From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 1 17:20:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA16125 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA28695 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.stanford.edu!news.isc.org!bounce-back From: group-admin@isc.org (David C Lawrence) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg newgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc Control: newgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Message-ID: <904682766.15418@isc.org> Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 20:46:06 -0000 Lines: 19 X-Info: ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/README.html ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/pgpcontrol/README X-PGP-Sig: 2.6.2 Subject,Control,Message-ID,Date,From,Sender iQCVAwUBNexdDsJdOtO4janBAQHynAP/aHEh2K7iYPt09ClNtrmFiEurhoSd/BWY cw18XfAXKCkOyYFHw5Ma2l5PHOs71rGXonYyxRp9MQu67vj1vkncHliUS/lnvsoC AFpy4ueyV4YvPsHrXIWqyG4faaCSb3npmP19EER1Cvo0DZsUxkMF4uH4F6IXyqth pIc90mJ62Ng= =cSlC Xref: news.columbia.edu control.newgroup:64037 comp.protocols.kermit.misc is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote for creation by 233:28 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 7 Sep 1994. For your newsgroups file: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Kermit protocol and software. The charter, culled from the call for votes: The unmoderated newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc will be open to all topics related to Kermit protocol and software, including questions and answers regarding the acquisition and use of the software, and discussions of performance and protocol issues. It is not intended as a software announcement forum or a software distribution method, e.g. posting of massive amounts of source code, although items such as short script programs (e.g. dialing scripts for new kinds of modems) of general interest can be posted, but with the understanding that the definitive source for Kermit software is the repository at Columbia University, and the act of posting an item to this newsgroup does not necessarily enter it into this repository. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 1 18:10:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24201 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA10615 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!not-for-mail From: jsue@cs.indiana.edu (jeff l sue) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How I implemented an application using C-Kermit for VMS Date: 1 Sep 1998 22:08:43 GMT Organization: NOT! Lines: 36 Message-ID: <6shr9b$qsq$1@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu> References: <6s1kq5$65p$1@client3.news.psi.net> <6sfhis$4hi$1@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu> <6sh08l$1dv$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sheepskin.cs.indiana.edu X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test66 (4 June 1998) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:185148 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9158 In article <6sh08l$1dv$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <6sfhis$4hi$1@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu>, >jeff l sue wrote: >: In article <6s1kq5$65p$1@client3.news.psi.net>, >: Bob Kennedy wrote: >: > >That's the good thing about alpha paging. TAP is a protocol that lets the >page sender know whether the page was delivered successfully -- at least to >the paging service. Of course it is the paging service's responsibility >to deliver it to the pager. And of course it is also the responsibility of >the person carrying the page to read the page promptly and respond to it, >but that's somewhat beyond software control. > Right, but my comments address the latter part of your paragraph: Something needs to insure that the receiver actually got the message. There are many different reasons that the page may not make it. For example (real world experience): Pager accidentally turned off (by children), pager lost, battery died, on airplane when page happened, inept/unwilling receiver, etc. The C-Kermit solution can be used to send the page, but some other complexity needs to be added to the paging application that provides for positive confirmation from the receiver that the page got through. If that confirmation doesn't arrive within x-minutes, then escalate one level - which may mean just trying again to the same pager. Wait x-more minutes, then escalate to level2, etc. At some point, upper management should be in the escalation process. Without this, the effort spent on the paging application could result in messages going into the bit-bucket. -- JLS -- *I* said that - since I can | Help stamp out abolitionists! barely speak for myself, don't | even think of blaming someone | Ignorance is bliss... else. | for awhile anyway... From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 1 18:56:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01155 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA19973 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How I implemented an application using C-Kermit for VMS Date: 1 Sep 1998 22:56:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-ID: <6shu21$gij$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6s1kq5$65p$1@client3.news.psi.net> <6sfhis$4hi$1@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu> <6sh08l$1dv$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6shr9b$qsq$1@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:185150 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9159 In article <6shr9b$qsq$1@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu>, jeff l sue wrote: : Right, but my comments address the latter part of your paragraph: Something : needs to insure that the receiver actually got the message. There are many : different reasons that the page may not make it. For example (real world : experience): Pager accidentally turned off (by children), pager lost, : battery died, on airplane when page happened, inept/unwilling receiver, etc. : : The C-Kermit solution can be used to send the page, but some other complexity : needs to be added to the paging application that provides for positive : confirmation from the receiver that the page got through. If that confirmation : doesn't arrive within x-minutes, then escalate one level - which may mean just : trying again to the same pager. Wait x-more minutes, then escalate to level2, : etc. At some point, upper management should be in the escalation process. : : Without this, the effort spent on the paging application could result in : messages going into the bit-bucket. The easiest answer to these problems is the following: if you need a service that provides reliable delivery of messages then contract for that kind of service. SkyTel's 2-way paging service is one example of a service that will hold messages until the pager is able to confirm receipt. AT&T also has a similar Text messaging service with their digital phones. One-way pagers are not reliable. You cannot guarantee delivery of messages to them. Therefore, if reliable delivery is required then a one-way pager is not an acceptable solution. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 1 20:07:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA10317 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA04278 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.122.16.44!news.eskimo.com!pygmy From: pygmy@eskimo.com (Frank Sergeant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 telnet to dosemu under Linux Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 16:09:40 -0500 Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever Lines: 68 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: frank.sergeant@pobox.com NNTP-Posting-Host: eskimo.com Originator: pygmy@eskimo.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9161 Things continue to look up. I modified the dos emulator and now Kermit 95 works without having to reset the code page manually after the dosemulator starts. ebiederm@inetnebr.com (Eric W. Biederman) wrote: > What it comes down to is: > 1) IBM character set issues, are a pain with slang. > We have a hack for the linux terminal but that is all. > Frank you've reversed engineered it beautifully. > Look in src/env/video/terminal.c line 69 if you want to see where > the ESC ( U is. Remember \033 is octal for the escape character. Thank you! That was just the information I needed. I found the code at line 161 in src/env/video/terminal.c (for version 0.97.10). I commented out the original line and replaced it with the following line, as //if (Use_IBM_Codes) SLtt_write_string ("\033(U\033(U\r \r"); if (Use_IBM_Codes) SLtt_write_string ("\033(B\033-U\r \r"); So, thanks to you and the Kermit support team, I can use Kermit95 on a W95 machine to telnet to the Linux box, both ends have the terminal set to 'linux', and have my Clipper app look pretty good, including legible text plus box drawing characters, without needing to escape to Kermit to reset the character set. (In other words, dosemu has now stopped resetting the character set or code page or whatever.) (The key information from Kermit support was that apparently dosemu was sending 'ESC ( U ESC ( U' instead of 'ESC ( B ESC - U'.) I can now use any of the following three telnet clients and run the Clipper app: Linux, Kermit95, MSKermit (i.e. Kermit under DOS over a packet driver on Ethernet, where Kermit supplies the TCP/IP). Each still has a few little problems I haven't fully resolved, but it probably runs "good enough" at this stage. I have a CLIPPER.KSC file for K95 and for MSKermit that helps get the terminal keys sending what the Clipper app expects. I plan to post those files eventually. If anyone needs them sooner, just email me. > 4) I'm going to be moving in about a month so my > free time is a little short right now. I understand completely and am pleased you could point me in the right direction. > It would be a real help however is people started fixing their termcaps, > or terminfo databases to include the pc capabilities, and sending them to > Eric Raymond. So your terminals will work. I'm interested in this, but don't quite understand. If Eric or Eric or anyone else could explain it a little more, I would appreciate it. Do you mean to _invent_ new capability strings that will then be used by dosemu (for, for example, the Ctrl-PgDn key), or that the capability strings already exist but just aren't listed in the 'linux' terminfo source, or ...? I mention Ctrl-PgDn because it and Ctrl-PgUp are the only keys that don't seem to work for me when using Linux to telnet to the Linux box running dosemu. So, a general explanation would be useful as would any specific suggestion on how to "turn on" the Ctrl-PgDn and Ctrl-PgUp keys. (I do have Ctrl-PgDn and Ctrl-PgUp working when telnetting from K95 or MSKermit.) -- Frank frank.sergeant@pobox.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 1 21:08:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17481 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA10600 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!worldfeed.gte.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.sgi.net!news.sgi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <35EC9B3F.F26AE1A4@sgi.net> From: krsmith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dumbfounded or maybe just dumb Lines: 68 Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 00:55:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: dap05-133030.pgh.sgi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 20:55:05 EDT Organization: Stargate Industries, LLC. Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9162 I am trying to transfer a client's data files from a PDP-11 to a Windows 95 machine through Kermit software Kermit-11 on the PDP-11 and Kermit95 on the Win95 machine through a serial terminal line. I have successfully transfered text files to and from the PDP-11 and Win95 machine on occassion. Meaning that sometimes it works and sometime it don't (the same darn file.) When it doesn't work the error goes from rejected type to rejected name for the text file transfer. I have the the following settings: FILE TYPE = BINARY TRANSFER MODE = MANUAL Questions: 1. Are there other settings beside the default settings that I should be looking at? 2. Are there any nuances between Kermit-11 and C-Kermit (Kermit95)? Thanks in advance for your help kent tech@issdrm.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 2 00:54:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA16209 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA06158 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 00:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 telnet to dosemu under Linux Date: 2 Sep 1998 04:53:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6sij17$r9c$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9164 In article , Frank Sergeant wrote: : : > It would be a real help however is people started fixing their termcaps, : > or terminfo databases to include the pc capabilities, and sending them to : > Eric Raymond. So your terminals will work. : : I'm interested in this, but don't quite understand. If : Eric or Eric or anyone else could explain it a little more, : I would appreciate it. Do you mean to _invent_ new capability : strings that will then be used by dosemu (for, for example, : the Ctrl-PgDn key), or that the capability strings already exist : but just aren't listed in the 'linux' terminfo source, or ...? : I mention Ctrl-PgDn because it and Ctrl-PgUp are the only keys : that don't seem to work for me when using Linux to telnet to : the Linux box running dosemu. So, a general explanation would : be useful as would any specific suggestion on how to "turn on" : the Ctrl-PgDn and Ctrl-PgUp keys. (I do have Ctrl-PgDn and : Ctrl-PgUp working when telnetting from K95 or MSKermit.) : Please do not start inventing new hacks. If there is something you need please ask first because more than likely someone already implemented what you need as part of an international standard. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 2 09:50:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19042 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29834 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 09:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.sys.pdp11,vmsnet.pdp-11,comp.sys.dec Subject: Re: Dumbfounded or maybe just dumb (PDP-11 Kermit) Date: 2 Sep 1998 13:50:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6sjifg$50r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35EC9B3F.F26AE1A4@sgi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9165 alt.sys.pdp11:4129 vmsnet.pdp-11:9849 comp.sys.dec:66794 In article <35EC9B3F.F26AE1A4@sgi.net>, krsmith wrote: : I am trying to transfer a client's data files from a PDP-11 to a Windows : 95 machine through Kermit software Kermit-11 on the PDP-11 and Kermit95 : on the Win95 machine through a serial terminal line. : : I have successfully transfered text files to and from the PDP-11 and : Win95 machine on occassion. Meaning that sometimes it works and : sometime it don't (the same darn file.) When it doesn't work the error : goes from rejected type to rejected name for the text file transfer. : : I have the the following settings: : : FILE TYPE = BINARY : TRANSFER MODE = MANUAL : : Questions: : : 1. Are there other settings beside the default settings that I should : be looking at? : 2. Are there any nuances between Kermit-11 and C-Kermit (Kermit95)? : Yes to both. As noted in the Kermit-11 "beware" file, k11.bwr, and on the PDP-11 Kermit web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pdp11.html Kermit-11 3.60 and earlier has a bug with attribute packets. To work around the bug, tell one Kermit (or both) to: set attributes off Unfortunately 3.60 is the latest (last?) release for RSX. Later releases (with this bug fixed) are available for RT and RSTS. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 3 22:14:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA21525 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA02710 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 22:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: Tito Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Question Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 20:13:05 -0400 Organization: Maison Lines: 2 Message-ID: <35EF3091.2AC8@monmouth.com> Reply-To: Tito@monmouth.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ez-tc-ppp158.monmouth.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9166 Is it possible to sit a GUI based program over Kermit in order to receive mail. Where Can I learn more about Kermit, does anyone know???? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 4 14:39:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA29112 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14214 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!boston-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!mozart.jlc.net!Pgsherm From: gsherman@remove_this.jlc.net (Glenn Sherman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: QNX color Date: Fri, 04 Sep 98 18:36:15 GMT Organization: Granite State Software Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6spbuo$f8d$1@mozart.jlc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm2a-81.dialup.jlc.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9167 I would have emailed this to support, but my ISP's mail server is down and will be for a while. Please respond to this group, so that I can see your response. --------- I have a question about color for Qnx. I am using K95 to telnet to a Qnx machine. I am using terminal type QNX. when logged into the Qnx machine... If I use the editor "qed" or "vedit" I get color. (whatever colors are defined in the editor) If I run my application I get the K95 terminal emulation screen colors from the terminal setup page. (all foreground is lightgray - background is black) If I use Qnx's "ditto" command (which allows me to monitor the main console on the Qnx machine from my terminal) I see my application in color. (whatever colors are used by the application) Any ideas?? Mainly, why running my application straight does not produce the application colors, but other programs do. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glenn S. Sherman gsherman@remove_this.jlc.net Granite State Software (603) 878-4048 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 4 14:58:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05153 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA15081 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: QNX color Date: 4 Sep 1998 18:58:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6spd8e$3kb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6spbuo$f8d$1@mozart.jlc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9168 In article <6spbuo$f8d$1@mozart.jlc.net>, Glenn Sherman wrote: : : I would have emailed this to support, but my ISP's mail server is down : and will be for a while. Please respond to this group, so that I can : see your response. : --------- : : I have a question about color for Qnx. : : I am using K95 to telnet to a Qnx machine. I am using : terminal type QNX. : : when logged into the Qnx machine... : : If I use the editor "qed" or "vedit" I get color. : (whatever colors are defined in the editor) : : If I run my application I get the K95 terminal emulation : screen colors from the terminal setup page. : (all foreground is lightgray - background is black) : : If I use Qnx's "ditto" command (which allows me to monitor : the main console on the Qnx machine from my terminal) : I see my application in color. : (whatever colors are used by the application) : : Any ideas?? Mainly, why running my application straight does : not produce the application colors, but other programs do. : In the same session? It is probably because your application is not sending the color-selection escape sequences, or at least not the right ones. To find out for sure, tell K95 to "log session", then make a new connection to your QNX system, then run your application, then log out, then "close session", and then send the resulting session.log file to kermit-support@columbia.edu as a binary attachment for analysis. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Sep 5 06:44:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA05137 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 06:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA04051 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 06:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: Tito Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Question Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 06:40:19 -0400 Organization: Maison Lines: 6 Message-ID: <35F11513.23BA@monmouth.com> References: <35EF3091.2AC8@monmouth.com> Reply-To: Tito@monmouth.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ez-tc-ppp139.monmouth.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (WinNT; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9170 Tito wrote: > > Is it possible to sit a GUI based program over Kermit in order to > receive mail. Where Can I learn more about Kermit, does anyone know???? Refershing the post. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Sep 5 10:14:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09402 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA15082 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 10:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Question Date: 5 Sep 1998 14:14:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6srh0m$6r7$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35EF3091.2AC8@monmouth.com> <35F11513.23BA@monmouth.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9171 In article <35F11513.23BA@monmouth.com>, Tito wrote: : Tito wrote: : > : > Is it possible to sit a GUI based program over Kermit in order to : > receive mail. Where Can I learn more about Kermit, does anyone know???? : Start at the Kermit website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ If you are asking about Windows 95, 98, or NT, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Sep 6 00:12:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA19724 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 00:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA27751 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 00:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!torn!utnut!news1.chem.utoronto.ca!utgpu!utinfo!nntp From: Duong Minh Vu Subject: Kermit problem in X window X-Nntp-Posting-Host: vapour.dialin.utoronto.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <35F12C96.57DEE626@utoronto.ca> Sender: nntp@campus-news-reading.utoronto.ca (News) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: UTCC Campus Access X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 12:20:38 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (WinNT; I) Lines: 6 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9172 I am using Kermit on Solaris 2.6. The problem is when I transfer files using kermit I have to keep the cursor in the virtual window where kermit is running if I take cursor outside the window the file transfer stops. Can anyone help? Thanks Please reply to duong.vu@utoronto.ca From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Sep 6 06:56:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA11261 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 06:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA17481 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 06:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.89.251.5!news.emanon.net!not-for-mail From: "Evan Chua-Yap" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.terminals Subject: Java implementation of KERMIT protocol Date: 4 Sep 1998 20:01:37 GMT Organization: Emanon Service Corp - +1 609 858 9888 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bdd83b$668d7aa0$402903a7@ezc-se> NNTP-Posting-Host: sedh041064.qad.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9173 comp.lang.java.programmer:178946 comp.terminals:12603 hello all! has anyone come across such a (java) library or package?? i'm particularly interested in kermit's unicode terminal emulation features. thanks for any help/info/tip. evan ezc@qad.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 7 03:37:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA17589 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 03:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA25301 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 03:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-nyc.telia.net!ubnnews.unisource.ch!not-for-mail From: Andy Mannhart Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit sends error message Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 09:31:17 +0200 Organization: Unisource Business Networks Lines: 15 Message-ID: <35F38BC5.71AE@spin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppprc23.spin.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ubnnews.unisource.ch 905153785 61 (None) 195.65.114.23 X-Complaints-To: news@ubnnews.unisource.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9175 Hello We are using C-Kermit to transfer data from an MVS-machine to a VMS database server. The transfer process has performed well for about 7 years now. But suddenly, we are getting the message ?Sent too many NAKs. It seems as this could be a message of Kermit itself. Does anyone know the meaning of this? What we found out until now is that the connection process has got very,very low. We also have replaced the terminals involved - no effect at all and still the same error message. Thanks very much for any hint! Andy Mannhart, Swiss Post e-mail: mannharta@post.ch From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 7 15:09:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA22573 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA22476 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.terminals Subject: Re: Java implementation of KERMIT protocol Date: 7 Sep 1998 19:09:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6t1b1t$r1t$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bdd83b$668d7aa0$402903a7@ezc-se> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9177 comp.lang.java.programmer:179133 comp.terminals:12607 In article <01bdd83b$668d7aa0$402903a7@ezc-se>, Evan Chua-Yap wrote: : hello all! : : has anyone come across such a (java) library or package?? i'm : particularly : interested in kermit's unicode terminal emulation features. : : thanks for any help/info/tip. : : evan : ezc@qad.com : The Kermit Project has not implemented either Kermit File Transfer Protocol nor any full featured communications software for Java. We do not yet see a high enough demand for Java applications and Java applets should not have the permissions to perform file system access. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 7 15:12:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA22784 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA22571 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Error message of C-Kermit Date: 7 Sep 1998 19:12:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6t1b6u$r4u$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35F38F24.3CF6@spin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9178 In article <35F38F24.3CF6@spin.ch>, Andy Mannhart wrote: : Hello : : We are using C-Kermit to transfer data from an MVS-machine to a VMS : database server. The transfer process has performed well for about 7 : years now. But suddenly, we are getting the message ?Sent too many NAKs. : It seems as this could be a message of Kermit itself. Does anyone know : the meaning of this? What we found out until now is that the connection : process has got very,very low. We also have replaced the terminals : involved - no effect at all and still the same error message. : : Thanks very much for any hint! : : Andy Mannhart, Swiss Post : e-mail: mannharta@post.ch : A NAK is an indication that a packet was either received damaged or was not received at all. If the packet retry limit is reached the file transfer will be terminated and the error message "?Sent too many NAKs." will be sent. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 7 17:19:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14952 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA08528 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 17:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit problem in X window Date: 7 Sep 1998 21:19:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6t1ill$187$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35F12C96.57DEE626@utoronto.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9179 In article <35F12C96.57DEE626@utoronto.ca>, Duong Minh Vu wrote: : I am using Kermit on Solaris 2.6. The problem is when I transfer files : using kermit I have to keep the cursor in the virtual window where : kermit is running if I take cursor outside the window the file transfer : stops. Can anyone help? : Not me. I haven't a clue. C-Kermit should be totally ignorant of whether its window is current, and the X Windows system should let C-Kermit run no matter where the cursor is. Unfortunately I don't have a Sun workstation where I can test this myself, so I hope somebody else can shed some light. I assume it is either a misunderstanding, a coincidence, or some kind of X Windows or xterm configuration problem. What about other applications? Does the same thing happen with them, or is C-Kermit the only one? On HP-UX, under HP-Vue, which is X-based, there is no such problem. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 8 23:45:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA17608 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA29564 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 23:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.terminals Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!gerlach From: gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H. Gerlach) Subject: Re: Java implementation of KERMIT protocol Message-ID: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <01bdd83b$668d7aa0$402903a7@ezc-se> <6t1b1t$r1t$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 03:41:22 GMT Lines: 20 Sender: gerlach@netcom15.netcom.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9180 comp.lang.java.programmer:179445 comp.terminals:12611 > >The Kermit Project has not implemented either Kermit File Transfer >Protocol nor any full featured communications software for Java. >We do not yet see a high enough demand for Java applications and >Java applets should not have the permissions to perform file >system access. > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 > The Kermit Project * Columbia University > 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org We looked at serial port control from Java recently. One problem is that there is really no "java standard" for serial port access. Sun has proposed one and implmented it it for Solaris, but it is not part of the Java Virtual Machine per se. We ended up having our Java application telnet into the UNIX server and run ckermit! Matthew From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 9 00:19:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA20659 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA01293 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 00:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.terminals Subject: Re: Java implementation of KERMIT protocol Date: 9 Sep 1998 04:19:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6t4vkv$r0o$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bdd83b$668d7aa0$402903a7@ezc-se> <6t1b1t$r1t$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9181 comp.lang.java.programmer:179449 comp.terminals:12612 In article , Matthew H. Gerlach wrote: : : We looked at serial port control from Java recently. One problem : is that there is really no "java standard" for serial port access. Sun : has proposed one and implmented it it for Solaris, but it is not part of the : Java Virtual Machine per se. We ended up having our Java application : telnet into the UNIX server and run ckermit! : : Matthew I wasn't even thinking about Kermit over serial i/o since Java is designed for communications via TCP/IP. Kermit is not just for transfering files over serial devices. Kermit is used to transfer files over transport medium or combination thereof. It is particularly good in a TCP/IP environment as a means of providing file transfers when more than one firewall exists in the communication path or when TCP/IP is used in conjunction with another transport medium such as serial i/o, X.25, LU6.2, or LAT. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 9 10:48:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01443 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA23972 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "sysadmin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit binaries Date: 9 Sep 1998 14:46:42 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <6t64ci$l90@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.162.163 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9183 I downloaded some kermit files a couple of months back and want to explode them; but I have no idea what format they are in; they are not .tar or .gz I got these from sunsite i beleive Anybody familiar with these files? TIA if you know :) Joe 243 root /tmp> /joe/tarfiles/c_kermit/ckuker.rs6aix32c-3.2.5 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 9 11:07:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07170 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA24829 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit binaries Date: 9 Sep 1998 15:07:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6t65iu$830$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6t64ci$l90@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9184 In article <6t64ci$l90@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, sysadmin wrote: : I downloaded some kermit files a couple of months back and want to explode : them; but I have no idea what format they are in; they are not .tar or .gz : I got these from sunsite i beleive : The right place to get Kermit files is: http://www.kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/ If you got them at Sunsite, who knows what they are, how old they are, etc. : Anybody familiar with these files? : TIA if you know :) : : 243 root /tmp> /joe/tarfiles/c_kermit/ckuker.rs6aix32c-3.2.5 : This is the C-Kermit binary for AIX 3.2.5. Just rename it to "kermit", chmod +x, give it any needed owner and/or group, and/or suid/sgid bits, and off you go. Note that there are numerous auxilliary files that go with C-Kermit, such as man page, detailed installation instructions, etc. These are all available from the Kermit website. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 9 15:16:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04717 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08034 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems compiling Kermit Date: 9 Sep 1998 19:16:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 80 Message-ID: <6t6k6a$g3v$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01J1LNSCCQV6003UJK@acs.wooster.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:185794 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9185 In article <01J1LNSCCQV6003UJK@acs.wooster.edu>, Lee Schultz wrote: : : Software: : Kermit 6.0.192 : AXP/VMS v7.1-1h1 : DecC v5.7 : Multinet v4.1a : : Note that I am NOT a "C" programmer. : : Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated. : You are perfectly welcome to report problems with C-Kermit directly to kermit-support@columbia.edu. : When compiling Kermit on the Alpha, I get the following error messages: : : Starting [...]CKVKER.COM;3 on HOLMES at 8-SEP-1998 11:45:50.28 : DECC compiler found : C compiler: DECC, options: /decc, command: CC : Operating System: OpenVMS(tm) Alpha : : 'CC' 'CCOPT' KSP:ckcmai : #if _POSIX_C_SOURCE >= 2 || !defined _POSIX_C_SOURCE : ....................^ : %CC-W-BADCONSTEXPR, Syntax error in constant expression. : at line number 127 in module UNISTD of text library : SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$RTLDEF.TLB;1 : This will be fixed in the next release. The fix is in the file CKCDEB.H. Please find this: #ifndef _POSIX_C_SOURCE #define _POSIX_C_SOURCE #endif /* _POSIX_C_SOURCE */ Change it to this: #ifndef _POSIX_C_SOURCE #define _POSIX_C_SOURCE 1 #endif /* _POSIX_C_SOURCE */ (Add a definition of "1"). : _PROTOTYP( void bzero, (char *, int) ); : ^ : %CC-E-PARMTYPLIST, Ill-formed parameter type list. : at line number 549 in file COLLEGE$WOOSTER:[KERMIT.CURRENT.SRC]CKCNET.H;3 : : _PROTOTYP( void bcopy, (char *, char *, int) ); : ^ : %CC-E-NOTCOMPAT, In this declaration, the type of "__MEMMOVE" is not : compatible with the type of a previous declaration of "__MEMMOVE" at line : number 274 in file SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DECC$RTLDEF.TLB;1. : Now these two are interesting. bzero() and bcopy() are not very portable, and yet they are widely used in networking code. If you look higher up in CKCNET.H, you'll see that we #define bzero and bcopy to be memset and memcopy (with appropriate argument rearrangement), but only if SVR4 (System V Release 4) or EXCELAN is defined, and then only if UNIX is also defined. But none of those is defined in a VMS build. So I have no idea how bcopy() could have been #define'd as memmove (as the diagnostic above demonstrates to be the case), unless it's happening somewhere else. I'd like to know why this is happening, and fix it, but without access to your configuration, it's hard to say. However, you might be able to mask the problem as follows: #ifndef bzero _PROTOTYP( void bzero, (char *, int) ); #endif /* bzero */ #ifndef bcopy _PROTOTYP( void bcopy, (char *, char *, int) ); #endif /* bcopy */ Please follow up directly to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 10 09:07:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13188 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA13377 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!165.166.15.4!news3.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: Ray Timmons Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K-95 problem after MS DUN 1.3 upgrade Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:28:03 -0400 Organization: Aiken Technical College Lines: 17 Message-ID: <35F7C5D3.756E2FE7@aik.tec.sc.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: note.aik.tec.sc.us Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 905430073 16550 199.4.146.197 (10 Sep 1998 12:21:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news3.infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Sep 1998 12:21:13 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9187 I made the mistake of installing the Microsoft DUN 1.3 upgrade. Now when I click connect on K-95 ver 1.1.15 using direct tcp/ip connection (not dial up), I get an error that says - "A change to the system configuration requires that all telephony applications be closed before any progress. Some have not done so yet." There are no other applications running. But after about a 2 minute wait, up pops the connection window. And everything is fine, until I try to open a second connection and the error and the wait repeat. I know this is something the Microsoft DUN upgrade did but does anybody have a hint of what to do to stop this? Ray T. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 10 12:55:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01424 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA24818 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-feed1.tiac.net!posterchild2!news@tiac.net From: "Art L." Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit to MVS upload problems after upgrade to version 6 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 12:54:14 -0400 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Lines: 109 Message-ID: <35F80436.669@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ccraft.tiac.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9188 We have been having problems transfering files between C-Kermit on SCO UNIX and Kermit on a IBM 390 mainframe running MVS. We had no problems until we upgraded our C-Kermit version from 5.190 to 6.192. The problem is that there several retry errors during the transmission. I don't have much information on the mainframe version other than it is old. We are connected thru a dialup connection via a local GTE Data Services phone number. The only kermit settings I was told to use are: control quote=35 max pack 1024 no pad characters eol=13 CRC=1 byte checksum Block start =1 The files I am transferring are text only. My show proto command shows the following: Protocol: Kermit Protocol Parameters: Send Receive Timeout (used= 5): 5* 15 Server Timeout: 0 Padding: 0 0 Block Check: 1 Pad Character: 0 0 Delay: 1 Packet Start: 1 1 Max Retries: 10 Packet End: 13 13 Packet Length: 1024 1024 Maximum Length: 9024 9024 Window Size: 3 set, 0 used Buffer Size: 9065 9065 Locking-Shift: enabled, not used Packet timeouts: dynamic 1:0 Auto-upload command (binary): kermit -ir Auto-upload command (text): kermit -r Transfer character-set: transparent Transfer mode: automatic Transfer slow-start: on Attributes: on Cancellation: on 3 3 Send / Receive Pause: 0 (msec) I have experimented with set prefixing all/cautious/minimal/none which only creates more retries per packet. The best I have seen is approx 1 retry for every packet sent. The following is an example of my display after a file upload (I am connecting at 14.4K): Current Directory: /usr2/clients/cc Communication Device: /dev/tty2A Communication Speed: 38400 Parity: even RTT/Timeout: 01 / 04 SENDING: /tmp/neicbatch.dat => NEICBATCH.DAT => CLAIMS.DATA File Type: TEXT (no translation) File Size: 34820 Percent Done: 100 ////////////////////////////////////////////////// ...10...20...30...40...50...60...70...80...90..100 Elapsed Time: 00:00:25 Transfer Rate, CPS: 1392 Window Slots: 1 of 1 Packet Type: % Packet Count: 20 Packet Length: 8 Error Count: 22 Last Error: (resend) Last Message: Files: 1, Bytes: 34820, 1392 CPS Any help would be greatly appreciated. Art Lucey Compu-Craft From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 10 13:25:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11279 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA26453 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit to MVS upload problems after upgrade to version 6 Date: 10 Sep 1998 17:25:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 63 Message-ID: <6t922i$5o$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35F80436.669@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9189 In article <35F80436.669@yahoo.com>, Art L. wrote: : We have been having problems transfering files between C-Kermit on SCO : UNIX and Kermit on a IBM 390 mainframe running MVS. We had no problems : until we upgraded our C-Kermit version from 5.190 to 6.192. The problem : is that there several retry errors during the transmission. I don't : have much information on the mainframe version other than it is old. We : are connected thru a dialup connection via a local GTE Data Services : phone number. The only kermit settings I was told to use are: : : control quote=35 : This is the default anyway. : max pack 1024 : The command for this is SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 1024. As noted in the manual, if a particular packet length results in trouble, then try a shorter one. : no pad characters : eol=13 : CRC=1 byte checksum : Block start =1 : These are the defaults anyway. : Packet Length: 1024 1024 Window Size: 3 set, 0 used : Nothing suspicious here, except that you have also given the command: SET WINDOW 3 which you did not mention above. But Kermit-370 does not do sliding windows. This should cause no harm, since C-Kermit will negotiate down. But neither does it serve any useful purpose. : Packet timeouts: dynamic 1:0 : This is a difference between C-Kermit 5A and 6.0, that might account for some retries. : The following is an example of my display after a file upload (I am : connecting at 14.4K): : : Transfer Rate, CPS: 1392 : Error Count: 22 : Last Error: (resend) : Well, first off, this is not so bad. 1392 cps on a 1440 cps connection is pretty good throughput for a half-duplex connection. However, you should be able to eliminate the retries if C-Kermit 5A did not get them on exactly the same connection. The most likely culprit is the new dynamic timeout feature, in which C-Kermit tries to figure out the packet round-trip time a per-packet basis, rather than using a fixed timeout. Try giving C-Kermit a command like: SET SEND TIMEOUT 8 FIXED This disables the dynamic timeouts and selects a fixed 8-second timeout. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 10 14:04:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA27242 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA28638 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit to MVS upload problems after upgrade to version 6 Date: 10 Sep 1998 18:04:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6t94ao$jr$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35F80436.669@yahoo.com> <6t922i$5o$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9190 Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <35F80436.669@yahoo.com>, Art L. wrote: : : We have been having problems transfering files between C-Kermit on SCO : : UNIX and Kermit on a IBM 390 mainframe running MVS. We had no problems : : until we upgraded our C-Kermit version from 5.190 to 6.192. ... : : max pack 1024 : : : The command for this is SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 1024. : As noted in the manual, if a particular packet length results in trouble, : then try a shorter one. Note that there are two packet length limits. If you get errors only on uploading to the mainframe, the C-Kermit receive packet length limit won't make any difference -- for that situation, you might examine the send packet length (or, equivalently, the receive packet length limit on the mainframe Kermit). However, if the problems started only when you upgraded C-K, it does seem unlikely that the packet lengths are the direct cause. John Chandler From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 14 20:05:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16718 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA15270 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!165.166.15.4!news3.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: Ray Timmons Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K-95 problem after MS DUN 1.3 upgrade Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 20:08:57 -0400 Organization: Aiken Technical College Lines: 26 Message-ID: <35FDB019.4276EE86@aik.tec.sc.us> References: <35F7C5D3.756E2FE7@aik.tec.sc.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: note.aik.tec.sc.us Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 905817711 30153 199.4.146.197 (15 Sep 1998 00:01:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news3.infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Sep 1998 00:01:51 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9197 Answering my own question - I noticed that DUN 1.3 added two dial up adapters. I deleted them and the problem went away. Ray T. Ray Timmons wrote: > > I made the mistake of installing the Microsoft DUN 1.3 > upgrade. Now when I click connect on K-95 ver 1.1.15 > using direct tcp/ip connection (not dial up), I get an > error that says - > "A change to the system configuration requires that all > telephony applications be closed before any progress. > Some have not done so yet." > There are no other applications running. But after > about a 2 minute wait, up pops the connection window. > And everything is fine, until I try to open a second > connection and the error and the wait repeat. > > I know this is something the Microsoft DUN upgrade did > but does anybody have a hint of what to do to stop > this? > > Ray T. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 15 17:25:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02437 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA20477 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-2!wolfe.paralynx.net!paralynx!paralynx-4!van-bc!paralynx!paralynx-1!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "sysadmin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: WHY:is it possible kermit adds linefeeds? Date: 15 Sep 1998 21:24:52 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6tmlv4$ra0@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.162.106 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9198 Listen closely: File in AIX Use C-Kermit program from Columbia s filename Receive file File is same except has linefeeds per each LINE What in tarnation?? What the ##@$%^! is going on? OTHER protocols don't DO THAT TIA >:<> -- =========================================== Opinions my own and not representative of my employer Do not listen to me: I have brain damage =========================================== "Spock! We're talking about millions of lives!" Spock (raised eyebrow) "Nevertheless, if the Romulans are indeed an offshoot of Vulcan blood,... it is imperative we attack." From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 15 17:38:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA08292 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA21218 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 17:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: WHY:is it possible kermit adds linefeeds? Date: 15 Sep 1998 21:38:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6tmmpc$4tp$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6tmlv4$ra0@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9199 In article <6tmlv4$ra0@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, sysadmin wrote: : Listen closely: : File in AIX : Use C-Kermit program from Columbia : s filename : Receive file : File is same except has linefeeds per each LINE : What in tarnation?? : What the ##@$%^! is going on? OTHER protocols don't DO THAT : TIA >:<> : As explained in the documentation, Kermit's default transfer mode is text. In otherwise, if you don't specify otherwise, Kermit sends files in text mode. The transfer format for text files uses CRLF for line termination. The receiving Kermit program is supposed to translate between this format and its own text format, whatever that is (LF, CRLF, CR, fixed-length records, etc). What kind of computer are you sending the file to, and what Kermit software are you using on it? If you want C-Kermit to send the file in binary mode, tell it to "set file type binary" before sending. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 15 20:40:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22052 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA00671 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 20:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "sysadmin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: WHY:is it possible kermit adds linefeeds? Date: 15 Sep 1998 22:54:56 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6tmr80$me5@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <6tmlv4$ra0@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <6tmmpc$4tp$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.162.106 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9200 Yes this is the answer; i notice default on kermit is 7 bit also FYI -- =========================================== Opinions my own and not representative of my employer Do not listen to me: I have brain damage =========================================== "Spock! We're talking about millions of lives!" Spock (raised eyebrow) "Nevertheless, if the Romulans are indeed an offshoot of Vulcan blood,... it is imperative we attack." Frank da Cruz wrote in message <6tmmpc$4tp$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <6tmlv4$ra0@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, >sysadmin wrote: >: Listen closely: >: File in AIX >: Use C-Kermit program from Columbia >: s filename >: Receive file >: File is same except has linefeeds per each LINE >: What in tarnation?? >: What the ##@$%^! is going on? OTHER protocols don't DO THAT >: TIA >:<> >: >As explained in the documentation, Kermit's default transfer mode >is text. In otherwise, if you don't specify otherwise, Kermit >sends files in text mode. The transfer format for text files >uses CRLF for line termination. The receiving Kermit program is >supposed to translate between this format and its own text >format, whatever that is (LF, CRLF, CR, fixed-length records, >etc). What kind of computer are you sending the file to, and >what Kermit software are you using on it? > >If you want C-Kermit to send the file in binary mode, tell it >to "set file type binary" before sending. > >- Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 15 22:38:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09585 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA06614 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: Scott Sampson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Searchable archive of Kermit newsgroup Date: 15 Sep 1998 19:37:09 PDT Organization: Thermeon Corporation Lines: 6 Message-ID: <35FF2629.2F339622@thermeon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: anx-ana4247.deltanet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9201 Greetings, Does anyone know where there is a searchable archive of this newsgroup? Thanks in advance. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 15 23:03:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA12731 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA07639 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: Scott Sampson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: APC to turn on caps lock key Date: 15 Sep 1998 20:03:24 PDT Organization: Thermeon Corporation Message-ID: <35FF2C59.14A75CAE@thermeon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: anx-ana4247.deltanet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Lines: 3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9202 Is there a way to use an APC command so my Unix host can turn on the caps lock key on my K95 client? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 15 23:07:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA13008 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA07880 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: Scott Sampson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: set login userid \%1 not working Date: 15 Sep 1998 20:06:50 PDT Organization: Thermeon Corporation Lines: 5 Message-ID: <35FF2D1E.D61C80CA@thermeon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: anx-ana3211.deltanet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9203 Using K95, I want to prompt user for name before making SRP telnet connection. I am unable to make the variable entered in the 'ask' command work in the 'set login userid' command. Does someone have an example to show how it is done? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 16 00:05:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA22414 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA11131 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: APC to turn on caps lock key Date: 16 Sep 1998 04:04:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6tndda$h6b$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35FF2C59.14A75CAE@thermeon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9204 In article <35FF2C59.14A75CAE@thermeon.com>, Scott Sampson wrote: : Is there a way to use an APC command so my Unix host can turn on the : caps lock key on my K95 client? : No. An APC may only contain valid Kermit commands and there is no Kermit command to toggle the CAPSLOCK key. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 16 00:46:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA00203 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA12330 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: set login userid \%1 not working Date: 16 Sep 1998 04:46:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6tnfqs$im0$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35FF2D1E.D61C80CA@thermeon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9205 In article <35FF2D1E.D61C80CA@thermeon.com>, Scott Sampson wrote: : Using K95, I want to prompt user for name before making SRP telnet : connection. I am unable to make the variable entered in the 'ask' : command work in the 'set login userid' command. Does someone have an : example to show how it is done? : I do not remember why command quoting is turned off for the SET LOGIN USER and SET TELNET ENVIRONMENT USER commands but it is and the result is that those commands will not evaluate variables. However, all is not lost. You can do what you want in a slightly roundabout manner. ASK \%1 {Username? } ASSIGN SET_LOGIN_USER SET LOGIN USER \%1 DO SET_LOGIN_USER UNDEF SET_LOGIN_USER What this sequence does is create a macro called SET_LOGIN_USER whose definition is "SET LOGIN USER " where is the contents of \%1 as retrieved in the ASK command. The DO command is then used to execute the macro definition and UNDEF is used to undefine the macro. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 16 00:50:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA00867 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA12438 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: APC to turn on caps lock key Message-ID: Sender: jhurwit@netcom15.netcom.com Organization: Less and less each day.. References: <35FF2C59.14A75CAE@thermeon.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 03:00:43 GMT Lines: 13 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9206 In article <35FF2C59.14A75CAE@thermeon.com>, Scott Sampson wrote: >Is there a way to use an APC command so my Unix host can turn on the >caps lock key on my K95 client? If you can find a utility for your PC that does that, your unix host can probably have K95 run it through an APC command. You'll probably have to set 'APC unchecked' on K95 for it to work, though. -- jhurwit@netcom.com Jeffrey Hurwit "Sometimes, I just can't help myself!" --Babs Bunny From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 16 01:52:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA14218 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA15555 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.103.147.20!news.voicenet.com!news3.voicenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Christopher Mosley Subject: Re: APC to turn on caps lock key Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <35FF2C59.14A75CAE@thermeon.com> <6tndda$h6b$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980514 (UNIX) (SunOS/5.6 (sun4m)) Lines: 67 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 05:51:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.71.48.250 X-Trace: news3.voicenet.com 905925113 209.71.48.250 (Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:51:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:51:53 EDT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9208 Jeffrey Altman wrote: > In article <35FF2C59.14A75CAE@thermeon.com>, > Scott Sampson wrote: > : Is there a way to use an APC command so my Unix host can turn on the > : caps lock key on my K95 client? > > No. An APC may only contain valid Kermit commands and there is no > Kermit command to toggle the CAPSLOCK key. I don't use kermit 95, I use 3.15 for dos and find APC very useful. The mskermit "run doscommand " command allows someone to run commands on the local machine - when apc unchecked is toggled on . I don't know how apc works with kermit95? Someone recently suggested giving permission in the local .ini file for only certain macros to be used as apc strings - without generally allowing access to the local machine. Though this might not be absolutely secure, it could be an _additional_ and very useful option. If there is a "run command" wih K95 and what that command can do will be obvious to someone who uses kermit95 - but I just don't know. What would prevent the implementation of "run" on K95 is not obvious to me right now, though the great utility of having this ability - is. It also seems that turning on capslock either with a dos or windows program is very possible - whether such a program can readily be found instead of written is another question. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 17 13:44:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04514 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA26959 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 13:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.unixware.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: looking for paging notification software Date: 17 Sep 1998 17:44:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 122 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <6trhp4$l26$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6tojgu$1mp$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6tot43$6ju$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6tpahb$vbq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.questions:130890 comp.unix.solaris:174263 comp.unix.unixware.misc:30898 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9212 comp.dcom.modems:239957 In article <6tpahb$vbq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : A couple more questions: : : 1. Is the TAP protocol, as you say below, something that : is installed on the sending computer, i.e my computer which : contains my application that sends pages? I can't assume : anything about the paging service provider or the receiving side. : C-Kermit 6.0 comes with a script that implements the TAP protocol: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pagers.html Whether you can send an alpha page depends on the paging service. : 2. My pages need to work in numeric-only pagers, but if : a client has an alpha pager, would the mechanism I : use to send pages to numeric-only pagers work? : No. There is a fundamental difference between numeric and alpha pages. Numeric pages are sent by dialing a number and then, after it answers, entering the message by pushing additional numbers on the telephone keypad, i.e. sending DTMF signals (Touch Tones). If you are using a modem, all the modem does is dial -- none of its modulation/demodulation/protocol features are engaged at all. Alpha pages are sent over a modem-to-modem connection. A modem must answer on the far end, and carrier is required. The message is sent as characters rather than DTMF tones. There are, in fact, three ways to send an alpha page. First, you can make a voice call to the paging service and speak to human who transcribes the message and pager ID, and then sends the page. Second, you can dial the paging service with a modem and a terminal or emulator, and type in the pager ID and message in an interactive dialog. Third, you can dial the paging service with a computer and modem and use Telocator Alphanumeric Protocol to send the page. The third is best because it includes error detection and correction (checksums, retranmission, etc) and confirmation that the page was sent. The second method might seem easier, and can be scripted, but lacks not only error detection/correction and confirmation, but also a uniform interface -- every paging service uses a different dialog. : 3. Is there any example code that uses C-Kermit for : sending numeric pages. How reliable is it? : C-Kermit simply sends a dialing command to the modem, and therefore must depend on the capabilities of the modem, since Kermit itself (or any other software running on your computer) does not have access to the sounds (waveforms) on the telephone line. Only the modem "hears" them and can interpret them (as you would if you were using a real telephone), and pass along the interpretation to the computer in the form of result codes. It's all done in the dial string that is sent to the modem. Example: ATDT7654321@123456#; This works if your modem treats "@" as a command to "wait for quiet answer" (i.e. phone answers but there is no carrier). However, some modems don't implement this very well, or at all, or consistently with other modems. In that case, you need hardwired pauses: ATDT7654321,,,,123456#; One comma = 2 seconds (unless change the modem's default configuration); use as many as necessary according to what your paging service does when it answers the phone (speaks a long message, plays Muzak for 5 minutes, etc). In some cases, a combination might work best: ATDT7654321@,,,,123456#; (wait for answer, and then wait for recorded message to stop playing). The message, in this example "123456" is normally terminated by "#", and the final ";" tells the modem to return to command mode immediately rather than wait for carrier, since there never will be carrier. Thus the Kermit commands are quite simple: set modem type usr ; or whatever you have set line /dev/cua0 ; or whatever device you are using set speed 2400 ; doesn't really matter much dial 7654321@123456#; ; send the page At this point the modem will respond with OK, or maybe NO DIALTONE, BUSY, or (if we are lucky) NO ANSWER (depending on how well the "@" works), and then Kermit will report success or failure depending on what the modem said. How reliable is it? This is not really a question about the software, it's a question about the modem. In my experience, most modems do not handle this task well at all. Also, it's a question of whether the paging service lets you "type ahead" -- what happens if tones are sent while a recorded message is playing? Etc etc. All of this is beyond software control; all the software can do is ask the modem to dial -- the rest is up to the modem. And the paging service. To achieve the best possible reliability requires rather intensive study of your modem manual, detailed observation of the behavior of the paging service under a variety of conditions, and much experimentation. Even then, there can be no guarantees that the paging service will get the message, or that the paging service will relay the message to the pager, or that the person carrying the pager will notice the message. TAP solves the first problem. The second problem is solved by paging services that hold the message until the pager confirms receipt (these are called 2-way paging services). But the only solution for the last problem is to require a some form of reply from the pagee, such as a voice callback. I suspect that some modems will perform better than others. In fact, modems could be built that were well suited to numeric paging, but they would need some different functions than modems we have now. And paging services would need to be changed to work with these modems. For example, modems would need a real "wait for answer" (as opposed to the "@" directive, whose definition is usually something like "wait for 5 seconds of silence), and then the paging service would need to emit a special tone when it was ready to receive the page, similar to the "bong" sent when making credit-card calls. Then you could use the modem's "wait for bong" feature (if it has one) before sending the page, to ensure it is not sent before the service is ready for it. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Sep 19 11:45:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06094 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 11:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA27307 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 11:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!post.servtech.com!hal9000.buf.servtech.com!spamguard!rchandra From: rchandra.spamguard@spamguard.letter.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: set login userid \%1 not working Date: 19 Sep 1998 15:34:05 GMT Organization: Verio New York Lines: 39 Message-ID: <6u0itd$742$1@post.servtech.com> References: <35FF2D1E.D61C80CA@thermeon.com> <6tnfqs$im0$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: rchandra.spamguard@spamguard.letter.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hal9000.buf.servtech.com Originator: 0x804b6c0@0x804b560 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9214 In article <6tnfqs$im0$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: >I do not remember why command quoting is turned off for the >SET LOGIN USER and SET TELNET ENVIRONMENT USER commands but >it is and the result is that those commands will not evaluate >variables. > >However, all is not lost. You can do what you want in a slightly >roundabout manner. > > ASK \%1 {Username? } > ASSIGN SET_LOGIN_USER SET LOGIN USER \%1 > DO SET_LOGIN_USER > UNDEF SET_LOGIN_USER > >What this sequence does is create a macro called SET_LOGIN_USER >whose definition is "SET LOGIN USER " where is >the contents of \%1 as retrieved in the ASK command. The DO >command is then used to execute the macro definition and UNDEF >is used to undefine the macro. > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 > The Kermit Project * Columbia University > 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org Wow! This is quite handy. Nice hack. I also notice that "set host" can't take variables. Basically, I wanted to use the "host" program to look up my MX record and use it as an argument to set host so that I can send an ETRN command (open !read ..., set host \%h 25). But that didn't quite work :^(. So the most I have now is a warning in my syslog that my mail exchanger host may have changed, and that I'd better update my script. Now you've given me a good idea to "update" it permanently! :^) :^) :^) -- Oooooo-oooo-oooo-ooooo, Oooooo-oooo-oooo-ooooo, Ooooo-weem-oh-wum-ooo-ayyy In the jungle, the silicon jungle, the process sleeps tonight. Joe Philipps http://www.servtech.com/~rchandra/ You know what you have to do to send email to me successfully :^) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Sep 19 12:00:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06889 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 12:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA28155 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 12:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!post.servtech.com!hal9000.buf.servtech.com!spamguard!rchandra From: rchandra.spamguard@spamguard.letter.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: looking for paging notification software Date: 19 Sep 1998 15:47:17 GMT Organization: Verio New York Lines: 18 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <6u0jm5$75o$1@post.servtech.com> References: <6tojgu$1mp$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6tot43$6ju$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6tpahb$vbq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6trhp4$l26$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: rchandra.spamguard@spamguard.letter.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hal9000.buf.servtech.com Originator: 0x804b6c0@0x804b560 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9215 comp.dcom.modems:240186 One thing I might note here is that at least some paging services have both DTMF and TAP terminals, and as long as the "payload" of the TAP block contains only digits (no alphabetic, special, or other characters, with the possible exception of "-"), numeric pagers can receive the message just fine. This is true of Arch in the Buffalo, NY, USA area, and quite possibly everywhere Arch operates. Also, many paging services, including Arch, have Web-to-pager and email-to-pager gateways. For example, the one for my pager is pager-number-including-areacode@epage.arch.com. Since some of these send text (they extract the From: and Subject: lines from the email message), they are unsuitable for number-only pagers. (You usually get a page, but the screen is blank when you try to read the page.) -- Oooooo-oooo-oooo-ooooo, Oooooo-oooo-oooo-ooooo, Ooooo-weem-oh-wum-ooo-ayyy In the jungle, the silicon jungle, the process sleeps tonight. Joe Philipps http://www.servtech.com/~rchandra/ You know what you have to do to send email to me successfully :^) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Sep 19 12:51:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11831 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 12:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA00670 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 12:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: set login userid \%1 not working Date: 19 Sep 1998 16:43:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6u0n03$8t6$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35FF2D1E.D61C80CA@thermeon.com> <6tnfqs$im0$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6u0itd$742$1@post.servtech.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9216 In article <6u0itd$742$1@post.servtech.com>, wrote: : Wow! This is quite handy. Nice hack. I also notice that "set host" : can't take variables. Basically, I wanted to use the "host" program : to look up my MX record and use it as an argument to set host so that : I can send an ETRN command (open !read ..., set host \%h 25). But : that didn't quite work :^(. So the most I have now is a warning in my : syslog that my mail exchanger host may have changed, and that I'd : better update my script. Now you've given me a good idea to "update" : it permanently! :^) :^) :^) What version of Kermit are you using that variables in the SET HOST command do not work? Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Sep 20 20:22:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22919 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA05367 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 20 Sep 1998 20:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Scott" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can't get a transfer to work efficiently over a connection with a LanRover in-between. Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:40:48 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6u43q3$fn2$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust8.tnt4.atl2.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-ELN-Date: Sun Sep 20 16:40:55 1998 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9217 Using kermit on AIX. Dial into a LanRover, then use the lanrover's telnet command to get to another Unix box. When attempting to transfer a file from my local machine to the remote, I get tons of timeout errors, unless I bump the packet-length down to its minimum of 12 (with 4 windows). It seems like there is a flow-control problem, but I have been unsuccessful in explaining/fixing this problem. Does anybody have a suggestion? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 21 01:19:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA29235 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 01:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA18722 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 01:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: Scott Sampson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: unexpected telnet disconnects Date: 20 Sep 1998 22:19:31 PDT Organization: Thermeon Corporation Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3605E3BC.F1906407@thermeon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: anx-ana1141.deltanet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9219 Greetings, Using K95 1.1.17, telnet SRP/CAST encrypted sessions over internet, get occasional unexpected disconnects immediately when user types some data after sitting idle for several minutes. I believe I have eliminated keepalive, active close from remote, DUN, tcp retransmit timeout, user error, ... from list of possible culprits. What suggestions do you have to help find the cause? Does Kermit have some (default?) rules that may cause disconnects? Thanks in advance for your assistance, and thanks also for rapid answers to previous questions. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 21 01:25:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00731 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 01:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA18867 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 01:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!207.155.183.80.MISMATCH!global-news-master From: Scott Sampson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: control-c not sent until alt-x pressed twice Date: 20 Sep 1998 22:24:57 PDT Organization: Thermeon Corporation Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3605E505.B176378A@thermeon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: anx-ana3208.deltanet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9220 Using K95 1.1.17 telnet SRP/CAST encrypted sessions, after connecting ctrl-c is not sent over connection, but then do alt-x twice and then ctrl-c does get sent. Is this intentional? Why does switching between connect & command mode and back change behaviour? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 21 09:39:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA21343 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA04658 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: unexpected telnet disconnects Date: 21 Sep 1998 13:39:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6u5kts$kqs$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3605E3BC.F1906407@thermeon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9222 In article <3605E3BC.F1906407@thermeon.com>, Scott Sampson wrote: : Greetings, : : Using K95 1.1.17, telnet SRP/CAST encrypted sessions over internet, get : occasional unexpected disconnects immediately when user types some data : after sitting idle for several minutes. : : I believe I have eliminated keepalive, active close from remote, DUN, : tcp retransmit timeout, user error, ... from list of possible culprits. : : What suggestions do you have to help find the cause? Does Kermit have : some (default?) rules that may cause disconnects? : : Thanks in advance for your assistance, and thanks also for rapid answers : to previous questions. K95 does not have any rules that will cause disconnects after idle time. On a TCP/IP connection, nothing is sent across the wire unless the user or host application sends data. Therefore, it is possible for the other end of the connection to disappear or for the TCP route to become invalid without K95 knowing about it until the user types on the keyboard. Another possible problem is associated with DHCP leasing of IP addresses. If more than one client is assigned the wrong address or if the Microsoft DHCP client holds an IP address beyond its allocated time. For these to be diagnoses you will need a sniffer or tcpdump and record everything until the problem happens. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 21 09:42:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22269 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA04889 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: control-c not sent until alt-x pressed twice Date: 21 Sep 1998 13:42:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6u5l3p$kui$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3605E505.B176378A@thermeon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9223 In article <3605E505.B176378A@thermeon.com>, Scott Sampson wrote: : Using K95 1.1.17 telnet SRP/CAST encrypted sessions, after connecting : ctrl-c is not sent over connection, but then do alt-x twice and then : ctrl-c does get sent. Is this intentional? Why does switching between : connect & command mode and back change behaviour? : Definitely not intentional. However, the most likely cause is that the Ctrl-C is not being delivered to K95 by Windows. Switching between Command and Terminal modes resets the state of the Ctrl-C processing in the console window (shoudl it be interpretted as a Break signal or as a character.) My guess is that Windows is not delivering the character to k95 on your system. You can check this with a debug.log. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 21 10:07:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29662 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06177 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't get a transfer to work efficiently over a connection with a LanRover in-between. Date: 21 Sep 1998 14:07:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6u5mis$lnr$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6u43q3$fn2$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9224 In article <6u43q3$fn2$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Mr. Scott wrote: : Using kermit on AIX. : Dial into a LanRover, then use the lanrover's telnet command to get to : another Unix box. : When attempting to transfer a file from my local machine to the remote, I : get tons of timeout errors, : unless I bump the packet-length down to its minimum of 12 (with 4 windows). : It seems like there is a flow-control problem, but I have been unsuccessful : in explaining/fixing this problem. : Does anybody have a suggestion? : Flow control is certainly a likely suspect. The LAN Rover port and the modem that is connected to it should be set to use some form of flow control, and moreover the SAME form of flow control, and for maximum effectiveness and transparency, this should be hardware (RTS/CTS) flow control. There is nothing you can do about the LAN Rover's modem, but there might be a command available at the LAN Rover's prompt to let you check and perhaps alter its communication parameters. The same kind of flow-control problem might also be occuring between your local computer and its own modem. Second, some terminal servers are simply broken with respect to uploads. These are the ones that are disigned under the mistaken assumption that the vast preponderance of data flow will be TO the terminal, rather than FROM it. I do not suspect a transparency problem at the LAN Rover, since if that were the case, shortening your Kermit packets would make no difference at all. All of these issues are discussed at length in "Using C-Kermit". These discussions should help you home in on the problem and solve it. The current version of C-Kermit, by the way, is 6.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 21 15:14:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04452 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA21616 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!news1.ispnews.com!news11.ispnews.com!news12.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Bevins" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems References: <6tojgu$1mp$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6tot43$6ju$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6tpahb$vbq$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6trhp4$l26$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6u0jm5$75o$1@post.servtech.com> Subject: Re: looking for paging notification software Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.127.249 X-Trace: news12.ispnews.com 906403408 206.96.127.249 (Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:43:28 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:43:28 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:43:26 -0400 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9226 comp.dcom.modems:240438 rchandra.spamguard@spamguard.letter.com wrote in message <6u0jm5$75o$1@post.servtech.com>... >One thing I might note here is that at least some paging services have >both DTMF and TAP terminals, and as long as the "payload" of the TAP >block contains only digits (no alphabetic, special, or other >characters, with the possible exception of "-"), numeric pagers can >receive the message just fine. This is true of Arch in the Buffalo, >NY, USA area, and quite possibly everywhere Arch operates. :^) CallAudit Voice offers Paging notification. Its compatible with Numeric or Alphanumeric pagers, (using TAP). A demo is available at http://www.mtnsys.com Good Luck, From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 23 21:16:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24565 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA07481 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 21:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.kiva.net!uunet!uunet!uunet!in1.uu.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Scott" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: This is interesting ... Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:45:12 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6uc4qk$iv9$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust80.tnt1.atl2.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-ELN-Date: Wed Sep 23 17:47:17 1998 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9229 Here is the situation: 1. Establish DUN connection with company my RAS server, using Windows 95. 2. Use telnet to connect to UNIX (AIX) box on the LAN. 3. Run kermit. 4. Use the dial command (with set dial display on) to go out to a remote client. 5. DUN hangs up MY modem - presumably because it interprets the hangup sequence being printed out by kermit. Ouch! This one had the gears turning for quite awhile before we figured out the cause. We NEED to keep "set dial display on" for debugging purposes. Tell me there is a way to prevent this from happening!? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 23 22:03:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29989 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA10364 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-2!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-3!paralynx!paralynx-4!van-bc!paralynx!paralynx-1!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Scott" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't get a transfer to work efficiently over a connection with a LanRover in-between. Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:32:57 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 79 Message-ID: <6uc44u$hmn$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <6u43q3$fn2$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <6u5mis$lnr$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust80.tnt1.atl2.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-ELN-Date: Wed Sep 23 17:35:42 1998 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9230 Allow me to rule out a few things. 1. It is not a transparency problem because the transfer works flawlessly when packet-length is < 48 (and window size is 1). 2. It is not a flow control problem between our modem and UNIX because both (as well as kermit itself) are configured properly: both are configured to use RTS/CTS (and kermit); also transfers work at very high speeds with other remote hosts with no problem. Unfortunately there are no "settings" options at the LanRover prompt that I can play with. They must be configured by the administrator using a separate program. This would all but point to some sort of problem on the remote end, wouldn't you agree? This is what we are asking the remote client to check: 1. Check that their modem is also using hardware flow control. 2. Check that their LanRover machine serial port is using hardware flow control. 3. Check to see that the LanRover software is configured to work with hardware flow contol. Beyond this, the telnet part of the connection is through TCP/IP and needs no flow control configuration, right? Can you think of anything I forgot to ask them? Frank da Cruz wrote in message <6u5mis$lnr$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <6u43q3$fn2$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, >Mr. Scott wrote: >: Using kermit on AIX. >: Dial into a LanRover, then use the lanrover's telnet command to get to >: another Unix box. >: When attempting to transfer a file from my local machine to the remote, I >: get tons of timeout errors, >: unless I bump the packet-length down to its minimum of 12 (with 4 windows). >: It seems like there is a flow-control problem, but I have been unsuccessful >: in explaining/fixing this problem. >: Does anybody have a suggestion? >: >Flow control is certainly a likely suspect. The LAN Rover port and the >modem that is connected to it should be set to use some form of flow control, >and moreover the SAME form of flow control, and for maximum effectiveness and >transparency, this should be hardware (RTS/CTS) flow control. There is >nothing you can do about the LAN Rover's modem, but there might be a command >available at the LAN Rover's prompt to let you check and perhaps alter its >communication parameters. > >The same kind of flow-control problem might also be occuring between your >local computer and its own modem. > >Second, some terminal servers are simply broken with respect to uploads. >These are the ones that are disigned under the mistaken assumption that the >vast preponderance of data flow will be TO the terminal, rather than FROM it. > >I do not suspect a transparency problem at the LAN Rover, since if that were >the case, shortening your Kermit packets would make no difference at all. > >All of these issues are discussed at length in "Using C-Kermit". These >discussions should help you home in on the problem and solve it. > >The current version of C-Kermit, by the way, is 6.0: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html > >- Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 23 22:17:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01247 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA11232 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: This is interesting ... Date: 24 Sep 1998 02:17:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6uca4j$c5e$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6uc4qk$iv9$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9231 In article <6uc4qk$iv9$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Mr. Scott wrote: : Here is the situation: : : 1. Establish DUN connection with company my RAS server, using Windows 95. : 2. Use telnet to connect to UNIX (AIX) box on the LAN. : 3. Run kermit. : 4. Use the dial command (with set dial display on) to go out to a remote : client. : 5. DUN hangs up MY modem - presumably because it interprets the hangup : sequence being printed out by kermit. : : Ouch! This one had the gears turning for quite awhile before we figured out : the cause. : : We NEED to keep "set dial display on" for debugging purposes. : : Tell me there is a way to prevent this from happening!? : Change the escape character in the modem or turn off the escape sequence entirely. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 23 23:20:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA07315 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA15073 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.138.0.5!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Scott" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: This is interesting ... Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:45:12 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6uc4mv$in2$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust80.tnt1.atl2.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-ELN-Date: Wed Sep 23 17:45:35 1998 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9232 Here is the situation: 1. Establish DUN connection with company my RAS server, using Windows 95. 2. Use telnet to connect to UNIX (AIX) box on the LAN. 3. Run kermit. 4. Use the dial command (with set dial display on) to go out to a remote client. 5. DUN hangs up MY modem - presumably because it interprets the hangup sequence being printed out by kermit. Ouch! This one had the gears turning for quite awhile before we figured out the cause. We NEED to keep "set dial display on" for debugging purposes. Tell me there is a way to prevent this from happening!? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 24 01:36:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA26773 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 01:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA21207 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 01:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Scott" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't get a transfer to work efficiently over a connection with a LanRover in-between. Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:32:36 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 77 Message-ID: <6uc3v7$k1j$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <6u43q3$fn2$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <6u5mis$lnr$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust80.tnt1.atl2.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-ELN-Date: Wed Sep 23 17:32:39 1998 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9233 Allow me to rule out a few things. 1. It is not a transparency problem because the transfer works flawlessly when packet-length is < 48 (and window size is 1). 2. It is not a flow control problem between our modem and UNIX because both (as well as kermit itself) are configured properly: both are configured to use RTS/CTS (and kermit); also transfers work at very high speeds with other remote hosts with no problem. Unfortunately there are no "settings" options at the LanRover prompt that I can play with. They must be configured by the administrator using a separate program. This would all but point to some sort of problem on the remote end, wouldn't you agree? This is what we are asking the remote client to check: 1. Check that their modem is also using hardware flow control. 2. Check that their LanRover machine serial port is using hardware flow control. 3. Check to see that the LanRover software is configured to work with hardware flow contol. Beyond this, the telnet part of the connection is through TCP/IP and needs no flow control configuration, right? Can you think of anything I forgot to ask them? Frank da Cruz wrote in message <6u5mis$lnr$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <6u43q3$fn2$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, >Mr. Scott wrote: >: Using kermit on AIX. >: Dial into a LanRover, then use the lanrover's telnet command to get to >: another Unix box. >: When attempting to transfer a file from my local machine to the remote, I >: get tons of timeout errors, >: unless I bump the packet-length down to its minimum of 12 (with 4 windows). >: It seems like there is a flow-control problem, but I have been unsuccessful >: in explaining/fixing this problem. >: Does anybody have a suggestion? >: >Flow control is certainly a likely suspect. The LAN Rover port and the >modem that is connected to it should be set to use some form of flow control, >and moreover the SAME form of flow control, and for maximum effectiveness and >transparency, this should be hardware (RTS/CTS) flow control. There is >nothing you can do about the LAN Rover's modem, but there might be a command >available at the LAN Rover's prompt to let you check and perhaps alter its >communication parameters. > >The same kind of flow-control problem might also be occuring between your >local computer and its own modem. > >Second, some terminal servers are simply broken with respect to uploads. >These are the ones that are disigned under the mistaken assumption that the >vast preponderance of data flow will be TO the terminal, rather than FROM it. > >I do not suspect a transparency problem at the LAN Rover, since if that were >the case, shortening your Kermit packets would make no difference at all. > >All of these issues are discussed at length in "Using C-Kermit". These >discussions should help you home in on the problem and solve it. > >The current version of C-Kermit, by the way, is 6.0: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html > >- Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 24 01:36:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA26857 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 01:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA21278 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 01:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Scott" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't get a transfer to work efficiently over a connection with a LanRover in-between. Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:35:38 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 74 Message-ID: <6uc46p$hmn$2@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <6u43q3$fn2$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <6u5mis$lnr$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust80.tnt1.atl2.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-ELN-Date: Wed Sep 23 17:36:41 1998 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9234 Frank da Cruz wrote in message <6u5mis$lnr$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <6u43q3$fn2$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, >Mr. Scott wrote: >: Using kermit on AIX. >: Dial into a LanRover, then use the lanrover's telnet command to get to >: another Unix box. >: When attempting to transfer a file from my local machine to the remote, I >: get tons of timeout errors, >: unless I bump the packet-length down to its minimum of 12 (with 4 windows). >: It seems like there is a flow-control problem, but I have been unsuccessful >: in explaining/fixing this problem. >: Does anybody have a suggestion? >: >Flow control is certainly a likely suspect. The LAN Rover port and the >modem that is connected to it should be set to use some form of flow control, >and moreover the SAME form of flow control, and for maximum effectiveness and >transparency, this should be hardware (RTS/CTS) flow control. There is >nothing you can do about the LAN Rover's modem, but there might be a command >available at the LAN Rover's prompt to let you check and perhaps alter its >communication parameters. > >The same kind of flow-control problem might also be occuring between your >local computer and its own modem. > >Second, some terminal servers are simply broken with respect to uploads. >These are the ones that are disigned under the mistaken assumption that the >vast preponderance of data flow will be TO the terminal, rather than FROM it. > >I do not suspect a transparency problem at the LAN Rover, since if that were >the case, shortening your Kermit packets would make no difference at all. > >All of these issues are discussed at length in "Using C-Kermit". These >discussions should help you home in on the problem and solve it. > >The current version of C-Kermit, by the way, is 6.0: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.htmlAllow me to rule out a few things. 1. It is not a transparency problem because the transfer works flawlessly when packet-length is < 48 (and window size is 1). 2. It is not a flow control problem between our modem and UNIX because both (as well as kermit itself) are configured properly: both are configured to use RTS/CTS (and kermit); also transfers work at very high speeds with other remote hosts with no problem. Unfortunately there are no "settings" options at the LanRover prompt that I can play with. They must be configured by the administrator using a separate program. This would all but point to some sort of problem on the remote end, wouldn't you agree? This is what we are asking the remote client to check: 1. Check that their modem is also using hardware flow control. 2. Check that their LanRover machine serial port is using hardware flow control. 3. Check to see that the LanRover software is configured to work with hardware flow contol. Beyond this, the telnet part of the connection is through TCP/IP and needs no flow control configuration, right? Can you think of anything I forgot to ask them? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 24 05:18:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA28065 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 05:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA03512 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 05:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!worldfeed.news.gte.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Scott" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: This is interesting ... Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:35:25 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <6ucb5n$bl$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <6uc4qk$iv9$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <6uca4j$c5e$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust80.tnt1.atl2.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-ELN-Date: Wed Sep 23 19:35:36 1998 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9235 Jeffrey Altman wrote in message <6uca4j$c5e$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <6uc4qk$iv9$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, >Mr. Scott wrote: >: Here is the situation: >: >: 1. Establish DUN connection with company my RAS server, using Windows 95. >: 2. Use telnet to connect to UNIX (AIX) box on the LAN. >: 3. Run kermit. >: 4. Use the dial command (with set dial display on) to go out to a remote >: client. >: 5. DUN hangs up MY modem - presumably because it interprets the hangup >: sequence being printed out by kermit. >: >: Ouch! This one had the gears turning for quite awhile before we figured out >: the cause. >: >: We NEED to keep "set dial display on" for debugging purposes. >: >: Tell me there is a way to prevent this from happening!? >: >: > >Change the escape character in the modem or turn off the escape sequence >entirely. > > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 > The Kermit Project * Columbia University > 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org What!? This is extremely non-standard, or put another way, a dangerous hack. I certainly cannot do this at all ... but I do appreciate the suggestion. Any other suggestions? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 24 10:23:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00239 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28933 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: This is interesting ... Date: 24 Sep 1998 14:23:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6udklm$3r2$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6uc4qk$iv9$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <6uca4j$c5e$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6ucb5n$bl$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9236 In article <6ucb5n$bl$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Mr. Scott wrote: : What!? : : This is extremely non-standard, or put another way, a dangerous hack. : : I certainly cannot do this at all ... but I do appreciate the suggestion. : : Any other suggestions? I do not understand why you think this is non-standard or even a hack. Turning off the 'escape sequence' or changing the escape character for an modem used for incoming calls is exactly what is supposed to be done. An incoming modem does not require an escape character or sequence if it automatically returns to command mode upon disconnect and it is the only way to address the problem you described. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 24 13:50:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA23108 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA22905 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't get a transfer to work efficiently over a connection with a LanRover in-between. Date: 24 Sep 1998 17:50:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-ID: <6ue0p6$aq2$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6u43q3$fn2$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <6u5mis$lnr$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6uc3v7$k1j$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9237 In article <6uc3v7$k1j$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Mr. Scott wrote: : Allow me to rule out a few things. : : 1. It is not a transparency problem because the transfer works flawlessly : when packet-length is < 48 (and window size is 1). : Agreed. : 2. It is not a flow control problem between our modem and UNIX because both : (as well as kermit itself) are configured properly: both are configured to : use RTS/CTS (and kermit); also transfers work at very high speeds with other : remote hosts with no problem. : But that does not mean it is not a flow control problem. The fact that packet lengths > 48 cause a transfer to fail on this connection means that there a buffer somewhere between your host the destination host that overflows, and whoever owns that buffer is not flow-controlling its transmission peer. : Unfortunately there are no "settings" options at the LanRover prompt that I : can play with. They must be configured by the administrator using a : separate program. : But if transfers work through the same LanRover to other hosts, then it is most likely a problem in the particular host where the transfer is failing. : This is what we are asking the remote client to check: : : 1. Check that their modem is also using hardware flow control. : 2. Check that their LanRover machine serial port is using hardware flow : control. : 3. Check to see that the LanRover software is configured to work with : hardware flow contol. : Right. Wherever there is a junction, hardware flow control should be in force on both ends of it. : Beyond this, the telnet part of the connection is through TCP/IP and needs : no flow control configuration, right? : You would think so, but some Telnet servers allow data to be lost when the controlling (pseudo)terminal is not using flow control. In any case, we should probably move this discussion to email. If your investigations do not prove fruitful, we'll need more details about the two hosts, Kermit versions, settings, etc, and probably also some packet and/or debug logs. The Kermit support email address is: kermit-support@columbia.edu - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 24 18:37:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA12520 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA00787 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-2!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-3!paralynx!paralynx-4!van-bc!paralynx!paralynx-1!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.250.21!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.eur.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: heiby_u@falkor.chi.il.us (Ron Heiby) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: This is interesting ... Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 19:46:47 GMT Organization: Strategis Consulting Inc. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <360b9f5a.12907295@news.interserv.com> References: <6uc4qk$iv9$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <6uca4j$c5e$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6ucb5n$bl$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: chi-dnnvl-093.il.compuserve.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9238 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 22:35:25 -0400, "Mr. Scott" wrote: >Jeffrey Altman wrote in message <6uca4j$c5e$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> >>In article <6uc4qk$iv9$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, >>Change the escape character in the modem or turn off the escape >>sequence entirely. >> >This is extremely non-standard, or put another way, a dangerous hack. You are mistaken. It is quite standard. The capability to change the escape character has been in every modem I've used since my original Hayes SmartModem (300 baud) *many* years ago. Also, there is nothing dangerous about it. This is especially so, as you say you only need it for debugging. >I certainly cannot do this at all ... but I do appreciate the suggestion. I assume that you cannot do this because you either do not have or have not read your modem's manual. I believe that you will find that it is register S2 that contains the escape character for the modem, which defaults to 43, the ASCII "+" character. You need to give your modem an "ATS2=nn" command, where you replace the "nn" with the decimal value of the character you want to be its new escape. If that's a vertical bar ("|"), then the command would be "ATS2=124" (without the double quote characters, of course). After making the change, you may need to save the information into your modem's non-volatile memory, especially if your debug process requires that the modem be reset to its saved parameters. Different modems vary in the way this is done. Most common I've seen is a variant of "AT&W", so you might look for that in your manual. Good luck! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.3 Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED2 available from keyservers iQA/AwUBNgqhm2asl5Jijs7SEQL7OgCfXO9R7V8LE/6e8XBAUCMMVmJ6UvQAn0UN k+8w14xAFuvxAuBut6wcYgTS =l3Rq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 24 20:24:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA27738 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA00215 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-2!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-3!paralynx!paralynx-4!van-bc!paralynx!paralynx-1!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.new-york.net!schenectady.netmonger.net!news.mcs.net!ddsw1!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@04.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: This is interesting ... Date: 24 Sep 1998 22:11:59 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6ueg3f$smc$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <6uc4qk$iv9$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <6uca4j$c5e$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6ucb5n$bl$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9239 Jeffrey Altman wrote in message <6uca4j$c5e$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... : >Change the escape character in the modem or turn off the escape sequence : >entirely. Mr. Scott (montgomery@starfleet.org) wrote: : What!? : This is extremely non-standard, or put another way, a dangerous hack. Allowing a modem escape to exist on the dial-in modem is inviting some hangs. Any user who tries to disconnect from a connection by giving the modem escape sequence in a Unix shell environment is going to have the escape echoed by Unix back to the dialin modem as well as having it captured by the dialout modem. This will hang the Unix dialin modem, as there is no further way of "talking" to it at that point. The escape sequence should be disabled on any dialin modem. It is only of value to a dialout modem, if at all. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 24 20:42:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA01906 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA08462 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Scott" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: This is interesting ... Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:25:08 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <6uent8$9d5$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <6uc4qk$iv9$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <6uca4j$c5e$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6ucb5n$bl$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <6udklm$3r2$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip161.atlanta14.ga.pub-ip.psi.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-ELN-Date: Thu Sep 24 17:25:12 1998 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9240 But the modem in question is NOT a dial-in modem! It is a dial-out modem. Remember, I was dialing OUT on the modem when kermit printed the "+++" which disconnected my Windows 95 modem. Go back to the original post. 1. From a Windows 95 computer I establish a DUN connection with a remote network. 2. I telnet to a Unix machine. 3. I start up kermit using one of the Unix modems. 4. I dial OUT. 5. The +++ displayed by kermit disconnects MY PERSONAL WINDOWS 95 modem. Jeffrey Altman wrote in message <6udklm$3r2$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <6ucb5n$bl$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, >Mr. Scott wrote: > >: What!? >: >: This is extremely non-standard, or put another way, a dangerous hack. >: >: I certainly cannot do this at all ... but I do appreciate the suggestion. >: >: Any other suggestions? > >I do not understand why you think this is non-standard or even >a hack. Turning off the 'escape sequence' or changing the escape >character for an modem used for incoming calls is exactly what is >supposed to be done. An incoming modem does not require an escape >character or sequence if it automatically returns to command mode >upon disconnect and it is the only way to address the problem you >described. > > > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 > The Kermit Project * Columbia University > 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 24 21:25:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA07109 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA27993 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!la-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Scott" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: This is interesting ... Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 20:19:02 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6uenhq$8o1$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <6uc4qk$iv9$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <6uca4j$c5e$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6ucb5n$bl$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <360b9f5a.12907295@news.interserv.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip161.atlanta14.ga.pub-ip.psi.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-ELN-Date: Thu Sep 24 17:19:06 1998 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9241 I hate to continue this thread because it is getting quite lengthly, however, I feel it necessary to comtinue comment. First off, I am aware of S2, and for that matter, every other register in a standard modem, however I must still maintain that just because it exists doesn't mean that using it is a good idea, in fact, I believe it isn't. Changing the escape character may render other communication applications useless because most assume "+" as the escape character, and they would break. Disabling--rather than changing--the sequence would also break things. What I did do was: set modem hangup-method rs232-signal This avoids the escape sequence altogether. However, it is not working completely. Typing hangup while online does not hangup, but leaving kermit does. How strange. Go figure. As far as I know the cabling is fine, so the signal should be getting to the modem. Anyways my problem has been mostly solved. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 24 23:30:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA28547 for ; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA25738 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 24 Sep 1998 23:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: This is interesting ... Date: 25 Sep 1998 03:30:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6uf2ph$of$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6uc4qk$iv9$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <6ucb5n$bl$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <6udklm$3r2$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6uent8$9d5$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9242 In article <6uent8$9d5$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Mr. Scott wrote: : But the modem in question is NOT a dial-in modem! It is a dial-out modem. : : Remember, I was dialing OUT on the modem when kermit printed the "+++" which : disconnected my Windows 95 modem. : : Go back to the original post. : : 1. From a Windows 95 computer I establish a DUN connection with a remote : network. : 2. I telnet to a Unix machine. : 3. I start up kermit using one of the Unix modems. : 4. I dial OUT. : 5. The +++ displayed by kermit disconnects MY PERSONAL WINDOWS 95 modem. The Windows modem is hanging up because the modem it is talking to was disconnected by the "+++". Your Win95 modem will not respond to the escape sequence. The "dial in" modem that I am referring to is the one that is attached to the PPP server. Now if you were to turn on PPP Compression or encryption your problem would go away because the "+++" would be altered to be a shorter sequence representing 3 of the "+" character. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 25 12:50:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18914 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA00525 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: This is interesting ... Date: 25 Sep 1998 16:43:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6ugh75$h0a$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6uc4qk$iv9$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <6ucb5n$bl$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <360b9f5a.12907295@news.interserv.com> <6uenhq$8o1$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9243 In article <6uenhq$8o1$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Mr. Scott wrote: : First off, I am aware of S2, and for that matter, every other register in a : standard modem, however I must still maintain that just because it exists : doesn't mean that using it is a good idea, in fact, I believe it isn't. : Changing the escape character may render other communication applications : useless because most assume "+" as the escape character, and they would : break. Disabling--rather than changing--the sequence would also break : things. : It depends on the modem. Most modern modems can be configured to a certain desired known state and this configuration can be saved. Then, whenever a connection is broken (carrier drops from the other modem, or DTR drops from the computer), the saved state is restored automatically, so every user gets the same configuration, no matter what the previous did. (This is a bit of a simplification -- consult your modem manual for details.) - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 25 13:29:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00738 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA02502 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Scott" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: This is interesting ... Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:36:42 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6uggr4$i9e$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <6uc4qk$iv9$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <6ucb5n$bl$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <6udklm$3r2$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6uent8$9d5$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <6uf2ph$of$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip183.atlanta14.ga.pub-ip.psi.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-ELN-Date: Fri Sep 25 09:36:52 1998 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9244 Jeffrey Altman wrote in message <6uf2ph$of$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <6uent8$9d5$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, >Mr. Scott wrote: >: But the modem in question is NOT a dial-in modem! It is a dial-out modem. >: >: Remember, I was dialing OUT on the modem when kermit printed the "+++" which >: disconnected my Windows 95 modem. >: >: Go back to the original post. >: >: 1. From a Windows 95 computer I establish a DUN connection with a remote >: network. >: 2. I telnet to a Unix machine. >: 3. I start up kermit using one of the Unix modems. >: 4. I dial OUT. >: 5. The +++ displayed by kermit disconnects MY PERSONAL WINDOWS 95 modem. > >The Windows modem is hanging up because the modem it is talking to was >disconnected by the "+++". Your Win95 modem will not respond to the >escape sequence. The "dial in" modem that I am referring to is the >one that is attached to the PPP server. > >Now if you were to turn on PPP Compression or encryption your problem >would go away because the "+++" would be altered to be a shorter sequence >representing 3 of the "+" character. > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 > The Kermit Project * Columbia University > 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org Oh, I see that now. It is very clear. Thank you. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 25 14:10:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA16520 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA04822 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Mr. Scott" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: This is interesting ... Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:31:25 -0400 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6ugk1i$m91$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> References: <6uc4qk$iv9$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <6ucb5n$bl$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <360b9f5a.12907295@news.interserv.com> <6uenhq$8o1$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <6ugh75$h0a$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip183.atlanta14.ga.pub-ip.psi.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-ELN-Date: Fri Sep 25 10:31:30 1998 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9245 Frank da Cruz wrote in message <6ugh75$h0a$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <6uenhq$8o1$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, >Mr. Scott wrote: >: First off, I am aware of S2, and for that matter, every other register in a >: standard modem, however I must still maintain that just because it exists >: doesn't mean that using it is a good idea, in fact, I believe it isn't. >: Changing the escape character may render other communication applications >: useless because most assume "+" as the escape character, and they would >: break. Disabling--rather than changing--the sequence would also break >: things. >: >It depends on the modem. Most modern modems can be configured to a certain >desired known state and this configuration can be saved. Then, whenever a >connection is broken (carrier drops from the other modem, or DTR drops from >the computer), the saved state is restored automatically, so every user gets >the same configuration, no matter what the previous did. (This is a bit of >a simplification -- consult your modem manual for details.) > >- Frank I am in complete agreement. However, all our communication apps would have to be reconfigured to understand this saved state of affairs. Something we don't wish to do. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 25 14:22:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20545 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA05635 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: This is interesting ... Date: 25 Sep 1998 18:22:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-ID: <6ugn0r$kfh$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6uc4qk$iv9$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <6uenhq$8o1$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <6ugh75$h0a$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6ugk1i$m91$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9246 In article <6ugk1i$m91$1@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Mr. Scott wrote: : : Frank da Cruz wrote in message <6ugh75$h0a$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... : >In article <6uenhq$8o1$1@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, : >Mr. Scott wrote: : >: First off, I am aware of S2, and for that matter, every other register : >: in a standard modem, however I must still maintain that just because it : >: exists doesn't mean that using it is a good idea, in fact, I believe it : >: isn't. Changing the escape character may render other communication : >: applications useless because most assume "+" as the escape character, : >: and they would break. Disabling--rather than changing--the sequence : >: would also break things. : > : >It depends on the modem. Most modern modems can be configured to a : >certain desired known state and this configuration can be saved. Then, : >whenever a connection is broken (carrier drops from the other modem, or : >DTR drops from the computer), the saved state is restored automatically, : >so every user gets the same configuration, no matter what the previous : >did. (This is a bit of a simplification -- consult your modem manual for : >details.) : : I am in complete agreement. However, all our communication apps would : have to be reconfigured to understand this saved state of affairs. : Something we don't wish to do. : My point was actually that if your modems can be configured this way -- and again, it depends entirely on the modem -- then your applications do NOT have to be reconfigured. Any application can do anything at all to the modem, and the modem automatically reverts to its saved configuration when it is released. Before leaving this topic, I should explain what I meant before about simplification. The real question is: even if I can create and save the desired configuration, and set the modem to restore it automatically every time a connection drops, what is to prevent the user from saving a new configuration on top of the one I saved? Again, the answer depends on the modem. Some have external switches or buttons, some have management passwords or even external management systems (as in the USR Total Control system). Without such tools, dialout modem pools would not be practical, since any user or application could "break" a modem badly enough to prevent others from using it. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 25 15:02:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05406 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA07637 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: mgibby@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: k95 shiva problems NT Date: 25 Sep 1998 19:02:38 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 6 Message-ID: <360be95e.18107816@netnews.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.67.128.56 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9247 I have a user that cant configure his modem to be recognized by 1.1.17 version of K95.. hes using NT and a shiva modem pool. Hyper terminal works and do other applications. Tapi gives the message that no devices are configured for tapi...any advice? Mark From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 25 15:18:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09648 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08575 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 15:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95 shiva problems NT Followup-To: poster Date: 25 Sep 1998 19:18:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6ugq9k$m93$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <360be95e.18107816@netnews.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kermit-support@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9248 In article <360be95e.18107816@netnews.worldnet.att.net>, wrote: : I have a user that cant configure his modem to be recognized by : 1.1.17 version of K95.. hes using NT and a shiva modem pool. Hyper : terminal works and do other applications. Tapi gives the message that : no devices are configured for tapi...any advice? : : Mark The first question is "what device is HyperTerminal using?" Second question, what commands are you giving K95 to access the modem? Follow-up to kermit-support@columbia.edu Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 25 17:11:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA05027 for ; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA15461 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 25 Sep 1998 17:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!chicago-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mcs.net!ddsw1!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@92.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95 shiva problems NT Date: 25 Sep 1998 20:38:10 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6uguvi$elf$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <360be95e.18107816@netnews.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9249 mgibby@worldnet.att.net wrote: : I have a user that cant configure his modem to be recognized by : 1.1.17 version of K95.. hes using NT and a shiva modem pool. Hyper : terminal works and do other applications. Tapi gives the message that : no devices are configured for tapi...any advice? He's a step ahead of me. I can't get Win95 to recognize the modem pool that works fine with Win3.1 -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 28 11:59:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08674 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17974 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 11:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.enteract.com!cyclone.i1.net!news1.i1.net!not-for-mail From: "Scott Nelson" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Keyboard problems with K-95 Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:58:20 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.230.58.114 X-Trace: news1.i1.net 906998199 207.230.58.114 (Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:56:39 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:56:39 CDT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9253 I am having a couple of problems with K-95, all dealing with the keyboard. My first problem is that control-C is often ignored (not sent) until I use ALT-X and then re-connect. (The same problem that Scott Sampson reported in an earlier posting). My second problem is that sometimes my keyboard seems to change to a European layout instead of my US keyboard layout during a session: Z and Y are reversed, colon is a shifted period (hard to use vi). I don't know how it changed, and I don't know how to fix it. It is only affects the particular window and luckily it happens only about once a week. My third problem is that when I switch windows (i.e., to some other program) and then switch back, my caps lock is toggled. I was typing in lowercase and then I am typing in uppercase. It is really annoying when a simple window comes up (e.g., "You have new mail") and I click ok (no typing, no pressing caps-lock key) the caps lock state changes. Often the caps lock light is not in sync with the caps lock state. Sorry to just post problems; I like kermit and K-95 in particular. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 28 12:17:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13655 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA18869 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 12:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard problems with K-95 Date: 28 Sep 1998 16:16:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-ID: <6uocpq$l3i$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9254 In article , Scott Nelson wrote: : I am having a couple of problems with K-95, all dealing with the keyboard. : : My first problem is that control-C is often ignored (not sent) until I use : ALT-X and then re-connect. (The same problem that Scott Sampson reported in : an earlier posting). : : My second problem is that sometimes my keyboard seems to change to a : European layout instead of my US keyboard layout during a session: Z and Y : are reversed, colon is a shifted period (hard to use vi). I don't know how : it changed, and I don't know how to fix it. It is only affects the : particular window and luckily it happens only about once a week. : : My third problem is that when I switch windows (i.e., to some other program) : and then switch back, my caps lock is toggled. I was typing in lowercase : and then I am typing in uppercase. It is really annoying when a simple : window comes up (e.g., "You have new mail") and I click ok (no typing, no : pressing caps-lock key) the caps lock state changes. Often the caps lock : light is not in sync with the caps lock state. : : Sorry to just post problems; I like kermit and K-95 in particular. : These are all Microsoft Windows bugs, not Kermit bugs. I would estimate that approximately 50% of our K-95 development time goes into diagnosing, reporting, and working around Microsoft bugs. As noted in Item 1 of the BUGS.TXT file, the Ctrl-C problem is known to -- but not fixed by -- Microsoft. The Caps Lock problem was reported to Microsoft long ago -- at least a year -- but as far as I know there has not yet been a response. See BUGS.TXT Items 224 and 388. These and many other problems are attributable to Microsoft's half-finished and neglected Windows 95 / 98 console mode; they do not occur in Windows NT, and they will not happen in the full-GUI version of Kermit 95, which (yes) we are still working on, and (no) I can't give a firm date for its release. I have no idea how your keyboard layout could change out from under you without your knowledge or consent. Certainly K-95 is not doing it. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 28 13:33:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07818 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA22696 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard problems with K-95 Date: 28 Sep 1998 17:33:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6uoh8c$nt8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9255 In article , Scott Nelson wrote: : My third problem is that when I switch windows (i.e., to some other program) : and then switch back, my caps lock is toggled. I was typing in lowercase : and then I am typing in uppercase. It is really annoying when a simple : window comes up (e.g., "You have new mail") and I click ok (no typing, no : pressing caps-lock key) the caps lock state changes. Often the caps lock : light is not in sync with the caps lock state. One of the bugs (features) in Windows 95/98 is that Microsoft chose not to implement support for multiple keyboard layouts in Console applications. Therefore, we had to do it ourselves within Kermit 95. If you have installed multiple keyboard layouts in Windows 95/98, then K95 when it is started will begin with the default layout. After that point the Alt-Left Shift and Ctrl-Left Shift combinations are used to cycle through all of the available layouts. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 28 15:39:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20254 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA28971 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 15:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!orion.math.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@orion.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ssh support in Kermit? Date: 28 Sep 1998 19:39:01 GMT Organization: UIUC Department of Mathematics Lines: 7 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <6uookl$njm$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: orion.math.uiuc.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9256 Are there any plans to support the ssh (secure shell) protocol in future versions of Kermit (either Kermit 95 or C Kermit)? -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or lewenber@uiuc.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 28 23:33:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA05542 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA23111 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!bigboote.WPI.EDU!xgarden.WPI.EDU!not-for-mail From: nijajen@WPI.EDU (Gordon Yu Au) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit transfer speeds Date: 29 Sep 1998 02:48:59 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6uphqr$79k$1@bigboote.WPI.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: xgarden.wpi.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9257 We have wired two computers together using a null modem cable on the com2 ports of both. Using MS Kermit, we have transferred files from one to the other using server-client and peer-to-peer transfers. In the server-client transfer, we encountered an 84% efficiency at 9600bps whereas we encountered a 72% efficiency at 115,200bps. Does anyone know of any reasons for this drop in efficiency? Does anyone know of any types of bottlenecks there are in this type of setup that would affect transmission speed and efficiency? Thanx in advance. please email any suggestions to (nijajen@wpi.edu) Gordy [8^/> WPI-MIS '00 nijajen@wpi.edu *hug**slap**wink* From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 28 23:52:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA07203 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA24109 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 23:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.msen.com!ftl.msen.com!not-for-mail From: ed@please.respond.in.newsgroup Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VMS Kermit-32 (!!?) Question Date: 29 Sep 1998 03:50:57 GMT Organization: Msen, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6uplf1$4su$1@ink.msen.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: conch.msen.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9258 Hey, How about a blast from the past.... good old kermit-32 for the VAX..... I have resurrected a Vax 3100 from certain doom, but I cannot discover a method to actually put any new software onto the system. Kermit-32 was on the system in the form of a 1992 saveset, but it fails to transfer files successfully with C-kermit 6.0. Here is the info: System A: Intel Linux, internal modem, 38400 bps C-kermit 6.0 System B: VaxStation 3100, external modem, no modem control on the serial port, 9600 bps, alternate typeahead buffer enabled at 2000 chars, Kermit-32 w/ default settings. This system must use xon-xoff flow, since the serial port is pretty crude. Basically, I start the transfer and the local kermit-32 begins by creating a file with the appropriate name, but fails about 10 seconds later with the message "aborted". I have attempted to match the 80 char block size and other parameters. What am I doing wrong? Any wisdom appreciated... -Ed From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 29 11:16:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08688 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28559 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit transfer speeds Date: 29 Sep 1998 15:16:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6uqtk9$6eu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6uphqr$79k$1@bigboote.WPI.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9259 In article <6uphqr$79k$1@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, Gordon Yu Au wrote: : We have wired two computers together using a null modem cable on the : com2 ports of both. Using MS Kermit, we have transferred files from : one to the other using server-client and peer-to-peer transfers. In : the server-client transfer, we encountered an 84% efficiency at : 9600bps whereas we encountered a 72% efficiency at 115,200bps. : : Does anyone know of any reasons for this drop in efficiency? : What kind of PC? What kind of UARTs on each end? If they are not 16550A or better (16-byte FIFO), the CPU is getting an interrupt per character. Even if the UARTs are buffered, a slow CPU (286, 386, ...) can be a bottleneck at 115200bps. Also, the probability of transmission errors increases with speed. If Kermit is reporting any retries, that would be an obvious factor. Kermit itself can be configured for top efficiency, exceeding 100% for most types of files, within the capabilities of the hardware. Use hardware flow control, long packets, a window size > 1, and minimal control-character prefixing. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 29 11:22:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10248 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28827 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS Kermit-32 (!!?) Question Date: 29 Sep 1998 15:22:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-ID: <6uqu0c$6kh$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6uplf1$4su$1@ink.msen.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9260 In article <6uplf1$4su$1@ink.msen.com>, wrote: : How about a blast from the past.... good old kermit-32 for the : VAX..... I have resurrected a Vax 3100 from certain doom, but I cannot : discover a method to actually put any new software onto the system. : Kermit-32 was on the system in the form of a 1992 saveset, but it fails to : transfer files successfully with C-kermit 6.0. Here is the info: : : System A: Intel Linux, internal modem, 38400 bps : C-kermit 6.0 : : System B: VaxStation 3100, external modem, no modem control on the serial : port, 9600 bps, alternate typeahead buffer enabled at 2000 : chars, Kermit-32 w/ default settings. This system must use : xon-xoff flow, since the serial port is pretty crude. : Right, it is. : Basically, I start the transfer and the local kermit-32 begins by creating : a file with the appropriate name, but fails about 10 seconds later with : the message "aborted". : How rude. : I have attempted to match the 80 char block size : and other parameters. What am I doing wrong? Any wisdom appreciated... : Kermit-32 doesn't give us much in the way of debugging tools. First I'd recommend you crank the serial speed down to 9600 or less on both ends. Second, make sure the VAX modem is configured for *local* Xon/Xoff flow control. Third, make sure the Linux modem is configured for RTS/CTS flow control, and that Linux C-Kermit has been told to "set flow rts/cts". Fourth, look at the VMS MAXBUF parameter -- it might need increasing (lots more about this in VMS C-Kermit CKVINS.DOC file). Finally, give the "robust" command to C-Kermit on Linux. Then, once you have successfully transferred VMS C-Kermit to your VAX, you can use it instead of Kermit-32 and in case of further difficulties we will have better diagnostic tools available. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 30 00:24:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA19052 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA07831 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.kiva.net!uunet!uunet!in3.uu.net!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.msen.com!ftl.msen.com!not-for-mail From: ed@please.reply.in.newsgroup Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Vax K32 Still Wierd - More Info.... Date: 30 Sep 1998 01:56:53 GMT Organization: Msen, Inc. Lines: 71 Message-ID: <6us355$s45$1@ink.msen.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: conch.msen.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9261 Hey, Thanks for the help so far.... it appears that there IS a debug mode in vax kermit-32 circa 1990.... set debug on. This may have identified the problem. When I turn this on prior to file transfer, I see a number of successful packets moving, and then I get: " " "U" "s" "e" "5" "6" "K" " " " " "2" "4" "1" "-" "3" "2" "9" "3" " " "#" "J" " " " " "H" "a" "d" "l" "e" "y" "~" "'" " " ":" " " "(" "8" "1" "0" ")" "~" "#" " " "u" "s" "e" "~" "%" " " "L" "a" "p" "e" "e" "r" Checksum: "^" = 62 (dec) Sending... Message number: 55 (dec) Length: 71 (dec) Message type: E (Error) Optional data: "%" "K" "E" "R" "M" "I" "T" "3" "2" "-" "E" "-" "R" "E" "C" "_" "T" "O" "O" "_" "B" "I" "G" "," " " "R" "e" "c" "o" "r" "d" " " "t" "o" " " "b" "i" "g" " " "f" "o" "r" " " "K" "E" "R" "M" "I" "T" "'" "s" " " "i" "n" "t" "e" "r" "n" "a" "l" " " "b" "u" "f" "f" "e" "r" "s" Checksum: "." = 14 (dec) %KERMIT32-E-REC_TOO_BIG, Record to big for KERMIT's internal buffers [Aborted] Kermit-32> If, after getting this error, I do a SHOW STATUS inside kermit, I get: Totals for the last transfer Characters sent 407 Data characters sent 68 NAKs received 0 Packets sent 55 Characters received 4275 Data characters received 4103 NAKs sent 0 Packets received 55 Effective data rate 1079 baud Totals since Kermit was started Characters sent 407 Data characters sent 68 NAKs received 0 Packets sent 55 Characters received 4275 Data characters received 4103 NAKs sent 0 Packets received 55 Effective data rate 1097 baud Last error: %KERMIT32-E-REC_TOO_BIG, Record to big for KERMIT's internal buffers Kermit-32> Following Frank's advice on the MAXBUF issue, I fired up VMS sysgen and set MAXBUF to 64000, the max value. I hope this is what I was supposed to do. It did not appear to have any effect. Also tried robust mode, small packets, a few other strange ideas I cooked up myself. Oh, no terminal servers, just me talking to a linux box. Also tried it to a local ISP with a terminal server, just for the hell of it - no change. Gurus I beseech thee! Whats the deal? -Ed From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 30 09:20:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20222 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA24578 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 09:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Vax K32 Still Wierd - More Info.... Date: 30 Sep 1998 13:20:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6utb66$bh4$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6us355$s45$1@ink.msen.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9262 In article <6us355$s45$1@ink.msen.com>, wrote: : Thanks for the help so far.... it appears that there IS a debug mode : in vax kermit-32 circa 1990.... set debug on. : Oh right, I forgot about that. : Checksum: "." = 14 (dec) : %KERMIT32-E-REC_TOO_BIG, Record to big for KERMIT's internal buffers : This message means what it says. : set MAXBUF to 64000, the max value. I hope this is what I was supposed to : do. It did not appear to have any effect. Also tried robust mode, small : packets, a few other strange ideas I cooked up myself. Oh, no terminal : servers, just me talking to a linux box. Also tried it to a local ISP : with a terminal server, just for the hell of it - no change. Gurus I : beseech thee! Whats the deal? : The problem is a limitation in Kermit-32. If I recall correctly, the biggest record (line of text) it can receive is 4K, so evidently you are sending a record longer than that. This probably means Kermit-32 is in text mode. You'll need to tell it to "set file type binary" or "set file type block". - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 30 10:05:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00792 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA26706 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.qnx,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] cpp866 -> KOI8 Converter Date: 30 Sep 1998 14:02:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6utdls$ckq$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bdec1a$17520d00$86d354c2@leon> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.qnx:22212 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9263 In article <01bdec1a$17520d00$86d354c2@leon>, Leonid Khait wrote: : Are there any cpp866 -> KOI8 char set convertors on QNX ? : Yes, C-Kermit: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html At the C-Kermit prompt, give the following command: translate cp866 koi8 You can also translate while transferring. For example, if you are uploading a file from DOS or Windows to QNX, tell the Kermit program on the DOS or Windows PC to: set file type text set file character-set cp866 set transfer character-set cyrillic send and tell C-Kermit on QNX to: set file character-set koi8 receive (The sending Kermit automatically tells the receiver about text mode and what the transfer character-set is.) - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 30 17:25:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26368 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA21080 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.129.0.46!newsfeed.se.mediaone.net!jolt.jea.com!news From: Duke Nguyen Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Restrict Kermit to a paticuliar directory Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 15:31:52 -0400 Organization: Jacksonville Electric Authority Lines: 12 Message-ID: <36128727.8AA6000E@jea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nguydh.jea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9264 I am trying to set up a modem connection and use Kermit to transfer files, however, I need to restrict Kermit to a particuliar directory (like how ftp works). As of now, when I run Kermit, I have full access to the system, so I need to restict this. Any advice or assistance wold be appreciated. Thanks, Duke From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 30 17:41:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02686 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA05224 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Restrict Kermit to a paticuliar directory Date: 30 Sep 1998 21:41:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6uu8j0$qci$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <36128727.8AA6000E@jea.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9265 In article <36128727.8AA6000E@jea.com>, Duke Nguyen wrote: : I am trying to set up a modem connection and use Kermit to transfer : files, however, I need to restrict Kermit to a particuliar directory : (like how ftp works). As of now, when I run Kermit, I have full access : to the system, so I need to restict this. : It depends on which Kermit program you are talking about. One method that is common to many Kermit programs is to set it up in server mode after having given it the appropriate CD and DISABLE CD commands. This restricts all file access to the directory that was current when the CD command was given. In this case, of course, you must also DISABLE FINISH, to prevent them from getting out of server mode and re-ENABLE'ing CD. For receiving files only, some Kermit programs (C-Kermit 6.0 and K-95) have a SET FILE DOWNLOAD-DIRECTORY command, that causes all incoming files to go into the specified directory. The next release of C-Kermit, 7.0, will also be able to take the place of an FTP server, which is probably more like what you had in mind. Watch this space for announcements. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 1 01:54:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA06748 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 01:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA27494 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 01:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peernews.cix.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet From: lsystemsd@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Lygo Systems") Subject: Telnet disconnect Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:51:40 GMT Lines: 23 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9266 Telnet disconnection due to reboot. I have a number of users connecting with MS-DOS Kermit telnet sessions into Redhat Linux (4.2 & 5.1). If they close the connection with the normal Kermit exit command without first logging off, then the telnet session is closed on Linux which is just what I want. If, however, they reboot their PC with ALT CTL DEL then the session stays active. The reason that this is a problem is that they are running the Pick/D3 database which has a limited number of active users allowed to be logged on at the same time. If they reboot their PC then that will effectively lose one user unless the previous session is automatically logged off. Pick has a couple of commands that in theory should deal with the situation: DCD-ON and TRAP DCD EXIT. In other words if DCD is lost then the session should be automatically closed. But it ain't happening... This is not a Pick specific problem because the same thing happens if they just log into Linux. I don't know if it's a Kermit problem as the same thing happens with another Telnet client that I use. Any suggestions would be gratefully received. Bill. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 1 04:39:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA00808 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 04:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA09885 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 04:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!165.166.15.4!news3.infoave.net!not-for-mail From: Ray Timmons Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard problems with K-95 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:35:12 -0400 Organization: Aiken Technical College Lines: 31 Message-ID: <361198E0.829BAABD@aik.tec.sc.us> References: <6uoh8c$nt8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: note.aik.tec.sc.us Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 907122452 12246 199.4.146.197 (30 Sep 1998 02:27:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news3.infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Sep 1998 02:27:32 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9267 Jeffrey Altman wrote: > > One of the bugs (features) in Windows 95/98 is that Microsoft chose not > to implement support for multiple keyboard layouts in Console applications. > Therefore, we had to do it ourselves within Kermit 95. > > If you have installed multiple keyboard layouts in Windows 95/98, then > K95 when it is started will begin with the default layout. After that > point the Alt-Left Shift and Ctrl-Left Shift combinations are used to > cycle through all of the available layouts. > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 > The Kermit Project * Columbia University > 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org oUCH! (Oops there goes that CAP-LOCK again.) The Alt-Left Shift explains some of the problems I've seen. My usual way to scroll back a screen is to hold down Alt-Left Shift and then press PgUp how many times I need. I also have another problem. When the focus goes back to a K95 window, it transmits the Gold or PF1 Key (Numlock on PC). Unfortunately many years ago we mapped that on the VAX to launch a program for all our users, so I have to wait for it to launch and then exit. Ray T. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 1 05:47:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA13425 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA13524 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 05:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!u-psud.fr!stefand From: stefand@lcam.u-psud.fr (Stefan A. Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ssh support in Kermit? Date: 1 Oct 1998 10:03:54 GMT Organization: Universite Paris-Sud, France. Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <6uookl$njm$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: sad@utk.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: ferrari.lcam.u-psud.fr X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.3 UNIX) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9268 On 28 Sep 1998 19:39:01 GMT, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: >Are there any plans to support the ssh (secure shell) protocol in >future versions of Kermit (either Kermit 95 or C Kermit)? >-- >University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics >INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or lewenber@uiuc.edu > Nice question, and amazingly little response so far :-( Think about ssh vs. kerberos what you want, but some sites make it mandatory to use ssh connexions by now. Cheers, Stefan ========================================================================= Stefan A. Deutscher | (+33-(0)1) voice fax Laboratoire des Collisions Atomiques et | LCAM : 6915-7699 6915-7671 Mol\'{e}culaires (LCAM), B\^{a}timent 351 | home : 5624-0992 5624-0992 Universit\'{e} de Paris-Sud | email: sad@utk.edu 91405 Orsay Cedex, France (Europe) | (forwarded to France) ========================================================================= Do you know what they call a quarter-pounder with cheese in Paris? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 1 08:21:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28582 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA28785 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard problems with K-95 Date: 1 Oct 1998 12:21:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 55 Message-ID: <6uvs3k$o25$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6uoh8c$nt8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <361198E0.829BAABD@aik.tec.sc.us> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9269 In article <361198E0.829BAABD@aik.tec.sc.us>, Ray Timmons wrote: : Jeffrey Altman wrote: : > : > One of the bugs (features) in Windows 95/98 is that Microsoft chose not : > to implement support for multiple keyboard layouts in Console applications. : > Therefore, we had to do it ourselves within Kermit 95. : > : > If you have installed multiple keyboard layouts in Windows 95/98, then : > K95 when it is started will begin with the default layout. After that : > point the Alt-Left Shift and Ctrl-Left Shift combinations are used to : > cycle through all of the available layouts. : > : oUCH! (Oops there goes that CAP-LOCK again.) The Alt-Left Shift : explains : some of the problems I've seen. My usual way to scroll back a screen : is : to hold down Alt-Left Shift and then press PgUp how many times I need. Just make sure that when you press Alt-Left_Shift that you press PgUp, PgDn, or End at least once. Then it won't happen. : I also have another problem. When the focus goes back to a K95 : window, : it transmits the Gold or PF1 Key (Numlock on PC). Unfortunately many : years : ago we mapped that on the VAX to launch a program for all our users, : so I : have to wait for it to launch and then exit. This is the same bug as CapsLock in Win95/98. When you change focus it attempts to synchronize the state of the keys and generates an input key event which is transmitted to K95. K95 has no way of knowing whether the event is user generated or system generated. Therefore, it must process it. If you have PF1 assigned to NumLock, then PF1 will be sent to the host. You can do what you are doing now, unmap the NumLock key, switch to Windows NT, or (I hate to say it) don't use Kermit. It will be interesting to see what Microsoft does over the next six months. Last month Microsoft's NT group started shipping a Beta product called NT Services for Unix Add-On. This provides a Telnet daemon for NT and a console based telnet client that uses NT Lan Manager authentication and a new NT specific virtual terminal type to communicate with their Telnetd. However, because it is a console client they are going to start to see all of the problems that K95 has with Win95/98. Maybe they will finally start fix things. (or maybe not.) Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 1 08:23:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28754 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:23:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA28813 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet disconnect Date: 1 Oct 1998 12:23:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <6uvs7q$o33$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9270 In article , Lygo Systems wrote: : Telnet disconnection due to reboot. : : I have a number of users connecting with MS-DOS Kermit telnet sessions : into Redhat Linux (4.2 & 5.1). If they close the connection with the : normal Kermit exit command without first logging off, then the telnet : session is closed on Linux which is just what I want. If, however, they : reboot their PC with ALT CTL DEL then the session stays active. : : The reason that this is a problem is that they are running the Pick/D3 : database which has a limited number of active users allowed to be logged : on at the same time. If they reboot their PC then that will effectively : lose one user unless the previous session is automatically logged off. : Pick has a couple of commands that in theory should deal with the : situation: DCD-ON and TRAP DCD EXIT. In other words if DCD is lost then : the session should be automatically closed. But it ain't happening... : : This is not a Pick specific problem because the same thing happens if they : just log into Linux. I don't know if it's a Kermit problem as the : same thing happens with another Telnet client that I use. : : Any suggestions would be gratefully received. : : Bill. The problem is not in Kermit. The problem is that there is no way for a TCP/IP application to determine that the other end of the socket is no longer valid unless it attempts to send data. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 1 09:04:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04126 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA01099 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ssh support in Kermit? Date: 1 Oct 1998 13:03:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 92 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <6uvujs$p7t$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6uookl$njm$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: kermit-support@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9271 In article <6uookl$njm$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: : Are there any plans to support the ssh (secure shell) protocol in : future versions of Kermit (either Kermit 95 or C Kermit)? The quick answer is 'Yes'. The long answer is "SSH support is not necessarily what you want to do" and I will explain that later on. In fact, if you look in the archives of this newsgroup you will find that last March I posted an article asking for users interested in testing SSH support for Kermit 95 to contact me. At the time I had taken the Unix SSHv1 distribution which is copyright SSH Communications and modified it to run as a DLL based session handler for Kermit 95. In general it worked well but due to the poor design of the SSH code, when an SSH error occurred the DLL would terminate the K95 process. Not quite what a user would want. When 1.1.16 was released it was my intention to ship it with Kerberos 4, Kerberos 5, SRP, and SSH. However, since Kermit 95 is a commercial product we would need to pay licensing fees to Data Fellows for the use of their code; and we would need to pay patent licensing fees for the RSA algorithms which are required by SSHv1. Remember, The Kermit Project is a self funding not-for- profit. If we were to license RSA or SSH for Kermit 95 the cost of the product would have to increase. If we were to license it for C-Kermit we would have to start charging. The money must come from somewhere. SSHv2 was also very close to being completed. The benefits of SSHv2 are that it does not use the RSA algorithms for key exchange instead using the Diffie-Hellman algorithm whose patent expired last year. That means it doesn't require a patent license. SSHv2 also closes some rather bad weaknesses in the security provided by SSHv1. SSHv2 is also an IETF Standards Track protocol. This means that there will have to be multiple interoperable implementations some of which we assume will be free and not requiring licensing payments to Data Fellows. This is especially important due to the language of the new SSH Communications license for non-commerical use of SSH which makes it impossible for a University such as Columbia to install SSH on a machine if it will ever be used for an system administration function (such as logging in as root). At the present time there are several projects underway to implement a Free SSHv2 library. When that is complete we will integrate it into Kermit. There are some other things to be aware of. Although the IETF has a working group which is managing the SSHv2 process, my impression is that the IETF does not see SSHv2 as being anything more than a very short term method for secure connections. Long term the IETF solution is IPSec. The medium term solution is TLSv1 (the successor to SSL). TLSv1 is being added to almost every protocol in use on the Internet today in order to add transport layer security while we wait for IPSec to become fully deployed. The Telnet option for TLS is working its way through the standards process and the Kermit Project is a part of that. I have already implemented it in C-Kermit and Kermit 95 using Eric Young's SSLeay package which is freely available. I will have a telnetd that implements it sometime over the next couple of weeks. The current state of affairs is rather unfortunate. SSHv1 is widely deployed and due to the licensing terms of its inventor will probably not migrate to SSHv2 at a rapid pace. SSHv1 cannot be implemented legally within the United States without incurring a significant cost. SSHv2 is a better protocol but freeware versions are not yet available and even if they were would most likely not meet your needs due to the lack of migration from SSHv1. When we do implement secure connections we can't export them. So adding SSH does not help our worldwide friends one bit and once we add calls to secure routines in C-Kermit it makes it impossible for us to distribute the full source code set for C-Kermit on the Internet due to the same export restrictions imposed by the U.S. Government. So the end result is that while we want to provide support for every security method available on the Internet we are not always able to so in a timely manner given the environment within which the Kermit Project operates. There are competing demands for our limited resources and we can't always do what seems like the nature As a post script, there is a little known interface in Kermit 95 which is documented at ftp://ftp.kermit-project.org/kermit/k95/k95dll/ which was designed to allow a customer to implement a proprietary driver for K95 could be used to implement SSH by a group outside of the Kermit Project. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 1 09:54:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18170 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03725 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet disconnect Date: 1 Oct 1998 13:54:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-ID: <6v01in$qtb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9272 In article , Lygo Systems wrote: : Telnet disconnection due to reboot. : : I have a number of users connecting with MS-DOS Kermit telnet sessions : into Redhat Linux (4.2 & 5.1). If they close the connection with the : normal Kermit exit command without first logging off, then the telnet : session is closed on Linux which is just what I want. If, however, they : reboot their PC with ALT CTL DEL then the session stays active. : : The reason that this is a problem is that they are running the Pick/D3 : database which has a limited number of active users allowed to be logged : on at the same time. If they reboot their PC then that will effectively : lose one user unless the previous session is automatically logged off. : Pick has a couple of commands that in theory should deal with the : situation: DCD-ON and TRAP DCD EXIT. In other words if DCD is lost then : the session should be automatically closed. But it ain't happening... : By design, it is not possible for the application on one end of a TCP/IP connection to detect that the connection is broken, except by trying to send data on the connection (as Jeff pointed out). Remember, TCP/IP is not a point-to-point connection like you get with a modem (which has a constant, out-of-band carrier signal that gives the status of the connection), nor is it a virtual circuit as in X.25. In fact, IP packets are datagrams that can arrive (or not) from any direction at any time at all. Datagrams are a feature of a connectionless protocol, which, in a sense, means there is no connection at the IP level. There is a little-used keepalive mechanism at the TCP level to allow the end partners of a TCP session to detect when there has been no activity for a certain amount of time, but even when it is used, the timeout is generally set an an hour or more. In general, it is each application's responsibility to monitor the connection in some application-specific way. For example, a UNIX login shell might time out and exit if there has been no i/o for (say) 20 minutes. However, applications like Telnet do not include any *active* form of monitoring. If the server disappears, the client never finds out until the user presses a key (which causes an i/o attempt on the broken session). But if the client disappears, there is no user on the server end to press a key, so the server might easily wait forever for the next message from the client. When Kermit is told to exit, it closes any open connections. But obviously, if a PC is turned off, or crashes, neither Kermit nor the underlying TCP/IP stack have any way to send close messages, and so any connection partners are left waiting for an indeterminate amount of time for IP packets to arrive from the great beyond. I think you will see the same behavior no matter what Telnet client you use. It's not a Kermit problem; it's a TCP/IP protocol feature. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 1 10:07:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22214 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04481 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Attn: MS NT Services for Unix (Beta 2) Users Followup-To: poster Date: 1 Oct 1998 14:07:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6v02ar$rda$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9273 If you are a registered Kermit 95 user and have installed Microsoft's NT Services for Unix (Beta 2) which is downloadable from http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/News/September1998/NTserv4UNIX.asp?custarea=bus&site=ntw&openmenu=ntwhome&highlighteditem= and would like to use Kermit 95 as your VTNT terminal, reply to this posting via e-mail. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 1 10:33:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01187 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05848 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!mobster.newyork.wirehub.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!server3.netnews.ja.net!server4.netnews.ja.net!server2.netnews.ja.net!bham!not-for-mail From: Brian McCauley Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet disconnect Date: 01 Oct 1998 13:09:19 +0100 Organization: Wolfson Computer Lab, University of Birmingham, England Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9274 lsystemsd@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Lygo Systems") writes: > I have a number of users connecting with MS-DOS Kermit telnet sessions > into Redhat Linux (4.2 & 5.1). If they close the connection with the > normal Kermit exit command without first logging off, then the telnet > session is closed on Linux which is just what I want. If, however, they > reboot their PC with ALT CTL DEL then the session stays active. > > The reason that this is a problem is that they are running the Pick/D3 > database which has a limited number of active users allowed to be logged > on at the same time. If they reboot their PC then that will effectively > lose one user unless the previous session is automatically logged off. > Pick has a couple of commands that in theory should deal with the > situation: DCD-ON and TRAP DCD EXIT. In other words if DCD is lost then > the session should be automatically closed. But it ain't happening... The TCP connection is implemented over the connectionless IP layer - there is no "carrier". The only way that TCP gets to find out that the PC has been rebooted is if it sends an IP packet. It only does this if there's something to send. There is such a thing as a TCP keepalive option. This will cause TCP connections to timeout eventually but not soon. I guess you could hack the telnetd to send a telnet NOP periodically as a sort of application level keepalive. -- \\ ( ) No male bovine | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo faeces from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37... # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | http://www.wcl.bham.ac.uk/~bam/ ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 1 14:09:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05408 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA16787 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-2!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-3!paralynx!paralynx-4!van-bc!paralynx!paralynx-1!cyclone.bc.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@82.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet disconnect Date: 1 Oct 1998 16:39:49 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 36 Message-ID: <6v0b8l$ppa$1@samba.rahul.net> References: Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9275 Lygo Systems (lsystemsd@cix.compulink.co.uk) wrote: : I have a number of users connecting with MS-DOS Kermit telnet sessions : into Redhat Linux (4.2 & 5.1). If they close the connection with the : normal Kermit exit command without first logging off, then the telnet : session is closed on Linux which is just what I want. If, however, they : reboot their PC with ALT CTL DEL then the session stays active. This is a historical problem with PC users on the 'net ;-) If the PC logs off, or shuts down TCP in an orderly fashion, the connection is terminated, but if the connection just "goes away", the Unix side stays alive for a length of time indicated in the driver... I believe it is adjustable as a "KEEPALIVE", but I recall that it wasn't useful for my application, a few years ago. The problem seemed to diminish by virtue of Win95, where the TCP driver stayed "up", instead of earlier systems (like some Mac apps), where the driver was unloaded abruptly, without a proper disconnect. I don't know that the Mac case was a reboot, but the problem can be simulated on a PC by a reboot. I doubt that the typical user reboots when finished with a telnet session, though, so I suspect it is MS-Kermit being terminated incorrectly. MSKermit has its own TCP layer, so if it is killed off, rather than closing the connection, the TCP layer suddenly disappears. The distant end doesn't find out until the TCP layer is reloaded at some later time. If you can implement an idle timeout, that should work to break these connections. Currently, I implement a separate task, at login time, that watches the time stamp on the terminal device, and closes the connection if there is no activity. Unfortunately, a displayed "clock" in elm keeps updating the screen, and prevents my idle timer from killing a session if elm is left running. --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 1 18:14:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA08687 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA00561 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:14:40 -0400 (EDT) From: pygmy@eskimo.com (Frank Sergeant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: overlays and IBM characters via telnet? Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:18:14 -0500 Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever Lines: 80 Message-ID: Reply-To: frank.sergeant@pobox.com NNTP-Posting-Host: eskimo.com Originator: pygmy@eskimo.com Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-2!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-3!paralynx!paralynx-4!van-bc!paralynx!paralynx-1!news.vphos.net!news.idt.net!nntp2.cerf.net!nntp3.cerf.net!mvb.saic.com!news.eskimo.com!pygmy Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9276 Jay Bratcher on the linux-msdos@vger.rutgers.edu list wrote: > Russell Poyner wrote: > > > > I am running a custom database program under dosemu that uses a > > lot of the fancier text-mode features including IBM graphic > > characters, overlays, colors and blinking text. It looks great > > in xdos and I wonder if anyone knows of a telnet or PC-term type > > program that I could run on a remote machine that would display > > this stuff properly. > > My hardware recycling dream is to run this telnet program on an > > old 8086 DOS box I have. The database program is a bit slow when > > run native on the 8086, but should be fast when run on the server > > under dosemu and accessed via telnet. > I think it sounds fairly sane - have you considered kermit? I have used Kermit for DOS (MSK) successfully to telnet from a DOS machine over ethernet to a Linux box and then run a Clipper application under the DOS emulator. The DOS machine used an NE2000 card. I downloaded the freely available packet driver for NE2000. MSK supplied the TCP/IP and telnet. The display is pretty good and at least most of the keys are working ok. I wasn't able to put MSK into 25 line mode, but I was able to configure the Clipper application to use only 24 lines. (I have also used Kermit 95 in this fashion from a Windows 95 machine using W95 networking with good results -- it works fine in 25-line mode. I have even used a one-floppy Linux disk to boot Linux and supply the Ethernet, TCP/IP, and telnet -- of course this requires at least a '386.) Here is the CLIPPER.KSC file I use with MSK. If anyone tries this and makes any improvements (or figures how to put MSK in 25-line mode), please post or email me the details. ; fcs ; Setup keys for DOS Kermit to work with Clipper app under dosemu on linux ; Double up on the \30 for Ctrl-PgDn as it is the escape code in dosemu set key \1398 \30\30 ; Ctrl-PageDown set key \5494 \30\30 ; Gray-Ctrl-PageDown set key \1412 \31 ; Ctrl-PageUp set key \5508 \31 ; Gray-Ctrl-PageUp set key \337 \3 ; PageDown set key \4433 \3 ; Gray-PageDown set key \329 \18 ; PageUp set key \4425 \18 ; Gray-PageUp set key \327 \1 ; Home set key \4423 \1 ; Home set key \335 \6 ; End set key \4431 \6 ; End set key \315 \28 ; K_F1 set key \316 \x1B[[B ; K_F2 use the K95 sequence set key \317 \x1B[[C ; K_F3 use the K95 sequence set key \318 \x1B[[D ; K_F4 use the K95 sequence set key \319 \x1B[[E ; K_F5 set key \320 \x1B[17~ ; K_F6 set key \321 \x1B[18~ ; K_F7 set key \322 \x1B[19~ ; K_F8 set key \323 \x1B[20~ ; K_F9 set key \324 \x1B[21~ ; K_F10 set key \389 \x1B[22~ ; K_F11 set key \390 \x1B[23~ ; K_F12 ; I'd like to do the following for Alt-C, but it comes ; out as \46 instead of \302 ;set key \2147 \302 ; Alt-C ;set mode-line on set mode-line off From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 1 18:28:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09937 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA01354 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: overlays and IBM characters via telnet? Date: 1 Oct 1998 22:28:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6v0vlu$ft0$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9277 In article , Frank Sergeant wrote: : ; I'd like to do the following for Alt-C, but it comes : ; out as \46 instead of \302 : ;set key \2147 \302 ; Alt-C : 46 = 302 % 256 you want set key \2147 \{30}2 Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 1 21:03:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA28173 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA09048 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Restrict Kermit to a paticuliar directory Message-ID: Date: 1 Oct 98 16:11:10 MDT References: <36128727.8AA6000E@jea.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9278 In article <36128727.8AA6000E@jea.com>, Duke Nguyen writes: > I am trying to set up a modem connection and use Kermit to transfer > files, however, I need to restrict Kermit to a particuliar directory > (like how ftp works). As of now, when I run Kermit, I have full access > to the system, so I need to restict this. > > Any advice or assistance wold be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Duke --------- How depends upon which Kermit you are using. Please do specify that, the version, and o/s too. ENABLE/DISABLE are the commands used in MS-DOS Kermit, and each takes an optional time to deal with (use ? for the item to get a list of them). Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 2 12:57:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28071 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA20196 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!ultraneo.neosoft.com!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!not-for-mail From: Jiayang Sun Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using Kermit to transfer files between two solaris systems Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:48:37 -0400 Organization: CWRU Lines: 16 Message-ID: <361503E5.2F6B5EC5@sun.cwru.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sun.stat.cwru.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9279 Hi, I have a sun running solaris on a network and another sun home. Do you know how to transfer files using kermit after dailing from a home sun to a network sun? After I submitted "receive file", the kermit responded "Return to your local Kermit and give a SEND command...KERMIT READY TO RECEIVE..." How do I return to local kermit on a sun? Thanks much, J Sun ---------------------------------------------------------------- jiayang@sun.cwru.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 2 13:33:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA09498 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA22095 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using Kermit to transfer files between two solaris systems Date: 2 Oct 1998 17:33:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6v32oj$dn6$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <361503E5.2F6B5EC5@sun.cwru.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9280 In article <361503E5.2F6B5EC5@sun.cwru.edu>, Jiayang Sun wrote: : I have a sun running solaris on a network and another sun : home. Do you know how to transfer files using kermit : after dailing from a home sun to a network sun? : : After I submitted "receive file", the kermit : responded "Return to your local Kermit and give : a SEND command...KERMIT READY TO RECEIVE..." : How do I return to local kermit on a sun? : Ctrl-\ followed by the letter "c". - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Oct 4 10:55:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00211 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28677 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!not-for-mail From: jeffml@LOOK-IN-SIG.com (Jeff Lightfoot) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ssh support in Kermit? Date: 4 Oct 1998 13:02:49 GMT Organization: Oh, ok. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6v7rlp$4ir@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> References: <6uookl$njm$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: netcom5.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Oct 04 8:02:49 AM CDT 1998 NNTP-Posting-User: jeffml X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test67 (15 July 1998) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9281 sad@utk.edu wrote: >>Are there any plans to support the ssh (secure shell) protocol in >>future versions of Kermit (either Kermit 95 or C Kermit)? > >Nice question, and amazingly little response so far :-( Think about ssh >vs. kerberos what you want, but some sites make it mandatory to use ssh >connexions by now. SSH probably won't be in Kermit due to licensing restrictions. But... you can easily setup port forwarding with SSH and have Kermit connect through it. With a little scripting, you can make it seamless. -- jeffml @ Jeff Lightfoot pobox.com http://thefoots.com/ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Oct 4 11:45:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06205 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01417 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!post.servtech.com!hal9000.buf.servtech.com!spamguard!rchandra From: rchandra.spamguard@spamguard.letter.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet disconnect Date: 4 Oct 1998 15:34:36 GMT Organization: Verio New York Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6v84ic$s5i$1@post.servtech.com> References: Reply-To: rchandra.spamguard@spamguard.letter.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hal9000.buf.servtech.com Originator: 0x804b6c0@0x804b560 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9282 If your TCP connections disappear suddenly, I would suggest logging into your Linux systems as an appropriately privileged user (the UID that began your Pick session or the superuser) and send the shell or Pick a hangup signal. Also, that DCD stuff in Pick may be necessary. Of course, this is a manual process and doesn't help you much if it needs to be automated. Also, if your Pick users are individuals (each has a separate login...e.g., not a shared login), in their login script (.profile, .login, or whatever is appropriate for the "shell" they run), you could search out any Pick or user shell process owned by that user, and "hang up" on it (parse the output of ps with perl or awk). Or, you might allow each user up to "n" number of Pick processes, count them in the ps listing, and kill off excess instances of the program. Hint: sort the ps output by UID with "ps auxOU" (the "OU" part). -- Oooooo-oooo-oooo-ooooo, Oooooo-oooo-oooo-ooooo, Ooooo-weem-oh-wum-ooo-ayyy In the jungle, the silicon jungle, the process sleeps tonight. Joe Philipps http://www.servtech.com/~rchandra/ You know what you have to do to send email to me successfully :^) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Oct 5 11:04:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28683 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA10995 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!worldfeed.news.gte.net!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon01.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: underlay@swbell.net (David Stephens) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95CINIT doesn't init port Message-ID: <3618dc68.1093183@news.swbell.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 14:49:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.193.24.5 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon01.swbell.net 907599018 207.193.24.5 (Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:50:18 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:50:18 CDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9284 Trying to figure out how to get Kermit to play with internal modem... Found references to K95CINIT, tried to run it, but still getting msg about unable to use port. I noticed that when I run K95CINIT, a window pops up very briefly, and it looks like the port being initialized is COM1 - but my modem is COM2. Is there something I need to be doing to tell K95CINIT _which_ port is to be initialized? TIA, Dave Stephens ***************************************************************** "Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral." - Rev. Lovejoy From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Oct 5 11:48:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12206 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA13890 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95CINIT doesn't init port Date: 5 Oct 1998 15:48:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6vapnr$diu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3618dc68.1093183@news.swbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9285 In article <3618dc68.1093183@news.swbell.net>, David Stephens wrote: : Trying to figure out how to get Kermit to play with internal modem... : Found references to K95CINIT, tried to run it, but still getting msg : about unable to use port. I noticed that when I run K95CINIT, a window : pops up very briefly, and it looks like the port being initialized is : COM1 - but my modem is COM2. Is there something I need to be doing to : tell K95CINIT _which_ port is to be initialized? : : TIA, : Dave Stephens K95CINIT.EXE as in K95CINIT.EXE COM2 Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Oct 5 20:21:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA13073 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA13739 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!master.news.rcn.net!not-for-mail From: "Chris Cigna" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit scripts for SunOS Unix Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:22:10 -0000 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6vbnqe$d85$1@winter.news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-125-34.s34.as10.nyb.erols.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 907633294 13573 207.172.125.34 (6 Oct 1998 00:21:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9286 Can anyone out there who can email me an example of a script that logs into a remote system and get's a file? I think I got everything down except how to do this non interactively If I run the script it asks me for a login and password. I need to run this script from cron and I can't seem to get the user and password defined. Thanks, cignac@erols.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Oct 6 11:24:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23994 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA00510 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.org.decus,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DECMATE & Kermit Date: 6 Oct 1998 15:24:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-ID: <6vdcne$shn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.dec:68428 comp.org.decus:9468 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9287 "Karl Stratman" wrote: > > I'm interested in porting 18MB on 5.25" RX50 DEC floppies to > 3.5" IBM floppies. I have a DEC DECMATE WPS Op. System. The RX50's are > single-sided, unique density, unique RPM drives and cannot be read from a > IBM 5.25" drive. The DECMATE WPS has minimal formatting embedded in the > files, much like WIN/NOTEPAD. > > I'm told that if I use a null-modem cable (with 2 wires crossed) to hook > my DECMATE to my PC, and that if I use kermit or Window's hyperterminal, > that I then ought to be able to convert the 46 diskettes, one file at a > time, using serial communications, much like driving a daisy-wheel > printer from my DECMATE, or like reading from a serial-port from my IBM. > > Will this work? Do I need one or two copies of KERMIT? Any other tips? > Yes, you will need two copies of Kermit. On Win95, you can take your chances with HyperTerminal, which we do not support, or you can use Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html which we do. The situation on the DECmate is a lot more complicated. We do have a Kermit program for it, but we don't have any way of giving it to you on diskette. So you'll need to find some way to do that yourself, unless you can find somebody else (perhaps the DECUS library) that can send you the DECmate version of Kermit on RX50. You might also try one of the DEC-oriented newsgroups. You can find DECmate Kermit at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/d/k12*.* Good luck! - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Oct 6 11:57:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04682 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02379 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@96.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit scripts for SunOS Unix Date: 6 Oct 1998 15:57:36 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6vdelg$mmi$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <6vbnqe$d85$1@winter.news.erols.com> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9288 Chris Cigna (cignac@erols.com) wrote: : I think I got everything down except how to do this non interactively : If I run the script it asks me for a login and password. If you don't mind having your password sitting somewhere as plain text, you could use Kermit-95 to generate the scripts for you, which then, through the magic of Kermit portability, would run on SunOS. In K-95, if you "create an icon" for an entry where you have already supplied a login name and password, that icon points to a script, which, along with login.scr, will reside in your Kermit-95 scripts directory. Use those as examples of how to login. I suppose if you wanted to obfuscate the password, you could have a small program with an internally scrambled stored password, which would invoke kermit with a command line argument containing the password. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Oct 6 15:49:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15255 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA18924 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK316 & SET TERMINAL TYPE Organization: Pacifier Online Data Service From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.2.117.161 Message-ID: <361a73fa.0@news.pacifier.com> Date: 6 Oct 1998 12:48:10 +0700 X-Trace: 6 Oct 1998 12:48:10 +0700, 199.2.117.161 Lines: 18 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news1.ltinet.net!pacifier!news.pacifier.com!mikef Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9289 I'm using the latest Alpha of Ms-KERMIT V3.16 (I believe it's Alpha.05). As I use a speech synthesizer/screen-reader software to read the screen, I set things to keep the verbage to a minimum. Among other things, this means "SET MODE-LINE OFF". My problem: If one does a "SET TERMINAL TYPE ANSI", then "CONNECT", whatever one is going to do, then escapes back to the MS-KERMIT prompt, sets the terminal-type to anything else such as "SET TERMINAL TYPE VT320", then does another "CONNECT", my MODE_LINE setting is forgotten, i.e., the little blurb about which keystrokes do what is displayed even though I have done a "SET MODE-LINE OFF" in my initialization. To me, this is more than a feature; it's a bug. :-) :-) Obviously, now that I've figured out what the problem is, I can go back in and reset MODE_LINE but it would be nice if I didn't have to. Mike Freeman; Internet: mikef@pacifier.com; Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ /* PGP2.6.2 Public Key available via my ".plan" file */ Spelling is a lossed art. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Oct 6 15:57:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17150 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19704 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Vax K32 Still Wierd - More Info.... References: <6us355$s45$1@ink.msen.com> Organization: Pacifier Online Data Service From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.2.117.161 Message-ID: <361a75dc.0@news.pacifier.com> Date: 6 Oct 1998 12:56:12 +0700 X-Trace: 6 Oct 1998 12:56:12 +0700, 199.2.117.161 Lines: 8 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news1.ltinet.net!pacifier!news.pacifier.com!mikef Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9290 On the C-Kermit side, try SET ATTRIBUTE OFF. Although Kermit-32 understands packets up to 1Kb in length, I do not believe it supports attribute packets. I have it here and will fire it up after a while and see. Mike Freeman; Internet: mikef@pacifier.com; Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ /* PGP2.6.2 Public Key available via my ".plan" file */ Spelling is a lossed art. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Oct 6 21:02:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA25651 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA14265 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 21:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK316 & SET TERMINAL TYPE Message-ID: Date: 6 Oct 98 16:12:13 MDT References: <361a73fa.0@news.pacifier.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9291 In article <361a73fa.0@news.pacifier.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) writes: > I'm using the latest Alpha of Ms-KERMIT V3.16 (I believe it's Alpha.05). > As I use a speech synthesizer/screen-reader software to read the screen, I > set things to keep the verbage to a minimum. Among other things, this > means "SET MODE-LINE OFF". > > My problem: If one does a "SET TERMINAL TYPE ANSI", then "CONNECT", > whatever one is going to do, then escapes back to the MS-KERMIT prompt, > sets the terminal-type to anything else such as "SET TERMINAL TYPE VT320", > then does another "CONNECT", my MODE_LINE setting is forgotten, i.e., the > little blurb about which keystrokes do what is displayed even though I > have done a "SET MODE-LINE OFF" in my initialization. To me, this is more > than a feature; it's a bug. :-) :-) Obviously, now that I've figured out > what the problem is, I can go back in and reset MODE_LINE but it would be > nice if I didn't have to. --------- It's not so much a bug, annoying as it may be, as it is a consequence of forcing off the mode line when ANSI terminal type is selected. Changing to another terminal type puts the mode line back to default ON condition. It is a question of not wanting too many layers of rememberence, and far too many if (terminal_type == ansi) {...}; special cases all over in the code. I suggest an easy workaround to reduce typing. Define a macro which sets the terminal kind and mode line, and another for each different kind of terminal and operating condition. I use this extensively here when talking to different machines, particularly between Unix flavor (where the BackSpace key sends BS) and VMS etc flavors (where it sends DEL). Then just state the name of the macro at the Kermit prompt to have its contents read as Kermit commands. Test example: def fooup echo this is macro fooup, echo another line, echo last line def foodown echo this is macro foodown, echo line two, echo last line or def ansi set term ansi def vt320 set term vt320, set mode-line off and so on. I hope this helps. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 7 05:52:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA05651 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 05:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA20594 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 05:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-2!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-1!cyclone.bc.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!orion.cst.tpsa.pl!news.tpnet.pl!not-for-mail From: "Do³omisiewicz" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can anybody send me a full version of help file to Crosstalk XVI? X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 09:55:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.117.148.156 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tpsa.pl X-Trace: news.tpnet.pl 907754133 195.117.148.156 (Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:55:33 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:55:33 MET DST Organization: TPNET - http://www.tpnet.pl Lines: 65 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9292 I am a doctor in hospital. nam John Paul II in Zamosc.I am joining with neurphysiology.In my lab I have electromyograph Phasis II made by Esaotebiomedica.The Phasis posses VERSAdos operating system.The Esaotebiomedica gave me a program which calls PHCOM.The original aim of this program is to make hardcopy of current screen of Phasis , send it to PC and save as *.pcx file.The program PHCOM is based on KERMIT and/or XMODEM protocol.The help file in PHCOM program was cleared by Esaotebiomedica -I assume not to use the program to any other purposes.Due to presence of this (mainly Kermit) protocols I recognised structure of directory hard disk on Phasis.I have found similar program which uses Kermit or Xmodem protocol on Phasis to transfer the files to PC.I made o lot of effort ( I'am not computer sciences engeneer) to transfer for example single patient catalog from Phasis to PC- succesfully.The main aim of my effort is, to make with cooperation with some other person the program which will compare the data from single patient's catalog on Phasis to normative data of reffering tests(e.g.nerve conduction velocity) on PC; make the final report and send it to hospital network of UNIX.The problem is that sometimes transfer of data is quite good(in ASCII or binary mode-I prefer ASCII) sometimes transfer stopps and appears message about program errors.In a couple of minutes appears next massage: ....Maximum errors reached.Transfer cancelled by remote operator.(over 21 errors). When I typed in command window in PHCOM program word: ver. -the program answered...Crosstalk XVI ver.3,71. Can anybody send me a full version of help file to Crosstalk XVI? The list of commands looks as follows: List of Crosstalk commands NAme NUmber ANswback APrefix ATten AWrap BReak DEbug DPrefix DRive DSuffix EDit EMulate EPath FIlter HKey POrt PWord RDials RQest SCreen SNapshot SStep SUmmary SWitch TImer TKey TUrnarnd VIdeo ACcept CWait DNames FKeys GO INfilter LFauto LOad LWait MOde QUit RUn SAve SEnd TErminat XDos BKsize BLankex BYe CApture CDir COmmand CStatus DAta DIr DO DUplex ERase FLow GKermit HAndshak HElp KErmit LBreak LIst MAxerrs NO OUtfiltr PArity PIcture PMode PRinter RCve RKermit RXmodem SPeed STop TAbex TYpe UConly WRite XKermit XMit XType XXmodem For more information on a command, type "help xx" where "xx" is the command name (for example, "help LO" for information on the LOad command). If you need more general help, type "help general" or "help call". =Command.. For more information on a command, type "help xx" where "xx" is the command name (for example, "help LO" for information on the LOad command). If you need more general help, type "help general" or "help call". = help call.. Crosstalk HELP directory not found... no help available. Sorry. press ENTER: Wladyslaw Dolomisiewicz e mail: dolomis@szpital.zamosc.tpnet.pl From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 7 06:25:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA09825 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA12450 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 06:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!207.178.60.5!nntp1.wolfe.net!news.wolfe.net!not-for-mail From: "Baus" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using Procomm to transfer files to Kermit Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:20:29 -0700 Organization: Baus & Associates Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6vetl2$a1v$1@sparky.wolfe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sea-e21.wolfenet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9293 Any reason I should be having problems transfering files from Procomm DOS to a PC running Kermit server? Steve From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 7 07:37:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA09645 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA16405 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-b.ais.net!ais.net!news.ais.net!ameritech.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!mercury.vcu.edu!kguyre From: Jim Agnew Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.org.decus,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DECMATE & Kermit Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 15:34:06 -0400 Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University Lines: 62 Distribution: world Message-ID: <361A70AE.DD155A5B@anacin.nsc.vcu.edu> References: <6vdcne$shn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.172.89.235 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.dec:68459 comp.org.decus:9474 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9294 1. If you have any terminal emulator at all... 2. and have a way to go from ascii plaintext to a runnable image, I uploaded kermit to a DEC VT180 Robin by: Start term proggie setup a time delay on the host to type the ascii code at you. exit term proggie, use a pip command to copy the input from terminal line/modem into a file it took me 3 tries to get a kermit running roughly enough to support a download, but it worked, i then downloaded kermit again with the downloaded image to ensure i had a good copy.. good luck, dunno if any of this will help... it's been years since i've seen a decmate. Frank da Cruz wrote: > > "Karl Stratman" wrote: > > > > I'm interested in porting 18MB on 5.25" RX50 DEC floppies to > > 3.5" IBM floppies. I have a DEC DECMATE WPS Op. System. The RX50's are > > single-sided, unique density, unique RPM drives and cannot be read from a > > IBM 5.25" drive. The DECMATE WPS has minimal formatting embedded in the > > files, much like WIN/NOTEPAD. > > > > I'm told that if I use a null-modem cable (with 2 wires crossed) to hook > > my DECMATE to my PC, and that if I use kermit or Window's hyperterminal, > > that I then ought to be able to convert the 46 diskettes, one file at a > > time, using serial communications, much like driving a daisy-wheel > > printer from my DECMATE, or like reading from a serial-port from my IBM. > > > > Will this work? Do I need one or two copies of KERMIT? Any other tips? > > > Yes, you will need two copies of Kermit. On Win95, you can take your chances > with HyperTerminal, which we do not support, or you can use Kermit 95: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html > > which we do. The situation on the DECmate is a lot more complicated. We do > have a Kermit program for it, but we don't have any way of giving it to you > on diskette. So you'll need to find some way to do that yourself, unless you > can find somebody else (perhaps the DECUS library) that can send you the > DECmate version of Kermit on RX50. You might also try one of the DEC-oriented > newsgroups. > > You can find DECmate Kermit at: > > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/d/k12*.* > > Good luck! > > - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 7 07:43:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA09992 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA16682 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 07:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!colt.net!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!orion.cst.tpsa.pl!news.tpnet.pl!not-for-mail Message-ID: <361B5412.EE4E48B0@zt.bialap.tpsa.pl> From: Szczepan Pekala X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Wyse60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:47:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.204.163.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tpsa.pl X-Trace: news.tpnet.pl 907760850 194.204.163.36 (Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:47:30 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 13:47:30 MET DST Organization: TPNET - http://www.tpnet.pl Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9295 Can kermit for MS-DOS emulate terminal type Wyse60? I have kermit for ms-dos version 3.14. Thanks for help -- Szczepan Pekala e-mail: hepi@zt.bialap.tpsa.pl http://www.bialap.tpsa.pl/Hepi/index.htm From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 7 08:28:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12960 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA19058 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 08:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Wyse60 Date: 7 Oct 1998 12:28:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6vfmoo$395$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <361B5412.EE4E48B0@zt.bialap.tpsa.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9296 In article <361B5412.EE4E48B0@zt.bialap.tpsa.pl>, Szczepan Pekala wrote: : Can kermit for MS-DOS emulate terminal type Wyse60? : I have kermit for ms-dos version 3.14. : No. MS-DOS Kermit only emulates the Wyse 50. Kermit 95 emulates the Wyse 60 terminal. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 7 09:06:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19295 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21252 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using Procomm to transfer files to Kermit Date: 7 Oct 1998 13:06:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6vfp1g$4ep$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6vetl2$a1v$1@sparky.wolfe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9297 In article <6vetl2$a1v$1@sparky.wolfe.net>, Baus wrote: : Any reason I should be having problems transfering files from Procomm DOS to : a PC running Kermit server? : There could be any number of reasons. Why don't you prepare a full report stating the connection type and characteristics, communications and protocol settings on each end, machine types and OS, etc, and send it to: kermit-support@columbia.edu - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 7 11:27:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26813 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28876 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@09.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using Procomm to transfer files to Kermit Date: 7 Oct 1998 15:27:07 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6vg18b$8vm$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <6vetl2$a1v$1@sparky.wolfe.net> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9298 Baus (baus@wolfenet.com) wrote: : Any reason I should be having problems transfering files from Procomm DOS to : a PC running Kermit server? Early ProcommDOS was pathetically slow for Kermit, with limited packet sizes. Later Procomm allowed larger packets, and even "superkermit", their name for a decent kermit implementation. But... No, Procomm should work fine, as would MSKermit. Kermit is available on the Internet via anonymous ftp from host watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2] http://www.columbia.edu/kermit kermit/read.me kermit/bin/read.me explain file locations. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 7 11:46:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03775 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01481 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!gerlach From: gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H. Gerlach) Subject: Re: Telnet disconnect Message-ID: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <6v0b8l$ppa$1@samba.rahul.net> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:37:08 GMT Lines: 16 Sender: gerlach@netcom14.netcom.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9299 In article <6v0b8l$ppa$1@samba.rahul.net> dold@network.rahul.net writes: >Lygo Systems (lsystemsd@cix.compulink.co.uk) wrote: > >: I have a number of users connecting with MS-DOS Kermit telnet sessions >: into Redhat Linux (4.2 & 5.1). If they close the connection with the >: normal Kermit exit command without first logging off, then the telnet >: session is closed on Linux which is just what I want. If, however, they >: reboot their PC with ALT CTL DEL then the session stays active. Depending on the shell that the users use on the Linux box, one could have the shell implement an idle timeout. The Bourne Again Shell, bash, has such a feature. So if the user doesn't enter commands for a while it closes the shell which in turn would close down the telnet session. This feature is discussed in the O'Reilly BASH book. Matthew H. Gerlach From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 7 13:49:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11570 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA15772 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: bdlpxxx@bellatlantic.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: to kermit from non kermit Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 17:31:33 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6vg8hl$2cc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.23.18.71 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 07 17:31:33 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01 (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x12.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.23.18.71 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9300 Have been playing with kermit this last week, using the the "USING KERMIT_C book. What I cannot figure out is how to transfer to kermit from a non kermit client. Is this possible. And if so is it possible to to configure Kermit to receive files via XMODEM? -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 7 13:58:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14098 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16324 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: to kermit from non kermit Date: 7 Oct 1998 17:58:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6vga4e$emf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6vg8hl$2cc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9301 In article <6vg8hl$2cc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : Have been playing with kermit this last week, using the the "USING KERMIT_C : book. What I cannot figure out is how to transfer to kermit from a non kermit : client. Is this possible. And if so is it possible to to configure Kermit to : receive files via XMODEM? : See Chapter 14. Also see the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt item 38 (third from the last). - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 7 14:07:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA16913 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA16788 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 14:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!207.178.60.5!nntp1.wolfe.net!news.wolfe.net!not-for-mail From: "Baus" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Procomm problem is just over modems... Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:15:12 -0700 Organization: Baus & Associates Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6vg7h3$p64$1@sparky.wolfe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sea-e2-87.wolfenet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9302 To be more exact, I can transfer files between Procomm and Kermit server if I hook two computers directly but not when using a modem. What modem settings should I be looking at? Thanks, Steve From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 7 17:07:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA09875 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA26793 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 17:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-2!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-3!paralynx!paralynx-4!van-bc!news.mcs.net!ddsw1!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@82.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet disconnect Date: 7 Oct 1998 21:04:39 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6vgl17$cpg$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <6v0b8l$ppa$1@samba.rahul.net> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9304 Matthew H. Gerlach (gerlach@netcom.com) wrote: : Depending on the shell that the users use on the Linux box, one could : have the shell implement an idle timeout. The Bourne Again Shell, bash, This should only be effective when sitting at a shell prompt. If they are at a prompt within a program, the shell timeout doesn't occur. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 7 22:13:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA14612 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA24559 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.panix.com!not-for-mail From: mgebhard@panix.com (Mike G.) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Status of 6.0 193?? Date: 7 Oct 1998 22:12:41 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6vh72p$iu0@panix2.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.nfs100.access.net Summary: Status of 6.0 193? Keywords: status X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9305 What is the current status of 6.0 193?? Last update I know about was beta 5. Frank????? Mike G. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 8 09:35:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA18763 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA20255 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Status of 6.0 193?? Date: 8 Oct 1998 13:35:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6vif33$m07$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6vh72p$iu0@panix2.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: status Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9306 In article <6vh72p$iu0@panix2.panix.com>, Mike G. wrote: : What is the current status of 6.0 193?? Last update I know about was beta : 5. Frank????? : We didn't forget it :-) In fact, we have been putting so much work into it we're going to forget about the 6.1 designation and call it 7.0. Watch this space for announcements. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 8 12:18:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06453 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA27263 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!xmission!nnrp.xmission!rivie From: rivie@rivie.daautah.com (Roger Ivie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.org.decus,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DECMATE & Kermit Date: 8 Oct 1998 16:18:26 GMT Organization: XMission http://www.xmission.com/ Lines: 56 Message-ID: References: <6vdcne$shn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: rivie@daa-utah.com NNTP-Posting-Host: logan43.modem.xmission.com X-Trace: news.xmission.com 907863506 2396 166.70.3.235 (8 Oct 1998 16:18:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@xmission.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Oct 1998 16:18:26 GMT X-Newsreader: slrn (0.8.8.2 UNIX) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.dec:68507 comp.org.decus:9482 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9307 In article <6vdcne$shn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >"Karl Stratman" wrote: >> >> I'm interested in porting 18MB on 5.25" RX50 DEC floppies to >> 3.5" IBM floppies. I have a DEC DECMATE WPS Op. System. The RX50's are >> single-sided, unique density, unique RPM drives and cannot be read from a >> IBM 5.25" drive. The DECMATE WPS has minimal formatting embedded in the >> files, much like WIN/NOTEPAD. Try asking on comp.sys.dec.micro, comp.sys.dec, and/or alt.sys.pdp8. The RX50s are _not_ "unique density" and can, in fact, be read by a high-density IBM 5.25" drive. There is a variety of software available to do so on the net, but I do not recall offhand whether there is software available to read the WPS disk format (all of my DECmate IIs run OS/278 and CP/M). >> >> I'm told that if I use a null-modem cable (with 2 wires crossed) to hook >> my DECMATE to my PC, and that if I use kermit or Window's hyperterminal, >> that I then ought to be able to convert the 46 diskettes, one file at a >> time, using serial communications, much like driving a daisy-wheel >> printer from my DECMATE, or like reading from a serial-port from my IBM. >> >> Will this work? Do I need one or two copies of KERMIT? Any other tips? >> >Yes, you will need two copies of Kermit. On Win95, you can take your chances >with HyperTerminal, which we do not support, or you can use Kermit 95: No, you'll only need one copy of KERMIT. As far as I know, there is not a version of KERMIT for WPS (yes, there are DECmate kermits for both CP/M and OS/278, but not for WPS). It may be possible to take a WPS document from WPS to OS/278 or CP/M and, from there, to the PC via KERMIT. Diskette images of OS/278 and CP/M are available somewhere on the net, along with tools to build copies of the diskettes on a PC. But I don't recall where, offhand. To run CP/M, you would need the optional APU card, which contains a Z80, but OS/278 will run on an unmodified DECmate. Using a single copy of KERMIT on a PC, you can capture the serial port to a file (by, say, issuing LOG SESSION or its equivalent and CONNECTing to the port) then use WPS' document upload features (there's an uploader called CX somewhere in the system; I don't remember how to get there because it's been so long since I've used it) to pipe the document out the comm port. I used to use CX to send documents to a VAX occasionally, so I know it's possible. > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/d/k12*.* This is KERMIT for OS/278; it won't run under WPS. -- Roger Ivie Design Analysis Associates 75 West 100 South Logan, UT 84321 mailto:rivie@daa-utah.com phoneto:(435)753-2212 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 8 16:21:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21452 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA18267 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!nnrp.xmission!rivie From: rivie@rivie.daautah.com (Roger Ivie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.org.decus,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DECMATE & Kermit Date: 8 Oct 1998 20:21:38 GMT Organization: XMission http://www.xmission.com/ Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <6vdcne$shn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6vj24i$qtf$1@samba.rahul.net> Reply-To: rivie@daa-utah.com NNTP-Posting-Host: logan43.modem.xmission.com X-Trace: news.xmission.com 907878098 2376 166.70.3.235 (8 Oct 1998 20:21:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@xmission.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Oct 1998 20:21:38 GMT X-Newsreader: slrn (0.8.8.2 UNIX) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.dec:68513 comp.org.decus:9483 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9308 In article <6vj24i$qtf$1@samba.rahul.net>, dold@79.usenet.us.com wrote: > >Oh, _that_ kind of drive! >I have a Convergent MiniFrame with a 96TPI 5.25inch diskette, capable of >reading and writing MSDOS diskettes recognizable as 720K. RX50 is single-sided, 96TPI, 250KHz MFM, 512-byte sectors, 10 sectors/track. There's software interleave. The disks are not MS-DOS formatted, so mtools won't be able to do much with them. WPS also uses the floppies in "12-bit mode" (the DECmate is a 12-bit machine), which also has implications for the floppy format (basically, only 12 out of every 16 bits is valid, but I don't know how they're distributed throughout the diskette). -- Roger Ivie Design Analysis Associates 75 West 100 South Logan, UT 84321 mailto:rivie@daa-utah.com phoneto:(435)753-2212 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 8 18:53:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07185 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA13887 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.terminals,de.comp.os.sinix,comp.sys.dec,comp.os.aos,comp.sys.ibm.as400.misc,bit.listserv.ibm-main,comp.sys.hp.misc Subject: Adapting Unicode to Terminal Emulation Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 8 Oct 1998 22:53:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <6vjfop$bmr$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9309 comp.terminals:12756 de.comp.os.sinix:1872 comp.sys.dec:68516 comp.os.aos:1509 comp.sys.ibm.as400.misc:67771 bit.listserv.ibm-main:42847 comp.sys.hp.misc:19181 Anybody interested in full emulation of IBM, DEC, Data General, Hewlett Packard, Siemens Nixdorf, or other terminals in Unicode-based terminal emulation software probably knows that Unicode lacks some of the special characters used by these terminals. Work to add them, along with additional debugging capabilities (e.g. for graphical display of control characters, hex dumps, etc), is in progress. The current working paper can be found at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/charsets/ucsterminal.txt Comments and suggestions welcome. Follow up to comp.protocols.kermit.misc, or by email to me. Thanks. Frank da Cruz The Kermit Project Columbia University fdc@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 8 20:10:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25244 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA28526 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 20:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.online.no!Norway.EU.net!not-for-mail From: "Terje Sten Bjerkseth" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Status of 6.0 193?? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 01:20:19 +0200 Organization: Infotron AS Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6vjhbr$f19$1@elle.eunet.no> References: <6vh72p$iu0@panix2.panix.com> <6vif33$m07$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ks1.infotron.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9310 What about the GUI beta on Win32 ;) ? -tsb Frank da Cruz wrote in message <6vif33$m07$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <6vh72p$iu0@panix2.panix.com>, Mike G. wrote: >: What is the current status of 6.0 193?? Last update I know about was beta >: 5. Frank????? >: >We didn't forget it :-) In fact, we have been putting so much work into it >we're going to forget about the 6.1 designation and call it 7.0. Watch this >space for announcements. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 8 21:12:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA01330 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA07285 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.org.decus,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DECMATE & Kermit References: <6vdcne$shn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6vj24i$qtf$1@samba.rahul.net> Organization: D Bit, Troy, NY From: wilson@dbit.com (John Wilson) NNTP-Posting-Host: dbit.dbit.com Message-ID: <361d633f.0@news.wizvax.net> Date: 8 Oct 1998 21:13:35 -0500 X-Trace: 8 Oct 1998 21:13:35 -0500, dbit.dbit.com Lines: 20 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wizvax.net!news.wizvax.net!dbit.com!wilson Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.dec:68519 comp.org.decus:9484 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9311 In article , Roger Ivie wrote: >WPS also uses >the floppies in "12-bit mode" (the DECmate is a 12-bit machine), which >also has implications for the floppy format (basically, only 12 out of >every 16 bits is valid, but I don't know how they're distributed >throughout the diskette). The DECmate word is the low 12 bits of each 16-bit word (in PDP-11 byte order), so you waste half of every other byte. Not like the RX01/02 formats, where the bits are concatenated, so you waste the last 1/4 of each sector (being consistant would be too easy!). PUTR.COM can take/restore binary images of RX50s but doesn't know the WPS file system, only OS/278. Doesn't either WPS or OS/278 have a program that can access floppies from the other OS? If so you could do it in two hops, assuming you still have a live DECmate. http://www.dbit.com/pub/putr/. John Wilson D Bit From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 9 10:10:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10951 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA17478 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Status of 6.0 193?? Date: 9 Oct 1998 14:10:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6vl5hf$23s$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6vh72p$iu0@panix2.panix.com> <6vif33$m07$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6vjhbr$f19$1@elle.eunet.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9312 In article <6vjhbr$f19$1@elle.eunet.no>, Terje Sten Bjerkseth wrote: : What about the GUI beta on Win32 ;) ? : We're still working on that too. First there will be one more major release of the console version, before the end of 1998, hopefully concurrent with version 7.0 of C-Kermit. Then full-tilt on the GUI conversion. And no, we do not intend to abandon the console version (a surprising number of K-95 users have indicated that even when the GUI version is available, they would prefer to have console version). - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 9 11:17:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01211 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA26263 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.20.0.50!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@79.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.org.decus,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DECMATE & Kermit Followup-To: comp.sys.dec,comp.org.decus,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 8 Oct 1998 19:00:34 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6vj24i$qtf$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <6vdcne$shn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.dec:68534 comp.org.decus:9487 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9313 Roger Ivie (rivie@rivie.daautah.com) wrote: : Try asking on comp.sys.dec.micro, comp.sys.dec, and/or alt.sys.pdp8. The : RX50s are _not_ "unique density" and can, in fact, be read by a : high-density IBM 5.25" drive. There is a variety of software available : to do so on the net, but I do not recall offhand whether there is : software available to read the WPS disk format (all of my DECmate IIs : run OS/278 and CP/M). Oh, _that_ kind of drive! I have a Convergent MiniFrame with a 96TPI 5.25inch diskette, capable of reading and writing MSDOS diskettes recognizable as 720K. Via Unix "dd", I might be capable of writing files usable in the RX50. Maybe "mtools", the tool I use for reading and writing MSDOS diskettes, is available for the RX50. That would make moving the Kermit binary simple. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 9 11:52:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12026 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01958 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!nnrp.xmission!rivie From: rivie@rivie.daautah.com (Roger Ivie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.org.decus,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DECMATE & Kermit Date: 9 Oct 1998 15:51:57 GMT Organization: XMission http://www.xmission.com/ Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <6vdcne$shn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6vj24i$qtf$1@samba.rahul.net> <6vjo8r$1bp$1@samba.rahul.net> Reply-To: rivie@daa-utah.com NNTP-Posting-Host: logan22.modem.xmission.com X-Trace: news.xmission.com 907948317 20962 166.70.3.214 (9 Oct 1998 15:51:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@xmission.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Oct 1998 15:51:57 GMT X-Newsreader: slrn (0.8.8.2 UNIX) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.dec:68536 comp.org.decus:9488 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9314 In article <6vjo8r$1bp$1@samba.rahul.net>, dold@79.usenet.us.com wrote: >I mentioned mtools because it affords the opportunity for the MiniFrame to >import/export MSDOS files. I thought a port of mtools on the DecMate might >allow it to read MSDOS diskettes, not that mtools would read the DEC >diskettes. Good luck finding a C compiler that puts out PDP-8 code. I've done a bit of futzing about with James Hendrix' Small C in this regard, but nothing either usable (yet) or sophisticated enough to deal with mtools. -- Roger Ivie Design Analysis Associates 75 West 100 South Logan, UT 84321 mailto:rivie@daa-utah.com phoneto:(435)753-2212 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 9 15:40:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14584 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA26609 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: bdlpxxx@bellatlantic.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: to kermit from non kermit Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 19:33:03 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6vlodg$ai2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6vg8hl$2cc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6vga4e$emf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.23.18.70 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 09 19:33:03 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01 (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x5.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.23.18.70 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9315 In article <6vga4e$emf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > In article <6vg8hl$2cc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, > wrote: > : Have been playing with kermit this last week, using the the "USING KERMIT_C > : book. What I cannot figure out is how to transfer to kermit from a non kermit > : client. Is this possible. And if so is it possible to to configure Kermit to > : receive files via XMODEM? > : > See Chapter 14. Also see the Kermit FAQ: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt > > item 38 (third from the last). > > - Frank > Thanks Frank, I was familiar with that FAQ. Apparently my [rs][xz] pieces do use stdio. I have been able to send/recieve xmodem and zmodem between two unix machines both using kermit. At the end of chapt 14 was my answer though. I cannot use the external protocols with a kermit server. I have been able to run ./kermit -y Z -r where Z is a script for setting up Zmodem. In fact I then figured i could go to the source ./rz and skip the kermit server. I had been hoping to have a kermit server sit and answer the phone. But it does not seem I will be able to go in that direction. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 9 15:51:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17787 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA28652 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 15:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: to kermit from non kermit Date: 9 Oct 1998 19:51:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6vlpfl$ek6$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6vg8hl$2cc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6vga4e$emf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6vlodg$ai2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9316 In article <6vlodg$ai2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : : Thanks Frank, I was familiar with that FAQ. Apparently my [rs][xz] pieces do : use stdio. I have been able to send/recieve xmodem and zmodem between two : unix machines both using kermit. At the end of chapt 14 was my answer : though. I cannot use the external protocols with a kermit server. I have : been able to run ./kermit -y Z -r where Z is a script for setting up Zmodem. : In fact I then figured i could go to the source ./rz and skip the kermit : server. I had been hoping to have a kermit server sit and answer the phone. : But it does not seem I will be able to go in that direction. : Unless you use Kermit protocol, which seems a realistic possibility since you do, indeed, have C-Kermit on each end of the connection. You can't use non-Kermit protocols with a Kermit server because a Kermit server, by definition, uses Kermit protocol. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 9 17:43:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18676 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA11092 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 17:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.org.decus,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DECMATE & Kermit References: <6vdcne$shn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6vjo8r$1bp$1@samba.rahul.net> Organization: D Bit, Troy, NY From: wilson@dbit.com (John Wilson) NNTP-Posting-Host: dbit.dbit.com Message-ID: <361e834b.0@news.wizvax.net> Date: 9 Oct 1998 17:42:35 -0500 X-Trace: 9 Oct 1998 17:42:35 -0500, dbit.dbit.com Lines: 12 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wizvax.net!news.wizvax.net!dbit.com!wilson Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.dec:68547 comp.org.decus:9490 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9317 In article , Roger Ivie wrote: >Good luck finding a C compiler that puts out PDP-8 code. I've done a bit >of futzing about with James Hendrix' Small C in this regard, but >nothing either usable (yet) or sophisticated enough to deal with >mtools. Getting sidetracked -- who's James Hendrix? I thought Ron Cain wrote Small C. I guess there were a lot of derivatives though... John Wilson (who ported Ron Cain's Small C to the PDP-11 and IBM 370 years ago) D Bit From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 9 21:47:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08173 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA16080 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 21:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!news.idt.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: bdlpxxx@bellatlantic.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: XMODEM ^Z Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 19:36:42 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6vlokb$b7d$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.23.18.70 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Oct 09 19:36:42 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01 (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x5.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.23.18.70 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9318 Have been using XMODEM with and without kermit and have been finding that my files are padded out to a block size of 128 with ^Zs. Anyone have familiarity with this or point me in the right direction? -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 9 22:18:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA10615 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 22:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA21605 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 22:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: XMODEM ^Z Date: 10 Oct 1998 02:18:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6vmg5n$rgu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6vlokb$b7d$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9319 In article <6vlokb$b7d$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : Have been using XMODEM with and without kermit and have been finding that my : files are padded out to a block size of 128 with ^Zs. Anyone have familiarity : with this or point me in the right direction? : That is part of the specification for XMODEM. All blocks must be the same length includng the last one. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Oct 10 05:23:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA09713 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 05:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA21107 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 05:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@79.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.org.decus,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DECMATE & Kermit Followup-To: comp.sys.dec,comp.org.decus,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 9 Oct 1998 01:18:19 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6vjo8r$1bp$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <6vdcne$shn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6vj24i$qtf$1@samba.rahul.net> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.dec:68553 comp.org.decus:9492 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9320 Roger Ivie (rivie@rivie.daautah.com) wrote: : RX50 is single-sided, 96TPI, 250KHz MFM, 512-byte sectors, 10 : sectors/track. There's software interleave. The disks are not MS-DOS : formatted, so mtools won't be able to do much with them. WPS also uses I _knew_ I shouldn't have mentioned mtools in the same sentence ;-) The MiniFrame has option widgets. It can go single or double sided, 96 or 48TPI, 8/9/10 sectors, software interleave of an adjustable offset. I've forgotten the "kHz". It was the lower of two, which I thought was 512/1m, but maybe it was 250, where PC-AT was 512 for the 1.2MB diskette. I mentioned mtools because it affords the opportunity for the MiniFrame to import/export MSDOS files. I thought a port of mtools on the DecMate might allow it to read MSDOS diskettes, not that mtools would read the DEC diskettes. Although there are software switches for 48/96tpi. I was largely unsuccessful processing the 48TPI diskettes. It sort of worked, sometimes... making me think the software was okay, but the hardware was being asked to do something it didn't want to do. If the DecMate is nt easy to play with, then the best ide would probably be to "print" to a serial port, and use kermit to capture the output to a DOS file. I've done this in the past, then using a c program to parse the data back into usable records. Recently I've used a Windows program that is quite powerful. Monarch V3, from www.datawatch.com, allows you to highlight fields from a disk-based print image, for import into a database. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Oct 10 16:36:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20306 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA25822 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.122.16.44!news.eskimo.com!jimo From: jimo@eskimo.com (Jim Osborn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Unwanted beeps Date: 10 Oct 1998 20:30:44 GMT Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6vog5k$51k$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: eskimo.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9321 My kermit script beeps at me, seemingly whenever it experiences a change of flow, and it makes me think it's beeping on any failure. I have lots of "if fail goto retry" statements and every one seems to produce a beep, although there are no beeps or Ctl-Gs or any such statements anywhere in the script. Is there a switch I can set to ask for silence on error? I assume Kermit is somehow unhappy and beeps to announce the fact, but I really need it to be quiet, so I can hear the real beep my ISP gives me once the whole thing succeeds. I haven't been able to find mention of such a switch in the manual, but I'm hoping I've somehow missed it, or it's there but undocumented. C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Linux Thanks in advance jimo@eskimo.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Oct 11 16:08:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA28990 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA13462 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Unwanted beeps Date: 11 Oct 1998 20:08:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6vr37c$cmb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6vog5k$51k$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9322 In article <6vog5k$51k$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>, Jim Osborn wrote: : : My kermit script beeps at me, seemingly whenever it experiences a : change of flow, and it makes me think it's beeping on any failure. : I have lots of "if fail goto retry" statements and every one seems : to produce a beep, although there are no beeps or Ctl-Gs or any : such statements anywhere in the script. : : Is there a switch I can set to ask for silence on error? I assume : Kermit is somehow unhappy and beeps to announce the fact, but I : really need it to be quiet, so I can hear the real beep my ISP : gives me once the whole thing succeeds. I haven't been able to : find mention of such a switch in the manual, but I'm hoping I've : somehow missed it, or it's there but undocumented. : : C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Linux : : Thanks in advance : jimo@eskimo.com Most likely you have an error in the script which is causing the commands to be parsed as invalid. If this is in a loop or is repeated throughout your script you will get lots of beeps. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Oct 11 16:53:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04228 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA19168 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 16:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!novia!news.unisys.com.br!news.eskimo.com!jimo From: jimo@eskimo.com (Jim Osborn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Unwanted beeps Date: 11 Oct 1998 20:47:44 GMT Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever Lines: 139 Message-ID: <6vr5hg$nij$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> References: <6vog5k$51k$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <6vr37c$cmb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: eskimo.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9323 In article <6vr37c$cmb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: >In article <6vog5k$51k$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>, >Jim Osborn wrote: >: >: My kermit script beeps at me, seemingly whenever it experiences a >: change of flow, and it makes me think it's beeping on any failure. >: I have lots of "if fail goto retry" statements and every one seems >: to produce a beep, although there are no beeps or Ctl-Gs or any >: such statements anywhere in the script. >: >: Is there a switch I can set to ask for silence on error? I assume >: Kermit is somehow unhappy and beeps to announce the fact, but I >: really need it to be quiet, so I can hear the real beep my ISP >: gives me once the whole thing succeeds. I haven't been able to >: find mention of such a switch in the manual, but I'm hoping I've >: somehow missed it, or it's there but undocumented. >: >: C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Linux >: >: Thanks in advance >: jimo@eskimo.com > > >Most likely you have an error in the script which is causing the >commands to be parsed as invalid. If this is in a loop or is repeated >throughout your script you will get lots of beeps. I suppose. The script certainly seems to work - does what I ask it to do. Since it does its job correctly, I'd simply like to shut it up altogether, forever, for any reason. Is there a way to do that? Some sort of *audible* quiet switch? Never, ever beep? Thanks very much in advance for any insights into this problem. For what it's worth, here's the .kermrc file: When I invoke "eskimo alt" to get it to cycle through the list of numbers, it beeps as soon as it detects a BUSY, then dials the next number. Is my error obvious? Keep in mind there's probably no need to delve into the second half of the script, unless it could cause beeps even though the flow doesn't get there. I assume as long as we experience some sort of dialing error, like BUSY, we simply cycle back to ":retry." set line /dev/modem set speed 38400 set modem type supra set flow-control rts/cts set dial interval 1 set dial timeout 45 set parity none set receive packet-length 4096 set block 3 #Use long CRC packet check set window 20 set prefixing minimal #fast file xfer set transfer slow-start off set file type binary set file name literal set case on set quiet on set prompt Linux Kermit> define rz !rz -y /dev/modem define sz !sz \%1 /dev/modem declare \&d[7] assign \&d[0] 425-258-3608 assign \&d[1] 425-258-4598 assign \&d[2] 425-258-0748 assign \&d[3] 425-258-1022 assign \&d[4] 425-258-1264 assign \&d[5] 425-258-1576 assign \&d[6] 425-258-2567 assign \&d[7] 425-258-3458 define eskimo { while not defined \%a { askq \%a {Eskimo Password: } } assign \%n 0 :retry xif def \%1 { xif equal \%1 alt { incr \%n if > \%n 7 assign \%n 0 set dial retries 0 echo dialing \&d[\%n] dial \&d[\%n] if fail goto retry } } else { set dial retries 999 dial 425-258-0759 if fail goto retry } in 30 {Your Selection ==>} #Initial selector if fail goto retry output 1\13 #Select Eskimo in 60 login: #Start login process if fail goto retry out jimo\13 clear input in 30 {Welcome to eskimo.com.} #Read Annex ID string if fail goto retry assign \%x \v(input) assign \%y \fsubstring(\v(input), \find(CLI, \v(input))+5, 2) assign \%z \fsubstring(\v(input), \find(@seattle, \v(input))+8, 1) xif equal \%z 1 { xif equal \%y 45 { goto retry } } xif equal \%z 2 { xif equal \%y 27 { goto retry } } xif equal \%z 3 { xif equal \%y 34 { goto retry } xif equal \%y 35 { goto retry } } in 30 Password: if fail goto retry out \%a\13 in 60 {Main Command?} if fail goto retry out {!} echo Modem: \%y Bank: \%z pause 5 connect /quietly } From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Oct 12 02:21:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA03650 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA23240 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!main.de.uu.net!news-reader.dortmund.de.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "William Chisum" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: source code Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:19:25 +0200 Organization: UUNET Deutschland GmbH, Dortmund, Germany Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6vs745$k4q$1@goof.de.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 149.228.238.47 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9324 hi, i want to build a windows dll with some functions to comunicate with my hp48 through the serial port. therefore i only need a small subset of all the kermit features. i know that there is MS-Kermit but i need the source code or the specification to build a dll that i want to use from a visual basic program. at the columbia.edu site are a lot of files but which do i have to use? any suggestions? william From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Oct 12 02:25:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA04116 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA23490 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.siemens.de!news.mch.sbs.de!not-for-mail From: Muljawan Hendrianto Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: newbie question:compilation error Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:24:12 +0800 Organization: Siemens Inc. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3621A08C.884C7637@siemens.com.sg> NNTP-Posting-Host: muljawan.siemens.com.sg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9325 Dear all, I am trying to compile kermit 6.0.192. But during the compilation I got the following error messages, ckutio.c: In function `ttsspd': ckutio.c:4680: `TIOCGSERIAL' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c:4680: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once ckutio.c:4680: for each function it appears in.) ckutio.c:4686: `TIOCSSERIAL' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c: In function `ttgspd': ckutio.c:4834: `TIOCGSERIAL' undeclared (first use in this function) ckutio.c: In function `in_chk': ckutio.c:6093: warning: passing arg 3 of `select' from incompatible pointer type ckutio.c:6093: warning: passing arg 4 of `select' from incompatible pointer type make[1]: *** [ckutio.o] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/kermit' make: *** [linux] Error 2 It complains about an undeclared variable and also gave me warning about redefined variable like `PF_MAX`, `PF_X25` ... etc. Does anyone knows the workaround for this? I am using linux redhat 2.0.32 on pentium base server and gcc 2.8.1 compiler. thanks in advance, Muljawan In article <3621A08C.884C7637@siemens.com.sg>, Muljawan Hendrianto wrote: : I am trying to compile kermit 6.0.192. : But during the compilation I got the following error messages, : : ckutio.c: In function `ttsspd': : ckutio.c:4680: `TIOCGSERIAL' undeclared (first use in this function) : ckutio.c:4680: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once : ckutio.c:4680: for each function it appears in.) : ckutio.c:4686: `TIOCSSERIAL' undeclared (first use in this function) : ckutio.c: In function `ttgspd': : ckutio.c:4834: `TIOCGSERIAL' undeclared (first use in this function) : ckutio.c: In function `in_chk': : ckutio.c:6093: warning: passing arg 3 of `select' from incompatible : pointer type : ckutio.c:6093: warning: passing arg 4 of `select' from incompatible : pointer type : make[1]: *** [ckutio.o] Error 1 : make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/kermit' : make: *** [linux] Error 2 : : It complains about an undeclared variable and also gave me warning about : redefined variable like `PF_MAX`, `PF_X25` ... etc. : Does anyone knows the workaround for this? : I am using linux redhat 2.0.32 on pentium base server and gcc 2.8.1 : compiler. : Newer versions of Linux need newer versions of Kermit. Please try version 6.1 Beta, which you can find at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Oct 12 11:42:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01857 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20614 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!xmission!nnrp.xmission!rivie From: rivie@rivie.daautah.com (Roger Ivie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec,comp.org.decus,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DECMATE & Kermit Date: 12 Oct 1998 15:40:26 GMT Organization: XMission http://www.xmission.com/ Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <6vdcne$shn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6vjo8r$1bp$1@samba.rahul.net> <361e834b.0@news.wizvax.net> Reply-To: rivie@daa-utah.com NNTP-Posting-Host: logan30.modem.xmission.com X-Trace: news.xmission.com 908206826 16490 166.70.3.222 (12 Oct 1998 15:40:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@xmission.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Oct 1998 15:40:26 GMT X-Newsreader: slrn (0.8.8.2 UNIX) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.dec:68601 comp.org.decus:9514 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9331 In article <361e834b.0@news.wizvax.net>, John Wilson wrote: >In article , >Roger Ivie wrote: >>Good luck finding a C compiler that puts out PDP-8 code. I've done a bit >>of futzing about with James Hendrix' Small C in this regard, but >>nothing either usable (yet) or sophisticated enough to deal with >>mtools. > >Getting sidetracked -- who's James Hendrix? I thought Ron Cain wrote Small C. >I guess there were a lot of derivatives though... James Hendrix did a version of Small C (I don't know how it's related to Ron Cain's) and wrote a book about it for both CP/M and MS-DOS versions. I thought I had a copy of the book sitting right there on my shelf, but it must have migrated home. The version of the code I'm playing with says "Copyright 1982, 1983, 1985 J. E. Hendrix". -- Roger Ivie Design Analysis Associates 75 West 100 South Logan, UT 84321 mailto:rivie@daa-utah.com phoneto:(435)753-2212 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Oct 12 11:45:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02559 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20854 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.xcom.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!xmission!nnrp.xmission!rivie From: rivie@rivie.daautah.com (Roger Ivie) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: source code Date: 12 Oct 1998 15:44:47 GMT Organization: XMission http://www.xmission.com/ Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <6vs745$k4q$1@goof.de.uu.net> Reply-To: rivie@daa-utah.com NNTP-Posting-Host: logan30.modem.xmission.com X-Trace: news.xmission.com 908207087 16490 166.70.3.222 (12 Oct 1998 15:44:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@xmission.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Oct 1998 15:44:47 GMT X-Newsreader: slrn (0.8.8.2 UNIX) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9332 In article <6vs745$k4q$1@goof.de.uu.net>, William Chisum wrote: >hi, >i want to build a windows dll with some functions to comunicate with my hp48 >through the serial port. therefore i only need a small subset of all the >kermit features. i know that there is MS-Kermit but i need the source code >or the specification to build a dll that i want to use from a visual basic >program. at the columbia.edu site are a lot of files but which do i have to >use? any suggestions? The KERMIT protocol used to be documented in a file called kproto.doc (at least all the copies _I_ have lying around have that name; of course, I'd probably be hard-pressed to find a copy since I let them scrap my VAX-11/730). It's since been expanded and moved to a book entitled "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" published by Digital Press. -- Roger Ivie Design Analysis Associates 75 West 100 South Logan, UT 84321 mailto:rivie@daa-utah.com phoneto:(435)753-2212 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Oct 13 03:00:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA18499 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 03:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA07775 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 03:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.siemens.de!news.mch.sbs.de!not-for-mail From: Muljawan Hendrianto Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: newbie question:compilation error Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:59:24 +0800 Organization: Siemens Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3622FA4B.F9D3A6CC@siemens.com.sg> References: <3621A08C.884C7637@siemens.com.sg> <6vt05a$73v$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: muljawan.siemens.com.sg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9334 Frank da Cruz wrote: > : > Newer versions of Linux need newer versions of Kermit. Please try > version > 6.1 Beta, which you can find at: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html > yes, I got it now. and the compilation worked very well. thanks, Muljawan From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Oct 13 19:33:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21463 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA10546 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!ptah.visi.com!visi.com!ekholm From: Mike Ekholm Subject: Kermit script Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: someplace that you are not at X-readme: why are you looking at my headers? X-snack: Try the new FOO.BAR. Now low fat! User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980514 (UNIX) (SunOS/5.6 (sun4u)) Lines: 53 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:33:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.98.98.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@visi.com X-Trace: ptah.visi.com 908321589 209.98.98.8 (Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:33:09 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:33:09 CDT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9335 Hello. I am attempting to write a simple script to sent the character "s" to the serial port, then recive the the output from the serial port. I have gotten the sending to work, but the recive part is not working. I have tried the "input" command with no luck. if I do the script interactivly, then do a "connect" I recive all the data I want, without doing anything further. but the connect command is not very fun to use when doing this non interactivly. What is the best way to have all the data recived from the serial port go to stdout then have the script/kermit terminate? What I am doing is monitoring a old UPS, which sends the stats out, when it recives a "s" on the serial port. here is what I got from the interactive session: [/usr/home/ekholm] C-Kermit>set line /dev/cuaa0 [/usr/home/ekholm] C-Kermit> set speed 1200 /dev/cuaa0, 1200 bps [/usr/home/ekholm] C-Kermit>output s\13 [/usr/home/ekholm] C-Kermit>output s\13 [/usr/home/ekholm] C-Kermit>connect => s ---- MICRO-FERRUPS SYSTEM STATUS ---- INVERTER: OFF AC VOLTS OUT 121 AC AMPS OUT 3.76 OUTPUT LOAD (VA) 455 AC VOLTS IN 121 FREQUENCY 59.97 BATTERY VOLTS 13.5 HEATSINK (C) 032 # POWER OUTAGES 00090 INVERTER MINUTES 00170.2 SYSTEM HOURS 032345 # OVERLOADS 0080 PROJECTED BACKUP TIME AVAILABLE AT PRESENT LOAD: 0025 MINUTES => So what I want to do is get everthing after the connect command, then have kermit terminate. I have tried the input command, but i can only get that to work like 'expect' Thanks, -Mike -- ekholm@nospam.visi.com | http://www.visi.com/~ekholm | quake:Nalez ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ nospam is valid, filter provided by my isp http://www.visi.com Check my all new home page at http://www.visi.com/~ekholm/ 640K ought to be enough for anybody! - Bill Gates, 1981 Unix is user-friendly, not beginner-friendly. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Oct 13 19:47:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA23143 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA11402 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 19:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!ptah.visi.com!visi.com!ekholm From: Mike Ekholm Subject: Re: Kermit script Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: Organization: someplace that you are not at X-readme: why are you looking at my headers? X-snack: Try the new FOO.BAR. Now low fat! User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980514 (UNIX) (SunOS/5.6 (sun4u)) Lines: 33 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:46:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.98.98.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@visi.com X-Trace: ptah.visi.com 908322360 209.98.98.8 (Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:46:00 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:46:00 CDT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9336 On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:33:09 GMT, Mike Ekholm just had to say: : Hello. : I am attempting to write a simple script to sent the character "s" to the : serial port, then recive the the output from the serial port. I have : gotten the sending to work, but the recive part is not working. I have : tried the "input" command with no luck. if I do the script interactivly, : then do a "connect" I recive all the data I want, without doing anything : further. but the connect command is not very fun to use when doing this : non interactivly. What is the best way to have all the data recived from : the serial port go to stdout then have the script/kermit terminate? Hello, I think I got it. here is what I did. basicly using the UPS prompts (=>): #!/usr/local/bin/kermit set line /dev/cuaa0 set speed 1200 set exit warning off output s\13 output s\13 input 50 => input 50 => exit -Mike -- ekholm@nospam.visi.com | http://www.visi.com/~ekholm | quake:Nalez ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ nospam is valid, filter provided by my isp http://www.visi.com Check my all new home page at http://www.visi.com/~ekholm/ 640K ought to be enough for anybody! - Bill Gates, 1981 Unix is user-friendly, not beginner-friendly. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Oct 13 20:29:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25872 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA14500 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit script Date: 14 Oct 1998 00:29:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-ID: <700r93$kgj$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9337 In article , Mike Ekholm wrote: : Hello. : I am attempting to write a simple script to sent the character "s" to the : serial port, then recive the the output from the serial port. I have : gotten the sending to work, but the recive part is not working. I have : tried the "input" command with no luck. if I do the script interactivly, : then do a "connect" I recive all the data I want, without doing anything : further. but the connect command is not very fun to use when doing this : non interactivly. What is the best way to have all the data recived from : the serial port go to stdout then have the script/kermit terminate? : : What I am doing is monitoring a old UPS, which sends the stats out, when : it recives a "s" on the serial port. here is what I got from the : interactive session: : : [/usr/home/ekholm] C-Kermit>set line /dev/cuaa0 : [/usr/home/ekholm] C-Kermit> set speed 1200 : /dev/cuaa0, 1200 bps : [/usr/home/ekholm] C-Kermit>output s\13 : [/usr/home/ekholm] C-Kermit>output s\13 : [/usr/home/ekholm] C-Kermit>connect : => s : ---- MICRO-FERRUPS SYSTEM STATUS ---- : : INVERTER: OFF : : AC VOLTS OUT 121 : AC AMPS OUT 3.76 : OUTPUT LOAD (VA) 455 : AC VOLTS IN 121 : FREQUENCY 59.97 : BATTERY VOLTS 13.5 : HEATSINK (C) 032 : # POWER OUTAGES 00090 : INVERTER MINUTES 00170.2 : SYSTEM HOURS 032345 : # OVERLOADS 0080 : PROJECTED BACKUP TIME AVAILABLE AT PRESENT LOAD: 0025 MINUTES : => : : So what I want to do is get everthing after the connect command, then have : kermit terminate. I have tried the input command, but i can only get that : to work like 'expect' : : Thanks, : -Mike SET LINE /dev/cuaa0 SET SPEED 1200 SET CARRIER-WATCH OFF SET INPUT ECHO ON OUTPUT s\13 INPUT 10 some-string-that-will-never-come SET PORT EXIT Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 14 03:00:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA16043 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 03:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA04244 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 03:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: vag@cyberdude.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: A Question Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 06:49:27 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 12 Message-ID: <701hhn$4da$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.143.114.132 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Oct 14 06:49:27 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x9.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.143.114.132 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9338 I have a linux server running 2.0.27. I want to give access to people on this server only through telnet and ssh. (In future, perhaps only through ssh for security reasons). Can I use kermit for allowing uploading and downloading of files over an existing telnet/ssh session? If yes, how will I have to configure my system and kermit? If no, is there any product which allows me to do that? Thanks in advance, Regards, William Vagabond. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 14 07:28:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA14553 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA08846 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 07:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news1.tor.metronet.ca!news.rns.net!newsfeed2.golden.net!shell.golden.net!jrlatala From: jrlatala@shell.golden.net () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: mskemrit 3.12 and remote commands Date: 14 Oct 1998 10:25:20 GMT Organization: Golden Triangle Online Lines: 21 Message-ID: <701u6g$8ba$1@cougar.golden.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.166.210.4 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9340 I'm trying to get a 'box' working with an old PC. The box talks through a serial port using Kermit to send files back and forth between itself and the PC. It's working for the most part but there's one feature that's still not working. The box runs a couple of special programs on the PC using the remote commands ("C" packet type) ... and it's not working. I checked the Kermit protocol book by DaCruz but it's not all that verbose on what the format of the "C" packets is. Apparently the box used to work with an older version of kermit except nobody seems to know which exact version. I'm just hoping it wasn't a version that somebody 'tweaked' software wise to get working. Is there anymore information on the format of "C" packets or am I going to have to jump into the sources? -- john R. Latala jrlatala@golden.net From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 14 09:27:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28649 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA15461 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: A Question Date: 14 Oct 1998 13:27:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7028si$7km$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <701hhn$4da$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9341 In article <701hhn$4da$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : I have a linux server running 2.0.27. I want to give access to people on : this server only through telnet and ssh. (In future, perhaps only through : ssh for security reasons). Can I use kermit for allowing uploading and : downloading of files over an existing telnet/ssh session? If yes, how will : I have to configure my system and kermit? : Telnet: yes, of course. That's one of the major applications for C-Kermit. See the manual for instructions: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html C-Kermit does not include SSH because the RSA algorithms are patented and must be licensed and paid for. However, C-Kermit 6.1: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html presently in Beta test, WOULD allow you to use the Linux "ssh" program as a transport, so you could have Kermit scripting, file transfer, and interactive sessions, over an SSH connection, except that the ssh program does not allow its standard input and output to be redirected. We might add SSH to C-Kermit in the future, but if we do, you'll have to pay for it. Or we can just wait two years until the RSA patent expires. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 14 09:31:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00201 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA15716 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: mskemrit 3.12 and remote commands Date: 14 Oct 1998 13:31:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <70293k$7oi$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <701u6g$8ba$1@cougar.golden.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9342 In article <701u6g$8ba$1@cougar.golden.net>, wrote: : I'm trying to get a 'box' working with an old PC. The box talks through a : serial port using Kermit to send files back and forth between itself and : the PC. : : It's working for the most part but there's one feature that's still not : working. The box runs a couple of special programs on the PC using the : remote commands ("C" packet type) ... and it's not working. : : I checked the Kermit protocol book by DaCruz but it's not all that verbose : on what the format of the "C" packets is. : : Apparently the box used to work with an older version of kermit except : nobody seems to know which exact version. I'm just hoping it wasn't a : version that somebody 'tweaked' software wise to get working. : : Is there anymore information on the format of "C" packets or am I going to : have to jump into the sources? : The C packet simply contains a command in its data field. The server runs the command and sends the results back to the client, just as it would send a file, except the file header packet has type X rather than F. If the output of the command is short enough to fit in the data field of a single packet, it can be sent back in the ACK to the C packet. Why don't you take some packet logs of a failing transaction and have a look. If you can't figure them out, send them to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 15 12:24:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10269 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26058 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!server3.netnews.ja.net!news.ox.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Neil Long Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 && KRB5 without encryption?? Date: 15 Oct 1998 15:45:45 GMT Organization: Computing Services, University of Oxford Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7055b9$jst$1@news.ox.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ratbert.oucs.ox.ac.uk X-Trace: news.ox.ac.uk 908466345 20381 163.1.14.71 (15 Oct 1998 15:45:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@ox.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Oct 1998 15:45:45 GMT X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #116 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9344 Hello K95 ver 1.1.17 has 'support' for Kerberos but what is not clear to me is whether the export version would enable authentication (and therefore no clear text passwords!) without encrypted sessions. The former being OK but the latter falling under ITAR. There are various Kerberos packages available (legally) outside the US/Canada so getting a K4 or K5 server/realm setup is not a problem but good PC apps which could radically reduce the impact of network sniffers are few and far between. When I try 1.1.17 and 'auth krb5 init {principal} I get ?Kerberos is not installed but 'check kerberos' gives kerberos available It would be a Good Thing if K95 would enable kerberised authentication even if sessions are not encrypted, after all SSH is widely used and even SRP can be implemented with a bolt-on crypto library. On the other hand, maybe I am missing something obvious. I did create KRB.CON and KRBREALM.CON files - which seem KRB4-ish in syntax, is there a difference for KRB5?? Thanks Neil -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * Dr Neil J Long, Computing Services, University of Oxford * Banbury Road, Oxford, OX2 6NN, UK * Tel: +44 1865 273232 Fax: +44 1865 273275 * EMail: Neil.Long@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 15 15:52:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24432 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA23421 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 && KRB5 without encryption?? Date: 15 Oct 1998 19:52:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-ID: <705jqi$8k6$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <7055b9$jst$1@news.ox.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9346 In article <7055b9$jst$1@news.ox.ac.uk>, Neil Long wrote: : : Hello : K95 ver 1.1.17 has 'support' for Kerberos but what is not clear to me is : whether the export version would enable authentication (and therefore no : clear text passwords!) without encrypted sessions. The former being OK : but the latter falling under ITAR. K95 does support Kerberos 4, Kerberos 5 authentication without encryption of the data stream when a recognized Kerberos API is installed. : There are various Kerberos packages available (legally) outside the US/Canada : so getting a K4 or K5 server/realm setup is not a problem but good PC apps : which could radically reduce the impact of network sniffers are few and : far between. : When I try 1.1.17 and 'auth krb5 init {principal} : I get : ?Kerberos is not installed : : but 'check kerberos' gives : kerberos available CHECK KERBEROS means that K95 was compiled with Kerberos support. IF AVAILABLE {K4, K5} can be used as a test for whether or not a recognized API is available. See the online docs. K95 supports the MIT LEASH API for K4, and the KerbNet and MIT APIs for K5. : It would be a Good Thing if K95 would enable kerberised authentication even : if sessions are not encrypted, after all SSH is widely used and even SRP can be : implemented with a bolt-on crypto library. SRP is built-in to K95 and can be used without any additional libraries. : On the other hand, maybe I am missing something obvious. I did create KRB.CON and : KRBREALM.CON files - which seem KRB4-ish in syntax, is there a difference for : KRB5?? K95 does not come with the Kerberos library. You need to get Kerberos from another source. As per the docs, please read the section on "Network Security Methods" in the K95 online manual. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 16 11:22:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16704 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA16076 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!nntp.msen.com!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aj293 From: aj293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Keith C. Sykora) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Macintosh Kermit and Global Village Teleport Gold II Date: 16 Oct 1998 15:22:10 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 18 Message-ID: <707ob2$573$1@alexander.INS.CWRU.Edu> Reply-To: aj293@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Keith C. Sykora) NNTP-Posting-Host: owl.ins.cwru.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9347 I am trying to use Macintosh Kermit with my Teleport Gold II. Simple terminal emulation works ok. I am able to connect with several remote hosts successfully. The problem comes when I try to do any sort of file transfer operation. The modem hangs up. It doesn't seem to matter what system I am connected to, i.e., I don't think I am getting a remote hang up. It also doesn't seem to matter what sort of transfer, send or receive, or whether the remote system is in server mode or not. I have tried all sorts of fiddling with the kermit parameters to no avail. I'm fairly certain by now the the problem is some sort of interaction between Kermit and the Teleport Gold II. Any suggestions? Has anyone had any experience doing Mac Kermit file transfers with a GV Teleport Gold II successfully? The modem performs well otherwise. I use it to connect with my ISP as well as to dial into several local systems directly. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 16 16:19:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00706 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA02027 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Swade" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ascii file transfer to a remote printer Date: 16 Oct 1998 20:12:02 GMT Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 13 Message-ID: <01bdf95a$4d177e00$7a0101c8@swade> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.204.229.5 X-Trace: 908568722 IKR5NYRBJE505D0CCC usenet54.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9348 Hello Everyone, I'm new to Kermit and I have what I think is a very simple question. I need to write a small script that will accept one argument, a phone number. It then needs to dial that number, transfer a striaght ascii file with no checksum or protocol, hangup the line and exit with a value indicating whether the transfer was successful or not. I'm on an RS/6000 running AIX V4.3 and I have C-Kermit 6.0. I'm sure this script is only a few lines long, but I just don't know where to begin. Any suggestions? Thanx, Swade From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 16 17:04:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07018 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA04328 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ascii file transfer to a remote printer Date: 16 Oct 1998 21:04:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <708ccc$k7k$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bdf95a$4d177e00$7a0101c8@swade> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9349 In article <01bdf95a$4d177e00$7a0101c8@swade>, Swade wrote: : : Hello Everyone, : : I'm new to Kermit and I have what I think is a very simple question. I need : to write a small script that will accept one argument, a phone number. It : then needs to dial that number, transfer a striaght ascii file with no : checksum or protocol, hangup the line and exit with a value indicating : whether the transfer was successful or not. I'm on an RS/6000 running AIX : V4.3 and I have C-Kermit 6.0. I'm sure this script is only a few lines : long, but I just don't know where to begin. Any suggestions? : : Thanx, : Swade Very easy. The place to begin is by reading the manual "Using C-Kermit" 2nd Edition which explains the script programming language, how to dial, and how to transfer files in a variety of ways. You are looking for the following sets of commands: SET MODEM ... SET DIAL ... DIAL SET TRANSMIT ... TRANSMIT Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Oct 17 00:46:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA27830 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA29418 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:46:28 -0400 (EDT) From: jimo@eskimo.com (Jim Osborn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CKermit 6.1beta rpm? Date: 17 Oct 1998 03:40:36 GMT Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7093jk$hpl$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: eskimo.com Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-2!news.mindlink.net!paralynx!paralynx-1!news.vphos.net!news.idt.net!nntp2.cerf.net!nntp3.cerf.net!mvb.saic.com!news.eskimo.com!jimo Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9350 Frank daCruz writes: >Newer versions of Linux need newer versions of Kermit. Please try >version 6.1 Beta, which you can find at: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html I'm trying to get Kermit up on my newly-purchased Linux workstation, and assume from Frank's remark above that the CD that came with the book I bought last spring is useless. Since I don't have networking installed yet on my old computer, I'll need to download, then transfer via floppy to the new machine, so a compact, Linux-only distribution would be nice. Until I get Kermit up on the new machine, I can't really download anything to it. On the web site above is a link to: kermit-t.1.103-1.src.rpm which would seem a likely candidate. However after repeated attempts I can't seem to get a web-browser-based ftp connection to that link. Could I get a straight ftp pointer to that package? I normally find it much easier anyway to do ftp downloads through an ftp process, as it allows multiple items and unattended operation. I couldn't see anything on the ftp site that had the 6.1 beta stuff. Is it accessible through ftp? Thanks very much in advance, jimo@eskimo.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Oct 17 02:35:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA20984 for ; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 02:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA04667 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 02:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit 6.1beta rpm? Date: 17 Oct 1998 06:35:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-ID: <709drk$7sd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <7093jk$hpl$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9351 In article <7093jk$hpl$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>, Jim Osborn wrote: : : Frank daCruz writes: : >Newer versions of Linux need newer versions of Kermit. Please try : >version 6.1 Beta, which you can find at: : > : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html : : I'm trying to get Kermit up on my newly-purchased Linux workstation, : and assume from Frank's remark above that the CD that came with the : book I bought last spring is useless. Since I don't have networking : installed yet on my old computer, I'll need to download, then transfer : via floppy to the new machine, so a compact, Linux-only distribution : would be nice. Until I get Kermit up on the new machine, I can't : really download anything to it. : : On the web site above is a link to: : : kermit-t.1.103-1.src.rpm : : which would seem a likely candidate. However after repeated attempts : I can't seem to get a web-browser-based ftp connection to that link. : : Could I get a straight ftp pointer to that package? I normally find : it much easier anyway to do ftp downloads through an ftp process, : as it allows multiple items and unattended operation. I couldn't : see anything on the ftp site that had the 6.1 beta stuff. Is it : accessible through ftp? : : Thanks very much in advance, : jimo@eskimo.com If you are having FTP trouble read http://www.kermit-project.org/ftphlp.html More than likely you do not have a DNS for your IP Address. If that is the case your attempt to connect will be rejected. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Oct 18 04:14:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA06540 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 04:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA26746 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 04:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!mvb.saic.com!news.eskimo.com!jimo From: jimo@eskimo.com (Jim Osborn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Suppressing Beeps Date: 18 Oct 1998 07:56:26 GMT Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever Lines: 8 Message-ID: <70c6va$8ss$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: eskimo.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9352 Is there a config switch, or command to make C-Kermit not emit beeps? I've combed through the book and can't find anything, but I'm hoping someone out there knows something that'll do the job, before I dive into the source. Thanks very much in advance, jimo@eskimo.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Oct 18 05:02:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA12148 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 05:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA29001 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 05:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.pbi.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@10.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit 6.1beta rpm? Date: 17 Oct 1998 05:44:26 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 22 Message-ID: <709arq$ajk$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <7093jk$hpl$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9353 Jim Osborn (jimo@eskimo.com) wrote: : Frank daCruz writes: : >Newer versions of Linux need newer versions of Kermit. Please try : >version 6.1 Beta, which you can find at: : > : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html : I'm trying to get Kermit up on my newly-purchased Linux workstation, I don't know where you got the Frank quote, above. I downloaded C-Kermit from http://www.columbia.edu/kermit somewhere under the binaries distribution area. It was an RPM created by RedHat. It didn't like full screen on my redHat 5.1, until I did a cd /usr/share; ln -s terminfo ../lib Apparently there is hardcode that I couldn't find, that is looking for /usr/lib/terminfo, and isn't happy with /usr/share/terminfo. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Oct 18 09:32:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09030 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 09:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA14319 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 09:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Suppressing Beeps Date: 18 Oct 1998 13:32:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <70cqlp$3c2$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <70c6va$8ss$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9354 In article <70c6va$8ss$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>, Jim Osborn wrote: : : Is there a config switch, or command to make C-Kermit not emit beeps? : I've combed through the book and can't find anything, but I'm hoping : someone out there knows something that'll do the job, before I : dive into the source. : : Thanks very much in advance, : jimo@eskimo.com During file transfers SET XFER BELL OFF will turn off beeps. If you are getting beeps at other times it means that you have non-fatal errors in your script. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Oct 18 15:21:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA16557 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03908 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit 6.1beta rpm? Date: 18 Oct 1998 19:21:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-ID: <70df4e$dvl$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <7093jk$hpl$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9355 In article <7093jk$hpl$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>, Jim Osborn wrote: : : Frank daCruz writes: : >Newer versions of Linux need newer versions of Kermit. Please try : >version 6.1 Beta, which you can find at: : > : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html : : I'm trying to get Kermit up on my newly-purchased Linux workstation, : and assume from Frank's remark above that the CD that came with the : book I bought last spring is useless. : I wouldn't go quite that far. It was useful at the time it was produced, and then Linux changed out from underneath it. So now we have to change Kermit to adapt to the newer Linuxes. The same is true, continuously, for all other platforms -- AIX, Solaris, HP-UX, IRIX, you name it. : Since I don't have networking : installed yet on my old computer, I'll need to download, then transfer : via floppy to the new machine, so a compact, Linux-only distribution : would be nice. : The URL above will lead you that, although perhaps not in the precise form you want it to be in. If you don't want to visit the this URL and read what it says, then use anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, in binary mode, to pick up the file: kermit/test/tar/cku192.tar.gz then gunzip it, then "tar xvf cku192.tar", then "make linux". : Until I get Kermit up on the new machine, I can't : really download anything to it. : : On the web site above is a link to: : : kermit-t.1.103-1.src.rpm : : which would seem a likely candidate. However after repeated attempts : I can't seem to get a web-browser-based ftp connection to that link. : FTP problems are not on our end. They are generally due to a congested network, or a firewall at your site, or a failure of the host you are connecting from the have a DNS entry. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Oct 18 16:00:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26597 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA05925 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 16:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!post.servtech.com!hal9000.buf.servtech.com!spamguard!rchandra From: rchandra.spamguard@spamguard.letter.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit 6.1beta rpm? Date: 18 Oct 1998 19:48:41 GMT Organization: Verio New York Lines: 17 Message-ID: <70dgmp$1i9$1@post.servtech.com> References: <7093jk$hpl$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <709arq$ajk$1@samba.rahul.net> Reply-To: rchandra.spamguard@spamguard.letter.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hal9000.buf.servtech.com Originator: 0x804b6c0@0x804b560 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9356 In article <709arq$ajk$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: >I downloaded C-Kermit from http://www.columbia.edu/kermit >somewhere under the binaries distribution area. >It was an RPM created by RedHat. It didn't like full screen on my redHat >5.1, until I did a cd /usr/share; ln -s terminfo ../lib >Apparently there is hardcode that I couldn't find, that is looking for >/usr/lib/terminfo, and isn't happy with /usr/share/terminfo. I cannot say with certainty, but this is probably in the ncurses library (or some other library), so unless you search in the library's sources, you won't find that "hardcoded" path. (Hey, you've got to start somewhere, right? Something somewhere has to be hardcoded.) -- Oooooo-oooo-oooo-ooooo, Oooooo-oooo-oooo-ooooo, Ooooo-weem-oh-wum-ooo-ayyy In the jungle, the silicon jungle, the process sleeps tonight. Joe Philipps http://www.servtech.com/~rchandra/ You know what you have to do to send email to me successfully :^) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Oct 19 00:11:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA22686 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 00:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA02120 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 00:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.122.16.44!news.eskimo.com!jimo From: jimo@eskimo.com (Jim Osborn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit 6.1beta rpm? Date: 19 Oct 1998 03:27:37 GMT Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever Lines: 18 Message-ID: <70ebj9$bst$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> References: <7093jk$hpl$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <709drk$7sd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: eskimo.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9358 Jeffrey Altman wrote: >If you are having FTP trouble read http://www.kermit-project.org/ftphlp.html > >More than likely you do not have a DNS for your IP Address. If that >is the case your attempt to connect will be rejected. The DNS is fine. The problem is the fact that going through a web browser interface forces repeated connections, and with variable network loads, you may or may not reconnect within the timeout period. A solution is to simply keep hammering on the ftp link, and hopefully, eventually, the network will clear and allow download of that package. A friendlier solution, in my opinion, is to allow straight ftp access, so the whole job can be done with one simple connection process. Cheers, jimo@eskimo.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Oct 19 00:33:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA25821 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 00:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA02679 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 00:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit 6.1beta rpm? Date: 19 Oct 1998 04:33:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <70efdv$202$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <7093jk$hpl$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <709drk$7sd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <70ebj9$bst$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9359 In article <70ebj9$bst$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>, Jim Osborn wrote: : Jeffrey Altman wrote: : >If you are having FTP trouble read http://www.kermit-project.org/ftphlp.html : > : >More than likely you do not have a DNS for your IP Address. If that : >is the case your attempt to connect will be rejected. : : The DNS is fine. The problem is the fact that going through a web : browser interface forces repeated connections, and with variable : network loads, you may or may not reconnect within the timeout : period. A solution is to simply keep hammering on the ftp link, : and hopefully, eventually, the network will clear and allow download : of that package. I am very confused. Why does a browser interface require repeated connections for an ftp transfer? : A friendlier solution, in my opinion, is to allow straight ftp access, : so the whole job can be done with one simple connection process. The link is of the form ftp://ftp.kermit-project.org/kermit/bin/file>. If you want to use a command line ftp instead of a browser simply ftp to the specified host, cd to the appropriate directory, set the transfer type to binary, and get the file. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Oct 19 12:14:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15300 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA29333 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.kiva.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!xmission!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@10.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit 6.1beta rpm? Date: 19 Oct 1998 16:10:44 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 40 Message-ID: <70foa4$6a7$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <7093jk$hpl$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <709arq$ajk$1@samba.rahul.net> <70dgmp$1i9$1@post.servtech.com> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9360 rchandra.spamguard@spamguard.letter.com wrote: : In article <709arq$ajk$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : >I downloaded C-Kermit from http://www.columbia.edu/kermit : >somewhere under the binaries distribution area. : >It was an RPM created by RedHat. It didn't like full screen on my redHat : >5.1, until I did a cd /usr/share; ln -s terminfo ../lib : >Apparently there is hardcode that I couldn't find, that is looking for : >/usr/lib/terminfo, and isn't happy with /usr/share/terminfo. : I cannot say with certainty, but this is probably in the ncurses : library (or some other library), so unless you search in the library's : sources, you won't find that "hardcoded" path. (Hey, you've got to : start somewhere, right? Something somewhere has to be hardcoded.) I ran "strings" on the kermit binary, and then on each of the libraries whose names I found. I didn't find /usr/lib/terminfo in this search. I also tried "make linux" on the current tar.gz source, and it failed with a pile of error messages, which I haven't begun to research. Straight FTP? certainly still available. try ftp to watsun.cc.columbia.edu then cd to kermit/bin, dir *lin*, or watch the readme as it goes by. The RPM that I used is at /kermit/archives/ckermit-6.0.192-7.i386.rpm which is an ftp link from http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html As for why web-invoked ftp doesn't work... Usually it has to do with modem line noise or low performance hardware, which means it used to happen to me a lot, but doesn't anymore ;-) Straight ftp, even from a Win95 "dos prompt", is far more stable than invoking an ftp link from a browser. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Oct 19 15:49:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA22821 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA10866 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 15:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed-east.supernews.com!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Swade" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ascii transfer to remote printer Date: 19 Oct 1998 17:48:10 GMT Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 39 Message-ID: <01bdfba1$19a21140$7a0101c8@swade> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.204.225.20 X-Trace: 908819290 IKR5NYRBJE114D0CCC usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9361 Well, after a crash course, I believe I have figured out the transmission ot a remote printer after all. I'm posting it here for anyone who may find it useful or who is interested in giving me feedback on my approach. First you might want to take a look at the attached script. The key factors here are the setting of file type to text and the carrier-watch to on (not auto). Lastly, just make sure that your modem is set with &c2. This causes carrier to be high except for a moment after hanging up. That in turn causes the carrier-watch to notice and drop out of transmission if the connection is broken (otherwise it just blocks there). I think &c2 is for all hayse compatibles, but I was using a Multitech in particular. Comments? Thanx, Swade begin 600 dial.k M(R!5&UI="!F:6QE/@T*97AI=" Q#0IE ` end From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Oct 19 17:22:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26584 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA15679 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.122.16.44!news.eskimo.com!jimo From: jimo@eskimo.com (Jim Osborn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit 6.1beta rpm? Date: 19 Oct 1998 21:06:25 GMT Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever Lines: 35 Message-ID: <70g9kh$dgm$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> References: <7093jk$hpl$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <709drk$7sd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <70ebj9$bst$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <70efdv$202$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: eskimo.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9362 Jeffrey Altman wrote: >Jim Osborn wrote: >: The DNS is fine. The problem is the fact that going through a web >: browser interface forces repeated connections, and with variable >: network loads, you may or may not reconnect within the timeout >: period. A solution is to simply keep hammering on the ftp link, >: and hopefully, eventually, the network will clear and allow download >: of that package. > >I am very confused. Why does a browser interface require repeated >connections for an ftp transfer? I'm no expert, but I understand that every time you "click on a link" in a web-based environment, you make a NEW connection to that link's server (unless that link it to simple text on the very same page you're currently looking at, in which case you've already cached that page in your browser and disconnected from its server), which then passes some information to your browser, ending the connection and allowing the server to deal with the next connection. It's great for exploring uncharted territory, but requires lots of re-connections. >: A friendlier solution, in my opinion, is to allow straight ftp access, >: so the whole job can be done with one simple connection process. > >The link is of the form ftp://ftp.kermit-project.org/kermit/bin/file>. >If you want to use a command line ftp instead of a browser simply >ftp to the specified host, cd to the appropriate directory, set the >transfer type to binary, and get the file. Oops, Mea Culpa! Somehow on my earlier attempt, I overlooked the "test" tree on the ftp site (kept trying to find things in the c-kermit and linux paths). I just grabbed all 1.7M of the 193.src.rpm package. Thanks for the info, jimo@eskimo.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Oct 19 17:22:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26585 for ; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA15681 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 19 Oct 1998 17:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.122.16.44!news.eskimo.com!jimo From: jimo@eskimo.com (Jim Osborn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit 6.1beta rpm? Date: 19 Oct 1998 21:19:59 GMT Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever Lines: 12 Message-ID: <70gadv$drh$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> References: <7093jk$hpl$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <709arq$ajk$1@samba.rahul.net> <70dgmp$1i9$1@post.servtech.com> <70foa4$6a7$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: eskimo.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9363 wrote: >Straight ftp, even from a Win95 "dos prompt", is far more stable >than invoking an ftp link from a browser. I prefer to use the ftp program here on my ISP's Unix server, and get the stuff to my account there, using the fast backbone. Then, at my leisure, I can download to home using the modem. I'd hate to have a net-wide transfer depending on modem speeds, line noise, etc. Cheers, jimo@eskimo.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Oct 20 04:21:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA16255 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 04:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA20026 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 04:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!oleane!pasteur.fr!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Ralf Meuser" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit Unexpected Partity Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:22:24 +0200 Organization: Wanadoo - (Client of French Internet Provider) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <70hh32$rdo$1@platane.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: lyon14-137.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9364 I have a PC with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 in Server Mode running. Sometime I get a file.When the client connect himself off, I get the follwoing message: Unexpected Partiy from host! changing Partity to MARK Now my PC is still in the server mode, but the modem will no longer autoanswer. Can somebody give me a hint?? Ralf Meuser ralf.meuser@tk-transports.fr From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Oct 20 09:30:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23092 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA06698 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit Unexpected Partity Date: 20 Oct 1998 13:30:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <70i39s$qng$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <70hh32$rdo$1@platane.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9365 In article <70hh32$rdo$1@platane.wanadoo.fr>, Ralf Meuser wrote: : I have a PC with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 in Server Mode running. : Sometime I get a file.When the client connect himself off, : I get the follwoing message: : Unexpected Partiy from host! changing Partity to MARK : : Now my PC is still in the server mode, but the modem will : no longer autoanswer. : : Can somebody give me a hint?? : Assuming you know what parity is... Modern versions of MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit, and Kermit 95 attempt to detect parity automatically. If a packet arrives in which the bytes are marked consistently with a particular kind of parity (even, odd, or mark), Kermit issues a message such as the one above and switches to the detected kind of parity. This should only happen when a valid Kermit packet is received; it should not be caused by line noise. The fact that your modem will no longer autoanswer probably has nothing to do with this. As noted in previous discussions here, you have to configure your modem to stay in autoanswer mode for each call, rather than reverting back to originate mode after answering one call. The method for doing this depends on your modem. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 21 02:20:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA04732 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 02:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA20231 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 02:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!mvb.saic.com!news.eskimo.com!jimo From: jimo@eskimo.com (Jim Osborn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit 6.1beta rpm? Date: 21 Oct 1998 06:14:44 GMT Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever Lines: 16 Message-ID: <70ju4k$567$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> References: <7093jk$hpl$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <709arq$ajk$1@samba.rahul.net> <70dgmp$1i9$1@post.servtech.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: eskimo.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9367 Thought I'd close the loop with this thread, which I started after seeing an ominous remark by Frank, implying that I might need the beta version with a new Linux distribution. I'm happy to report that my good old C-Kermit 6.0.192, straight off the CD that came with the Using C-Kermit book in late 1997, compiled just fine with my S.u.S.E 5.3 distribution. I had to tell the linker that the lcurses and ltermcap libs were in their own directories in /usr/lib, and open up some permissions in /var/lock. So, the moral is, don't panic. :) Cheers, Jim From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 21 10:09:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10160 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05817 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: CKermit 6.1beta rpm? Date: 21 Oct 1998 14:09:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-ID: <70kpvd$7mu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <7093jk$hpl$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <709arq$ajk$1@samba.rahul.net> <70dgmp$1i9$1@post.servtech.com> <70ju4k$567$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9368 comp.os.linux.misc:303294 In article <70ju4k$567$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>, Jim Osborn wrote: : : Thought I'd close the loop with this thread, which I started after : seeing an ominous remark by Frank, implying that I might need the : beta version with a new Linux distribution. : : I'm happy to report that my good old C-Kermit 6.0.192, straight : off the CD that came with the Using C-Kermit book in late 1997, : compiled just fine with my S.u.S.E 5.3 distribution. I had to : tell the linker that the lcurses and ltermcap libs were in their : own directories in /usr/lib, and open up some permissions in /var/lock. : : So, the moral is, don't panic. :) : To some extent -- some people have trouble, some don't. I can't necessarily keep up with all the variations in the many Linux distributions and versions of them. What was the Right Way to do a particular one day often becomes Horribly Wrong the next. Nonstandard items that were added to C-Kermit for early versions Linux to allow such features as hardware flow control and high serial speeds are now verboten. There is the curses vs ncurses naming problem, not to mention library version skew. There are evidently issues related to glibc vs libc and who knows what else, plus the neverending circus of /dev/cux vs /dev/ttySx vs /dev/modem vs UUCP lockfiles. C-Kermit 6.1 adapts to modern Linuxes by compiling out the nonstandard device-related code and using more-or-less regular POSIX constructs if you choose the "make linux" target. Targets (with accompanying #ifdefs) are still present for older versions. As far as I know, however, the 6.1 Beta.05 "make linux" target works for Red Hat, Debian, Slackware, and SuSE -- if this is a misimpression, now would be a good time for me to find out. In particular, you say "I had to tell the linker that the lcurses and ltermcap libs were in their own directories in /usr/lib..." So what directory are they in? Is this a SuSE peculiarity? Or did all the packagers move these libraries? Do we now need separate makefile entries for SuSE, Red Hat, etc? (Yes, I know about "configure" scripts, but this method is not available everywhere -- and especially not on the many non-UNIX platforms where C-Kermit can be built. C-Kermit is designed to be built with the bare minimum development toolset.) By the way, C-Kermit 6.1 is history. The next release will be 7.0. I hope to announce it for testing "pretty soon". I also hope that I can get the same degree of assistance from the various Linux packagers (or users) as I got last time in preparing RPMs other appropriate install packages for each of the various hardware platforms. But one thing at a time... Another by the way: the C-Kermit 6.0 RPM includes patches that the other Linux install packages do not include, so it tends to install more smoothly than the others. Of course all these patches are built in to 6.1. C-Kermit 6.1 Beta.05 can be found at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 21 11:12:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26219 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA09464 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp.hpux,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Emulating VT100 PF1-PF3 with Kermit Date: 21 Oct 1998 15:12:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 112 Message-ID: <70ktk1$9q3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <70ih6b$1k7@hacgate2.hac.com> <70iscv$c8m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <70j8j2$ldj$3@news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.hp.hpux:93227 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9369 In article <70j8j2$ldj$3@news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, Heribert Dahms wrote: : In <70iscv$c8m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu writes: : : In article <70ih6b$1k7@hacgate2.hac.com>, : : KEITH OUTWATER /5G3110 wrote: : : : On my "real" VT100 terminal, PF1-PF3 are above the 7,8,9,- : : : on the numeric keypad. My HPUX keyboard doesn't have these : : : keys and F1-F3 on the HP keyboard (C3757) doesn't work : : : with Kermit. : : : : : Right, Kermit can't do that because Kermit can't see the keys on : : your keyboard. It can only see the characters that HP-UX generates : : for them, one at a time. : : : : The way to get F-keys and other special keys to work as they do on : : a VT100 or other kind of terminal is to map them that way outside of : : Kermit, e.g. if you are using an xterm, use xmodmap. The precise : : method depends on your window manager, the kind of xterm you are : : running (if any), and what kind of keyboard you have. : : I usually just type the sequence for PF1 myself: OP : PF2: OQ PF3: OR PF4: OS : Technically speaking, the problem is that C-Kermit, which runs on literally hundreds of different UNIX (and non-UNIX) platforms, has only the lowly "read(0,&c,1)" call available to read the keyboard. This works very well in the sense that it doesn't matter whether you are using the workstation's own keyboard in the text console or in an X or HP-VUE window, or if you are coming in over a serial port, or on a Telnet, Rlogin, X.25, or other kind of network connection. The drawback, of course, is that reading characters from stdin does not give you access to the system- and keyboard-dependent scan codes to let us know that you typed some special key. Any method of accessing the keyboard at a lower level would be (a) necessarily nonportable, and (b) nonfunctional if you were not actually using the workstation keyboard. And to complicate the situation, I am not aware of any API available to a user program to tell whether "stdin" is the real keyboard and screen (console or xterm running on the console) or is associated with a communications connection (serial or network). A further, and more subtle, drawback is that even if you have used Xmodmap or other method to map the appropriate escape sequences to F keys (or whatever), C-Kermit still reads characters and not keystrokes, and therefore has no way of knowing whether (say) O P was produced by pressing one key or three, and therefore whether to group them in a single write to avoid spacings between them that could throw off user programs like VI that are sensitive to such things. : Hi Frank, since you seem to listen: : Sure I do. C-Kermit is fully supported on HP-UX by contract between HP and the Kermit Project, and the Kermit Project takes its obligations seriously. : Hpterms and VTs of K95 under NT work quite fine, except one : annoying thing: The page up and down keys scroll locally, : which the original terminal emulators don't do! : Typing [5~ and [6~ is too much finger acrobatic on a : German keyboard, even for me 8-) : How do I configure K95 to send page up and down to host, when : pressed without any modifier key? : The PC keyboard is not the same as the (native) HP keyboard, and so there must be a mapping. So that every user will not have to figure out how to accomplish this individually, we provide a default mapping for each terminal type in Kermit 95. The bad thing about defaults is that they rarely please everybody. The good thing is that they can be changed. The method for changing a terminal-specific key definition in K95 is: 1. Find out the keycode of the desired key. Use the "show key" command to do this: K-95> show key Press key: Key code \4385 Gray-PageUp (default) => Verb: \Kupscn K-95> Now you know the keycode and the current definition. 2. Use the "set terminal key" command to install the new definition: K-95> set term key hpterm \4385 \27[5~ This means: when my terminal emulation is HPTERM, I want the Page Up key to send [5~. 3. Put the desired "set term key" in your K95CUSTOM.INI file. : The booklet only mentions Ctrl-Gray-Page-Up (and -Down), but what : is Gray on a German keyboard, please? : The current version of K95 is 1.1.17. It includes a vastly expanded user manual, which you can read with your Web browser. You can patch up from whatever version you have to 1.1.17 at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html : There's only left+right Strg (Ctrl), Alt and AltGr! : The USA keyboard has a gray (color) editing keypad below the Print Screen, Scroll Lock, and Pause keys, and a gray arrow (cursor) keypad below the editing keypad. The numeric keypad also has keys labeled the same way; these labels apply when Num Lock is not on. In any case, you can assign any desired functions to any desired keys -- whatever you want. Note that K-95 is different from C-Kermit in this respect, since K-95 really *does* have access to the physical keyboard via well-defined Windows (or OS/2) APIs. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 21 11:45:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05803 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA11184 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp.hpux,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Emulating VT100 PF1-PF3 with Kermit Date: 21 Oct 1998 15:45:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-ID: <70kvii$au8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <70ih6b$1k7@hacgate2.hac.com> <70iscv$c8m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <70j8j2$ldj$3@news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> <70ktk1$9q3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.hp.hpux:93232 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9370 In article <70ktk1$9q3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : In article <70j8j2$ldj$3@news.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, : Heribert Dahms wrote: : : : Sure I do. C-Kermit is fully supported on HP-UX by contract between HP : and the Kermit Project, and the Kermit Project takes its obligations : seriously. : : : Hpterms and VTs of K95 under NT work quite fine, except one : : annoying thing: The page up and down keys scroll locally, : : which the original terminal emulators don't do! : : Typing [5~ and [6~ is too much finger acrobatic on a : : German keyboard, even for me 8-) : : How do I configure K95 to send page up and down to host, when : : pressed without any modifier key? : : [5~ is DEC VT Previous Screen; Kermit 95 Kverb \Kdecprev [6~ is DEC VT Next Screen; Kermit 95 Kverb \Kdecnext By default these are mapped in the VT220, VT320 emulations to Alt-Gray-End and Alt-Gray-PageDown respectively. I do not know what escape sequences the HPTERM sends for Home, End, PgUp, PgDn, Insert, Delete, etc. If you (or anyone else) would care to send me the sequences I can add Kverbs for them in the next release. Currently, we have Kverbs for HP F1-F16, Enter, Return, and Backtab. All of whose values are programmable by the host in K95. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 21 13:46:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13541 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA17823 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.idt.net!nntp2.cerf.net!nntp3.cerf.net!hacgate2.hac.com!news.delcoelect.com!news.ses.cio.eds.com!not-for-mail From: Roy Buzdor Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit upgrade? Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 11:23:39 -0700 Organization: EDS at Lansing Metal Fabrication Lines: 21 Message-ID: <362E26AB.7980@home.comfortably> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.173.137.53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9371 We are currently running Kermit v. 5a (190) 10/4/94 on an IBM RS-6000 running AIX 3.25. For Year-2000 compliance, we have been told that we must upgrade the version of AIX to 4.2 or 4.3. Do we need a new versions of Kermit, or will recompiling the current version be sufficient to run on the new version of AIX? -- Buz (8 +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | We only love Jesus as much as the person we love the least. | | -- Unknown | +---------------------------------------+----------------------+ | This is official written notice: | My real address is: | | Please remove me from your mailing | lnuslad dot dzvg41 | | list. | at eds dot com | +---------------------------------------+----------------------+ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 21 14:02:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA18312 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA18659 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.aix Subject: Re: Kermit upgrade? Date: 21 Oct 1998 18:02:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <70l7k1$fke$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <362E26AB.7980@home.comfortably> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9372 comp.unix.aix:148763 In article <362E26AB.7980@home.comfortably>, Roy Buzdor wrote: : We are currently running Kermit v. 5a (190) 10/4/94 : on an IBM RS-6000 running AIX 3.25. For Year-2000 : compliance, we have been told that we must upgrade : the version of AIX to 4.2 or 4.3. : : Do we need a new versions of Kermit, or will recompiling : the current version be sufficient to run on the new : version of AIX? : For Year 2000, you need a new version of C-Kermit. See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/year2000.html for details. The current version is 6.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html For best results, you should build it from source code rather than use a prebuilt binary, because there are numerous (albeit unconfirmed) reports of binary incompatibility. I'd also recommend you try C-Kermit 6.1 Beta, whose followons will soon become the supported version: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 21 15:33:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA16229 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA23629 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 15:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.104.107.5!team2.teamnet.net!not-for-mail From: "draft2" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: TCP/IP? Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 13:07:40 -0500 Organization: Team Technologies Lines: 12 Message-ID: <70l9n2$hd1$1@team2.teamnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cfu167.internal.cfu.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9373 Is it possible to do TCP/IP through DOS? I have an 80386 with 2M RAM and a 10baseT betwork adapter. I do not run windows. Our internet provider (whom I happen to work for) provides a 500kbps connection via cable modems. Now, as far as it is set up, it is like a regular network set up all over the city. We convert the signals to analog and send it over the cables, just like cable TV, the nthe cable modem sends it back to digital to the network card. Each computer must access a DHCP server unless given a static IP address. My question is, will kermit facilitate this type of connection and if so, can someone give me some intstruction. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 21 16:54:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11206 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA27768 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: TCP/IP? Date: 21 Oct 1998 20:54:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <70lhm6$lgd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <70l9n2$hd1$1@team2.teamnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9374 In article <70l9n2$hd1$1@team2.teamnet.net>, draft2 wrote: : Is it possible to do TCP/IP through DOS? : I have an 80386 with 2M RAM and a 10baseT betwork adapter. I do not run : windows. Our internet provider (whom I happen to work for) provides a : 500kbps connection via cable modems. Now, as far as it is set up, it is like : a regular network set up all over the city. We convert the signals to analog : and send it over the cables, just like cable TV, the nthe cable modem sends : it back to digital to the network card. Each computer must access a DHCP : server unless given a static IP address. My question is, will kermit : facilitate this type of connection and if so, can someone give me some : intstruction. : MS-DOS Kermit, current version 3.15: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html includes a TCP/IP stack, containing not only TCP and IP, but also Telnet, Bootp, and DHCP clients. You must run this stack over a Packet Driver, an ODI Driver, or an NDIS driver. It is up to the maker of the cable modem to supply one of these. For details, read NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC in the Kermit directory, after unzipping it. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 21 21:33:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA20216 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA14189 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: TCP/IP? Message-ID: Date: 21 Oct 98 17:06:50 MDT References: <70l9n2$hd1$1@team2.teamnet.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9375 In article <70l9n2$hd1$1@team2.teamnet.net>, "draft2" writes: > Is it possible to do TCP/IP through DOS? > I have an 80386 with 2M RAM and a 10baseT betwork adapter. I do not run > windows. Our internet provider (whom I happen to work for) provides a > 500kbps connection via cable modems. Now, as far as it is set up, it is like > a regular network set up all over the city. We convert the signals to analog > and send it over the cables, just like cable TV, the nthe cable modem sends > it back to digital to the network card. Each computer must access a DHCP > server unless given a static IP address. My question is, will kermit > facilitate this type of connection and if so, can someone give me some > intstruction. ----------- What might you mean by "facilitate"? If the answer is do something particular about cable modems the answer is no. MS-DOS Kermit is the program you are inferring, and it uses its internal TCP/IP stack to talk over SLIP, some PPP, and ODI lan drivers. Once that is done the medium is responsible for behaving as advertised (if Ethernet then it must behave as true Ethernet to attached equipment). MSK supports RARP, BOOTP, DHCP remote address acquisition. How one chooses to represent bits on wires off site is not of interest here. Instructions on this are in the release documentation and the main user's manual the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit". Please visit www.columbia.edu/ kermit for pointers to the material. Being an MS-DOS program, MS-DOS Kermit runs in 640K memory space, and will use extended or expanded memory if available. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 21 22:03:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA22721 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA15896 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!master.news.rcn.net!not-for-mail From: kifox@hotmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: CKermit 6.1beta rpm? Date: 22 Oct 1998 02:02:36 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 47 Message-ID: <70m3ns$6no$2@autumn.news.rcn.net> References: <7093jk$hpl$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <709arq$ajk$1@samba.rahul.net> <70dgmp$1i9$1@post.servtech.com> <70ju4k$567$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <70kpvd$7mu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: user11.firstsaga.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: autumn.news.rcn.net 909021756 6904 207.96.9.111 (22 Oct 1998 02:02:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Oct 1998 02:02:36 GMT X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.10 (beta 1) [de] (16bit) X-No-Archive: Yes Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9376 comp.os.linux.misc:303464 In article <70kpvd$7mu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu says... > >In article <70ju4k$567$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>, >Jim Osborn wrote: >: >: Thought I'd close the loop with this thread, which I started after >: seeing an ominous remark by Frank, implying that I might need the >: beta version with a new Linux distribution. >: >: I'm happy to report that my good old C-Kermit 6.0.192, straight >: off the CD that came with the Using C-Kermit book in late 1997, >: compiled just fine with my S.u.S.E 5.3 distribution. I had to >: tell the linker that the lcurses and ltermcap libs were in their >: own directories in /usr/lib, and open up some permissions in /var/lock. >: >: So, the moral is, don't panic. :) >: >To some extent -- some people have trouble, some don't. I can't >necessarily keep up with all the variations in the many Linux >distributions and versions of them. What was the Right Way to do a >particular one day often becomes Horribly Wrong the next. > >Nonstandard items that were added to C-Kermit for early versions Linux to >allow such features as hardware flow control and high serial speeds are >now verboten. There is the curses vs ncurses naming problem, not to >mention library version skew. There are evidently issues related to glibc >vs libc and who knows what else, plus the neverending circus of /dev/cux >vs /dev/ttySx vs /dev/modem vs UUCP lockfiles. > >C-Kermit 6.1 adapts to modern Linuxes by compiling out the nonstandard >device-related code and using more-or-less regular POSIX constructs if you >choose the "make linux" target. Targets (with accompanying #ifdefs) are >still present for older versions. As far as I know, however, the 6.1 >Beta.05 "make linux" target works for Red Hat, Debian, Slackware, and SuSE >-- if this is a misimpression, now would be a good time for me to find out. > >In particular, you say "I had to tell the linker that the lcurses and >ltermcap libs were in their own directories in /usr/lib..." So what >directory are they in? Is this a SuSE peculiarity? Or did all the >packagers move these libraries? Do we now need separate makefile entries >for SuSE, Red Hat, etc? Speaking as a user of RedHat 5.1, the make linux" target works just fine. I ran into no problems compliling from the C-Kermit 6.1 source code. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Oct 21 23:24:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00807 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA20326 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.idt.net!nntp2.cerf.net!nntp3.cerf.net!mvb.saic.com!news.eskimo.com!jimo From: jimo@eskimo.com (Jim Osborn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: CKermit 6.1beta rpm? Date: 21 Oct 1998 21:33:59 GMT Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever Lines: 40 Message-ID: <70lk07$4qb$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> References: <7093jk$hpl$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <70dgmp$1i9$1@post.servtech.com> <70ju4k$567$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <70kpvd$7mu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: eskimo.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9377 comp.os.linux.misc:303492 Frank da Cruz wrote: >In particular, you say "I had to tell the linker that the lcurses and >ltermcap libs were in their own directories in /usr/lib..." So what >directory are they in? Is this a SuSE peculiarity? Or did all the >packagers move these libraries? Do we now need separate makefile entries >for SuSE, Red Hat, etc? I can only speak for SuSE 5.3, as this is my first upgrade in about three years. In /usr/lib is directory curses/, containing two entries, libcurses.a and a symlink libcurses.so pointing to the shared lib. Similarly, in /usr/lib is directory termcap/, with two similar entries. This seems like a sensible organization to deal with static vs shared libraries, but I don't know if it's standard among distributions. I'd think the File System Standard would address this. I'm just a user, so I can't speak authoritatively, but I think things are generally converging, rather than diverging. Hopefully most all this sort of minor location trouble can and will be overcome with a few well-chosen symlinks. >C-Kermit 6.1 Beta.05 can be found at: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html Which, I believe, ultimately points to (for those that prefer ftp): ftp://ftp.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin which is just full of goodies. Thanks for illuminating some of the frustrations of keeping up with the various changes. In particular, the details of dealing with things like hardware flow control sound worth my following up on. Now if I can just figure out where these beeps come from whenever a script writes to the screen... :) Cheers, and thanks for the info. Jim From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 22 10:22:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00469 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA26721 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: CKermit 6.1beta rpm? Date: 22 Oct 1998 14:22:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-ID: <70nf3i$oga$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <7093jk$hpl$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <70ju4k$567$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <70kpvd$7mu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <70lk07$4qb$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9378 comp.os.linux.misc:303582 In article <70lk07$4qb$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>, Jim Osborn wrote: : ... : Thanks for illuminating some of the frustrations of keeping up with : the various changes. In particular, the details of dealing with : things like hardware flow control sound worth my following up on. : I'd still like confirmation that C-Kermit 6.1 Beta can be built "out of the box" on Red Hat, Slackware, Debian, SuSE, Caldera, and any other Linux distributions I might not know about, and various versions of each, and if not, what the error messages are or what changes had to be made to Kermit itself, or what symlinks had to be installed, etc. Instructions: $ mkdir kermit $ cd kermit $ ftp kermit.columbia.edu user: anonymous password: your-email-address ftp> cd kermit/test/bin ftp> binary ftp> get cku193.tar.gz ftp> bye $ gunzip cku193.tar.gz $ tar xvf cku193.tar $ make linux Please send me note stating the Linux package name and version (e.g. Red Hat 5.1), the hardware platform (PC, Alpha, Sparc, etc), and the results of the build (success, or failure with messages). I already know it is OK on Red Hat 5.1 (PC and Alpha), and on the Amiga (Red Hat 5.0). Thanks! : Now if I can just figure out where these beeps come from whenever : a script writes to the screen... :) : Beeps come from: a. Syntax error messages (when an invalid command is included in the script). Cure: fix the syntax errors. b. BEL characters coming from the host and displayed locally during INPUT / MINPUT when INPUT ECHO is ON. Cure: SET INPUT ECHO OFF. c. Completion of file transfer. To defeat: SET TRANSFER BELL OFF. d. Explicit "printing" of BEL characters by your script, using the BEEP command or by including \7 in an ECHO string, etc. But if you had done this, you would expect some beeps. Of course other beeps are possible during interactive use: the ones that come from host in CONNECT (terminal) mode, the ones you get by trying to complete a command field that is invalid or insufficiently specified, or by trying to delete past the beginning of the command buffer, or by trying to recall commands beyond the boundaries of the recall buffer, etc. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 22 14:25:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11047 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA10563 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.u.washington.edu!neko.dental.washington.edu!ap From: Andrew J Pardoe Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Stop automatic resetting of terminal emulation? Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:17:28 -0700 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 30 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: neko.dental.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: nntp6.u.washington.edu 909073051 35302 (None) 140.142.17.37 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu X-X-Sender: ap@saul.u.washington.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9379 We use K/2 and K-95 heavily to telnet to different applications throughout our hospital. We've run into a problem twice where the remote host will reset the terminal emulation of the local K-95 just after the remote login sequence is completed. It's not a problem when the VT host changes the emulation from VT320 to VT220 but we've run into a conundrum when an SCOANSI host changes the emulation from SCOANSI (which works perfectly) to ANSI (which doesn't.) Two possible solutions present themselves: first, get the host to stop sending a request to change terminal emulation; second, set Kermit to ignore any requests to change the terminal emulation. Knowing the kind of support one receives from Kermit, I decided to start here. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I couldn't find this addressed in the manual(s) or Dejanews so I'm stuck. Thank you, Andrew Pardoe University of Washington PS: I realize I can go back to the command line to manually reset the terminal emulation to what it was originally and go on my merry way. Unfortunately, the many of the people here wouldn't quite understand the concept of command line, let alone terminal emulation. Heck, Alt-X is probably stretching the computer skills of some... From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 22 14:54:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20424 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12145 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Stop automatic resetting of terminal emulation? Date: 22 Oct 1998 18:54:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 58 Message-ID: <70nv1o$52p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9380 In article , Andrew J Pardoe wrote: : : We use K/2 and K-95 heavily to telnet to different applications throughout : our hospital. We've run into a problem twice where the remote host will : reset the terminal emulation of the local K-95 just after the remote login : sequence is completed. : : It's not a problem when the VT host changes the emulation from VT320 to : VT220 but we've run into a conundrum when an SCOANSI host changes the : emulation from SCOANSI (which works perfectly) to ANSI (which doesn't.) : : Two possible solutions present themselves: first, get the host to stop : sending a request to change terminal emulation; second, set Kermit to : ignore any requests to change the terminal emulation. Knowing the kind of : support one receives from Kermit, I decided to start here. : : Any suggestions would be appreciated. I couldn't find this addressed in : the manual(s) or Dejanews so I'm stuck. : >From BUGS.TXT and the BUGS page in the HTML Manual: 253. HINT: Using SCOANSI emulation with SCO hosts There is a type of terminal emulation commonly called ANSI, which is used by BBS's. It is very simple -- essentially nothing more than what you get with ANSI.SYS on a PC. Then there is the highly evolved and complex version of it used on the SCO (and Linux) console. Kermit 95 supports both; the first emulation is called ANSI; the second is called SCOANSI. However, the *name* SCOANSI is unknown on SCO systems. They call it just ANSI. So if a Telnet client such as Kermit 95 comes in announcing its terminal type as SCOANSI, the SCO host doesn't recognize it. In Kermit 95 1.1.8 and later, the Telnet terminal-type negotiation feature will cause Kermit 95 to change to another terminal type, most likely "plain old" ANSI. To work around this problem in Kermit 95: set terminal type scoansi set telnet terminal-type ansi set terminal character-set transparent Or on the SCO system: Copy the /usr/lib/terminfo/terminfo.src entry for ansi to an scoansi.src file, changing "ansi" to "scoansi" in that file, and then run tic on it. In /etc/termcap, add "scoansi" as an alternate name in the "ansi" entry. SCO will add "scoansi" as an official terminal type (or, more precisely, a preinstalled synonym for what it now calls "ansi") in its next OpenServer release. (However, as of OSR5.0.4, they have not yet done so). Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 22 18:05:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14610 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA22451 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: nina525@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: syntax for file collision update feature? Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:12:20 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 15 Message-ID: <70o3j4$jed$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.97.170.233 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Oct 22 20:12:20 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x2.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 166.97.170.233 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9381 We are writing a test plan for Y2K compliance of Kermit. We know this has already been performed at Columbia U, but our customer insists that we perform our own compliance test. We have ordered the Kermit manual and we are confident that with our current purchasing procedures it will arrive sometime prior to Jan 1, 2000, but in the meantime... Can anyone suggest a syntax for a command that uses the file collision update feature and the /before and /after file selection switches on Solaris 2.6? Also, how does one use the attribute packet feature? Thanks in advance, Nina -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 22 19:03:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29385 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA25521 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Stop automatic resetting of terminal emulation? Message-ID: Date: 22 Oct 98 15:33:43 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 51 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9382 In article , Andrew J Pardoe writes: > We use K/2 and K-95 heavily to telnet to different applications throughout > our hospital. We've run into a problem twice where the remote host will > reset the terminal emulation of the local K-95 just after the remote login > sequence is completed. > > It's not a problem when the VT host changes the emulation from VT320 to > VT220 but we've run into a conundrum when an SCOANSI host changes the > emulation from SCOANSI (which works perfectly) to ANSI (which doesn't.) > > Two possible solutions present themselves: first, get the host to stop > sending a request to change terminal emulation; second, set Kermit to > ignore any requests to change the terminal emulation. Knowing the kind of > support one receives from Kermit, I decided to start here. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. I couldn't find this addressed in > the manual(s) or Dejanews so I'm stuck. > > Thank you, > > Andrew Pardoe > University of Washington > > PS: I realize I can go back to the command line to manually reset the > terminal emulation to what it was originally and go on my merry way. > Unfortunately, the many of the people here wouldn't quite understand the > concept of command line, let alone terminal emulation. Heck, Alt-X is > probably stretching the computer skills of some... --------- Andrew, Curious that you should bring up the topic because we had gone over it recently in the project. Let me indicate the two views on the matter. First is the IETF view. It says when the remote host asks repeatedly for a terminal type the client is supposed to offer new kinds in each response, as a negotiation process. Thus if a remote host does not understand or accept one kind it asks again and the two sides run down their lists. Spelling counts for everything here, and no two machines seem to agree on spelling of terminal names. The RFCs do this haggle stuff. The second is my view, which is the negotiation is stupid in the extreme. When the client responds with a terminal type that's it, there isn't more to the game. The remote host accepts or copes or rejects. The reason haggling is so stupid is there is a great deal more concerning terminal emulation than just the name/kind, and changing the name/kind upsets all other items associated with the session. Keyboard definitions, expectations by software at either end, and so on are most often tailored for specific terminal kinds, and here the IETF says it's fine to negotiate away that information without a word to the user. Amazing. The fix, if we may use that term, is to force the terminal name in the SET TCP TERM command so only one kind is permitted to be offered, period. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 22 19:36:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09019 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA27265 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Stop automatic resetting of terminal emulation? Date: 22 Oct 1998 23:36:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 98 Message-ID: <70ofhk$e9d$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9383 In article , Joe Doupnik wrote: : Curious that you should bring up the topic because we had gone : over it recently in the project. Let me indicate the two views on the matter. : First is the IETF view. It says when the remote host asks repeatedly : for a terminal type the client is supposed to offer new kinds in each : response, as a negotiation process. Thus if a remote host does not understand : or accept one kind it asks again and the two sides run down their lists. : Spelling counts for everything here, and no two machines seem to agree : on spelling of terminal names. The RFCs do this haggle stuff. : The second is my view, which is the negotiation is stupid in the : extreme. When the client responds with a terminal type that's it, there : isn't more to the game. The remote host accepts or copes or rejects. The : reason haggling is so stupid is there is a great deal more concerning : terminal emulation than just the name/kind, and changing the name/kind : upsets all other items associated with the session. Keyboard definitions, : expectations by software at either end, and so on are most often tailored : for specific terminal kinds, and here the IETF says it's fine to negotiate : away that information without a word to the user. Amazing. : The fix, if we may use that term, is to force the terminal name : in the SET TCP TERM command so only one kind is permitted to be offered, : period. : Joe D. Joe: This case is not the same as the one that you and I talked about privately. In your case, the terminal type name "VT320" is not recognized by the host, a VMS system, but after the login occurs a terminal type query is sent by the host which then recognizes the terminal type as a VT320. This lack of host recognition of the Telnet Terminal Type negotiation is indeed caused by a failure of the host to have the same name for the terminal as the emulator, but because it has an alternate identification method things still work. Now lets take the case above. Kermit reports the terminal type name as "SCOANSI" to the host, an SCO OpenServer Unix system. "SCOANSI" is not recognized as a valid name in the termcap and terminfo databases an so rejects it and asks for another name. If Kermit does not respond with a new name and instead continues sending "SCOANSI" the result is that the TERM environment variable is set to "SCOANSI" and all of the applications which are dependent on termcap and terminfo entries fail with something like: $ emacs emacs: Terminal type scoansi is not defined. If that is not the actual type of terminal you have, use the Bourne shell command `TERM=... export TERM' (C-shell: `setenv TERM ...') to specify the correct type. It may be necessary to do `unset TERMCAP' (C-shell: `unsetenv TERMCAP') as well. $ This happens because unlike VMS, Unix does not attempt to perform a VT terminal id query after the login procedure succeeds when the terminal type in unknown. SCO has corrected this problem is their current releases by adding "scoansi" as an alias for "ansi" in the terminfo database. (They still forgot to put one there in the termcap database.) Kermit's attempt to negotiate a terminal type that SCO recognizes is the best method to ensure that the applications started by the user will in fact work. Even if it means that they won't be running in the optimal environment. The problem with the name "ANSI" as used by SCO is that there is no such thing as an ANSI terminal. The ANSI X3.64-1979 standard (since withdrawn and replaced by ISO 6429) is just a framework upon which manufacturers could define their terminal command sets. It did not specify a list of required functions, nor keyboard commands, nor prevent multiple but incompatible implementations of the same function. The result are implementations based on X3.64-1979 which are rather non-interoperable. SCO should never have called its console terminal "ANSI", just as IBM should never have called its console driver "ANSI.SYS" which was then superceded by "NANSI.SYS".... Since the SCO console is not the same as ANSI.SYS and not the same as BeOS console or Linux console or Unixware console or QNX ANSI console it should not be called "ANSI". Hence, the name "SCOANSI" in Kermit in order to distiguish it from the previous "ANSI" terminal type that Kermit supported which is based on "ANSI.SYS". Kermit 95 1.1.18 will work around all of these problems. Not by removing the negotiation of terminal types as declared by the IETF but by enhancing its support of it by including terminal type aliases. As it turns out VMS uses the name "DEC-VT300" instead of "VT320" to describe the VT320 terminal type. SCO already had aliases for "ANSI" including "ANSI-850" and "ANSI-8859". So now when "SCOANSI" is not recognized K95 will try the other two before switching to a different terminal emulation. Leaving the terminal type in a mode that is not recognized by the host does not serve anyone's best interest. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 22 19:41:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA10071 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA27518 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!neko.dental.washington.edu!ap From: Andrew J Pardoe Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Stop automatic resetting of terminal emulation? Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:43:06 -0700 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <70nv1o$52p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: neko.dental.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: nntp6.u.washington.edu 909092590 10146 (None) 140.142.17.38 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <70nv1o$52p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> X-X-Sender: ap@bp16.u.washington.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9384 Thank you, Jeffrey. I knew I hadn't checked everywhere! On 22 Oct 1998, Jeffrey Altman wrote: > From BUGS.TXT and the BUGS page in the HTML Manual: > > 253. HINT: Using SCOANSI emulation with SCO hosts From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 22 21:10:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA19008 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA02326 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!news.pbi.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@10.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: CKermit 6.1beta rpm? Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Date: 23 Oct 1998 01:10:05 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 14 Message-ID: <70ol1d$1el$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <7093jk$hpl$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <70ju4k$567$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <70kpvd$7mu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <70lk07$4qb$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <70nf3i$oga$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9385 comp.os.linux.misc:303710 Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : I already know it is OK on Red Hat 5.1 (PC and Alpha), and on the Amiga : (Red Hat 5.0). Gee, Frank, I realize I'm not very good at building C-Kermit, but it failed miserably on my out-of-the-box RedHat 5.1 on a PC. (I suppose now I'll be forced to try again, and forward some logs) -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Oct 22 22:33:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA28664 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA07032 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Stop automatic resetting of terminal emulation? Message-ID: Date: 22 Oct 98 18:36:41 MDT References: <70ofhk$e9d$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 62 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9386 In article <70ofhk$e9d$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > In article , Joe Doupnik wrote: > : Curious that you should bring up the topic because we had gone > : over it recently in the project. Let me indicate the two views on the matter. > : First is the IETF view. It says when the remote host asks repeatedly > : for a terminal type the client is supposed to offer new kinds in each > : response, as a negotiation process. Thus if a remote host does not understand > : or accept one kind it asks again and the two sides run down their lists. > : Spelling counts for everything here, and no two machines seem to agree > : on spelling of terminal names. The RFCs do this haggle stuff. > : The second is my view, which is the negotiation is stupid in the > : extreme. When the client responds with a terminal type that's it, there > : isn't more to the game. The remote host accepts or copes or rejects. The > : reason haggling is so stupid is there is a great deal more concerning > : terminal emulation than just the name/kind, and changing the name/kind > : upsets all other items associated with the session. Keyboard definitions, > : expectations by software at either end, and so on are most often tailored > : for specific terminal kinds, and here the IETF says it's fine to negotiate > : away that information without a word to the user. Amazing. > : The fix, if we may use that term, is to force the terminal name > : in the SET TCP TERM command so only one kind is permitted to be offered, > : period. > : Joe D. > > Joe: > > This case is not the same as the one that you and I talked about privately. > In your case, the terminal type name "VT320" is not recognized by the host, > a VMS system, but after the login occurs a terminal type query is sent > by the host which then recognizes the terminal type as a VT320. This lack > of host recognition of the Telnet Terminal Type negotiation is indeed > caused by a failure of the host to have the same name for the terminal > as the emulator, but because it has an alternate identification method > things still work. > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 > The Kermit Project * Columbia University > 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org ----------- It is the very same thing we talked about. Please notice that I am not critisizing K95 et al, but I am blasting the IETF for letting things progress has they have. You nicely made my point by showing that some apps which expect a certain terminal type recognize things are not working and they don't work either. That is proper. Now the user has the opportunity to do something specific about the matter, rather than being deceived by Telnet Options. Some apps don't know and then we are in difficulties without realizing it. Life would have been simpler if there had been both adherence to the list of terminal names and timely expansion of the same, and vendors who read before pressing keys. But like Unix itself, things got out of control irreversibly. Given the muddle my position remains: what the user selects is what he/she expects to receive. Telnet terminal kind is only one piece of a larger integrated sequence of actions and it cannot change its behavior willy nilly without bad consequences. What can be done? Well, there is a constructive alternative available to us. One, enable both ends to deal with aliases of common terminal names. Two, allow different terminal kinds upon permission and control of the user. The first is readily accomplished in many cases, the second requires user interface modification. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 23 00:29:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA08826 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA12951 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 00:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Stop automatic resetting of terminal emulation? Date: 23 Oct 1998 04:29:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 86 Message-ID: <70p0mi$nij$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <70ofhk$e9d$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9387 In article , Joe Doupnik wrote: : It is the very same thing we talked about. Please notice that I am : not critisizing K95 et al, but I am blasting the IETF for letting things : progress has they have. You nicely made my point by showing that some apps : which expect a certain terminal type recognize things are not working and : they don't work either. That is proper. Now the user has the opportunity : to do something specific about the matter, rather than being deceived : by Telnet Options. Some apps don't know and then we are in difficulties : without realizing it. : Life would have been simpler if there had been both adherence to : the list of terminal names and timely expansion of the same, and vendors : who read before pressing keys. But like Unix itself, things got out of : control irreversibly. : Given the muddle my position remains: what the user selects is : what he/she expects to receive. Telnet terminal kind is only one piece : of a larger integrated sequence of actions and it cannot change its : behavior willy nilly without bad consequences. : What can be done? Well, there is a constructive alternative : available to us. One, enable both ends to deal with aliases of common : terminal names. Two, allow different terminal kinds upon permission and : control of the user. The first is readily accomplished in many cases, the : second requires user interface modification. : Joe D. There are two very different philosophies about how things should be handled when the software configuration does not match the requirements of the connection the user wants to make. The first, which is your approach, is to not do anything and wait for the user to detect the problem and initiate a fix. This approach makes the very big assumption that the user will know how to determine what is wrong and be able to fix it, or have someone locally available to do that for them. The second approach is to try to fix it for the user in an automated way before the problem becomes a reality. Very often this approach works, and the user doesn't even know the difference. Sometimes it doesn't work at all and the user who knows how to fix it does, and the ones that do not know, ask for help. Sometimes it sort of works and the response of the user (see previous sentence) depends upon on the impact of the new problem. I am a believer in the second approach. And hence, the software that I create tries to do things for the user whenver possible even if sometimes we might guess wrong. We always provide a method for the user to turn off the automatic mode if it is necessary. Hence, Kermit 95 and C-Kermit (when possible): . auto-detect file transfers in both directions . configures character-sets for Text transfers and terminal emulation . sets the terminal window size . responds to escape sequences during the INPUT command so the user does not have to worry about them . auto-switches between terminal types . optimizes file transfer parameters . auto-switches between file transfer modes based upon filename . automates the authentication process . auto-detects the modem type associated with a TAPI device . auto-detects the current location for dialing local, long distance, international calls. My experience has been that as the end user population becomes more mainstream and less techie we must attempt to automatically adjust to the technical necessities of the moment for the user whenever possible. Otherwise, one of two things happen: . the user base overwhelms the support personel with questions about why won't the modem dial, or PINE start, or the file transfer go fast; or . the user becomes frustrated and chooses another product. Given the low volume of technical support queries that we receive compared to our installed base, I think that we have made the correct set of choices. Does this approach work all of the time? No, but for every time is does work, we have one less user making a phone call, sending an e-mail or posting to a newsgroup. And I think that is appreciated by our users and their local support groups. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 23 06:09:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA02674 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 06:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA10030 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 06:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!psdcomms.pronto.com.au!stuart From: stuart@psd.com.au (Stuart Park) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: CKermit 6.1beta rpm? Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Date: 23 Oct 1998 07:44:30 GMT Organization: Prometheus Software Lines: 24 Message-ID: <70pc4u$piu@psdcomms.pronto.com.au> References: <7093jk$hpl$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <709arq$ajk$1@samba.rahul.net> <70dgmp$1i9$1@post.servtech.com> <70ju4k$567$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <70kpvd$7mu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ibmj30 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9388 comp.os.linux.misc:303787 Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : To some extent -- some people have trouble, some don't. I can't : necessarily keep up with all the variations in the many Linux : distributions and versions of them. What was the Right Way to do a : particular one day often becomes Horribly Wrong the next. It's probably best to just stick with one version of Linux (e.g. Redhat) and emphasize that in any documentation, and then it is up to package maintainers etc to configure the relevant parts. Actually the Redhat people seem to be pretty good at making small modifications to software to suit their releases, and you could then have available the "rpm" they create. The same could apply to other versions e.g. Debian. It really shouldn't have to be the responsibility of a generic product such as kermit to handle every single combination of Linux kernel and libraries.. leave that responsibility to the package maintainers. -- Stuart Park Melbourne, Australia Senior Analyst E-mail: stuart@pronto.com.au Prometheus Software From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 23 09:21:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07585 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00676 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: CKermit 6.1beta rpm? Date: 23 Oct 1998 13:21:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <70pvt4$32q$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <7093jk$hpl$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <70lk07$4qb$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> <70nf3i$oga$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <70ol1d$1el$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9389 comp.os.linux.misc:303818 In article <70ol1d$1el$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : : I already know it is OK on Red Hat 5.1 (PC and Alpha), and on the Amiga : : (Red Hat 5.0). : : Gee, Frank, I realize I'm not very good at building C-Kermit, but it failed : miserably on my out-of-the-box RedHat 5.1 on a PC. : : (I suppose now I'll be forced to try again, and forward some logs) : Please do! The only way I can get it right is if I get reports back about every platform during the testing phase. Of course it is discouraging that one user reports success with RH 5.1 and another reports failure. Speculation: I've had reports that RH 5.1 installation gives you the choice about which pieces of the development environment to install, and have encountered at least one example where the curses (aptly named!) material was just simply missing, even though cc and make were installed, because the user answered "no" to some question. It sounds like there is going to be a whole new universe of problems to cope with. Personally, I think it's nuts to deploy UNIX systems without a complete development environment. This is what, historically, has distinguished UNIX from most other platforms, and it is the primary reason for its success. It should be a given that programs should be buildable from source code on any UNIX system. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 23 09:50:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15873 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02407 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Stop automatic resetting of terminal emulation? Date: 23 Oct 1998 13:50:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-ID: <70q1jp$426$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <70ofhk$e9d$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9390 In article , Joe Doupnik wrote: : ... : Life would have been simpler if there had been both adherence to : the list of terminal names and timely expansion of the same, and vendors : who read before pressing keys. But like Unix itself, things got out of : control irreversibly. : Especially nowadays when computers are big-business and mass-market consumer items. The careful attention once paid to standards -- their formulation, and subsequent adherence to them -- is pretty much out the window. Yet I believe we must support the standards process, both by participating in it and by following standards even sometimes in cases when we don't necessarily agree with them (well, within reason). The problem at hand is what to do when the client says "I have terminal type xyz" and the host does not understand the name "xyz". The TELNET RFCs allow two approaches. One is simple: do nothing, in which case the user can recover by hand. The other is to negotiate through a list until an agreeable type is found. The tradeoffs between control (favored by the knowledgable user) and "seamlessness" (for the less knowledgable) are obvious. The problem with the latter occurs not so much because a particular name does not appear in a list at the IANA, but because no semantics are attached to the names in the IANA terminal-type list. Of course, when the list was started, no semantics were needed since terminal names referred to real physical devices with well-defined properties, published in technical manuals. Nowadays, many "terminal types" exist only as software abstractions with no physical counterparts, while others are improper emulations of physical terminals that no longer exist and whose technical manuals are no longer available. As noted previously in this discussion, the ANSI name is virtually meaningless, since many vendors (and makers of shareware, freeware, etc) have appropriated this term and applied it to their mutually incompatible products. This gives rise to difficulties such as the one we see when trying to match terminal types between Kermit 95 and an SCO host, described in a previous posting. The problem in this case, however, is SCO's, and was reported to them (by us) long ago, and has been addressed (partially) in SCO Open Server 5.0.5: http://www.sco.com/cgi-bin/ssl_reference?109521 As Jeff noted, the automatic matching of terminal type tends to be beneficial for the typical Kermit 95 user, who -- in 1998 -- is less of a tinkerer than the typical MS-DOS Kermit user. Thus, I think MS-DOS Kermit behaves appropriately for its constituency, and so does Kermit 95. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 23 12:19:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25622 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10627 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!not-for-mail From: "Rod B. Nussbaumer" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: saving VMS RMS file type with transfer to DOS? Date: 23 Oct 1998 16:19:15 GMT Organization: TRIUMF, Canada's National MESON Research Facility Lines: 31 Message-ID: <70qaa3$5st$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: lin01.triumf.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970922; i686 Linux 2.0.32] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9391 I have problem that I initially dismissed as insurmountable, but all the smart folks in this group may be able to prove me wrong. The objective is to transfer a *lot* of files from a VAX (VMS) to a PC running DOS/Windows. On the PC, the files are to be written to a CD using a DOS/Win hosted CD writer. The CD is to be then read with a CD reader mounted on a VAX. The problem is that the RMS record type is lost in the file transfer *unless there is some provision for this that I don't know about*. From what I know about MS-Kermit & MS-DOS, there is no concept analagous to VMS's RMS, and therefore no way of preserving it during file transfers. But then, I'm not nearly the expert all of you are... Hosting the CD writer on the VAX is not an option. There is no requirement to use the files on the PC, other than to write them to the CD. Any suggestions welcome, including alternative file transfer protocols/methods. Thanks, --- rod. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rod Nussbaumer, Programmer/Technologist Internet: bomr@triumf.ca TRIUMF --- University of British Columbia, Phone: (604)222-7449 Vancouver, BC, Canada. FAX: (604)222-7307 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 23 12:32:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00151 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA11260 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 12:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: saving VMS RMS file type with transfer to DOS? Date: 23 Oct 1998 16:32:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-ID: <70qb2v$95f$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <70qaa3$5st$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9392 comp.os.vms:189521 In article <70qaa3$5st$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>, Rod B. Nussbaumer wrote: : I have problem that I initially dismissed as insurmountable, but : all the smart folks in this group may be able to prove me wrong. : : The objective is to transfer a *lot* of files from a VAX (VMS) to a : PC running DOS/Windows. On the PC, the files are to be written to : a CD using a DOS/Win hosted CD writer. The CD is to be then read : with a CD reader mounted on a VAX. The problem is that the RMS : record type is lost in the file transfer *unless there is some : provision for this that I don't know about*. From what I know : about MS-Kermit & MS-DOS, there is no concept analagous to VMS's : RMS, and therefore no way of preserving it during file transfers. : That's absolutely correct. : Hosting the CD writer on the VAX is not an option. There is no : requirement to use the files on the PC, other than to write them : to the CD. : : Any suggestions welcome, including alternative file transfer : protocols/methods. : It's easier than you think. Use C-Kermit 6.0 on VMS: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html Use Kermit 95 on the PC if it is running Windows 95, 98, or NT (or OS/2): http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Or use MS-DOS Kermit if it is running DOS or Windows 3.x: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html Now simply tell C-Kermit to: SET FILE TYPE LABELED before sending the files to the PC (see the VMS Appendix of "Using C-Kermit" for details). Then go ahead and put them on your CDROM. To restore them to VMS from the CDROM with all their original RMS attributes, use the CKV*CVT.EXE program that comes with VMS C-Kermit (* = A for Alpha, V for VAX). (I'm not sure if CKVxCVT can read directly from the CDROM or if the files must first be copied to a regular VMS disk -- I don't know that much about how VMS supports CDROMS...) - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 23 13:46:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22387 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA15339 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.new-york.net!news.spc.edu!not-for-mail From: Terry Kennedy Subject: Re: saving VMS RMS file type with transfer to DOS? X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970527; i386 BSD/OS 3.1] X-Complaints-To: Email abuse@spc.edu if this posting is inappropriate NNTP-Posting-Host: spcunb.spc.edu Organization: St. Peter's College, US Message-ID: References: <70qaa3$5st$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> X-Trace: spcuna.spc.edu 909164059 28077 terry [192.107.46.132] Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 17:34:20 GMT Lines: 24 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9393 Rod B. Nussbaumer writes: > Hosting the CD writer on the VAX is not an option. There is no > requirement to use the files on the PC, other than to write them > to the CD. I'd suggest creating a contiguous file the size of the CD on the VMS system, mounting it as a virtual disk (using Glenn Everhart's driver), then copying the file down to the PC and telling your CD recording software to burn a CD using that file as an image. The Golden Hawk (http://www.goldenhawk.com) CD software can do this, for example. That will give you a regular ODS-2 CD you can mount on a VMS system. Newer VMS versions can mount ISO CD's, so if you wanted to skip the virtual disk stuff on the VMS system, you could just store the files in a form that preserves the file attributes when the file is extracted - Kermit, as Frank mentioned, BACKUP savesets (if you fiddle the record size), .ZIP files, .TLB files, etc. But you lose direct access to the files without first extracting them. Terry Kennedy Operations Manager, Academic Computing terry@spcvxa.spc.edu St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA +1 201 915 9381 (voice) +1 201 435-3662 (FAX) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 23 14:31:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04901 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17884 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news1.best.com!204.247.247.47.MISMATCH!news.ncal.verio.com!not-for-mail From: "Den" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit won't print screen Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 11:24:21 +0100 Organization: Verio Northern California's Usenet News Service Lines: 16 Message-ID: <70qi1p$61u$1@news.ncal.verio.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: quincy20.psln.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9394 On a windows nt 4.0 machine. K95 wont see all the windows print queues and thus will not print to ones it does not see. On one machine I tried it on, it saw no print queues at all, even though two were installed. On a second test machine, it saw two queues out of four. Can't seem to figure out what would keep it from seeing the printers? Printers are Network print queues. All printers are HP 4000. MS word will print to all these queues just fine. Any suggestions or help is appreciated. Us k95 1.1.15 and in one case 1.1.17 Dennis From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 23 15:07:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15562 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19877 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit won't print screen Date: 23 Oct 1998 19:07:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <70qk5n$egg$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <70qi1p$61u$1@news.ncal.verio.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9395 In article <70qi1p$61u$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, Den wrote: : On a windows nt 4.0 machine. K95 wont see all the windows print queues and : thus will not print to ones it does not see. On one machine I tried it on, : it saw no print queues at all, even though two were installed. On a second : test machine, it saw two queues out of four. : : Can't seem to figure out what would keep it from seeing the printers? : Printers are Network print queues. All printers are HP 4000. : MS word will print to all these queues just fine. : : Any suggestions or help is appreciated. : : Us k95 1.1.15 and in one case 1.1.17 1.1.15 was unable to see Network Queues on NT 4. This is not a problem with 1.1.17. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Oct 23 19:55:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00945 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA05455 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 19:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.u.washington.edu!neko.dental.washington.edu!ap From: Andrew J Pardoe Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Stop automatic resetting of terminal emulation? Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:04:50 -0700 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <70ofhk$e9d$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <70q1jp$426$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: neko.dental.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: nntp6.u.washington.edu 909180293 51760 (None) 140.142.17.39 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu In-Reply-To: <70q1jp$426$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> X-X-Sender: ap@bp16.u.washington.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9396 I read with great interest the followups to my original problem. As the followups were from three persons who are intimately involved with the development of Kermit, let me throw back in a lowly enduser's perspective. The ideal software would be that which allows you to perform your task without noticing the software itself. Specifically, autonegotiation of terminal type is a pretty neat trick. Assuming that both the server and the client are using the same name for the same terminal type it's a wonderful thing to have the correct terminal type selected without user intervention. Ignorance, they say, is bliss. Unfortunately, ignorance is also just plain ignorance. When I noticed the problem I first had to prove to myself that Kermit was capable of negotiating the terminal type with the server. I had no idea that sort of thing was done as my experience with telnet apps leads me to believe they are simple and stupid (consider the name "dumb terminal", for example.) It was no shock to learn Kermit could do this great thing as Kermit is much more than your average telnet app but still, as the lowly enduser, I had no idea to expect this sort of behavior from any telnet app. (Note, though, that Kermit has provided the appropriate notification by putting the correct terminal type on the bottom of my screen. It is the user's responsibility to notice that the type posted was not the type specified.) However, I expect that whenever a piece of software offers an unexpected or extraordinary feature that the software provide a method to turn off that feature. When I searched through my manuals I was looking for a command similar to "SET TERMINAL TYPE AUTONEGOTIATION OFF". Hint. Thank you three gentlemen, anyway, for the without question the most valuable software on the market today. It is a pleasure to use. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Oct 24 00:20:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA26278 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA19843 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 00:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Stop automatic resetting of terminal emulation? Date: 24 Oct 1998 04:20:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-ID: <70rkj7$35q$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <70q1jp$426$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:9397 In article , Andrew J Pardoe wrote: : : However, I expect that whenever a piece of software offers an unexpected : or extraordinary feature that the software provide a method to turn off : that feature. When I searched through my manuals I was looking for a : command similar to "SET TERMINAL TYPE AUTONEGOTIATION OFF". : Just as a reminder, there is a way to turn it off which is documented in the manual and in the BUGS.TXT file. The reason the method is not called "SET TERMINAL TYPE-AUTONEGOTIATION OFF" is because the auto negotiation is limited to "Telnet" protocol and therefore falls under that command category. The next versions of Kermit 95 and C-Kermit allow the user to determine exactly how each of the Telnet Options is handled. For each telopt there is a command: SET TELOPT /CLIENT /SERVER