Subject: Info-Mac Digest V15 #182 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Info-Mac-Digest" --Info-Mac-Digest Info-Mac Digest Wed, 27 Aug 97 Volume 15 : Issue 182 Today's Topics: [*] TidBITS#394/25-Aug-97 (Q) Why is cursor pointed left? 7.6.1 problems Bad Extension problems Does my 7100 use a Display Card 8*24 GC Eudora has the quits! Eudora Lite S-ERR error msg Folder Aliases under the Apple Menu... Info-Mac Digest V15 #169 Info-Mac Digest V15 #177 Mac LC II, which version of MacOS ? Need update information. OS 8 install os 8 problem Performa 6400 HD PERSONAL: Looking for lost bag... PM 6.5 Printer Help (?) Speech the next paradigm? Don't think so... SuperBoomerang for OS 8? SuperBoomerang for OS8 Using TCP/IP & PPP on an SE with 6.0.7 The Info-Mac Network operates by the volunteer efforts of: Gordon Watts, Adam C. 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Topics: MailBITS/25-Aug-97 German TidBITS Mailing List and Overseas Mirrors Magazine Mergers, Media, and Advertising, Continued... Clone Licensing Brouhaha [Archived as /info-mac/per/tb/tidbits-394.etx; 30K] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:33:49 -0700 From: "Paul [not \"Brian\"] Brians" Subject: (Q) Why is cursor pointed left? All of a sudden the arrow cursor on my 7100/80 is pointing left rather than right, both in applications and in the finder. I'm running System 7.5.3. Scans with SAM 4.5.1 and Norton Disk Doctor 3.5.1 find nothing untoward. I'm not aware of having changed anything. What's up? Paul Brians, Department of English,Washington State University Pullman, WA 99164-5020 brians@wsu.edu http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~brians ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:29:58 -0500 From: pring@cajunnet.com (Patrick M. Ring) Subject: 7.6.1 problems Has anyone else had a barrage of problems with Mac Os 7.6.1? Many of the problems I've been having are: chooser doesn't keep settings for my printer I get numberous type 1 and/or type 3 errors -this is especially when I have the PPP running Netscape (301) and Eudora are usually the quitters, but I've seen others. When I go to restart I get a freeze (loss of all control) -on one occassion a type 10 error box came up Unable to access TCP stack and then trouble shutting it back down. (usu crash) Corruption of Finder get message: System Error Occurred "Finder" Bus Error or: System Error Occurred "Finder" CHK Error -Replacing the Finder by itself usually alleviates most of my problems temporarily. Error type 2 while running Netscape Temporary folder becomes visible in System Folder Loss of TCP stability (in PPP) after sleep There are a few more problems that I have, but I feel like they are redundancies of these. A brief run down of my system is as follows: MacIntosh 9500/132 48 Mb RAM 2 Gb HDD ATI Exclaim GA Vid. Card 4x CD ROM floppy ext. Iomega ZIP drive I'm running system 7.6 updated to 7.6.1. I have clean installed it (twice recently and installing all ext's new, not just transferring over). I keep the Virtual Mem. off and the disk cache set to 512K. If anyone can give me a pointer/reason/hint/cure.... I would be very appreciative. Thanks, Pat. @-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:23:35 -0400 From: "Michael G. Schabert" Subject: Bad Extension problems >I was wondering if Apple was/or has come up with a program for detecting >bad system extensions. The only one I am familiar with is the Conflict >Catcher which is made by Cassidy & Greene and was told by one of the >Apple Tech's that Apple did not recognize the product. With the amount >of extensions I need to run it is a long and tedious prossess to catch >the right one. Well, unfortunately, there's a few problems with what you're asking for. Apple has, in the past, made "compatibility checkers" for Applications, CDeV's, and extensions in the past, which scan & compare them against a known database. This of course means that they'd have to know everything out there & keep their knowlege current, which is a tough task. Unfortunately, however, most people who have extension-related problems would not have their problems detected. The main reason is that most extensions work perfectly fine in an isolated environment. It's kinda like drugs. There's nothing wrong with taking Erythromyecin. Likewise, there's nothing wrong with taking Seldane D. But unfortunately, when you mix the two, you can have an instant heart attack. Similarly, many extensions step on each other's toes when they try to trap the same system calls. Conflict Catcher is about the closest thing to AccuFays as it gets (ok, so Fay's wasn't a great example ;-) for helping to find these problems. Apple can't vouch for CC however, because it's not their program. I wouldn't want to offer a "warranty" on anyone else's work either. One item that you might look into also is the InformInit. It tells you what most extensions do, & I think you'll be surprised to find out just how many you can live without. HTH Mike Bikers don't *DO* taglines. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:18:01 +1000 From: Jason Haines Subject: Does my 7100 use a Display Card 8*24 GC >Bissia wrote: > >>with a little question : how do I know if my 7100 have the Macintosh >>Display Card 8=B724 GC. pluged on that machine board, >>without the need to open the Mac case =8A > >There are no current Macs which use that card. It is an _old_ card! Yes, the 8*24GC card originally came out with the Mac IIfx back in March 1990 , and most definitely won't work in PowerMacs with NUBUS like the 7100. However, it may work in some Quadras. Jason Haines mailto:matreya@tig.com.au IRC: matreya #macintosh/oz.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:44:52 -0400 From: "Michael G. Schabert" Subject: Eudora has the quits! >I have had a problem with receiving mail on Eudora Light. Whenever I >have mail to be transferred the application quits. When I then try to >restart Eudora I get a screen freeze that is only overcome by turning >off the mac and then turning it back on. I have an LC with a SupraFax >28.8 Modem. Any suggestions? I don't think my problem has to do with >too much mail as some have suggested to me. >Thanks for any help! While in the finder, go to the Apple menu & select About This Mac (or equivalent under newer systems). Move that window out of the way but somewhere you can still see it. Watch the amount of memory that Eudora has left unused when it tries to get the mail. If it ever gets close to the end of the bar, then you should increase Eudora's preferred mem setting. Also, the LC had a bug in its serial ports that wouldn't let it handle high speeds. Try forcing your modem to use a lower speed. To my knowlege, this is the only Mac that was ever affected by this. Mike Bikers don't *DO* taglines. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:54:08 -0500 From: J Rahmandar Subject: Eudora Lite S-ERR error msg Recently, my Eudora Lite (v1.5.5) started acting up. I can connect to the ISP with FreePPP just fine, and when I launched Eudora it would attempt to get mail and came back with an S-ERR status saying that my mailserver setup needs to be set to pop.ISProvider.net. Well, I already have it set to pop.ISProvider.net. QUITTING and re-launching Eudora a couple more times usually got it going without any setting changes. Does anyone knows what is causing this problem? This account is accesible via Netscape just fine, albeit slow.... I am using P-Mac 6118, OS 7.5.5, 24MB RAM, 28.8 modem. Will soon upgrade to Eudora Lite 3.1. TIA. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 06:23:24 PDT From: "Randall G. Floyd" Subject: Folder Aliases under the Apple Menu... Hi, I think I've had this problem pre-OS8, but it seems like every time I restart, aliases to folders on drives other than my startup drive don't work properly under the Apple Menu. I can see the folder structure just like it should be (with the hierarchical menus), but when I select a folder or file to open, no matter which one, it opens the System Folder or a folder inside the System Folder. If I drag the alias out of the Apple Menu, wait for the hard drive to settle down again and then drag it back, it works fine until another restart (or maybe a few restarts). Does anyone know what could be causing this problem and how to fix it? TIA, Randall ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 97 23:38:13 MDT From: "Grum Um" Subject: Info-Mac Digest V15 #169 On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:37:24 -0500 (CDT), Chaz Larson wrote: > >At 1:59 AM -0600 8/21/97, Scott A. Gorman wrote: >>> ...I am trying to get all of >>> the information from my old LC III (also a gift from this friend) >>> using Local Talk cables and having NO success! I have ALL the right >>> things turned on--Sharing Setup (file sharing is on), Users & Groups, >>> File Sharing Monitor, Sharing... (under FILE menu), Apple Talk is on, >>> etc... Is it a problem with the computers not being compatible? Am I >>> missing something? Any help would be appreciated! > >There's not a compatibility problem. I've transferred data over Localtalk >between a wide variety of machines including between a PowerCenter 120 and >a Mac Plus. > >However, before we can offer any specific suggestions, we'll need to know >specifically what "having no success" means. Can either machine see the >other in the Chooser? Do you get an error? What is it? etc. > >chazl - 8.22.1997 - chaz@visi.com I have an LC520, which is basically and LCIII, and I also experience problems making a local talk connection to a StarMax 4000/160. Basically the LC slows down to a halt, slowly showing extensions and then entering the finder where it is equally slow. It works, if you want to wait ten minutes to even start a file transfer. About 30 minutes to start up the one computer. The StarMax is unaffected, but when it is switched off, the LC regains normal speed. I have tried every System release that would run on each. My last try was between the LC520 running Sys 7.6 with Open Transport on, and my StarMax running Sys 8.0. Could it be faulty hardware? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 97 12:08:28 -0400 From: Brian Fountain Subject: Info-Mac Digest V15 #177 On 8/21/97 3:32 PM Info-Mac stated this interesting tidbit: >I have had a problem with receiving mail on Eudora Light. Whenever I >have mail to be transferred the application quits. When I then try to >restart Eudora I get a screen freeze that is only overcome by turning >off the mac and then turning it back on. I have an LC with a SupraFax >28.8 Modem. Any suggestions? I don't think my problem has to do with >too much mail as some have suggested to me. >Thanks for any help! Hi, In my experience, this problem is usually caused by Eudora's memory partition being too small. The default memory size needs to be increased as your mail boxes fill up. This also affects the ability to download large attachments. With this type of problem it is also very helpful to give OS version number, software version number, ammount of real RAM, ammount of virtual memory, and other software (ConfigPPP, FreePPP, etc.) running at same time. I believe you must be running at least System 7.1 for Eudora Lite. The last question I have... Do you make your connection first, then start Eudora? Or do you start Eudora and have it initiate a tcp connection? If you do the latter then try the former and see if it helps. Eudora is known to time out fairly quickly. On your system that may have detrimental results. Hope this helps. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:58:01 +0000 From: Jan Weijers Subject: Mac LC II, which version of MacOS ? Peter, >I have an LC II at home, which by current standards is an old machine, of >course. I use an LC II as well, but with 8 MB RAM. I have just 7.5.3 for some time, which worked fine but needed close to 3 MB RAM. Yesterday I installed the 7.5.5. upgrade which increased the systems RAM use by a full 1 MB. Conclusion: if you do not want to invest in extra RAM you should probably not go beyond system 7.1 With My 8 MB I use Netscape 2, Eudora Pro 3.1.1 and Newshopper (Usenet news). These all work fine on 8 MB RAM. I am certain you could still get Eudora to run on a 4MB system, but not the other software. Netscape 3 requires 16 MB RAM so that is out for me. Explorer 3.01 theoretically works on my machine, but I find it extremely unstable. I use MacTCP and FreePPP. I have no experience with OT so I cannot tell you if it will run on a small machine like ours. You can find some information about installing MacTCP and FreePPP on my website http://www.ftech.net/~dutch/mac/ Jan Weijers jan@dutch.ftech.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 97 14:23:00 -0700 From: Don Montalvo Subject: Need update information. Hi, I own Ram Doubler 2.0.1, and I need to know if there is an updater that I need in order for it to work with system 8. I'd also like to know if I could get any kind of speed benefit from Speed Doubler (I have an 040). Thanks for your help. --Don ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:18:05 +1000 From: Jason Haines Subject: OS 8 install At 6:52 AM +1000 23/8/97, Chaz Larson wrote: >Note; this will whack all your prefs, notably your network/PPP settings, >whch might be a pain. I had about 6 accounts set up in OT/PPP that I didn't >want to recreate. Here's how I got around this: > >Before installing OS8, I installed OT 1.2 and OT/PPP 1.0.1 on my System >7.6.1 system, so my network prefs files [ppp, tcp/ip] were already updated >for the versions in OS8 [I do not know if the format differs at all, but >better safe than...] > >After I installed OS8, I bailed out of the "Internet Setup Assistant" and >copied my PPP and TCP/IP prefs from my Zip backup into my new OS8 System >Folder. The way to avoid this every time you upgrade your OS is to save your modem, tcp/ip & ppp configurations to a folder and keep them. Then it's a piece of cake. Jason Haines mailto:matreya@tig.com.au IRC: matreya #macintosh/oz.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:18:09 +1000 From: Jason Haines Subject: os 8 problem At 6:52 AM +1000 23/8/97, Chaz Larson wrote: >At 8:20 AM -0500 8/21/97, Lee wrote: >> my son has problem with OS8 corrupting btree of his drive volumes. >> what is happening? > >Sure sounds to me like the hard disk drivers are not compatible with OS8. > >Upgrade to the latest version of whatever driver you're using, and that >should take care of it. Also make sure that if you're using Norton's to repair disks that you have at least version 3.5.1. Jason Haines mailto:matreya@tig.com.au IRC: matreya #macintosh/oz.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:30:58 -0400 From: Roy & Anne Subject: Performa 6400 HD >Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:30:51 +0200 >From: John Williams >Subject: Apple ! Honour your guarantee for the 6400 CD-ROM bug >Ther are network problems (in our case with Ethernet) and you cannot >re-install the system completely from the CD-ROM. John, if you're talking about the Performa 6400 (I'm a pc person, my wife is the mac lady) there may be a problem with your hard drive. After we had our Performa 6400 for two months, (it was a refurbished unit with 90-day warranty), we started having problems which quickly escalated into the hard drive not showing up on the desktop. I ran APS powertools diagnostics and got several bad blocks reported, which, when printed out, amounted to three and a half columns in 9-point font of bad blocks. Previous to my running this diagnostic, the system was sent to the authorized Apple repair place, Computer City (UGH!), for the same reason. The first time I think they simply initialized the drive and said it was fixed. When I took it back with the APS report, they changed the drive and the logic board. I got it back last Saturday and when I started it up I got a Control Panel error which I could only get rid of by re-initializing the hard drive and reinstalling from the CD. It's been two days now and so far everything seems to be working. It gets fairly heavy duty use. BTW, the performa 6400 uses a Western Digital IDE drive. I have not had trouble reinstalling from the CD at any time, so you might want to check your hard drive for bad blocks. And make sure you have a utility that can handle IDE drives. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:31:49 -0500 From: Greg Jewett Subject: PERSONAL: Looking for lost bag... ** I apologize for the wide distribution, possible irking some ** since it is not related to list topics, or cross-posting ** if you are on more than one list. To: Anyone who had gone to MacWorld Anyone who knows vendors who were at MacWorld Vendors at MacWorld Bayside Expo Center Staff, Volunteers, User Groups, etc.. From: Greg Jewett, owner of the lost bag of really important stuff. Folks.. This is my very last attempt/ditch effort to locate a bag that was lost when I was at MacWorld this month. The event happened on Friday, August 8th, the last day of the show, when I set the bag down next to a vendor's podium for a moment to watch a demo, only to look back 5 minutes later to not find it in same location I left it. I immediately filed a claim with the security desk and left a description. They have not found it yet. The bag is black, has a flap with two buckles. The inside portion has a zippered top. The flap has "MacWorld Boston" and "APS" embroidered with red and yellow letters on it. There is a note pad binder in the bag that has my old "Apple Computer" business card stuck in the business card window. The bag contained some personal items, a Zip Drive, 4 Zip Disks, and a 35mm Camera. I would love to find the bag, and get the camera and Zip drive back. I am asking anyone and everyone who might be able to forward this message to any friends or acquaintances, or associations with vendors that might have seen it. I suspecting someone picked up the bag by mistake, or it was moved and then packed up with a vendor's booth equipment, or worse, I would hate to think a fellow Mac user stole it. If you find it, please call me via my pager at (800) 478-4034, or write me personally at jewettg@ILSweb.net. Any help would be immensely appreciated, and thrown in is a thank you reward of $50 is in it if someone is able to find it, and have it returned to me. Gregory Jewett ** Gregory Jewett jewettg@ILSweb.net ** Personal Web Site: http://www.ilsweb.net/jewettg/ "Next week there can't be any crisis. My schedule is already full." - Henry Kissinger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:51:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Bloom Subject: PM 6.5 Printer Help (?) Leslye was printing some rather thick stock from PageMaker 6.5 at noon to our new LW 12/640 and couldn't get it to print to the face-up output tray, so the stock came out a bit curly. It didn't help that she had told PM to use the PPD for our old LW IIf, but it didn't much help when I fixed that problem. Nothing we found in the PM print dialog allowed selection of the f-u output tray. I snooped the Adobe site and found only a 6.5.2 bug fix updater. I missed PPD's completely (I was distracted by the day job), so I don't know if PM is using the wrong PPD (Everything *else* is fine) or if it can't interpret what it sees or if we've done something terribly stupid and deserve to die. Basic info: PM7300, Sys 7.6.1, usual large complement of third party CP's and extensions. Nuthin special. Do any of y'all have suggestions? Al ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:59:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Antaeus Feldspar Subject: Speech the next paradigm? Don't think so... Not all bold new frontiers lead places that are actually worth going. There's a big difference between the stuff that actually sounds exciting and the stuff that actually represents the future. I am willing to bet that if speech-recognition ever really becomes the main mode of operating a computer, it will be more than a century from now. It's certainly not going to be a threat to GUIs for several decades. Why? Because computers aren't people, and people aren't computers. Obvious as that may seem, many bad decisions have been founded on the non-understanding of that distinction. Computers are precise. That's what they specialize in. There is really no reason for them to trade their current interface, which allows them to get precise input, for the imprecise interface of speech. I've seen this before. Where? HyperTalk, anyone? The idea sounded good, even sounded revolutionary: a scripting language that resembled English as closely as possible. Great idea, hunh? It didn't work so well, as most HyperCarders will attest, because for everything you could want to do, there are probably at least eight ways to say it, and only four of them would be legal ways to express it in HyperTalk. It was much harder to remember which four were the acceptable ways than it would have been to remember one arbitrary way. If there's one thing HyperTalk proved to me, it's that sometimes flexibility is the last thing you want. As anyone who's tried pushing a rope can tell you. (Or as the bishop said to the actress... =) If I had Steve Jobs' ear for five minutes, I'd tell him: good position on Java, bad position on the clone manufacturers, and when can we get HFS Plus so that an alias doesn't take up 16K on my hard drive? Wouldn't push the speech thing. =) ! -jc IS feldspar@netcom.com ! ! "'Asa Nisi Masa!' How strange! But what does it mean?" ! ! *** Fight spam! Sign up at http://www.cauce.org/ ! *** ! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:04:03 -0700 From: Chris Schram Subject: SuperBoomerang for OS 8? On Fri, 22 Aug 1997, Jamie Dananberg wrote: >I know that sounds petty, but I really use and depend on >SuperBoomerang (part of >Now Utilities). I've actually resisted upgrading to OS 8 since Now >Software has >said that SB is not compatible with OS8 and that users should do so only at >their own risk. > >Are they just doing a CYA or are there other successful alternative to SB? I've had OS8 running for about a week. Last night I realized how much I missed Super Boomerang. (That and Now Scrapbook were the ONLY component of Now Utilities I had been using before the upgrade.) Today I installed SB just to see what would happen. Nothing crashed, but now my Startup Items refused to run. My first pass at a conflict test pointed out a conflict with Mad ppatter!, with more possible conflicts down the road... At that point, I decided to trust the "experts" and wait 'til they fix SB. Chris Schram -- schram@mail.coos.or.us -- http://www.coos.or.us/~schram ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:41:38 -0600 From: Graeme Forbes Subject: SuperBoomerang for OS8 Until Now upgrades its Utilities to OS* (if it ever does) you should try the shareware Default Folder, which you can get from the archives. Graeme Forbes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:18:29 +1000 From: Jason Haines Subject: Using TCP/IP & PPP on an SE with 6.0.7 Can anyone point me in the right direction to setup TCP/IP and PPP on an SE w/ 4MB RAM running 6.0.7? I have a friend who wants to use his SE for email. Is there an email client that runs under 6.0.7 with only 4MB of RAM? Jason Haines mailto:matreya@tig.com.au IRC: matreya #macintosh/oz.org -------------------------------- --Info-Mac-Digest-- End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************