edul4$82v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31095855.8056354@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31095855.8056354@news.demon.co.uk>, Phil Daws wrote: : I'am after a piece of software running under DOS/Windows that will : allow me to transmit a series of files to different phone numbers at a : specified time. Is such thing available ? : Yes - MS-DOS Kermit. Obtain the software and the manual, read the chapter on script programming that contains examples for doing just that. Full product info on our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 14:49:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04338 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:49:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA08620 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:49:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news.microsoft.com!news From: erich@microsoft.com (unknown) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 hangs Date: 26 Jan 1996 13:10:42 -0800 Organization: Microsoft Corporation Lines: 24 Sender: erich4@ERICH4.microsoft.com Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 157.55.93.22 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 I just got Kermit 95, version 1.1.2. I followed the installation instructions, telling the 'setup' program that I had a US Robotics modem on port 2. I then ran k95.exe, and typed 'C' to talk directly to the modem. K95 told me to type 'set carrier off' first, so I did. Then I typed 'C', and then 'ATZ', and the modem responded 'OK', as I expected. Then I typed 'ATDT9,382-2116', and instead of seeing all those characters echo on the screen, as I expected, I saw only 'ATDT9,38'. Nothing appeared after that. Nothing else I typed seemed to have any effect, until I hit Alt+X, which returned me to the K95 prompt. Oddly, if I run MS-DOS kermit 3.14, and similarly connect with 'C' and then type 'ATZ' and 'ATDT9,382-2116' as before, it works flawlessly. What might I be doing wrong? Please respond via email, as I don't regularly read this newsgroup. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Hanchrow -- erich@microsoft.com pgp fingerprint: c6 c7 de 59 1d e3 95 44 bc 40 25 61 af b1 90 b7 -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Hanchrow -- erich@microsoft.com pgp fingerprint: c6 c7 de 59 1d e3 95 44 bc 40 25 61 af b1 90 b7 From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 15:12:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06056 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:12:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA09530 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:12:11 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!usenet From: bsd@panix.com (Brian Downing) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta Date: 27 Jan 1996 11:40:43 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 27 Sender: bsd@panix.com Message-ID: References: <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix.com In-reply-to: bsd@panix.com's message of 27 Jan 1996 08:39:08 -0500 To: bsd@panix.com (Brian Downing) X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.13 In article bsd@panix.com I wrote: ;from emacs.ini set key \2168 \27x ; Alt-x set key \2168 \27y ; Alt-x ;should be set key \2168 \27x ; Alt-x set key \2169 \27y ; Alt-x Obviously I meant ;from emacs.ini set key \2168 \27x ; Alt-x set key \2168 \27y ; Alt-y ;should be set key \2168 \27x ; Alt-x set key \2169 \27y ; Alt-y I didn't cut and paste from window to window so I messed up the comments when I typed and then cut/paste w/emacs. -- [ Brian Downing ][ If there is a hell ] [ bsd@panix.com ][ its fires wait for them ] [ '95 VFR750F ][ not us. -FZ ] From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 15:37:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07841 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:37:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA10124 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:37:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 hangs Date: 27 Jan 1996 20:36:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 56 Message-ID: <4ee2cv$9s5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , unknown wrote: : I just got Kermit 95, version 1.1.2. I followed the installation : instructions, telling the 'setup' program that I had a US Robotics : modem on port 2. I then ran k95.exe, and typed 'C' to talk directly : to the modem. K95 told me to type 'set carrier off' first, so I did. : Then I typed 'C', and then 'ATZ', and the modem responded 'OK', as I : expected. Then I typed 'ATDT9,382-2116', and instead of seeing all : those characters echo on the screen, as I expected, I saw only : 'ATDT9,38'. Nothing appeared after that. Nothing else I typed seemed : to have any effect, until I hit Alt+X, which returned me to the K95 : prompt. : Obviously, that's not what's supposed to happen, and not what normally happens, and (:-) it doesn't happen here. It sounds like the classic symptom of an interrupt conflict, whose results can be unpredictable but generally result in an application being able to send to the port but not read from it. COM2 is typically on IRQ 3, and normally that's safe. Are you sure nothing else is on IRQ 3? In a similar vein, is it possible that another process -- a fax receiver, perhaps -- woke up at that moment and grabbed the port away from K95? This can happen because the TAPI interface, which (among other things) prevents this sort of thing, is not yet operational. Until it is, the safer course is to shut down any apps that are hanging on the same port before starting K95. Is the problem reproducible? If so, does the echoing stop at the same place every time? Another possibility involves the ATZ command. Experience has shown that, in many modems, particularly internal ones, the ATZ command can generate spurious interrupts or other special effects. What happens if you skip the ATZ command? Finally, what happens if, instead of CONNECTing and typing commands at the modem, you use the built-in DIAL command (or launch K95 from a Dialer entry)? If that works, then I would say there is a disagreement between the modem's settings and K95's. When you DIAL, K95 issues a series of commands to put the modem into the appropriate modes, to agree with its own settings (flow control, etc), thus automatically eliminating confusion and mismatches. : Oddly, if I run MS-DOS kermit 3.14, and similarly connect with 'C' and : then type 'ATZ' and 'ATDT9,382-2116' as before, it works flawlessly. : MS-DOS Kermit is a lot "closer to the metal" than Kermit 95, which goes through the Microsoft 32-bit drivers and APIs. : What might I be doing wrong? : If none of the suggestions above helps, please contact me directly and we'll figure it out. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 17:45:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA20223 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 17:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA13469 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 17:45:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: two machine "network" using tcp/ip Date: 27 Jan 1996 15:39:14 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4ee623$bmm@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk> <4daegb$j0k@Mercury.mcs.com> <4dpapc$gce@saturn.ball.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com In article <4dpapc$gce@saturn.ball.com>, John Wehner wrote: >> >> . . . With WFW, I don't think >>there is any way to run kermit with the native tcp, but it doesn't >>matter much since . . . . >> >Does this mean I can't run kermit if I am useing WFW? > >I am on a network at work running WFW. >I want to be able to transfer files from other systems I telnet to. Not if you are using WFW's TCP networking at the same time. If you only use ipx or netbeui transports for WFW, you can probably hook the ndis-packet driver shim to your ndis driver and run packet driver apps (only) over tcp. Or, add another ethernet card with a different ip address for packet driver use... However, there are several telnet programs that will work over winsock, including the one that comes with WFW's tcp and the free EWAN. Most systems that allow telnet access will also let you use ftp, logging in with your own name and password, and ws_ftp has a fairly painless interface. If you really feel the need to use the kermit protocol over tcp from WFW, look at the programs in ftp.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/. They don't include scripting, though, which is my primary reason for using kermit so I tend to stick to a unix version of kermit for real work and just telnet there if I happen to be on some other platform. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 18:22:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23690 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:22:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA14413 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:22:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!salliemae!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dacom.co.kr!vyzynz!inteleNET!usenet From: gerry@blue.intele.net (Gerry Jensen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: automatically delete files after download? Date: 26 Jan 1996 21:08:02 GMT Organization: Opti-Med International Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4ebfri$53s@vodka.intele.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blue.intele.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 I am downloading files from Ckermit to MS-Kermit using wildcards (e.g. get *.*). I want each file on the CKermit side to be deleted immediately after it is downloaded. Is there a way to do this? Thanks, Gerry gerry@blue.intele.net From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 18:27:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23950 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA14518 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:26:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dacom.co.kr!nntp.coast.net!oleane!francenet.fr!usenet From: Fauvel Gino Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under AIX 4.1 Date: 26 Jan 1996 23:48:24 GMT Organization: Francenet -- Paris, France Lines: 3 Message-ID: <4ebp88$4bc@chleuasme.francenet.fr> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp53.micronet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: joe@colsys.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:81106 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4561 I want to know if there is a version of kermit for windows and windows 95. my addres is indy3@micronet.fr From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 18:27:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23948 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA14516 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:26:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!oleane!francenet.fr!usenet From: Fauvel Gino Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under AIX 4.1 Date: 26 Jan 1996 23:47:06 GMT Organization: Francenet -- Paris, France Lines: 3 Message-ID: <4ebp5q$4bc@chleuasme.francenet.fr> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp53.micronet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: joe@colsys.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:81105 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4560 I want to know if there is a version of kermit for windows and windows 95. my addres is indy3@micronet.fr From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 18:53:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25866 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA15478 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:53:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: automatically delete files after download? Date: 27 Jan 1996 23:53:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4eedtb$f3k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ebfri$53s@vodka.intele.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ebfri$53s@vodka.intele.net>, Gerry Jensen wrote: >I am downloading files from Ckermit to MS-Kermit using wildcards >(e.g. get *.*). I want each file on the CKermit side to be deleted >immediately after it is downloaded. Is there a way to do this? > The new version, 5A(192), which isn't released yet, lets you do this. The new commands are MOVE and MMOVE, which you would use in place of SEND and MSEND. These commands ensure that the source file is deleted only if it was sent successfully. Version 5A(192) of C-Kermit, in an alpha-test form, can be found in the kermit/test tree on kermit.columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 18:57:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26288 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA15535 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:57:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!usenet From: bsd@panix.com (Brian Downing) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta Date: 27 Jan 1996 08:39:08 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 41 Sender: bsd@panix.com Message-ID: References: <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix.com In-reply-to: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 24 Jan 1996 19:49:48 GMT To: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.13 In article <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: In article , Brian Downing wrote: >I notice that when I take emacs.ini Alt doesn't map to Meta and also >Ctrl-Spacebar doesn't work for marking. These all work for me with >MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit 190 under AIX 4.1. There is a bug in K95 with regard to the default definition of Ctrl-Space. It is currently defined as \32. It should be defined as \KNull. You can correct this by editing your K95CUSTOM.INI file and adding the line: SET KEY \1056 \Knull This fixed my Ctrl-Space marking, thanks! As far as the Meta keys go. I believe they do work. Use the SHOW KEY command to test the definitions for each key. For instance, SHOW KEY followed by Alt-x displays a definition of \{27}x after loading EMACS.INI. This is the definition of M-x. I found the Meta-Alt problem. In the new emacs.ini Alt-y is being set to Meta-x as well as Alt-x. Since the Alt-y line follows it supercedes the definition. ;from emacs.ini set key \2168 \27x ; Alt-x set key \2168 \27y ; Alt-x ;should be set key \2168 \27x ; Alt-x set key \2169 \27y ; Alt-x -- [ Brian Downing ][ If there is a hell ] [ bsd@panix.com ][ its fires wait for them ] [ '95 VFR750F ][ not us. -FZ ] From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 19:51:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01223 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 19:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA16702 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 19:51:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under AIX 4.1 Date: 28 Jan 1996 00:50:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4eeh8h$g9o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ebp5q$4bc@chleuasme.francenet.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:81110 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4564 In article <4ebp5q$4bc@chleuasme.francenet.fr>, Fauvel Gino wrote: >I want to know if there is a version of kermit for windows and windows 95. >my addres is indy3@micronet.fr > Yes, there is a new 32-bit version of Kermit for Windows 95 and NT. For information about it, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html on the Web, or if you don't have a Web browser, see: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/READ.ME - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 20:47:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05960 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 20:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA18154 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 20:47:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl.crl.com!not-for-mail From: randyd@crl.com (Randy Ding) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation in Kermit Date: 27 Jan 1996 12:03:13 -0800 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4ee0e1$an7@crl.crl.com> References: <4eavbb$148b@news.cuny.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com In article <4eavbb$148b@news.cuny.edu>, Jozef Dodziuk wrote: >I am using kermit to connect an old AT via a direct serial line to a computer >running Linux. Everything works fine except that I do not get reversed video >on the screen (monochrome monitor driven by a Hercules card). I suspect that >SET TERMINAL COLOR with some parameters might do the trick, but I do not know >what parameters to use. Any help will be appreciated. I used to use almost that exact setup and had the same problem. At least I thought it was either inverse or underlining in herc-mono. After talking on this group I was told it was a known problem with 3.13. By version 3.14 patch 3 for sure had it fixed. If you are not at this revision, probably try upgrading then... the price is not bad. \:-) Randy. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 27 23:13:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA16282 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 23:13:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA21101 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jan 1996 23:13:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!news.halcyon.com!usenet From: ehat@halcyon.com (Edward Hatfield) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermitting through OS Layers Trouble Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 04:54:46 GMT Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4ecass$g8c@news.halcyon.com> References: <4dn8a7$sk9@news.halcyon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blv-pm0-ip9.halcyon.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 ehat@halcyon.com (Edward Hatfield) wrote: >Howdy All, > I could really use a hand just now (distant applause...) > I'm running cKermit 1.90 on a DG/UX AViiON Box and... >... on a Motorola 88k, which I created for file transfer. > When I invoke Kermit on my local AViiON box and call the remote >system, I'm dropped into a PICK environment .... From there I 'sh' down into >unix and invoke kermit as a server. > Everything seems happy enough, but when I try to do 'remote' commands >or transfer files, nothing happens. I just wanted to post and let any NG Lurkers out there (like myself) to know how this all worked out. I found out by using debug logs comparing a good command and logs made on the PICK.vs.AViiON that the problem lay in 'ttol' when trying to write to file descriptor zero. Also 'echo Hello 1>&0' should have said 'Hello' on the PICK side and didn't. At this point I gave up. BUT Frank didn't (Loud Applause)! Frank suggested 'make clean' to start fresh on the PICK side and then 'make xxxx "KFLAGS=-DNOFDZERO"' to get around the zero file descriptor problem. And it worked GREAT! Thanks for all your help and thanks for Kermit. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 28 15:06:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29094 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 15:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA25833 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 15:06:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: paste in K95 ? Date: 28 Jan 1996 20:05:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4egkv4$p74@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Hua Deng wrote: >I can copy screen text in K95 window and then paste to other program >such as a text editor, but I can not paste to K95 window, using the >toolbar commands on top of the K95 window. Is there a way to do it? >I must have missed something very obvious. There is a bug in Win95's CONAGENT.EXE that prevents the use of the Toolbar Paste with 32-bit Console Apps. Instead use the Shift-Insert (\KPaste) key in K95. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 28 15:38:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01983 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 15:38:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA22900 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 13:01:40 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!scisun!deng From: deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu (Hua Deng) Subject: paste in K95 ? Message-ID: Organization: City College Of New York - Science Division Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 15:30:31 GMT Lines: 6 I can copy screen text in K95 window and then paste to other program such as a text editor, but I can not paste to K95 window, using the toolbar commands on top of the K95 window. Is there a way to do it? I must have missed something very obvious. I tried to do the same in hyperterminal but have data over run problem. Thank you for your help. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 28 20:22:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA21968 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 20:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA03336 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jan 1996 20:22:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!ccnet.com!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: paste in K95 ? Date: 28 Jan 1996 20:35:38 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4egmmq$28d@hustle.rahul.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold Hua Deng (deng@scisun.sci.ccny.cuny.edu) wrote: : I can copy screen text in K95 window and then paste to other program : such as a text editor, but I can not paste to K95 window, using the : toolbar commands on top of the K95 window. Is there a way to do it? If you have set "mouse on" in the keyboard tab for the K-95 dialer, you should be able to double-click the right mouse button to paste clipboard text into a K95 terminal session. I go back and forth from K95 to other apps using the K95 left-button drag to copy to the clipboard, and double-click right to paste text. I avoid using the auto-paste feature of CTRL-left drag, because I sometimes wind up with the wrong text dribbling into the selected area ;-), my fault, not Kermit's, but annoying, none the less. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 29 00:48:26 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12145 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 00:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA09647 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 00:48:23 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news2.aus.sig.net!usenet From: ami@sig.net (Ami Bar-Yadin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95: Caps Lock affects number keys Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 04:55:51 GMT Organization: @sig.net Lines: 16 Message-ID: <310c534e.104050636@news.aus.sig.net> Reply-To: ami@sig.net NNTP-Posting-Host: sanapin-amipc1.aus.sig.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 I use K95 to dial in to my office's computer, and was using an old program which requires it's menu selections to be entered in upper case, so I pressed CAPS LOCK on my keyboard. When I needed to enter some dates, I used the number keys on the main keyboard (not the numeric pad) and got the symbols instead of digits, ie ")!@#(%" instead of "012395". My K95 was version 1.1, so I installed the 1.1.2 patch, but still got the same result. I get the shifted symbols on the Kermit command line too, not just in connect mode. Anybody else or is it just me? Later, -- Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@sig.net) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 29 01:11:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA14694 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 01:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA10363 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 01:11:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.uwa.edu.au!yarrow.wt.com.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!not-for-mail From: cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 hangs Date: 29 Jan 1996 12:37:54 +0800 Organization: Telstra Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4ehiv2$t2n@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> References: <4ee2cv$9s5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In article , unknown wrote: : I just got Kermit 95, version 1.1.2. I followed the installation : instructions, telling the 'setup' program that I had a US Robotics : modem on port 2. I then ran k95.exe, and typed 'C' to talk directly : to the modem. K95 told me to type 'set carrier off' first, so I did. : Then I typed 'C', and then 'ATZ', and the modem responded 'OK', as I : expected. Then I typed 'ATDT9,382-2116', and instead of seeing all : those characters echo on the screen, as I expected, I saw only : 'ATDT9,38'. Nothing appeared after that. Nothing else I typed seemed : to have any effect, until I hit Alt+X, which returned me to the K95 : prompt. Sounds like the same problem I'm having. Once you've returned to the K95 prompt can you enter 'C' again and carry on ok? Not that I have a solution mind, I've tried everything right down to swapping hardware to no avail. Currently I'm back to using 3.14 and waiting on the new GUI version. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 29 02:12:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA19230 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 02:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA11369 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 02:12:05 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 hangs Date: 29 Jan 1996 07:11:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4ehrvr$b34@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ee2cv$9s5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4ehiv2$t2n@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ehiv2$t2n@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au>, Clive Mitchell wrote: >In article , >unknown wrote: > >Sounds like the same problem I'm having. Once you've returned to the K95 >prompt can you enter 'C' again and carry on ok? Not that I have a solution >mind, I've tried everything right down to swapping hardware to no avail. >Currently I'm back to using 3.14 and waiting on the new GUI version. > What type of flow control are you using? Do you have a FIFO UART? there is a known problem with win95 xon/xoff flow control that produces affects close to what you describe. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 29 02:22:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA19933 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 02:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA11493 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 02:22:24 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95: Caps Lock affects number keys Date: 29 Jan 1996 07:22:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4ehsj5$b71@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <310c534e.104050636@news.aus.sig.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <310c534e.104050636@news.aus.sig.net>, Ami Bar-Yadin wrote: >I use K95 to dial in to my office's computer, and was using an old >program which requires it's menu selections to be entered in upper >case, so I pressed CAPS LOCK on my keyboard. When I needed to enter >some dates, I used the number keys on the main keyboard (not the >numeric pad) and got the symbols instead of digits, ie ")!@#(%" >instead of "012395". this is not a bug in K95, but a bug in Microsoft's CONAGENT.EXE. CONAGENT.EXE is the program that allows Win32 console applications to execute under Windows 95. The problem appears to be in the char code mapping algorithms. Unfortunately, this one will have to be fixed by Microsoft. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 29 05:19:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA01957 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 05:19:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA13705 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 05:19:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.ingr.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!usc!ccnet.com!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95: Caps Lock affects number keys Date: 29 Jan 1996 05:54:09 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4ehne1$33b@hustle.rahul.net> References: <310c534e.104050636@news.aus.sig.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@sig.net) wrote: : I use K95 to dial in to my office's computer, and was using an old : program which requires it's menu selections to be entered in upper : case, so I pressed CAPS LOCK on my keyboard. When I needed to enter : some dates, I used the number keys on the main keyboard (not the : numeric pad) and got the symbols instead of digits, ie ")!@#(%" : instead of "012395". >From the file "bugs.doc", in the K95 distribution: .6. Keyboard Scan Codes (M) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 29 11:16:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05988 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:16:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA06942 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:16:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95: Caps Lock affects number keys Date: 29 Jan 1996 16:16:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4eirs7$6op@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <310c534e.104050636@news.aus.sig.net> <4ehne1$33b@hustle.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ehne1$33b@hustle.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: : ... : From the file "bugs.doc", in the K95 distribution: : ... : More seriously, Windows 95 returns returns the shifted version of : non-alphabetic characters when Caps Lock is on; for example, if you : press the "2" key on a USA keyboard with Caps Lock on, you get "@" : instead of "2". This is a Window 95 bug. The same code under Windows : NT returns the correct values. : : This bug doesn't seem to affect Notepad.exe or MSDOS windows. : That's because Notepad is not a console application, and because the DOS window -- which is a console application -- does not read scan codes. There is nothing Kermit, in its present form, can do about this. If Windows gives it the wrong scan code, Kermit can't guess what the right one would have been -- especially when you consider the multiplicity of keyboards in the world: who knows what's underneath the Florin sign on a Flemish keyboard? (Don't answer :-) If the next Microsoft update or release fixes the Caps Lock bug, it will be fixed in Kermit. The same is true of the 132-column glitch and some other glaring problems, the category (M) ones in BUGS.DOC. Meanwhile, we are well into converting Kermit 95 to a full GUI application with no dependence at all on the console subsystem, which will make the Caps Lock and 132-column problems (but not the Xon/Xoff one, which affects ALL Windows apps) go away and, obviously, have lots more benefits too. Watch this space and our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html for news. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 29 20:57:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA12955 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA22242 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 20:57:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!primus.ac.net!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!atha!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!usenet From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSDOS C-Kermit 3.14 Keyboard ScanCodes Date: 29 Jan 1996 16:43:01 -0700 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 105 Sender: vladimir@tees.cs.ualberta.ca Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0 (Frank, if you think this is useful, feel free to put it in the distribution.) MSDOS C-Kermit 3.14 Keyboard ScanCodes for 88-keyboard (decimal). Please send additions (especially 101-keyboard codes) and corrections to vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca. 29 Jan 1996 key norm shft ctrl c+s alt s+a c+a c+s+a --------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- Space 313 825 1337 1849 2361 2873 3385 3897 BackSpace 270 782 127 127 Enter 284 796 1308 1820 Escape 257 769 1281 1793 Tab 271 783 ScrLock 1280 1792 3443 Numeric KeyPad. NumLock swaps the "norm" and "shft" codes. key norm shft ctrl c+s alt s+a c+a c+s+a --------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- Up 328 840 Down 336 848 Left 331 843 1395 1907 Right 333 845 1396 1908 Home 327 839 1399 1911 End 335 847 1397 1909 PgUp 329 841 1412 1924 PgDn 337 849 1398 1910 Ins 338 850 Del 339 851 NumPad+ 334 846 NumPad- 330 842 NumPad5 844 Function Keys key norm shft ctrl c+s alt s+a c+a c+s+a --------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- F1 315 852 1374 1886 2408 2920 3432 3994 F2 316 853 1375 1887 2409 2921 3433 3995 F3 317 854 1376 1888 2410 2922 3434 3996 F4 318 855 1377 1889 2411 2923 3435 3997 F5 319 856 1378 1890 2412 2924 3436 3998 F6 320 857 1379 1891 2413 2925 3437 3999 F7 321 858 1380 1892 2414 2926 3438 4000 F8 322 859 1381 1893 2415 2927 3439 4001 F9 323 860 1382 1894 2416 2928 3440 4002 F10 324 861 1383 1895 2417 2929 3441 4012 Letters. CapsLock swaps the "norm" and "shft" codes. key norm shft ctrl c+s alt s+a c+a c+s+a --------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- a A 97 65 1 1 2334 2846 3358 3870 b B 98 66 2 2 2352 2864 3376 3888 c C 99 67 3 3 2350 2862 3374 3886 d D 100 68 4 4 2336 2848 3360 3872 e E 101 69 5 5 2322 2834 3346 3858 f F 102 70 6 6 2337 2849 3361 3873 g G 103 71 7 7 2338 2850 3362 3874 h H 104 72 8 8 2339 2851 3363 3875 i I 105 73 9 9 2327 2839 3351 3863 j J 106 74 10 10 2340 2852 3364 3876 k K 107 75 11 11 2341 2853 3365 3877 l L 108 76 12 12 2342 2854 3366 3878 m M 109 77 13 13 2354 2866 3378 3890 n N 110 78 14 14 2353 2865 3377 3889 o O 111 79 15 15 2328 2840 3352 3864 p P 112 80 16 16 2329 2841 3353 3865 q Q 113 81 17 17 2320 2832 3344 3856 r R 114 82 18 18 2323 2835 3347 3859 s S 115 83 19 19 2335 2847 3359 3871 t T 116 84 20 20 2324 2836 3348 3860 u U 117 85 21 21 2326 2838 3350 3862 v V 118 86 22 22 2351 2863 3375 3887 w W 119 87 23 23 2321 2833 3345 3857 x X 120 88 24 24 2349 2861 3373 3885 y Y 121 89 25 25 2325 2837 3349 3861 z Z 122 90 26 26 2348 2860 3372 3884 Digits and Punctuation key norm shft ctrl c+s alt s+a c+a c+s+a --------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- 0 ) 48 41 2433 2945 3457 3969 1 ! 49 33 2424 2936 3448 3960 2 @ 50 64 1283 1795 2425 2937 3449 3961 3 # 51 35 2426 2938 3450 3962 4 $ 52 36 2427 2939 3451 3963 5 % 53 37 2428 2940 3452 3964 6 ^ 54 94 30 30 2429 2941 3453 3965 7 & 55 38 2430 2942 3454 3966 8 * 56 42 2431 2943 3455 3967 9 ( 57 40 2432 2944 3456 3968 Punctuation key norm shft ctrl c+s alt s+a c+a c+s+a --------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ' " 39 34 ` ~ 96 126 , < 44 60 . > 46 62 / ? 47 63 ; : 59 58 - _ 45 95 31 31 2434 2946 3458 3970 = + 61 43 2435 2947 3459 3971 [ { 91 123 27 27 \ | 92 124 28 28 ] } 93 125 29 29 From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 29 21:47:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16462 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 21:47:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA23566 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 21:47:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!torn!news.acs.ryerson.ca!news.acs.ryerson.ca!not-for-mail From: jverne@acs.ryerson.ca (CNED/F94) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Reverse video problem Date: 29 Jan 1996 17:16:03 -0500 Organization: Ryerson Polytechnic University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4ejgv3$7qhe@hopper.acs.ryerson.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.117.101.8 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] After I've completed the log-on to one of my servers, and get my UNIX prompt, it's in reverse video. I've made sure that both sides are talkinf the same terminal, and I have no funny things going on in 'set term color' etc... Doing seems to cure it, although on every second odd numbered sunday, programs like tin, and pine pop everything into reverse video again, sometimes with ANSI-type escape codes visible. Any suggestions. My system operators says it's my problem, not his. Jon -- J. D. Verne From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 29 23:46:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA25849 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:46:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA26577 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:46:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!usenet From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta Date: 29 Jan 1996 16:55:38 -0700 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 8 Sender: vladimir@tees.cs.ualberta.ca Message-ID: References: <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca In-reply-to: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 24 Jan 1996 19:49:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0 In article <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > Ctrl-Space. > SET KEY \1056 \Knull 1056? On my keyboard it's 1337! (IBM XT 84 keys, DOS 3.1, MS-Kermit 3.14). And I just posted a list of all the scancodes... I guess it won't be very useful then :-( From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 29 23:46:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA25854 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA26584 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:46:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!usenet From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to disable the ^] help display in MSK 3.14? Date: 29 Jan 1996 16:57:44 -0700 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 4 Sender: vladimir@tees.cs.ualberta.ca Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0 MSK 3.14 shows the help display of 1-letter commands immediately after pressing ^]. The old version did this only after pressing ?. I like the old behavior better. Is there a way to get it? If not, I guess this is a feature request to the development team. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 29 23:47:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA25934 for ; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA26637 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jan 1996 23:47:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!atha!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!usenet From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup modem within KERMIT Date: 29 Jan 1996 16:46:52 -0700 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 10 Sender: vladimir@tees.cs.ualberta.ca Message-ID: References: <4e4m7c$gdv@atlas.tncnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca In-reply-to: MichaelManning's message of 24 Jan 1996 07:13:48 GMT To: rdk@hnc.com X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0 In article <4e4m7c$gdv@atlas.tncnet.com> MichaelManning writes: > Does anyone know how he can tell KERMIT to hang > up the modem?? What the "hangup" ^]h command does is to drop DTR, which should force the modem to also hangup. If this doesn't work, use the ATHANGUP macro from MSKERMIT.INI which sends to the modem +++ ATH0\13 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 30 01:35:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA06177 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 01:35:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA29837 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 01:35:47 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta Date: 30 Jan 1996 06:35:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4eke7r$t4b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Vladimir Alexiev wrote: >In article <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > >> Ctrl-Space. >> SET KEY \1056 \Knull > >1056? On my keyboard it's 1337! (IBM XT 84 keys, DOS 3.1, MS-Kermit 3.14). >And I just posted a list of all the scancodes... I guess it won't be very >useful then :-( My post was in response to a question about Kermit-95 not MS-DOS kermit. No, they don't use the same scancodes for every key combination. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 30 03:16:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA13309 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 03:16:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA01878 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 03:16:15 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!newsfeeder.ust.hk!nntp.hk.super.net!news.iij.ad.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!news.join.ad.jp!news.imnet.ad.jp!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.dacom.co.kr!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!norconnect.no!news.seinf.abb.se!erinews.ericsson.se!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!sunic!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!news.ping.at!usenet From: felix@ping.at Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP ! Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 07:51:57 GMT Organization: ping - Personal InterNet Gate Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4ehulg$3ab@peng.ping.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: p211.ping.at X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Hello friends, I have a real urgent question: WHERE CAN I GET EXECUTABLES OF KERMIT running under a) DOS and b) VMS (Server) please help me soon ! many thanks, felix ps: my email-address is felix@ping.at From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 30 09:11:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12193 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:11:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA23556 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:11:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP ! Date: 30 Jan 1996 13:57:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4el83c$kul@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ehulg$3ab@peng.ping.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ehulg$3ab@peng.ping.at>, wrote: >I have a real urgent question: > >WHERE CAN I GET EXECUTABLES OF KERMIT >running under a) DOS and b) VMS (Server) > If you have a Web browser, point it at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ If not, anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu. MS-DOS Kermit: kermit/archives/msvibm.zip (binary mode). VMS C-Kermit: kermit/f/ckvaaa.hlp (text mode, read it and go from there) Please also purchase the manuals for each version. They are available in both English and German language editions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 30 10:17:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19699 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA26057 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:17:40 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSDOS C-Kermit 3.14 Keyboard ScanCodes Date: 30 Jan 1996 15:17:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4elcpg$9hd@banzai.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Vladimir Alexiev wrote: : (Frank, if you think this is useful, feel free to put it in the : distribution.) : : MSDOS C-Kermit 3.14 Keyboard ScanCodes for 88-keyboard (decimal). : Please send additions (especially 101-keyboard codes) and corrections : to vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca. 29 Jan 1996 : : key norm shft ctrl c+s alt s+a c+a c+s+a : --------- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- : Space 313 825 1337 1849 2361 2873 3385 3897 : Thank you, Vladimir. In fact, this table already appears in "Using MS-DOS Kermit" (and its translations), and it is also online in the archive as kermit/a/msvibm.key, dating from 1989. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 30 17:46:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14804 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:46:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA09022 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 17:45:46 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.helsinki.fi!myntti!tlinden From: tlinden@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tomas Linden) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and 132 character lines? Date: 30 Jan 1996 19:39:13 GMT Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4els51$g6n@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> NNTP-Posting-Host: myntti.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] I'm using a IBM PS2 model 80 which has a normal VGA-card connected to a Digital 15" monitor. My problem is that I cannot get Kermit to show 132 character lines and I don't know where the problem is. Is there a problem with my monitor or is it not possible to have 132 character lines with a VGA card? Tomas Linden ------------ Tomas.Linden@Helsinki.FI From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 30 19:51:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29708 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 19:51:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA12276 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 19:51:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and 132 character lines? Date: 31 Jan 1996 00:51:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4emeds$bvb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4els51$g6n@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4els51$g6n@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI>, Tomas Linden wrote: >I'm using a IBM PS2 model 80 which has a normal VGA-card connected to a >Digital 15" monitor. My problem is that I cannot get Kermit to show 132 >character lines and I don't know where the problem is. Is there a >problem with my monitor or is it not possible to have 132 character >lines with a VGA card? > Normally it is not possible -- it depends on the particular video board. See Section 12.5 of the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for details. In cases where the video adapter does not support 132-column text mode, MS-DOS Kermit can simulate it (somewhat slowly) by going into graphics mode, if you tell it to. This is explained in the same place. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 31 06:07:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA19045 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:07:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA24172 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 06:07:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta Message-ID: <1996Jan30.090609.72706@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Jan 96 09:06:09 MDT References: <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 In article , Vladimir Alexiev writes: > In article <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > >> Ctrl-Space. >> SET KEY \1056 \Knull > > 1056? On my keyboard it's 1337! (IBM XT 84 keys, DOS 3.1, MS-Kermit 3.14). > And I just posted a list of all the scancodes... I guess it won't be very > useful then :-( ---------- Whoa! MS-DOS Kermit deals with keyboards by reading what the Bios reports. It does not have a canned list of every "scan code" in the program. And it's not C Kermit but MS-DOS Kermit (no relation). You have just demonstrated the failure of the canned table approach, and the success of the MS-DOS Kermit approach. Machines can and will differ. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 31 07:50:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA13852 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:50:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA03645 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:50:20 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "safe" set control prefixed values ? Date: 30 Jan 1996 21:09:51 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4em1ev$rg5@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Is there a net.consensus for a good set of values to unprefix when sending binary data over unknown networks? I'm trying this, and having difficulties. Haven't sorted out the variables yet. set con pref 0 1 3 13 17 19 129 141 145 147 -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 31 07:50:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA13853 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA03648 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:50:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.join.ad.jp!news.imnet.ad.jp!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!primus.ac.net!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.uwa.edu.au!yarrow.wt.com.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!not-for-mail From: cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 and PCMCIA modem Date: 31 Jan 1996 08:38:00 +0800 Organization: Telstra Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4emdl8$s79@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I have a Netcomm PCMCIA card modem installed in slot 2 of a Toshiba T4700CT laptop and configured as com2. Windows 95 detects and initialises the modem ok and Hyperterminal, the dial up networking and MS-Kermit 3.14 all work quite happily with it. K95 however doesn't see it and keeps insisting that it "can't open connection: com2" whenever I issue the "set port 2" command. Any suggestions? From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 31 07:50:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA13854 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA03649 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:50:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!ftpbox!mothost!newdelph.rtsg.mot.com!usenet From: "JonScot R. Atwood" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit and binary ports Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:35:00 -0600 Organization: Motorola Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 22 Message-ID: <310E8F04.41C67EA6@cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: oribi.cig.mot.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) I am using kermit to connect to a device that expects binary data. However when I send the data to the device it doesn't seem to get there. I have tried to connect to the same device via a socket connection and it works OK. However, I would like to connect via serial port. This is the first time I have tried to use kermit in this way. I have tried the -i option I have also tried the \X to send hex data They don't seem to help Is kermit the correct tool for talking to a device that expects binary data? Am I doing something wrong? I am using kermit on a unix system talking to a port /dev/portx Please respond via email to atwood@cig.mot.com Thank you for your help, Jon Atwood From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 31 09:31:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07679 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:31:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA12010 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:31:00 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 emacs.ini doesn't map Alt as Meta Date: 31 Jan 1996 14:30:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4enueh$bm3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1996Jan30.090609.72706@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Jan30.090609.72706@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: : In article , : Vladimir Alexiev writes: : >In article <4e62gs$63d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> : > jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: : > : >> Ctrl-Space. : >> SET KEY \1056 \Knull : > : > 1056? On my keyboard it's 1337! (IBM XT 84 keys, DOS 3.1, MS-Kermit 3.14). : > And I just posted a list of all the scancodes... I guess it won't be very : > useful then :-( : ---------- : Whoa! MS-DOS Kermit deals with keyboards by reading what the Bios : reports. It does not have a canned list of every "scan code" in the : program. And it's not C Kermit but MS-DOS Kermit (no relation). : You have just demonstrated the failure of the canned table : approach, and the success of the MS-DOS Kermit approach. Machines can : and will differ. : Joe D. : When we added full key mapping to Kermit 95, we were dismayed to learn that the scan codes reported by Windows were not all the same as those reported to MS-DOS Kermit by the PC BIOS, and we recognize the confusion and inconvenience this is likely to cause. But Joe is right -- there is nothing to be done but swallow the pill. Any attempt to build in a detailed map of Windows scan codes to PC BIOS ones (to maintain compatibility with MS-DOS Kermit) would be futile. There are dozens, probably hundreds of different national and special purpose keyboards in the world, not to mention underlying BIOSes and drivers, and there is no way for the software to know what is printed on each keytop of each kind of keyboard. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 31 09:36:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08375 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA12394 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:36:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "safe" set control prefixed values ? Date: 31 Jan 1996 14:35:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4enuoa$c2a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4em1ev$rg5@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4em1ev$rg5@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bob Shair wrote: >Is there a net.consensus for a good set of values to unprefix >when sending binary data over unknown networks? > >I'm trying this, and having difficulties. Haven't sorted out the >variables yet. > set con pref 0 1 3 13 17 19 129 141 145 147 > Add 255 and maybe 127. Perhaps also 14, 15, 16 (for PADs and the like). Plus whatever is the escape character for any terminal servers you are going through, such as ^^ (30) for Cisco. See the ckermit.upd (ckcker.upd) and/or kermit.upd (mskerm.upd) files for details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 31 09:45:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09364 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA13091 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 09:45:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit and binary ports Date: 31 Jan 1996 14:44:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4env9b$cnq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <310E8F04.41C67EA6@cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <310E8F04.41C67EA6@cig.mot.com>, JonScot R. Atwood wrote: : I am using kermit... : Which Kermit program? Which version? On what kind of computer? With what operating system? : ... to connect to a device that expects : binary data. However when I send the data to the device : it doesn't seem to get there. I have tried to connect : to the same device via a socket connection and it works : OK. However, I would like to connect via serial port. : This is the first time I have tried to use kermit in : this way. : I have tried the -i option : I have also tried the \X to send hex data : They don't seem to help : : Is kermit the correct tool for talking to a device : that expects binary data? : : Am I doing something wrong? : I am sure that if you picked up the manual, you would easily figure out how to do what you want. The method depends on whether the device you are talking to supports Kermit protocol, and the nature of the connection. Is it transparent? Does it support any kind of flow control? If so, what kind? etc etc. The final answer is yes, Kermit is the tool you need, but it is not a simple tool because so many people need to use it to do so many different things, so you have to read about it. Assuming you are talking about C-Kermit on UNIX, the current version is 5A(190) and the manual is "Using C-Kermit". Details about each on our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 31 11:35:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22541 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:35:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA16637 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:35:12 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!usc!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation in Kermit Message-ID: <1996Jan30.090915.72708@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Jan 96 09:09:15 MDT References: <4eavbb$148b@news.cuny.edu> <1996Jan26.112054.72415@cc.usu.edu> <4ebod9$mnm@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 In article <4ebod9$mnm@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, billy@mix.com writes: > Joe Doupnik writes: > >> 7 DECAWM Autowrap on off > > How about providing some means to lock this on (or off)? > > Not that I don't have the same trouble with real DEC terminals > getting their wrap mode zapped by various Unix systems or > set terminal /inquire on DEC systems, but this would sure be > a handy addition to MSK. ---------------- Why not leave it as DEC intended? SET TERM/INQ doesn't zap it. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 31 11:37:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22761 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA16718 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:37:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!usc!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to disable the ^] help display in MSK 3.14? Message-ID: <1996Jan30.090713.72707@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Jan 96 09:07:12 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 8 In article , Vladimir Alexiev writes: > MSK 3.14 shows the help display of 1-letter commands immediately after > pressing ^]. The old version did this only after pressing ?. I like the old > behavior better. Is there a way to get it? If not, I guess this is a > feature request to the development team. ------------ The old approach is gone forever. Sorry. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 31 18:25:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12504 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:25:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA27661 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 18:24:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!dimensional.com!winternet.com!guitar.sound.net!echo!msp From: msp@echo.sound.net (Mark Petrovic) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit connects, then Solaris 2.4 ttymon dies Date: 31 Jan 1996 16:56:09 GMT Organization: Sound Advice Limited's Internet Access for KC Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4eo6v9$c8e@guitar.sound.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: echo.sound.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I have a bidirectional port monitor running on /dev/term/a under Solaris 2.4 that dies when kermit connects on an outbound call. Although kermit functions fine thereafter, users cannot subsequently dialin on the affected port. Specifically, I see a cascade of messages in /var/saf/zsmon/log that an open on /dev/term/a has failed, and that ttymon is respawning too rapidly. I see no such behavior if I, say, use tip to direct-dial the outbound call. What exactly is happening in this case and what can I do to correct the problem? Thank you. Mark S. Petrovic msp@sound.net From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 31 23:12:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10112 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 23:12:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA04767 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jan 1996 23:12:26 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.jersey.net!pipper164.jersey.net!swenzler From: swenzler@zeus.jersey.net (Stephen Wenzler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: True Windows version Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:11:54 Organization: InterActive Network - Serving SNJ - SLIP/PPP/SHELL Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pipper164.jersey.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Hello, I have been looking for a true Windows 3.x Kermit/Super Kermit protocol engine so I can use it with a Windows communication program? Also I'm wondering if there is a auto downloading trigger sequences so I can properly configures a Windows comm program that have 'smart' downloading feature. Thank you very much!! P.S. I've tried DOS version under Telix for DOS and it works so well over Telnet connections at quite fast pace. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 00:15:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA15361 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:15:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA06628 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:15:17 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!bingsun2-gw!br00031 From: br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Printing with C-kermit Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:15:53 -0500 Organization: Binghamton University, Binghamton, NY Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.226.1.20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: br00031@bingsun2-gw This may not actually be a kermit question, but here goes. Recently I installed linux on my pc. On my university account I use the pine mailer. Pine has a print to attached ansi printer command. I have used this successfully in dos/windows with mskermit. When I try to print while connected via C-Kermit in linux the text is just scrolled on the screen. "lpr filename" prints fine, so I know the printer is connected and setup. I thought it might be a problem with C-Kermit. If it is please tell me how I fix it. Thank you From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 00:28:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA16207 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:28:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA07141 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 00:28:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news4.ner.bbnplanet.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!forest!mrichich From: mrichich@forest.drew.edu (Mike Richichi, Systems Manager) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1 Subject: MS Kermit 3.14 and Digital Unix 3.2 coexistence Message-ID: <1996Jan31.120633.134971@forest> Date: 31 Jan 96 12:06:33 EST Organization: Drew U. Academic Computer Center Lines: 24 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4599 comp.unix.osf.osf1:14294 We're getting a weird interaction between Kermit 3.13 and 3.14 and our newly installed Digital Unix 3.2C system. First, if you telnet to the system, it spews out "Bad termcap entry" twice on the screen before giving you the "login:" prompt. This happens no matter what kind of host or PC you're telnetting from. When you log in, the "Bad termcap entry" message is repeated on login (I assume in the tset -I -Q) and the TERM variable is blank. Secondly, no matter how you connect to the machine, doing a more or a man causes the status line to be overwritten with more's prompt (usually an inverse video "stdin") each page. I did a "set term debug", and Dig. Unix is addressing the 25th line, sure enough. A "stty rows 24" doesn't fix the problem either, but a "stty rows 23" does. The "bad termcap entry" message really annoys me, the more thing at least has a workaround, but I still think that if Unix thinks your display is 24 lines it shouldn't be writing to the 25th. Does anyone know what's going on for the first problem, and possibly a more elegant workaround for the second? --Mike From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 01:24:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA22654 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 01:24:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA08424 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 01:24:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!news.uoregon.edu!raffles.technet.sg!usenet From: Robert Ong Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14, MS-Windows, Micro-Vax, ALL-IN-1 Date: 30 Jan 1996 10:21:50 GMT Organization: Singapore MRT Ltd Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4ekrfu$e0v@raffles.technet.sg> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn32.ppp.pacific.net.sg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2 (Windows; I; 16bit) Hi everyone, We are running MS-Kermit to connect to our Micro-Vaxes running VMS. Kermit is used to run ALL-IN-1 with the VMS WordPerfect 5.0 as the default wordprocessor. I have the old ALLIN1.INI file that was distributed with MS-Kermit 3.0. It still works but I now have a new problem: In MS-DOS: We execute Kermit with the -F .INI to connect to the Vax through TCP/IP. All works well, function keys A-OK! In Windows: We execute Kermit with the -f WIN.INI to connect to the Vax through TCP/IP. The function keys do not work. The terminalS (or whatever is is now...I don't remember) is all initialised already. BTW, Kermit is running in a smaller Window. Did we miss something? Where should I begin checking? TIA Robert From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 04:08:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA04637 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 04:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA11163 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 04:08:49 -0500 (EST) Control: cancel Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.dacom.co.kr!vyzynz!xmission!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!waldorf.csc.calpoly.edu!zimmer!news From: stevec@CSUFresno.EDU (Steve Cosner) Subject: cmsg cancel Message-ID: Originator: stevec@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU Sender: news@CSUFresno.EDU Nntp-Posting-Host: zimmer.csufresno.edu Organization: CSU Fresno References: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 22:09:57 GMT Lines: 1 was cancelled from within trn. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 04:56:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA08038 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 04:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA11914 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 04:56:37 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!darwin.sura.net!gaia.ns.utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit for OS/2 with IBM DSP/MWAVE modem ? Date: 1 Feb 1996 04:58:24 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4eph9g$b3m@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hi, I was wondering whether anybody has had (good/bad) experiences with the IBM Multimedia modem (using some Mwave DSP chip)? It's supposed to do the hayes set, mnp5, v42bis and all that, but who knows. I consider buying a 14.4 one hoping I could upgrade it to 28.8 at some point but I'd like to knwo whether it likes C-kermit and vice versa. Cheers! Stefan -- =============================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ =============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 08:09:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA18992 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 08:09:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA27177 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 08:08:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit for OS/2 with IBM DSP/MWAVE modem ? Date: 1 Feb 1996 13:08:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4eqe0k$qg6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4eph9g$b3m@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4eph9g$b3m@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, Deutscher wrote: > >Hi, > > I was wondering whether anybody has had (good/bad) experiences with the >IBM Multimedia modem (using some Mwave DSP chip)? >It's supposed to do the hayes set, mnp5, v42bis and all that, but who knows. >I consider buying a 14.4 one hoping I could upgrade it to 28.8 at some point >but I'd like to knwo whether it likes C-kermit and vice versa. I haven't used or seen the Multimedia Modem (PCMCIA). But C-Kermit works fine with the Mwave based modems built into the Thinkpad computers. OS/2 handles PCMCIA devices really well, so my expectations is that you would not have any difficulties. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 10:24:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12425 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA16974 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:24:48 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14, MS-Windows, Micro-Vax, ALL-IN-1 Date: 1 Feb 1996 15:24:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4eqlv9$gia@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ekrfu$e0v@raffles.technet.sg> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ekrfu$e0v@raffles.technet.sg>, Robert Ong wrote: : We are running MS-Kermit ... : What version? The current version is 3.14. : ... to connect to our Micro-Vaxes running VMS. : Kermit is used to run ALL-IN-1 with the VMS WordPerfect 5.0 as the : default wordprocessor. I have the old ALLIN1.INI file that was : distributed with MS-Kermit 3.0. It still works but I now have a new : problem: : : In MS-DOS: We execute Kermit with the -F .INI to connect : to the Vax through TCP/IP. All works well, function : keys A-OK! : : In Windows: We execute Kermit with the -f WIN.INI to connect : to the Vax through TCP/IP. The function keys do not : work. The terminalS (or whatever is is now...I don't : remember) is all initialised already. BTW, Kermit is : running in a smaller Window. : : Did we miss something? Where should I begin checking? : Well, since you are using different initialization files in the two cases, that is the most likely explanation for the different behavior. There is nothing about Windows that should affect MS-DOS Kermit's handling of function keys. If you are using MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 with the new APC mechanism to accomplish host-directed keymap switching -- as set up, for example, in the latest WordPerfect Kermit INI files -- then make sure your Kermit says "set terminal apc on". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 10:32:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13690 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:32:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA17121 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:32:37 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: True Windows version Date: 1 Feb 1996 15:32:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4eqme8$gmu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Stephen Wenzler wrote: : Hello, I have been looking for a true Windows 3.x Kermit/Super Kermit : protocol... : Please don't say "Super Kermit". It's just Kermit. Somebody somewhere made up the term "Super Kermit" but it does not apply to anything. All modern Columbia University Kermits are "super" in the sense that they incorporates long packets AND sliding windows AND locking shifts AND control-character unprefixing AND recovery, etc etc. : ... engine so I can use it with a Windows communication program? Also I'm : wondering if there is a auto downloading trigger sequences so I can : properly configures a Windows comm program that have 'smart' downloading : feature. I've tried DOS version under Telix for DOS and it works so well : over Telnet connections at quite fast pace. : Then you've already got what you need. The latest version is 3.14 and it works fine under DOS or Windows 3.x, and it is the only Kermit software we recommend or support for Windows 3.x. For autodownload, read section 10 of the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 10:36:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14355 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA17234 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:36:30 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit connects, then Solaris 2.4 ttymon dies Date: 1 Feb 1996 15:36:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4eqml9$gqc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4eo6v9$c8e@guitar.sound.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4eo6v9$c8e@guitar.sound.net>, Mark Petrovic wrote: : I have a bidirectional port monitor running on /dev/term/a under Solaris : 2.4 that dies when kermit connects on an outbound call. Although kermit : functions fine thereafter, users cannot subsequently dialin on the : affected port. Specifically, I see a cascade of messages in : /var/saf/zsmon/log that an open on /dev/term/a has failed, and that : ttymon is respawning too rapidly. I see no such behavior if I, say, use : tip to direct-dial the outbound call. : : What exactly is happening in this case and what can I do to correct the : problem? : Assuming you have C-Kermit 5A(190), which is the latest release for Solaris, please read Section 3.7 of the ckuker.bwr file that comes with C-Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 10:43:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15000 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA17380 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:42:56 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1 Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and Digital Unix 3.2 coexistence Date: 1 Feb 1996 15:42:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4eqn1p$gv0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Jan31.120633.134971@forest> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4606 comp.unix.osf.osf1:14301 In article <1996Jan31.120633.134971@forest>, Mike Richichi, Systems Manager wrote: : We're getting a weird interaction between Kermit 3.13 and 3.14 and our : newly installed Digital Unix 3.2C system. : : First, if you telnet to the system, it spews out "Bad termcap entry" : twice on the screen before giving you the "login:" prompt. This happens : no matter what kind of host or PC you're telnetting from. When you log : in, the "Bad termcap entry" message is repeated on login (I assume in : the tset -I -Q) and the TERM variable is blank. : When you TELNET from Kermit, Kermit negotiates the ability to send its terminal type to the Telnet server, and then if the Telnet server asks for the terminal type, Kermit sends it. Kermit's default terminal type is VT320. Some systems don't have a termcap entry for VT320. So either change Kermit's terminal type or add a VT320 termcap entry. You can also instruct Kermit to "lie" about its terminal type by using the "set telnet term-type" command. : Secondly, no matter how you connect to the machine, doing a more or a : man causes the status line to be overwritten with more's prompt (usually : an inverse video "stdin") each page. I did a "set term debug", and : Dig. Unix is addressing the 25th line, sure enough. A "stty rows 24" : doesn't fix the problem either, but a "stty rows 23" does. : This is a new feature of Digital UNIX, and it is a strange one considering Digital is also the original designer and maker of the VT terminal series. Of course all that is long forgotten. They think you are using a xterm or something. : The "bad termcap entry" message really annoys me, the more thing at : least has a workaround, but I still think that if Unix thinks your : display is 24 lines it shouldn't be writing to the 25th. : Exactly. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 10:55:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16327 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA17611 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:55:01 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Printing with C-kermit Date: 1 Feb 1996 15:54:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-ID: <4eqnoe$h67@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: >This may not actually be a kermit question, but here goes. Recently I >installed linux on my pc. On my university account I use the pine mailer. >Pine has a print to attached ansi printer command. I have used this >successfully in dos/windows with mskermit. When I try to print while >connected via C-Kermit in linux the text is just scrolled on the screen. >"lpr filename" prints fine, so I know the printer is connected and setup. >I thought it might be a problem with C-Kermit. If it is please tell me >how I fix it. Thank you > UNIX (including Linux) C-Kermit does not include a terminal emulator. The terminal emulation is being done by your console window, xterm window, or whatever other kind of window you are running Kermit in. Evidently it does not support the printer-related escape sequences. Maybe you can find another VT emulation window for Linux that does. The way to fix it in Kermit is a bit complicated. Off the top of my head, without any debugging or testing (which I'll leave to you): 1. Make sure you have C-Kermit 5A(190), which is the current version. Make sure there is also a copy of it on the same computer that Pine is running on. 2. Tell your copy of Kermit (perhaps in your init file) to "set terminal apc on" (without the quotes). 3. I think (but I'm not sure) that Pine lets you configure the command to use for printing. Then it would be: kermit -C "apc server, remote print xxx, finish" (WITH the quotes), where xxx is the filename. Hmmm... There is a flaw in this, namely that it's not a file, but a message, and is probably being piped through standard i/o. But there is no way to tell C-Kermit's "remote print" command to read from standard input. So if you could configure Pine to give a series of commands like this for printing: kermit -C "apc server, remote print xxx, finish" this should achieve the desired effect. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 18:40:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13347 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:40:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA00914 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:40:24 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!fish.pond.com!usenet From: "Joseph B. Gill" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help dialing into UNIX (Sun OS) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 1996 09:05:25 -0500 Organization: GMIS, Inc. Lines: 60 Message-ID: <3110C8A5.6527@gmis.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pacific-12.vf.pond.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (Win16; I) Hello, Has anyone been successful dialing into a Sun OS system? I'v been trying with mixed result. I've tried the example in the USING C-KERMIT manual with; set terminal byte 7 set command byte 7 set parity none set handshake none set flow xon/xoff set case on I can connect to the UNIX machine and I get to the login prompt and enter my username but at that point it just waits at the Password: prompt. Any help would be greatly appriciated. Thanks, Joe Gill E-mail: gilljb@gmis.com DEFINE \%p T, ; Dialing prefix - my modem requires the T as in ATDT comment DEFINE \%p T9, DEFINE \%n 5551212 ; ISP dial-in number - Phl DEFINE \%m HAYES ; Modem type DEFINE \%l LTA4: ; Serial line DEFINE \%u myusername ; Username DEFINE \%x mypassword ; Password set modem \%m set line \%l set speed 2400 set terminal byte 7 set command byte 7 set handshake none set flow xon/xoff :Redial set dial display on set dial speed-matching on set case on dial \%p\%n input 10 wanda login: ; Wait for login prompt from FishNet if success goto dologin hangup pause 10 goto Redial :dologin output \%u\13 ; Send user id input 5 Password: ; Get password prompt if fail goto dologin output \%x\13 ; Send password define \%x junk ; Erase password pause 5 output who\13 output ls\13 output logout\13 pause 2 hangup exit From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 20:07:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA22313 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA03254 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:07:16 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help dialing into UNIX (Sun OS) Date: 2 Feb 1996 01:07:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4ero3n$35e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3110C8A5.6527@gmis.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3110C8A5.6527@gmis.com>, Joseph B. Gill wrote: : Has anyone been successful dialing into a Sun OS system? I'v been : trying with mixed result. I've tried the example in the USING C-KERMIT : manual with; : ... : I can connect to the UNIX machine and I get to the login prompt : and enter my username but at that point it just waits at the Password: : prompt. : ... : dial \%p\%n : First of all, you should have an IF SUCCESS or IF FAILURE command here, in case the call was not successful. : input 10 wanda login: ; Wait for login prompt from FishNet : ... : output \%u\13 ; Send user id : input 5 Password: ; Get password prompt if fail goto dologin : You also need an IF SUCCESS or IF FAILURE command here, to catch the case where the Password: prompt does not arrive in time. If it succeeds, you should wait a second before sending the password. UNIX flushes its typeahead buffer after issuing the Password: prompt but before reading the password (as a security measure), and so if you send the password too soon, it might be decapitated or lost. So insert: pause 1 here. : output \%x\13 ; Send password : define \%x junk ; Erase password pause 5 That should do it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 20:51:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA26208 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:51:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA04152 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:51:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news.microsoft.com!news From: erich@microsoft.com (erich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: k95 crashes on NT "Shell Update Release" Date: 31 Jan 1996 19:36:14 -0800 Organization: Microsoft Corporation Lines: 41 Sender: erich@ERICH4.microsoft.com Message-ID: <20ofwwcx.fsf@ERICH4.microsoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 157.55.93.22 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 On x86 NT build 1234 (the so-called "Shell Update Release" beta), when I run Kermit 95 it dies immediately -- and doesn't give a particularly helpful stack trace, either :-( Here's all I know: E:\k95>cdb -g k95 Microsoft(R) Windows NT Debugger Version 3.51 (C) 1991-1995 Microsoft Corp. CommandLine: k95 Symbol search path is: E:\1181FRE.WKS Executing E:\k95\k95.ini for WIN32... ?No files match - E:/k95/PHONES/ckermit.kdd ?No files match - E:/k95/PHONES/ckermit.knd Good Evening, smile! NTSD: exception number c0000008 NTSD: exception number c0000008 NTSD: !!! second chance !!! eax=c0000008 ebx=00000001 ecx=00002c01 edx=ffffffff esi=00000000 edi=000000d4 eip=77f74488 esp=0012fee8 ebp=0012ff38 iopl=0 nv up ei pl nz na po nc cs=001b ss=0023 ds=0023 es=0023 fs=0038 gs=0000 efl=00000206 ss:0023:0012fee8=c0000008 *** WARNING: symbols checksum is wrong 0x00062261 0x0005e382 for e:\1181fre.wks\symbols\dll\ntdll.dbg 77f74488 8b0424 mov eax,[esp] 0:000> *** WARNING: symbols checksum is wrong 0x0005da38 0x00069b58 for e:\1181fre.wks\symbols\dll\kernel32.dbg *** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for !KiRaiseUserExceptionDispatcher+0x38: ChildEBP RetAddr 0012ff38 77f67a2f ntdll!KiRaiseUserExceptionDispatcher+0x38 0012ffc0 77f1badd ntdll!ZwClose+0xb 0012ff60 004016c4 kernel32!BaseProcessStart+0x40 0012ff80 0046e437 0x4016c4 0012ffc0 77f1badd 0x46e437 0012fff0 00000000 kernel32!BaseProcessStart+0x40 0:000> quit: E:\k95> -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Hanchrow -- erich@microsoft.com pgp fingerprint: c6 c7 de 59 1d e3 95 44 bc 40 25 61 af b1 90 b7 From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 1 23:52:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10169 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 23:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA09039 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Feb 1996 23:52:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95 crashes on NT "Shell Update Release" Date: 2 Feb 1996 04:52:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4es59n$8q9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <20ofwwcx.fsf@ERICH4.microsoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <20ofwwcx.fsf@ERICH4.microsoft.com>, erich wrote: >On x86 NT build 1234 (the so-called "Shell Update Release" beta), when >I run Kermit 95 it dies immediately -- and doesn't give a particularly >helpful stack trace, either :-( Excuse me. But when you refer to "Shell Update Release" beta, are you referring to the Shell Update that was placed on the Internet and The Developer's Network CD last August? If so, I would strongly suggest you remove it and apply Service Pack 3 before reapplying it. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 2 02:22:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA23715 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA12853 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 02:22:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.exodus.net!aimnet.com!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Win3x--K95? Date: 1 Feb 1996 20:49:37 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4er911$ml3@hustle.rahul.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Steve Cosner (stevec@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU) wrote: : My home setup requires me to connect to a Sun Unix server. K3.1 works : pretty well except backspace won't delete backwards. I know I can : redefine the backspace key, but is there a standard setup somewhere : for this type of connection? I connect to a SunOS 4.1.3 system with Kermit of various flavors. MSKermit 3.14, Unix C-Kermit 190, Kermit-95 1.2 My choice is to map the backspace key, although I could have done an stty on the UNIX side to accomplish the same task. I also map the function keys that exist on my PC keyboard, although they don't exist on a real vt100, and therefore don't exist in the default Kermit-vt100. >From my mskermit.ini (for MSKermit 3.14, if that matters (?)) define UKEY1 set key clear,set key \270 \008,set key \782 \008; BackSpace do UKEY1 ; to match (ESIX 4.0.4) vt100 extended function keys to PC keyboard. ; f5 f6 f7 f8 f9 f10 define UKEY2 set key \319 \27Ot, set key \320 \27Ou, set key \321 \027Ov, set key \322 \027Ol, set key \323 \027Ow, set key \324 \027Ox do UKEY2 ; -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 2 07:02:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03890 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 07:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA23567 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 07:02:34 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!omni2.voicenet.com!not-for-mail From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Is sixel vesa 16 colors? Date: 1 Feb 1996 17:57:18 -0500 Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4ergge$leo@omni2.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: omni2.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I have an svga card but only have a vga monitor, so I have only been able to use vga tek/vt340 graphics. It seems that if the allowable <= 256 colors are defined at the beginning of a sixel file they are mapped to the 16 predefined colors. As is the case with ega resolution. I believe this would also be the case for vesa? I have been able to convert gifs to sixel files using portable bit map utilities. If the images use simple colors they are fine but photographs using many and subtle colors are not rendered well in sixteen colors. I can dither the images but the results are not great. ~ 800 x 600 and only 16 colors - is this correct? Thanks cmosley From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 2 07:02:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03895 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 07:02:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA23570 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 07:02:35 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!brutus.bright.net!news.win.bright.net!news.jersey.net!pipper167.jersey.net!swenzler From: swenzler@zeus.jersey.net (Stephen Wenzler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Is there a true Windows 3.x.... Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 22:19:18 Organization: InterActive Network - Serving SNJ - SLIP/PPP/SHELL Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pipper167.jersey.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Hey! Is there a true Windows 3.x version of kermit at work so I may able to use it as a protocol engine for Windows communication program since I tried to use MS Kermit but it won't work since Windows flashed warning message that it can't let one program share the same com port also I tried to turn off the warning and it didn't work at all! From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 2 11:30:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15089 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:30:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA19317 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:30:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1 Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and Digital Unix 3.2 coexistence Message-ID: <1996Jan31.204620.72899@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Jan 96 20:46:20 MDT References: <1996Jan31.120633.134971@forest> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4615 comp.unix.osf.osf1:14330 In article <1996Jan31.120633.134971@forest>, mrichich@forest.drew.edu (Mike Richichi, Systems Manager) writes: > We're getting a weird interaction between Kermit 3.13 and 3.14 and our > newly installed Digital Unix 3.2C system. > > First, if you telnet to the system, it spews out "Bad termcap entry" twice > on the screen before giving you the "login:" prompt. This happens no > matter what kind of host or PC you're telnetting from. When you log in, > the "Bad termcap entry" message is repeated on login (I assume in the tset > -I -Q) and the TERM variable is blank. Appears to be a bad termcap/terminfo system. You can see what MSK sends to the host if asked to identify a terminal type, by SET TCP DEBUG ON. It's nominally the string VT320 in upper case. With MSK 3.14 you can change that with SET TCP TERM-TYPE string. Best to fix the Unix box. > Secondly, no matter how you connect to the machine, doing a more or a man > causes the status line to be overwritten with more's prompt (usually an > inverse video "stdin") each page. I did a "set term debug", and Dig. Unix > is addressing the 25th line, sure enough. A "stty rows 24" doesn't fix > the problem either, but a "stty rows 23" does. It's the TERM item again. Apparently your machine has DECterm on the brain, the X window system thingy, and DEC broke emulation of the real hardware in providing 25 line support. My UnixWare machine has none of these problems. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 2 11:32:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15320 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:32:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA19358 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:32:22 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci3!imci5!suck-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.mindspring.com!matlock.mindspring.com!pecanpi!dlane From: dlane@pecanpi.atl.ga.us (David Lane) Subject: Re: Linux-Ckermit-Pine not printing Organization: Pecanpi, Doraville, GA, USA Message-ID: References: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 01:04:42 GMT Lines: 43 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:98443 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4616 In article , wrote: >I connect via modem to my suns account using C-Kermit on Debian-Linux. >The mail reader I use is Pine. Pine has the ability to print my mail on >the printer attached to my pc at home. I have done this hundreds of >times with mskermit in dos/windows. This is not working in linux, with >c-kermit. When I issue the print command in pine the text is scrolled >across the screen, but is not sent to the printer. lpr filename works >fine so, I believe the printer is setup correctly. Does anyone have >any suggestion on how to make the "print to attached ansi" capabilty >work in this setup. Thank you > What's happening is that pine is sending the "Start Printing on Attached Printer" command, your mail, then the "Stop Printing on Attached Printer" command. These commands are defined to the terminal or emulator. MS-Kermit includes terminal emulation, whereas C-Kermit does not--it depends on the terminal support of either the Linux console device, or your Xterm, or whatever you are using for your Linux login session. For example, I could use a real terminal connected to a serial port (modem or direct connect) to my Linux box, dial from there into a site, say my Sun at work, and ask pine to print my mail. C-Kermit would pass the printing commands transparently and my mail would print on the printer attached to my terminal, not the printer attached to my Linux box. This is how it's supposed to work; I know it's not what you're asking for. I looked though the C-Kermit book [Using C-Kermit by Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, Digital Press, ISBN 1-55558-108-0], and I didn't find anything much more than that. The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is saving the mail to a file, downloading it, and printing it, or turning on the session log, telling pine to print it, turning off the session log, editing the log, etc. None of these strike me as particularly nice. I've added comp.protocols.kermit.misc to the newsgroup line, so more knowledgeable parties can help out. David. -- David Lane dlane@pecanpi.atl.ga.us lane@columbia.edu 76427.161@compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 2 12:23:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21336 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:23:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20597 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:23:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and 132 character lines? Message-ID: <1996Jan31.094814.72816@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Jan 96 09:48:14 MDT References: <4els51$g6n@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 In article <4els51$g6n@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI>, tlinden@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tomas Linden) writes: > I'm using a IBM PS2 model 80 which has a normal VGA-card connected to a > Digital 15" monitor. My problem is that I cannot get Kermit to show 132 > character lines and I don't know where the problem is. Is there a > problem with my monitor or is it not possible to have 132 character > lines with a VGA card? -------- It's your IBM display adapter. If you check its docs I think you will find no mention of 132 column modes. You can replace the board cheaply these days, or you can use the horizontal scrolling capability of MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 (described in the release notes, keyboard verbs \Klfpage, \Klfone, \Krtpage, \Krtone). SET TERM HORIZONTAL-SCROLL is available too. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 2 16:21:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18005 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:21:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA27101 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:21:51 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!EU.net!ieunet!login.Ieunet.ie!ebairead From: ebairead@login.ieunet.ie (Eoin Bairead) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: What am I doing wrong !! Date: 2 Feb 1996 17:25:19 GMT Organization: Ieunet Limited Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4ethdv$et8@news.Ieunet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.ieunet.ie X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I'm doing sumthin stoopid... I want a neat way of logging on to a VAX from a PC I have a nice PC program that prompts for Username & password then I have a batch file: X.BAT which says kermit -f myfile.ini,define \%%1 %1, define \%%2 %2 in myfile.ini I have: input 10 Username: output \%1\13 input 5 Password: output \%2\13 I then say: X BLOGGS SECRET and it falls over with nothing being output. is what I'm doing even a proper way of logging on ? Eoin Bairéad Dublin, Ireland From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 2 19:33:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA07772 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 19:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA02021 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 19:33:20 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!tygra!rabbit From: rabbit@tygra.Michigan.COM (Roger Rabbit) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to get The MORTIMER Story Message-ID: <14522@tygra.Michigan.COM> Date: 2 Feb 96 11:57:15 GMT Organization: Shut Up Blair Lines: 38 This posting was made automatically by machine. It will appear once every minute or so. Direct any questions to rabbit@Buster.Michigan.COM ------- The MORTIMER story can be retreived from a special archive server (the Mort-Server) To request a part of the MORTIMER story, send mail to one of the addresses below. Put your request on the Subject: line of your message. Requests are can be the in the following form: ALL - (in upper case) will cause the entire story to be sent to you. n - (where n is an integer) will cause part one to be sent n,m... - (where n and m, etc are integers) will cause parts n, m and so forth, to be sent. You may send your request to any of the following addresses: MORTIMER@Buster.Michigan.COM MORTIMER@Babs.Michigan.COM MORTIMER@Plucky.Michigan.COM MORTIMER@Hamton.Michigan.COM MORTIMER@McLoon.Michigan.COM MORTIMER@Elmyra.Michigan.COM If you send off a request and don't get a response within 5 days, send e-mail to the sysop here (NOT ME!!). 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Write: Rabbits for a Better >>> Hutch, Roscommon, MI 48653 E-MAIL: rabbit@Buster.Michigan.COM From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 2 20:37:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13237 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 20:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA03419 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 20:37:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news4.ner.bbnplanet.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!forest!mrichich From: mrichich@forest.drew.edu (Mike Richichi, Systems Manager) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1 Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and Digital Unix 3.2 coexistence Message-ID: <1996Feb2.091610.135105@forest> Date: 2 Feb 96 09:16:10 EST References: <1996Jan31.120633.134971@forest> <4eqn1p$gv0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Drew U. Academic Computer Center Lines: 37 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4620 comp.unix.osf.osf1:14336 In article <4eqn1p$gv0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <1996Jan31.120633.134971@forest>, > Mike Richichi, Systems Manager wrote: > When you TELNET from Kermit, Kermit negotiates the ability to send its > terminal type to the Telnet server, and then if the Telnet server asks > for the terminal type, Kermit sends it. Kermit's default terminal type is > VT320. Some systems don't have a termcap entry for VT320. So either > change Kermit's terminal type or add a VT320 termcap entry. > > You can also instruct Kermit to "lie" about its terminal type by using the > "set telnet term-type" command. This I fixed by modifying the termcap file on the Unix system. > [discussion about Digital UNIX more writing explicitly to the 25th line > deleted] > > This is a new feature of Digital UNIX, and it is a strange one considering > Digital is also the original designer and maker of the VT terminal series. > Of course all that is long forgotten. They think you are using a xterm > or something. > > : The "bad termcap entry" message really annoys me, the more thing at > : least has a workaround, but I still think that if Unix thinks your > : display is 24 lines it shouldn't be writing to the 25th. > : > Exactly. > > - Frank Well, it's a crappy feature, and a version of more from OSF/1 2.0 seems to fix it rather nicely... I think I will report it to Digital as a bug. If I tell you my terminal is 24 lines, I'm not telling you that so you can try writing to the 25th line. Duh. --Mike From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 2 21:23:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17061 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 21:23:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA04438 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 21:23:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!ieunet!login.Ieunet.ie!ebairead From: ebairead@login.ieunet.ie (Eoin Bairead) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PIF settings for kermit 3.14 Date: 2 Feb 1996 15:41:13 GMT Organization: Ieunet Limited Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4etbap$cas@news.Ieunet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: login.ieunet.ie X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] hi I have a (DOS) .INI file which allows a user log on to a mainframe (a VAX) and automatically run a procedure which transfers a file down to the PC. I'd like to know the optimal PIF settings to run the task in Windows, preferably NOT as a maximised window. And while we're at it - is there a NEAT way of getting user response in a Windows environment, for things like passwords & usernames. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 3 03:54:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA17182 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 03:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA12855 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 03:54:06 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!usenet From: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us (Ron Heiby) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ctrl-C Seen Where No Ctrl-C Entered Date: Sat, 03 Feb 1996 01:37:18 GMT Organization: MCSNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4eue8l$o8t@Jupiter.mcs.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: heiby.pr.mcs.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I am running a copy of MS-DOS Kermit which identifies itself as "3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0" on a Dell 486SX/25 in a Windows 3.1 DOS window. I am running a copy of OS/2 "C-Kermit 5A(191), 24 Apr 95" on a ThinkPad 755CE (486DX/100) under OS/2 Warp 3.0. Between these two is a serial cable which came with the FastLynx software package (and with which I have never had any trouble. What I would like to do is to put the MS-Kermit into "server" mode, and conduct all of the operations from the OS/2 session. For the most part, this seems to work. However, I have noticed that when I attempt to send large binary (.ZIP) files from the OS/2 to the DOS version, after just a (smallish) portion of the file is transferred (with a "put" command), the transfer is halted with messages to the effect that I have aborted the transfer with a Ctrl-C. Nothing could be further from the truth. Yesterday, I attempted such a transfer several times with identical results. Today, I attempted such a transfer with a different file, again with these results. I have discovered a workaround. When I give up "server" mode on the DOS kermit and use "REC" there and "SEND" on the OS/2 side, the transfer goes to completion normally, and all is well. I'd appreciate being told what I am doing wrong, where I can get a fixed version of whichever Kermit is acting up, or any other helpful suggestions or questions. Thanks! Ron. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 3 04:19:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA19582 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 04:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA13355 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 04:19:25 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!not-for-mail From: shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford) Newsgroups: comp.terminals,comp.os.msdos.apps,comp.os.msdos.mail-news,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.stratus Subject: Monty Python, Flying Sheep, and Kermit (was Re: Searching Terminal for XT-PC) Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 2 Feb 1996 16:54:06 -0500 Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville--Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 67 Distribution: world Expires: 30 Mar 1996 22:11:22 EST Message-ID: <4eu15uINN4ad@duncan.cs.utk.edu> References: <4e3uol$jur@news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> <4eivvv$4q2@news1.wing.net> <4erosl$9mr@sun001.spd.dsccc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu Summary: modern Kermit implmentations can be fast Keywords: Kermit, terminal, protocol Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.terminals:8294 comp.os.msdos.apps:27634 comp.os.msdos.mail-news:4872 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4623 comp.sys.stratus:1815 In article <4erosl$9mr@sun001.spd.dsccc.com>, jmccarty@spd.dsccc.com (Mike McCarty) writes: > >>)Axel Schneider (schneid2@zeus.informatik.uni-bonn.de) wrote: >): >): I am looking for a terminal program, that is suitable for an XT >): IMB-compatible PC, can run under DOS 3.0 and fits on a 360kB Floppy >): Disk (no harddisk available). > > Kermit is okay if all you ever want to do is pretend to be a terminal. > But if you want to do general communications, it is terrible. File > down/upload are quite slow. Monty Python's Flying Circus once did a sketch about Flying Sheep. One character observed, "Notice that they do not so much fly as plummet." The old farmer leaned on his fence and explained, "Sheep are dim. Once they get an idea into their heads, there's no shifting it." A similar case has arisen with popular opinion concerning the Kermit file-transfer protocol. Unless you are a sheep (or a technical writer for a modem vendor), remember this: If you use Kermit correctly, it ain't necessarily slow. With a correctly done implementations of the modern Kermit protocol in place on BOTH ends of the connection, with both client and server given appropriate setup commands, Kermit transfers can be as fast as your modem will run. Three things contribute to the misconception: (1) Many host-system administrators have failed to install a new version of Kermit on their systems in the last 10 years. The older programs may not have support for long packets and sliding windows--the modern protocol features which increase speed. (2) The default tuning parameters are conservative, in the sense of wanting to make certain that SOME data transfer happens, even if slowly, despite possibly hostile communication conditions. Whereas other popular protocols take the attitude, "If I can't go fast, I won't go at all." (3) The instruction books for most new modems assert, with no reasons given, that "Kermit is slow". The writers, we assume, are not aware of issues (1) and (2). I'm typing this using MS-Kermit 3.14, the most recent Kermit program by Joe Doupnik for MS-DOS. It performs an excellent emulation of a DEC VT320 terminal and performs the Kermit file-transfer protocol with the speed-enhancing long packets, sliding windows, and prefix control. (And it fits on a floppy disk.) The latest C-Kermit program, by many authors, is available for many systems, including those running UNIX, VMS, AOS/VS, OS/2, or Stratus VOS, and also implements those features. The World Wide Web site for Kermit is entered by this URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ and performance issues are discussed in this section: -- ...Richard S. Shuford | "Plans fail for lack of counsel, ...shuford@cs.utk.edu | but with many advisers they succeed." ...Info-Stratus contact| Proverbs 15:22 NIV From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 3 04:24:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA19929 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 04:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA13416 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 04:24:54 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.kreonet.re.kr!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 2 Feb 1996 18:42:31 GMT From: rabbit@tygra.Michigan.COM (Roger Rabbit) Message-ID: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <14522@tygra.Michigan.COM> Control: cancel <14522@tygra.Michigan.COM> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 RABBIT spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 3 08:52:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA15424 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 08:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA29508 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 08:52:38 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.flint.umich.edu!news.gmi.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!omni1.voicenet.com!not-for-mail From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is sixel vesa 16 colors? Date: 3 Feb 1996 03:20:17 -0500 Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4ev5s1$j1n@omni1.voicenet.com> References: <4ergge$leo@omni2.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: omni1.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Christopher Mosley (cmosley@voicenet.com) wrote: : I have an svga card but only have a vga monitor, so I have : only been able to use vga tek/vt340 graphics. It seems : that if the allowable <= 256 colors are defined at the beginning : of a sixel file they are mapped to the 16 predefined colors. : As is the case with ega resolution. I believe this would also be : the case for vesa? I have been able to convert gifs to sixel files : using portable bit map utilities. If the images use simple colors : they are fine but photographs using many and subtle colors are not : rendered well in sixteen colors. I can dither the images but the : results are not great. ~ 800 x 600 and only 16 colors - is this : correct? : Thanks : cmosley p.s. In msdos dos kermit: Does HLP have the same 16 color constraint as RGB, if not would anyone know how to convert sixel RGB to sixel HLS? What vga mode is selected when set term graphics vga is used? I would think the one with 256 colors - even though cga colors are used. thanks again cmosley From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 3 12:48:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05412 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA11119 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 12:47:59 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!news.cuhk.edu.hk!newsfeeder.ust.hk!nntp.hk.super.net!tst.hk.super.net!usenet From: Patrick Chan Woon Yeung Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit : Problem on Solaris 2.4 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 18:43:03 +0800 Organization: Automated Systems (HK) LTD. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3111EAB7.5A32@asl.com.hk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.64.160.238 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4c) Hi When I start the C-Kermit on Solaris 2.4, I'd got the error message : C-Kermit>set line /dev/cua/b /dev/cua/b: Permission denied Sorry, access to device denied: /dev/cua/b However I can use the tip command to access this serial port. Is there any configuration such that I can use the C-Kermit without changing the permission? Thanks for any help. -- __^__ __^__ ( ___ )--------------------------------------------------------( ___ ) | / | Patrick Chan Woon Yeung | \ | | / | Customer Engineer | \ | | / | | \ | | / | Automated Systems (HK) Ltd. -- Engineering Department | \ | |___| |___| (_____)-----------------Email: pchan@asl.com.hk----------------(_____) From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 3 19:24:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06741 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 19:24:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA20371 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 3 Feb 1996 19:23:58 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is sixel vesa 16 colors? Message-ID: <1996Feb2.140636.73057@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Feb 96 14:06:35 MDT References: <4ergge$leo@omni2.voicenet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 In article <4ergge$leo@omni2.voicenet.com>, cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) writes: > I have an svga card but only have a vga monitor, so I have > only been able to use vga tek/vt340 graphics. It seems > that if the allowable <= 256 colors are defined at the beginning > of a sixel file they are mapped to the 16 predefined colors. > As is the case with ega resolution. I believe this would also be > the case for vesa? I have been able to convert gifs to sixel files > using portable bit map utilities. If the images use simple colors > they are fine but photographs using many and subtle colors are not > rendered well in sixteen colors. I can dither the images but the > results are not great. ~ 800 x 600 and only 16 colors - is this > correct? ------------ Sixel goes back in history further than PCs. In principle there is a palette of 256 colors to choose from, and 16 active on any screen. The DEC docs are vague whether one can, in fact, obtain more than 16 colors at once, but I have in inkling a VT340 might (no DEC color terminals here to find out). MS-DOS Kermit will not tinker with the palette registers of your display adapter, since they cannot always be restored properly due to broken video boards and because the screen may be shared, and it won't be sucked into the morasse of vendor-specific display maps and controller details. Thus MSK uses the fundamental 16 colors of EGA and VGA et seq display adapters. VESA has some nice standards, and vendors support some and ignore other features as they wish, per board. Many boards have VESA support only by loading a TSR Bios extender, even in this day and age. That means MSK is not going to charge into the VESA arena hoping that will be the way to fly because often it won't fly at all yet MSK will be expected to "do the right thing" with components available. In short, I'd prefer not to add more noticable bulk to the program to deal with complicated yet limited appeal situations. You can sense my bias that a "photograph" on PC display adapters is something of a crude joke unless one has a high end adapter, monitor, and the software to exploit both to the hilt. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 4 04:31:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA17881 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 04:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA01913 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 04:31:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!suck-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.u.washington.edu!cs113-2.u.washington.edu!user From: clithero@u.washington.edu (Peter Clitherow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: REQ: an *old* version of kermit for DOS 5.0 Date: Sat, 03 Feb 1996 19:43:47 -0800 Organization: University of Washington, Rural Health Research Center Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cs113-2.u.washington.edu X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.0b28 I have a friend who has a 5-6 year old laptop running DOS 5.0; he's looking for a compatable version of kermit - something that runs on a 286 generation PC. anyone have any pointers? i don't know much about the PC world, so i'd appreciate any leads. i don't suppose current versions would work on a machine that old... TIA, p -- Peter Clitherow, Rural Health Reseach Center, UW, Seattle, USA From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 4 05:58:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA23046 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 05:58:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA03056 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 05:58:45 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: REQ: an *old* version of kermit for DOS 5.0 Date: 4 Feb 1996 00:17:43 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4f1fhn$8re@panix.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: panix.com In article , Peter Clitherow wrote: >anyone have any pointers? i don't know much about the PC world, so i'd >appreciate any leads. i don't suppose current versions would work on a >machine that old... Actually, 3.14 (the current PC version) runs quite well on machines even older than that... Marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 4 13:08:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA29845 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 13:08:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA29590 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 13:08:36 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: REQ: an *old* version of kermit for DOS 5.0 Message-ID: Sender: jhurwit@netcom12.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? References: <4f1fhn$8re@panix.com> Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 06:07:43 GMT Lines: 15 In article <4f1fhn$8re@panix.com>, mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) wrote: >In article , >Peter Clitherow wrote: >>anyone have any pointers? i don't know much about the PC world, so i'd >>appreciate any leads. i don't suppose current versions would work on a >>machine that old... > >Actually, 3.14 (the current PC version) runs quite well on machines even >older than that... Quite so. Up until about 6 months ago, I was using 3.14 on an 8088 laptop that has no hard drive... Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 4 14:44:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07507 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 14:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA02079 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 14:44:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!suck-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news4.ner.bbnplanet.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!forest!tbeerley From: tbeerley@forest.drew.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit disables sound under Win95? Message-ID: <1996Feb4.114903.135174@forest> Date: 4 Feb 96 11:49:03 EST Organization: Drew University Lines: 8 Has anyone else had problems getting their sound card to work while running Kermit 3.13 under Windows 95? Whenever I run an app that uses audio at the same time Kermit is running, the OS tells me another application is busy with the audio. Tom Beerley tbeerley@daniel.drew.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 4 15:01:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08677 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 15:01:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA02544 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 15:01:39 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!cobia.gulf.net!valinor.mythical.com!valinor!n5ial!wwa.com!tygra!not-for-mail From: rabbit@tygra.Michigan.COM (Roger Rabbit) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cancel <14522@tygra.Michigan.COM> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 03 Feb 96 15:26:16 CST Control: cancel <14522@tygra.Michigan.COM> Organization: Shut Up Blair Lines: 1 Spam Cancelled. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 4 16:29:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14871 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA04523 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:29:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Setting Kermit's Serial Port (baud) rate Date: 4 Feb 1996 16:07:59 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4f2lkv$j0i@dub-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hd49-029.compuserve.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; U; 16bit) I am using a US Robotics External 28.8 Data/Fax Modem on Com Port 2 with Kermit. The US Robotics manual states that I have to set the Serail Port (Baud) rate to either 115.2K or 57.6K bps. Question: How can you set the Serail Port (Baud) rate in kermit? Note, I believe SET BAUD or SET SPEED sets the transmission speed over the phone line and not the speed between the modem and the PC. Is this a correct statement? Thanks in advance, Rich Godlewsky Sparta Systems, Inc. 76412.156@compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 4 16:29:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14874 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA04521 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:29:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Set Port - Modem Communication Problems Date: 4 Feb 1996 16:03:15 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4f2lc3$j0i@dub-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hd49-029.compuserve.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; U; 16bit) I am using kermit to connect to an external modem (i.e., US Robotics 28.8 Data/Fax Sportster external modem). This modem is connected to com 2 of my PC (running Windows 3.11 & Dos 6.0). When I issue a "SET PORT 2" command I get the following warning: ?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS2 I found out through trail and error that I can not talk to the modem until I issue an AT command and another "SET PORT 2" command. Question: Is there a way to tell Kermit what Modem I am using prior to issuing a Port command or why do I need to issue a port command twice? Thanks in advance, Rich Godlewsky Sparta Systems, Inc. 76412.156@compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 4 16:29:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14876 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA04525 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:29:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: "Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com" <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Set Port & External Modems Date: 4 Feb 1996 17:57:33 GMT Organization: Sparta Systems Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4f2s2d$1u0$1@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> I have a US Robotics 28.8 Data/Fax External Sportster Modem connected to my PC on Com Port 2. When I try to issue a "SET PORT 2" command I obtain the following warning message: ?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using the Bios as BIOS2 The only command I can Issue to the modem after this warning with out getting a modem not responding is an AT command. If after issuing an AT command I issue another Set Port 2 command I do not get the prior warning message and I can send any AT command to the modem. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong or what I should do before issuing the first AT command? Thanks in advance, Rich Godlewsky Sparta Systems, Inc. 76412.156@compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 4 16:29:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14878 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:29:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA04527 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:29:29 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: "Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com" <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Setting Serial Port Speed Date: 4 Feb 1996 18:01:28 GMT Organization: Sparta Systems Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4f2s9o$1u0$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> I have a US Robotics 28.8 Sportster External Modem which states that I need to set the Serail Port (Baud) rate to either 115.2k or 57.6k bps. How can I do this in kermit or is this something that I need to do in autoexec.bat, config.sys, or the Windows Control Panel's PORT setting? Related Question: Does SET SPEED and SET BAUD set the speed between modems and not the serail port rate (i.e., the speed between PC and modem)? Thanks in advance, Rich Godlewsky Sparta Systems, Inc. 76412.156@compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 4 23:02:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA14846 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 23:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA14623 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Feb 1996 23:02:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.helsinki.fi!kruuna!tlinden From: tlinden@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tomas Linden) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKERMIT emulating Tektronix 4010 Date: 4 Feb 1996 23:30:48 GMT Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4f3fj8$gvg@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> NNTP-Posting-Host: kruuna.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Is there any driver for the graphics adapter 8514/A to use with the Tektronix 4010 mode of MSKERMIT? Looking at the MSKERMIT documentation there does not to be a such thing. Giving the command SET TERMINAL GRAPHICS AUTO-SENSING gives me only the 640 * 480 VGA graphics mode instead of the 1024 * 768 resolution supported by the 8514/A. Since some SVGA cards are supported it seems strange that the 8514/A is not. Tomas Linden ------------ Tomas.Linden@Helsinki.FI From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 04:51:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA12859 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 04:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA22018 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 04:51:41 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKERMIT emulating Tektronix 4010 Message-ID: <1996Feb4.180207.73164@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Feb 96 18:02:07 MDT References: <4f3fj8$gvg@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 In article <4f3fj8$gvg@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI>, tlinden@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tomas Linden) writes: > Is there any driver for the graphics adapter 8514/A to use with the > Tektronix 4010 mode of MSKERMIT? Looking at the MSKERMIT documentation > there does not to be a such thing. Giving the command SET TERMINAL > GRAPHICS AUTO-SENSING gives me only the 640 * 480 VGA graphics mode > instead of the 1024 * 768 resolution supported by the 8514/A. Since some > SVGA cards are supported it seems strange that the 8514/A is not. --------- No, that board is not supported for graphics work. I have no such board here, no Microchannel equipment, and no documentation on the board. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 05:58:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA17090 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 05:58:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA22893 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 05:58:49 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!portal.gmu.edu!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newslink.runet.edu!not-for-mail From: ibelooze@runet.edu (Ilya) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit does not work transmit when screen is running Date: 5 Feb 1996 05:35:00 GMT Organization: Radford University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4f44u4$e7s@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: muselab-gw.runet.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Hello. I encountered the following problem: When I ran kermit and screen programs simulteneously, kermit refuses to transmit files and just gives me error messages in the form of TNNNTNNN or something like that. If anyone knows what causes it and/or what I can do about it, please contact me. Thank you for your time. ========================================================================== Ilya Beloozerov Email: ibelooze@runet.edu Public PGP key is available at http://www.cs.runet.edu/~ibelooze This message is sponsored by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. ========================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 06:56:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA11252 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 06:56:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA01451 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 06:56:46 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Setting Kermit's Serial Port (baud) rate Message-ID: <1996Feb4.140738.73154@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Feb 96 14:07:38 MDT References: <4f2lkv$j0i@dub-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 In article <4f2lkv$j0i@dub-news-svc-3.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky <76412.156@compuserve.com> writes: > I am using a US Robotics External 28.8 Data/Fax Modem on Com Port 2 with > Kermit. The US Robotics manual states that I have to set the Serail Port > (Baud) rate to either 115.2K or 57.6K bps. > > Question: > How can you set the Serail Port (Baud) rate in kermit? Note, I believe > SET BAUD or SET SPEED sets the transmission speed over the phone line and > not the speed between the modem and the PC. Is this a correct statement? -------- Wrong statement, backwards. Only the modems themselves set the telco line rate. They typically negotiate it, as you can sense by listening to them hiss and whistle to each other. Please do read the manual for your modem. Also, please review the release documentation for MS-DOS Kermit which talks extensively about what's a COM port and typical problems. Remember, COMx does NOT MEAN a particular IRQ and port number. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 06:56:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA11307 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 06:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA01473 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 06:56:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Setting Serial Port Speed Message-ID: <1996Feb4.141140.73155@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Feb 96 14:11:40 MDT References: <4f2s9o$1u0$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 In article <4f2s9o$1u0$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> writes: > I have a US Robotics 28.8 Sportster External Modem which states > that I need to set the Serail Port (Baud) rate to either 115.2k > or 57.6k bps. How can I do this in kermit or is this something > that I need to do in autoexec.bat, config.sys, or the Windows > Control Panel's PORT setting? > > Related Question: > Does SET SPEED and SET BAUD set the speed between modems and not > the serail port rate (i.e., the speed between PC and modem)? --------- Replying to the n-th version of this message. Are you running under Windows? If so Windows grabs the serial port and can produce this effect; complaints to Mr. Gates & Co. So can competing comms programs such as a FAX program. You'll have to poke about the machine to see what such competition might be. There is a fine book on MS-DOS Kermit which talks about these technical matters in every day terms. It's shown on the Kermit HELP screens. Please consider purchasing a copy. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 11:54:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28403 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA19942 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:54:18 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit : Problem on Solaris 2.4 Date: 5 Feb 1996 16:54:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4f5cnb$jeu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3111EAB7.5A32@asl.com.hk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3111EAB7.5A32@asl.com.hk>, Patrick Chan Woon Yeung wrote: >When I start the C-Kermit on Solaris 2.4, I'd got the error message : > >C-Kermit>set line /dev/cua/b >/dev/cua/b: Permission denied >Sorry, access to device denied: /dev/cua/b > >However I can use the tip command to access this serial port. >Is there any configuration such that I can use the C-Kermit without >changing the permission? > No, you have to change the permission either of Kermit or of the port and/or lockfile directory, and/or coordinate group and/or user IDs to allow access to the port & lockfiles with their current permissions, just like any other UNIX communications program, including tip itself. This is spelled out clearly in the installation instructions in the manual and also in the accompanying file, ckuins.doc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 11:59:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA29008 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA20060 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:59:27 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PIF settings for kermit 3.14 Date: 5 Feb 1996 16:59:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4f5d0q$jif@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4etbap$cas@news.Ieunet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4etbap$cas@news.Ieunet.ie>, Eoin Bairead wrote: : I have a (DOS) .INI file which allows a user log on to a mainframe (a : VAX) and automatically run a procedure which transfers a file down to : the PC. I'd like to know the optimal PIF settings to run the task in : Windows, preferably NOT as a maximised window. : Look on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (current version) diskette. In the WINDOWS subdirectory you'll find a KERMIT.PIF file. : And while we're at it - is there a NEAT way of getting user response in : a Windows environment, for things like passwords & usernames. : Read about the ASK and ASKQ commands in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 12:04:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29779 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:04:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20235 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:04:31 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What am I doing wrong !! Date: 5 Feb 1996 17:04:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-ID: <4f5daf$jo4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ethdv$et8@news.Ieunet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ethdv$et8@news.Ieunet.ie>, Eoin Bairead wrote: : I'm doing sumthin stoopid... : : I want a neat way of logging on to a VAX from a PC : : I have a nice PC program that prompts for Username & password : : then I have a batch file: X.BAT which says : kermit -f myfile.ini,define \%%1 %1, define \%%2 %2 : : in myfile.ini I have: : input 10 Username: : output \%1\13 : input 5 Password: : output \%2\13 : : I then say: : X BLOGGS SECRET : : and it falls over with nothing being output. : Sounds like you need a manual. "Using MS-DOS Kermit" explains all you need to know to do exactly what you are trying to do; in particular, how to pass parameters, and their scope and lifetime. Try this: : kermit -f myfile.ini,define \%%u %1, define \%%p %2 : : in myfile.ini I have: : input 10 Username: : output \%u\13 : input 5 Password: : output \%p\13 : And yes, there are more elegant ways to do it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 12:14:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01157 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20475 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:13:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ctrl-C Seen Where No Ctrl-C Entered Date: 5 Feb 1996 17:13:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4f5drn$jvh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4eue8l$o8t@Jupiter.mcs.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4eue8l$o8t@Jupiter.mcs.net>, Ron Heiby wrote: : I am running a copy of MS-DOS Kermit which identifies itself as "3.14 : 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0" on a Dell 486SX/25 in a Windows 3.1 DOS : window. I am running a copy of OS/2 "C-Kermit 5A(191), 24 Apr 95" on a : ThinkPad 755CE (486DX/100) under OS/2 Warp 3.0. Between these two is a : serial cable which came with the FastLynx software package (and with : which I have never had any trouble. : : What I would like to do is to put the MS-Kermit into "server" mode, : and conduct all of the operations from the OS/2 session. For the most : part, this seems to work. However, I have noticed that when I attempt : to send large binary (.ZIP) files from the OS/2 to the DOS version, : after just a (smallish) portion of the file is transferred (with a : "put" command), the transfer is halted with messages to the effect : that I have aborted the transfer with a Ctrl-C. Nothing could be : further from the truth. Yesterday, I attempted such a transfer several : times with identical results. Today, I attempted such a transfer with : a different file, again with these results. : This would not be happening unless you had told the file sender to set control unprefix 3 131 So tell the file sender to: set control prefix 3 131 to undo this effect. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 12:19:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01806 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:19:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20614 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:19:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: REQ: an *old* version of kermit for DOS 5.0 Date: 5 Feb 1996 17:19:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4f5e65$k3s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Peter Clitherow wrote: : I have a friend who has a 5-6 year old laptop running DOS 5.0; he's : looking for a compatable version of kermit - something that runs on a 286 : generation PC. : : anyone have any pointers? i don't know much about the PC world, so i'd : appreciate any leads. i don't suppose current versions would work on a : machine that old... : Au contraire -- the current version, 3.14, works fine on any 8088 or above with sufficient memory (several hundred K). Even in cases of insufficient memory, the current release is also available in a reduced-size version for just that purpose. We take care not to abandon those people who don't rush out and buy the latest computer and OS several times a year. Complete information on Kermit software is at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 12:23:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02244 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:23:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20729 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:23:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit disables sound under Win95? Date: 5 Feb 1996 17:22:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4f5ed7$k7h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Feb4.114903.135174@forest> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Feb4.114903.135174@forest>, wrote: >Has anyone else had problems getting their sound card to work while >running Kermit 3.13 under Windows 95? Whenever I run an app that uses >audio at the same time Kermit is running, the OS tells me another >application is busy with the audio. > No, Kermit does not take over the sound card. It sounds like you have an interrupt conflict between your sound card and your serial port. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 12:28:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02804 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:28:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20872 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:27:57 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit does not work transmit when screen is running Date: 5 Feb 1996 17:27:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4f5emc$kc2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4f44u4$e7s@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4f44u4$e7s@newslink.runet.edu>, Ilya wrote: : : Hello. I encountered the following problem: When I ran kermit and screen : programs simulteneously, kermit refuses to transmit files and just gives : me error messages in the form of TNNNTNNN or something like that. If : anyone knows what causes it and/or what I can do about it, please contact : me. Thank you for your time. : What computer? What operating system and version? What Kermit program and version? What kind of connection? etc etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 12:32:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03493 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:32:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA20995 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 12:32:28 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit does not work transmit when screen is running Date: 5 Feb 1996 17:32:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4f5ev1$kft@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4f44u4$e7s@newslink.runet.edu> <4f5emc$kc2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4f5emc$kc2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <4f44u4$e7s@newslink.runet.edu>, Ilya wrote: >: >: Hello. I encountered the following problem: When I ran kermit and screen >: programs simulteneously, kermit refuses to transmit files and just gives >: me error messages in the form of TNNNTNNN or something like that. If >: anyone knows what causes it and/or what I can do about it, please contact >: me. Thank you for your time. >: >What computer? What operating system and version? What Kermit program >and version? What kind of connection? etc etc. > On second thought... You are talking about the UNIX version of C-Kermit and you are trying to transfer a file through the GNU "screen" program. Sorry, you can't. From the C-Kermit "beware" (ckuker.bwr) file: C-Kermit will not work as expected on a remote UNIX system, when used through the GNU "screen" program. In this case, terminal connections to the remote UNIX system work, but attempts to transfer files fail because the screen optimization (or at least, line wrapping, control-character absorption) done by this package interferes with Kermit's packets. The screen program was not designed to allow file transfers to go through it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 13:09:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08010 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:09:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA21959 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:09:53 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!suck-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!wrdis02.robins.af.mil!rcp6.elan.af.mil!newshub.nosc.mil!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ctrl-C Seen Where No Ctrl-C Entered Message-ID: <1996Feb3.083812.73115@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Feb 96 08:38:12 MDT References: <4eue8l$o8t@Jupiter.mcs.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 51 In article <4eue8l$o8t@Jupiter.mcs.net>, heiby@falkor.chi.il.us (Ron Heiby) writes: > I am running a copy of MS-DOS Kermit which identifies itself as "3.14 > 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0" on a Dell 486SX/25 in a Windows 3.1 DOS That initial release was replaced by the 21 May edition and attendent patch files. Please see kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/msdos, archive file msvibm.zip. > window. I am running a copy of OS/2 "C-Kermit 5A(191), 24 Apr 95" on a > ThinkPad 755CE (486DX/100) under OS/2 Warp 3.0. Between these two is a > serial cable which came with the FastLynx software package (and with > which I have never had any trouble. > > What I would like to do is to put the MS-Kermit into "server" mode, > and conduct all of the operations from the OS/2 session. For the most > part, this seems to work. However, I have noticed that when I attempt > to send large binary (.ZIP) files from the OS/2 to the DOS version, > after just a (smallish) portion of the file is transferred (with a > "put" command), the transfer is halted with messages to the effect > that I have aborted the transfer with a Ctrl-C. Nothing could be > further from the truth. Yesterday, I attempted such a transfer several > times with identical results. Today, I attempted such a transfer with > a different file, again with these results. > > I have discovered a workaround. When I give up "server" mode on the > DOS kermit and use "REC" there and "SEND" on the OS/2 side, the > transfer goes to completion normally, and all is well. > > I'd appreciate being told what I am doing wrong, where I can get a > fixed version of whichever Kermit is acting up, or any other helpful > suggestions or questions. ---------------- That "stray" Control-C effect isn't built into the Kermit software. If the DOS machine has IRQ/port conflicts wierd things will happen. If the serial port speed is set to very high speeds and the UARTs plus cable are not all they should be then bytes can be clobbered now and then, and some can end up looking like Control-C. If you have a virus or other helpful programs watching the keyboard then unusual results can happen. Do watch for comms outages resulting when disk cache programs dump large amounts of data to disk. And so on down the usual list of gotcha's. Direct serial communications requires adequate flow control between machines. That's conventionally XON/XOFF. RTS/CTS may or may not work, depending on whether your serial cable has all the wires it ought. Then there is the OS/2 side of matters. You controlled the file transfers from there, and trouble with serial comms could produce unusual effects too. I'm not an expert on OS/2 serial comms so I will leave detailed speculation to those who are. As a fallback, I would try with lower serial port speeds to unstress the comms link, and I would not try unprefixing control codes in Kermit packets. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 5 21:12:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04931 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 21:12:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA04759 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Feb 1996 21:12:04 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!suck-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!park.uvsc.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is sixel vesa 16 colors? Message-ID: <1996Feb3.082727.73114@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Feb 96 08:27:27 MDT References: <4ergge$leo@omni2.voicenet.com> <4ev5s1$j1n@omni1.voicenet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 In article <4ev5s1$j1n@omni1.voicenet.com>, cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) writes: > Christopher Mosley (cmosley@voicenet.com) wrote: > : I have an svga card but only have a vga monitor, so I have > : only been able to use vga tek/vt340 graphics. It seems > : that if the allowable <= 256 colors are defined at the beginning > : of a sixel file they are mapped to the 16 predefined colors. > : As is the case with ega resolution. I believe this would also be > : the case for vesa? I have been able to convert gifs to sixel files > : using portable bit map utilities. If the images use simple colors > : they are fine but photographs using many and subtle colors are not > : rendered well in sixteen colors. I can dither the images but the > : results are not great. ~ 800 x 600 and only 16 colors - is this > : correct? > : Thanks > : cmosley > > p.s. In msdos dos kermit: Does HLP have the same 16 color > constraint as RGB, if not would anyone know how to convert > sixel RGB to sixel HLS? What vga mode is selected when > set term graphics vga is used? I would think the one with 256 > colors - even though cga colors are used. ------------ HLS (hue, lightness, saturation) is a logical mapping to RGBi (red, greeen, blue, intensity). Standard VGA 256 color is video mode 13h, which has the crude resolution of 320x200. Kermit does not use that mode, though many games do, because it is unsuitable for technical graphics. You can read more about it, as they say, in source file msgibm.asm (see kermit.columbia.edu). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 6 15:05:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22844 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 15:05:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA19416 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 15:05:53 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci3!imci5!suck-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!iglou!iglou.com!wakep From: wakep@iglou.com (J. Wakeley Purple) Subject: >1 session w/telapi? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: iglou2 Message-ID: Sender: news@iglou.com (News Administrator) Organization: IgLou Internet Services (1-800-436-4456) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 01:30:16 GMT Lines: 9 Using 3.14, I'm trying to get more than one session working through 4.1 telapi-tcp/ip to a unix box. When I do set port telapi 1.1.2.3 new I just get the same session - the first disconnects. Telapi is set to 2 sessions. I've got the book and have read the updates, etc. & can't figure it out. Is there some trick ? -- J. Wakeley Purple - wakep@iglou.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 6 16:23:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA02544 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 16:23:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA21351 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 16:23:08 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!rothen From: rothen+@pitt.edu (Seth B Rothenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit transfers to IBM-370 Mainframe Date: 6 Feb 1996 16:52:09 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4f80vp$d2m@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: unixs7.cis.pitt.edu I am trying to establish unattended file transfers between an IBM-370 Mainframe and a Sun Solaris 2.4 UNIX system. I am wondering if anyone is doing this, and if so how? We have connectivity of an sdlc link for SNA Peer-to-Peer which we are using for real-time communications. (I don't need info on Sun RJE software right now, as Sun gave up on that...they gave us our money back...) I am assuming I can take another port on my HSI card and connect it to another port on my 3725 Front End and Voila! The IBM Systems people want more information. My boss would very much like to know if there is a big company from which we can buy a maintenance contract. However, just one reference would be a nice start. Thanks Seth From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 6 19:08:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21533 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA25799 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:08:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!primus.ac.net!news.serv.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!nwfocus.wa.com!krel.iea.com!comtch!andersr From: andersr@comtch.iea.com (Rod Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Setting Kermit's Serial Port (baud) rate Date: 6 Feb 1996 13:40:16 GMT Organization: CompuTech Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4f7lo0$7bl@krel.iea.com> References: <4f2lkv$j0i@dub-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: comtch.iea.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Rich Godlewsky (76412.156@compuserve.com) wrote: : I am using a US Robotics External 28.8 Data/Fax Modem on Com Port 2 with : Kermit. The US Robotics manual states that I have to set the Serail Port : (Baud) rate to either 115.2K or 57.6K bps. : Question: : How can you set the Serail Port (Baud) rate in kermit? Note, I believe : SET BAUD or SET SPEED sets the transmission speed over the phone line and : not the speed between the modem and the PC. Is this a correct statement? No it isn't The SET SPEED set the port speed. This is a common miss understanding problem. Now if you modem only allows speed matching to the port you have a problem. This isn't the case with USRs. You use commands to the modem (those AT thingys) to set the modem to not lock to the port speed. Of course I'm not a communications expert so this probably contains bad wording but the idea is there. I don't have my MS-Kermit INI file handy so I can't tell you what I use with my USR Sportser 14.4 but the port is at 57.6kbs and the modem handles the phone line stuff. This means when I call into work I get a 9600 connection at their end and when I call my service provider I get a 19.2kbs. On my Linux machine I think the port is at 19.2kbs or higher. This help or confuse? : Thanks in advance, : Rich Godlewsky : Sparta Systems, Inc. : 76412.156@compuserve.com Rod andersr@comtch.iea.com -- Please don't tell my mother I work for the government. She thinks I play piano in a bordello. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 6 19:27:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23334 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:27:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA26265 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:27:10 -0500 (EST) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!iglou!iglou.com!wakep From: wakep@iglou.com (J. Wakeley Purple) Subject: Compressed Text prob X-Nntp-Posting-Host: iglou2 Message-ID: Sender: news@iglou.com (News Administrator) Organization: IgLou Internet Services (1-800-436-4456) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 01:14:40 GMT Lines: 19 I have used the compressed text feature of 3.14 on a Diamond svga card, but can't seem to get it to work on the Hercules svga machines at work. I do set compr text-132, but kermit goes into graphics mode instead. That would be ok, but the svga card seems to think it's 1024x768 or something, since the text is really tiny and doesn't even display right then. I can set up the batch file to issue a command to put the card in 132-col mode, but I don't know how to *force* kermit to use that batch file instead of doing its own thing with the hardware. We'd really like to get this set up so our users can view 132 columns using novell telapi to a unix box. -- J. Wakeley Purple - wakep@iglou.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 6 19:27:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23338 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:27:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA26267 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:27:10 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!paperboy.wellfleet.com!news3.near.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.eas.asu.edu!noao!stsci!usenet From: Gary Gladney Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Tek window emulator in K95 Date: 6 Feb 1996 15:25:38 GMT Organization: Space Telescope Science Inst. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4f7rti$p9e@marvel.stsci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: valhalla.stsci.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.12 (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) X-URL: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc We have had several inquiries about a Tek emulator in Kermit 95. Nothing I can find says that Kermit 95 supports Tek. Does anyone know or is there a patch avialable for the Tek window emulator. thanks gary -- Gary Gladney gladney@stsci.edu Network Manager Space Telescope Science Inst. Baltimore Md. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 6 19:48:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA25537 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:48:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA26669 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Feb 1996 19:48:42 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Tek window emulator in K95 Date: 7 Feb 1996 00:48:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4f8sso$q19@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4f7rti$p9e@marvel.stsci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4f7rti$p9e@marvel.stsci.edu>, Gary Gladney wrote: > We have had several inquiries about a Tek emulator in Kermit 95. > Nothing I can find says that Kermit 95 supports Tek. > It doesn't. > Does anyone know or is there a patch avialable for the Tek window > emulator. > It would not be a patch. In fact it is a significant developement project, and one which we intend to undertake. But before it can be done, we must convert Kermit 95 from a console application to a full GUI application, because console applications can't make graphics. We are working on the GUI conversion now, but it is a BIG JOB with literally tens of thousands of details to iron out. After the full-GUI version is released, then we will begin to add features to it, such as Tektronix 401x emulation. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 7 01:59:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA27866 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 01:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA05902 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 01:59:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!gatech!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: "Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com" <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Setting Kermit's Serial Port (baud) rate Date: 6 Feb 1996 22:49:39 GMT Organization: Sparta Systems Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4f8lu3$hja$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> References: <4f7lo0$7bl@krel.iea.com> Joe D & Rod, Thanks for straighting me out on this Set Baud issue. I plan on setting the Baud to 115200 for my US Robotics 28.8 Sporster Modem. Thanks, Rich Godlewsky Sparta Systems, Inc. 76412.156@compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 7 10:19:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14141 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA04202 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:19:21 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!primus.ac.net!news.cais.net!xara.net!peer-news.britain.eu.net!uknet!trog.dra.hmg.gb!news From: Doug Pickering Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Pathworks 6 and MS-Kermit Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 11:10:50 -0800 Organization: Pickering Software Services Limited Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3118F93A.B3F@msn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.80.21.161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Hi, Unfortunately I cannot get MSKermit 3.14 to work with CTERM on Pathworks 6. Anybody managed to get it working? Doug Pickering From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 7 10:48:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17475 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:48:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA04925 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:48:14 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.exodus.net!aimnet.com!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit disables sound under Win95? Date: 6 Feb 1996 18:45:07 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4f87jj$jlr@hustle.rahul.net> References: <1996Feb4.114903.135174@forest> <4f5ed7$k7h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <1996Feb4.114903.135174@forest>, wrote: : >Has anyone else had problems getting their sound card to work while : >running Kermit 3.13 under Windows 95? Whenever I run an app that uses : >audio at the same time Kermit is running, the OS tells me another : >application is busy with the audio. : > : No, Kermit does not take over the sound card. : It sounds like you have an interrupt conflict between your sound card and : your serial port. Rumor has it ;-) that some sound cards use IRQ4. If you look in Win95 under Control Panel, System, Device Drivers, you should be able to see if your sound card is using irq 4, and probably conflicting with a comm port, which you can also check from the control panel. You might want to try Kermit-95. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 7 10:53:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18226 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA05017 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:53:02 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!brutus.bright.net!chi-news.cic.net!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: "Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com" <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Setting Serial Port Speed Date: 6 Feb 1996 22:55:23 GMT Organization: Sparta Systems Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4f8m8r$hja$2@mhade.production.compuserve.com> References: <1996Feb4.141140.73155@cc.usu.edu> Joe, Could you tell me the name of the book on kermit which will describe problems in the MS Windows such as Set Port? I currently own the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" second edition by Christine M. Gianone. Thanks in advance, Rich Godlewsky Sparta Systems, Inc. 76412.156@compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 7 13:43:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07929 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:43:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA09462 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:43:36 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Setting Serial Port Speed Date: 7 Feb 1996 18:43:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4farrq$d0a@banzai.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Feb4.141140.73155@cc.usu.edu> <4f8m8r$hja$2@mhade.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4f8m8r$hja$2@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >Could you tell me the name of the book on kermit which will >describe problems in the MS Windows such as Set Port? > >I currently own the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" second edition by >Christine M. Gianone. > The book is supplemented by update and technical material in plain-text files on the MS-DOS Kermit diskette: KERMIT.UPD describes changes to the software since the book was published. KERMIT.BWR contains the information you are asking about. NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC contains voluminous information on networking. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 7 13:47:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08339 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:46:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA09612 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:46:52 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news5.ner.bbnplanet.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.technocom.co.uk!morse.ukonline.co.uk!bath.ac.uk!niss!warwick!bignews.shef.ac.uk!kusogari From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: two machine "network" using tcp/ip Date: 31 Jan 1996 22:35:03 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4eoqqn$7hj@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <4cip39$9t5@hippo.shef.ac.uk> <4daegb$j0k@Mercury.mcs.com> <4dpapc$gce@saturn.ball.com> <4e30al$bbd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: kuso.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Since I started this thread, I though I would give an update. I now have several machine dedicated tcp/ip over ethernet (both coax and 10BaseT) running: MsKermit <--> Ckermit (OS2 3.0) MsKermit <--> Ckermit (SCO UNIX 3.0 ODT) MsKermit <--> MsKermit (PCDOSV 6.3) Performance has been good, but not as good as I expected. Despite some effort expended in tuning, I have not been able to get more than 25000 <-> 30000 characters/second. Sure, this beats a serial link, but seems much less than a hardwired ethernet connect should deliver. Hardware on the OS2/UNIX side: 486 dx266 with 20 megs ram, ne2000 clone card. Hardware on the portable side: Att globalyst 130 486 dx4 at 100 MHZ, 12 megs ram, PCMCIA ne2000 clone card. -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 7 19:03:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15424 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:03:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA18079 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:03:13 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!primus.ac.net!news.cais.net!xara.net!peer-news.britain.eu.net!uknet!trog.dra.hmg.gb!news From: Doug Pickering Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKermit over TCPIP with Microsoft TCPIP stack Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 11:13:30 -0800 Organization: Pickering Software Services Limited Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3118F9DA.18C6@msn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.80.21.161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Hi, I have managed to get MSKermit working in a DOS session talking alright over TCP/IP. I can't however get any windows TCPIP app (Netscape for example) to run when Kermit is talking to a host. I have read all the documents and believe that getting Microsoft's TCPIP for WFW to work with Kermit is not possible. Anyone have any other ideas? Doug Pickering From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 7 19:39:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA18937 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:39:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA18904 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:39:41 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Setting Serial Port Speed Message-ID: <1996Feb6.205713.73378@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Feb 96 20:57:13 MDT References: <1996Feb4.141140.73155@cc.usu.edu> <4f8m8r$hja$2@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 In article <4f8m8r$hja$2@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Rich Godlewsky 76412.156@compuserve.com <76412.156@CompuServe.COM> writes: > Joe, > > Could you tell me the name of the book on kermit which will > describe problems in the MS Windows such as Set Port? > > I currently own the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" second edition by > Christine M. Gianone. --------- As I replied to you privately, but again for the benefit of other readers, the MSK release notes have more recent information and advice than the book. There isn't one specific document describing all the many (sigh) ways that MS Windows (3.1 & 95) can deal with serial ports, so we in the Kermit Project give some common hints and hope that will cover most cases (and free us of the concern to write an 800 page $45 tome titled "Undocumented Windows Serial Ports, with CD-ROM!" or similar). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 7 22:05:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA01288 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:05:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA22686 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:05:07 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit over TCPIP with Microsoft TCPIP stack Message-ID: <1996Feb7.090009.73404@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Feb 96 09:00:09 MDT References: <3118F9DA.18C6@msn.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 In article <3118F9DA.18C6@msn.com>, Doug Pickering writes: > Hi, > > I have managed to get MSKermit working in a DOS session talking alright > over TCP/IP. I can't however get any windows TCPIP app (Netscape for > example) to run when Kermit is talking to a host. > > I have read all the documents and believe that getting Microsoft's TCPIP > for WFW to work with Kermit is not possible. Anyone have any other > ideas? --------------- I suggest folks reread the section which discusses two protocol stacks of the same kind over the same board: won't work, don't do it. MS' TCP/IP stack is for pure Windows programs only, not for DOS programs. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 8 00:03:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA10494 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 00:03:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA25908 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 00:03:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!in-news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!ccnet.com!usenet From: gbernard@dbc.com (Greg Bernard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: modem pooling Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 21:26:05 GMT Organization: CCnet Communications (510-988-7140 guest) Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4f5t3g$jfk@ccnet2.ccnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.217.9.49 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I just have a quick question here. There was a post in one of the Linux USENET groups about modem pooling. Ie, can computer A start a TCP session to computer B, where the modem is physically connected to, and use the modem on computer B? If not, I thought it might be kind of interesting to hack around at it, but if it is already done... TIA. gb Greg Bernard Data Broadcasting Corp. gbernard@dbc.com 1900 S. Norfolk St. All opionions, if I had any, are my own. San Mateo, CA 94404 From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 8 02:16:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA21484 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 02:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA29146 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 02:16:32 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.luc.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!munnari.OZ.AU!news.uwa.edu.au!yarrow.wt.com.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!not-for-mail From: cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: You know your a success when... Date: 8 Feb 1996 12:16:28 +0800 Organization: Telstra Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4fbtes$e52@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] You know your program is a success when... Someone posts in alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc asking for a copy of Kermit95 to be posted to the group! From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 8 12:37:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20066 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:37:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA01719 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:37:19 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: modem pooling Date: 8 Feb 1996 17:37:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4fdcc6$1ll@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4f5t3g$jfk@ccnet2.ccnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4f5t3g$jfk@ccnet2.ccnet.com>, Greg Bernard wrote: >I just have a quick question here. There was a post in one of the >Linux USENET groups about modem pooling. Ie, can computer A start a >TCP session to computer B, where the modem is physically connected to, >and use the modem on computer B? If not, I thought it might be kind >of interesting to hack around at it, but if it is already done... > It has. Computer B is generally a terminal server that is configured for this purpose. Telnet (i.e. Kermit) from Computer A to a particular TCP port (say 2000) on the terminal server, which has been configured to dynamically assign the first free modem for an outbound call. C-Kermit and Kermit 95 are already programmed to dial out in this way. See page 74 of "Using C-Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 8 23:10:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22207 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA18773 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:10:44 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.orst.edu!engr.orst.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!blackbush.xlink.net!ins.net!dn.bnc.net!news From: Axel.Trocha@aachen.netsurf.de Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Subject: LAT Date: Thu, 08 Feb 96 13:34:32 GMT Organization: Bonner Network Consulting Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: surf2.aachen.netsurf.de X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [1.0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:4668 comp.protocols.misc:5318 Hello, I a mdesperately looking for any information about Digitals LAT (local area transport) - protocoll. I know that they sold it to some other company. I would be happy about any information you could give me about this subject. bye Axel From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 8 23:36:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA24328 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:36:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA19355 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:36:30 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!uw-beaver!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!uvaix3e1.comp.UVic.CA!sol!klassen From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: REQ: an *old* version of kermit for DOS 5.0 Date: 9 Feb 1996 00:50:26 GMT Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4fe5oi$hq9@uvaix3e1.comp.UVic.CA> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.uvic.ca clithero@u.washington.edu (Peter Clitherow) writes: >I have a friend who has a 5-6 year old laptop running DOS 5.0; he's looking >for a compatble version of kermit - something that runs on a 286 generation PC. >anyone have any pointers? i don't know much about the PC world, so i'd >appreciate any leads. i don't suppose current versions would work on a >machine that old... I'm using: IBM PS/2, 80286, 2MB of RAM, 20MB hard-drive, VGA colour monitor. Release 3.14 of MS KERMIT runs quite well, under DOS 4.01, using 2400baud modem. Is that "old" enough for you? :-) From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 9 04:43:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA18798 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 04:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA25046 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 04:03:29 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!nntp.msstate.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!park.uvsc.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: >1 session w/telapi? Message-ID: <1996Feb6.104623.73296@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Feb 96 10:46:23 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 In article , wakep@iglou.com (J. Wakeley Purple) writes: > Using 3.14, I'm trying to get more than one session working through > 4.1 telapi-tcp/ip to a unix box. When I do set port telapi 1.1.2.3 new I > just get the same session - the first disconnects. Telapi is set to 2 > sessions. I've got the book and have read the updates, etc. & can't > figure it out. Is there some trick ? -------- Novell's TELAPI interface supports only one connection, as Kermit sees it. You can use Novell's transitory helper program TSU to create more than one and assign each to a fake serial port (SET PORT BIOSn, n=1-4). We provide a macro, named Telapi as well, which runs TSU, hands over the host name, specifies the port, and sets Kermit to that port. If you look at the macro and the Novell TSU instruction sheet it's easy to tailor whatever you wish. The Kermit comms channels (SET PORT blah) support multiple sessions only with its internal TCP/IP stack; all other channels are single session. By using different SET PORT BIOSn ports one can have several Telapi sessions active. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 9 05:27:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA21967 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 05:26:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA26460 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 9 Feb 1996 05:26:55 -0500 (EST) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!chi-news.cic.net!brutus.bright.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!bignews.shef.ac.uk!kusogari From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: bugs in Ckermit and Mskermit vt100 mode Date: 9 Feb 1996 00:16:56 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4fe3po$1gr@bignews.shef.ac.uk> Reply-To: cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: kuso.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I have observed the following unfriendly behavior in vt100 mode with Ckermit and Mskermit: 1) With Ckermit for OS2 running under OS2 Windows 3.0 Japanese, garbage (control characters?) in English language posts will cause Ckermit to switch to a mode in which everything on screen appears in the Japanese katakana font although the source text is actually ascii. This is purely an internal Ckermit problem. Using ALT+X to go to the command prompt gives a standard English display. So far I've found nothing other than restarting Ckermit that will fix this situation. 2) With MsKermit 3.14 for DOS with input echo on in an automated login sequence, the vt100 initialization string returned by tset (?) will result in the screen being switched to 40 column mode. This happens with the termcap/terminfo supplied with SCO UNIX ODT 3.0. This does happen for logins done by hand. The problem appears only with