Subject: Info-Mac Digest V16 #208 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Info-Mac-Digest" --Info-Mac-Digest Info-Mac Digest Mon, 16 Nov 98 Volume 16 : Issue 208 Today's Topics: flashcards for studing foreign language (A) apparant virus was only an INIT conflict (Q) Netscape: Open as new web page option with system 8.5 (Q) PB 3400 upgrades (Q) PM6100/DOS Problem (Q) Virus and Virex upgrades (Q)a good AV drive for PowerMacs? (Q)Registering QuickTime Pro with MacOS 8.5 [A] CD app - how to increase memory size [A] PowerComputing with OS 8.1 & 8.5 [Q] G3/266 and SCSI devices [Q]Modemless G3 Powerbook [Q]modemless PowerBook AppleScript question... Can't print \not = on Epson 600 using Textures Can't tap-and-drag on PB trackpad Can't Trash Hell Folder Can't Trash Hell Folder Claris 4.0v5 clarisworks translator for word pc ? help clarisworks translator for word pc ? help (R) Connecting Windoze to an Ethertalk Network? flashcards for studing foreign language Fwd: RE: Can't Trash Hell Folder - Summary of Replies How to View TidBits Files? How to View TidBits Files? -> Follow Up HTML Viewing ? Info-Mac Digest V16 #203 Internet Phone 3.5 and a PowerMac 6500/225 keeping file sharing active on G3 pbk/266 MORE MacTCP invisible monitor problems optimizing color proformance on a 1400c with 8.5 OT/PPP modem scripts PB5300 screen is too bright PowerComputing with OS 8.1 & 8.5 PowerComputing with OS 8.1 & 8.5 PowerComputing with OS 8.1 & 8.5 Print to Postscript file PrintMonitor default memory allocation of any use? Simple page layout program? System Crashed TCP/IP: Internet Setup Assistant generates broken TCP/IP Word-Perfetto ;-) Zip Plus FREEZING SCSI chain IOMEGA WILL REPLACE ZIP PLUS The Info-Mac Network is a volunteer organization that publishes the Info-Mac Digest and operates the Info-Mac Archive, a large network of FTP sites containing gigabytes of freely distributable Macintosh software. Email Addresses and Instructions: * To submit articles to the digest, email . * To subscribe, send email to with subscribe in the Subject line. * To unsubscribe, send email to with unsubscribe in the Subject line. * To change your address, unsubscribe from the old address, then subscribe from the new address. If that fails, try using the list maintenance form at before contacting us. * Please send administrative queries to . * To submit files for the archive, email the binhexed file with a description to . Submissions must be made by the author or with permission of the author. 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We'd also like to thank AOL for the main Info-Mac machine. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --Info-Mac-Digest Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Info-Mac Digest V16 #208" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 19:19:44 -0800 From: Daly Jessup Subject: flashcards for studing foreign language Dr. Peter Stoyanov asked: >Could you advise me on a good shareware/freeware/comercial program for >making (on-screen or printed) flashcards for learning foreign language (I'm >learning german right now but that doesn't matter). The ability to enter my >own new words would be nice. > >anyway, if someone have ever used such kind of program, please share >experiance. I like and use a small program called "MemorizeIt!" that I bought from the author at a computer show. The address is: Side Eight Software P.O. Box 5004 Garden Grove, CA 92645-5004 phone: 714-952-4114 fax: 714-995-6725 or at least it was when I bought it a few years ago. It lets you easily make your own cards, and decorate them if you wish, format them, import graphics and sounds for the cards, reverse the cards so "front" is "back" (for practicing answers as questions), it shuffles the cards into a different order, it can keep track of your performance and test you on the cards you miss more often, and so on. I think it's perfect for the purpose. My daughter uses it often for spelling, history, language, and other tests involving memorization. Daly ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 08:54:06 -0500 From: "abrody" Subject: (A) apparant virus was only an INIT conflict Dear Digest readers, I had reported in a previous post that my Microsoft Excel 5.0 was making some cells boldface while others were normal after hitting the command-S to save my spreadsheet. Today I found the same was happening to some but not all words within my WriteNow document after hitting command-S. Printing out the document revealed no boldface words, so it appeared to be appearance manager or QuickDraw related. I upgraded to the latest FinderPop, version 1.7.5, and the problem looks like it went away. Looks like the earlier version 1.7.2 didn't talk to the appearance manager correctly. Hopefully that is all it was. Sincerely, abrody@smart.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 21:58:44 -0800 From: "David L. Hirschberg" Subject: (Q) Netscape: Open as new web page option with system 8.5 With System 8.1 and Netscape 4.0.6 & 4.5 you could open up a URL in a new window (as well as some other useful options) by holding down the option key when clicking on the URL with the mouse. The option seems to have disappeared when I upgraded our macs (1400c & G3) to 8.5. Is this a 'feature' of 8.5 or a bug in netscape? Sincerely, David daneel@stanford.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 02:48:04 -0800 From: Julius Friede Subject: (Q) PB 3400 upgrades Has any of you folks upgraded a 3400 to a "3500" by AllMac? They do a logic board swap. Is the upgrade reliable and compatible with existing (especially OS) software? Any experience with their desktop upgrades? TIA, Julius Friede ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 13:53:01 -1000 From: Jerry Levinson Subject: (Q) PM6100/DOS Problem I just received a PowerMac 6100 DOS compatible (486 card inside) and I'd like to get in on my network (Ethernet) using TCP/IP. I dl'd the lates DOS compatibility software from Apple (version 1.6.4 and seem to have everything installed correctly, but I can't make a connection via TCP. I get various error messages, so I'd like to start working this out with a few basic questions. Q1: Apple says the card works with System 7.5.3, I have 7.6.1, am I OK or do I need to degrade to 7.5.3? I have DOS and Windows 3.1 installed and they seem to be working fine (well, fine for Windows anyway). Q2: I know that to use TCP/IP on the "other" side, I need to switch the Mac to AppleTalk since I can't have both sides using TCP at the same time. So, can I do this using just the AppleTalk control panel, just the TCP/IP control panel, or do I need to use both? Q3: sometimes I can't switch back from Windows to the Mac side, usually I can, but just sometimes...ideas? Thanks, Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 20:57:55 -0500 From: "abrody" Subject: (Q) Virus and Virex upgrades Dear Digest readers, Have the top three Mac virus detection utility programs merged? I went to Virex's home page at Dr. Solomon and they say to download the beta version of Virex from McAfee's web site http://beta.mcafee.com/virex/download.html#virex So is now Datawatch part of Dr. Solomon, Part of McAfee, Part of Network Associates? Then how come does Network Associate's web page show version 3.0 of its Viruscan, where it is linked up to McAfee's listing of Virex? I am totally confused. Also the beta version 5.9 available from that page was released last July. I thought I remember reading in the Digest someone has gotten a release version newer than August. But it isn't available at PC/MacConnection, MacZone, or MacWareHouse so I wonder where they got it. I have what appears to be a virus with Microsoft Excel 5.0. I save my file using command-S, while I am in the lower frame of a split frame spreadsheet, and the upper frame goes boldface. What could be causing this? How do I stop it? Don't tell me to upgrade to Excel 98, as I can't afford it. Thank you. Sincerely, abrody@smart.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:14:28 -0800 From: prosoul@dimensionarc.com Subject: (Q)a good AV drive for PowerMacs? I am wondering what PowerMac users that do AV work, such as audio and video recording and playback, on this list use? I have a PowerMac 7300/200 and want to add another 2/4 gig internal drive on the scsi2 chain. I don't want any UW scsi options or anything. thanks, Jarome Matthew Dimension Arc Media http://www.dimensionarc.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:41:00 -0500 From: abrody@smart.net Subject: (Q)Registering QuickTime Pro with MacOS 8.5 Dear Digest readers, I don't have time for this nonsense. Either Apple allows one to register the QuickTime Pro on the MacOS 8.5 or it doesn't. I don't want to go to a web page to register it, as that is too insecure. I tried calling the Apple Support Card number and all I get is an endless computerized phone system jungle, and if I do get through to the support line, I am on hold for longer than 15 minutes, at which point I hang up. My time is precious. So who do I write to get a registration code? I am not interesting in putting my name on a mailing list either. Is there an 800 number to get the code, and register my MacOS 8.5 software without waiting on hold? Apple needs to be more sensitive to the limited time of its consumers. Thank you. Sincerely, abrody@smart.net ------------------- Check out my index of over 500 internet sites updated monthly at: http://www.ameritel.net/lusers/abrody ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:59:39 +0200 From: Matti Haveri Subject: [A] CD app - how to increase memory size Recently I asked: >Is there any way to increase an app's memory size when it is run from a >locked volume like CD? ...and here is the correct answer. Thanks again, Alun! >What you need is AppSizer, which lets you set an application's memory >partition size when you launch it -- I've used it in the past for >applications running off write-protected network servers. > > -- Matti Haveri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 14:32:51 -0700 From: Dennis Helsel Subject: [A] PowerComputing with OS 8.1 & 8.5 I've used OS 8.1 on my PowerCenter 150 MT for some time now. Works flawlessly. I then upgraded with a G3 card and all still runs fine. Have no info on 8.5, but I expect it will work with no problems as well. The internal chip is the same as Apple's machines. Rumors I've heard are that OS X will detect clones and not work with them, but until then I think we're both fine. I believe the "we make no guarantee" claim is for legal reasons, ie "your mileage may vary". >Fellow info-Mac readers> > >Has anyone got a PowerComputing machine with systems 8.1 or 8.5 running? >I've heard mixed and confusing reports of how this clone handles the new >systems. In MacUser (UK) an important Apple employee was quoted as saying >"We make no guarantee the Mac OS 8.5 will work on a Mac clone." Hmmm, >great! Particularly frustrating and worrying as 8.5 is being reviewed as a >'must-have' upgrade. I have a PowerCentre minitower 150 that is still good >for me and at the time I bought it was better than any machine Apple had to >offer. I intend buying an external HD to try out the new systems before I >commit to either, but I would like to hear others' experience. > >Thanks, >> Ezra ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 22:52:56 -0500 From: Sabaki Subject: [Q] G3/266 and SCSI devices Hello Mac fans, I want to buy a Powermac G3/266, but I have some older SCIS devices (between 7 and 3 years old) that I would like to hook up. Is that possible? If so, do I need SCSI controller card that plugs into a PCI slot or are there other solutions? Most important is that I can use my Panasonic LF-1000 MO drive which has a funny narrow SCSI plug. Will that be a problem? Can I hook up a modem and printer simultaneously to the G3/266, as well? Thanks in advance for all your help, Sabaki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:47:14 +0100 From: Bela FARAGO - ILL - Grenoble Subject: [Q]Modemless G3 Powerbook I would need an expert oppinion please! I was 90% lucky because I could buy a G3 powerbook. The remaining 10% is that I work in France but I hate the french keyboard. So I odered a PowerBook with the US keyboard and US system. The catalog configuration includes a modem in the Mac, but Apple France for meaningless regulation reasons can not deliver an US modem (which of course is identical to the one in the frenchy version but did not go through the paperwork) So I knew I will end up with a modemless Mac. (.... nota bene the price was the same...) but I thought I can buy later the modem and re-install it. Now comes the catch22. Our local apple dealer states that it is not possible to add an original modem! The hole is there on side of the mac. I know that I could go for a PCMCIA modem card but I would hate to lose any expansion slot when the place is there for a built in modem. The question is : Is it really impossible to reinstall an original modem in a PowerBook? How do than they repaire it when an existing one breaks down? Does anybody have any experience in changing/installing a modem? After all it must exist as a spare part? Or is it really soldered on the motherboard or somthing like that? regards for all Bela (farago@ill.fr) _/ _/ _/ Bela Farago "Hi-Yo c'est l'echo" _/ _/ _/ mailto:farago@ill.fr _/ _/ _/ Institut Laue-Langevin _/ _/ _/ BP:156, 38042 Grenoble Cedex 9, France _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ tel:(33)(0)4.76.20.73.47 fax:(33)(0)4.76.48.39.06 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 17:29:31 +0100 From: farago@ill.fr (B. Farago) Subject: [Q]modemless PowerBook I would need an expert oppinion please! I was 90% lucky because I could buy a G3 powerbook. The remaining 10% is that I work in France but I hate the french keyboard. So I odered a PowerBook with the US keyboard and US system. The catalog configuration includes a modem in the Mac, but Apple France for meaningless regulation reasons can not deliver an US modem (which of course is identical to the one in the frenchy version but did not go through the paperwork) So I knew I will end up with a modemless Mac. (.... nota bene the price was the same...) but I thought I can buy later the modem and re-install it. Now comes the catch22. Our local apple dealer states that it is not possible to add an original modem! The hole is there on side of the mac. I know that I could go for a PCMCIA modem card but I would hate to lose any expansion slot when the place is there for a built in modem. The question is : Is it really impossible to reinstall an original modem in a PowerBook? How do than they repaire it when an existing one breaks down? Does anybody have any experience in changing/installing a modem? After all it must exist as a spare part? Or is it really soldered on the motherboard or somthing like that? regards for all Bela (farago@ill.fr) -- _/ _/ _/ Bela Farago "Hi-Yo c'est l'echo" _/ _/ _/ email:farago@ill.fr _/ _/ _/ Institut Laue-Langevin _/ _/ _/ BP:156, 38042 Grenoble Cedex 9, France _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ tel:(33)(0)4.76.20.73.47 fax:(33)(0)4.76.48.39.06 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 98 07:33:38 -0500 From: Mark Fiske Subject: AppleScript question... Howdy, folks: I am writing to ask if there is ANY way to get an AppleScript to run after ANY application quits. Your help on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Mark Fiske Fake-8 Technologies. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 22:00:24 -0500 From: belotto@vassar.edu (Benjamin Lotto) Subject: Can't print \not = on Epson 600 using Textures (A copy of this message has also been posted to the following newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.printing, comp.text.tex,comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.periphs.printers) I recently bought an Epson 600 printer for my PowerBook G3. I use Textures all the time. When I printed a document, the "not-equals" (\ne or \not =) prints out as an equals sign. A few experiments tells me that the only \not that prints out is \not\in; anything else prints out without the diagonal slash. OS 8.1 Textures 1.8 CM/PS screen fonts and Postscript fonts downloaded from the AMS Any suggestions? Thanks in advance, -Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin Lotto * Department of Mathematics * e-mail: belotto@vassar.edu Vassar College, Box 349 * phone: 914-437-7180 124 Raymond Avenue * fax: 914-437-7065 Poughkeepsie, NY 12604-0349 * ------------------------------------------------------------------- WWW: ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 05:30:42 PST From: "Randall G. Floyd" Subject: Can't tap-and-drag on PB trackpad At 9:49 PM -0500 10/31/98, D. Scott Beach wrote: >>I own a PowerBook 190, which is equipped with a trackpad....tapping >>twice on the pad with >>your finger, which is the equivalent of clicking-and-holding the >>trackpad button, but far less cumbersome. >> >>I recently received a 100 mh PowerBook 5300 at work. This machine also >>has a trackpad. But double-tapping on the pad does nothing. The >>trackpad control panel (System 7.5.2) does not contain the third pane >>which on my 190 allows me to activate double-tapping. However, a >>clean-install of System 7.5.5 made no difference--the control panel is >>still two-paned. My 190 trackpad double-tapped A-OK under 7.5.2, 7.5.5, >>8.0 and currently, 8.1, and the trackpad control panel always showed all >>three panes regardless of the system software I was using. Any ideas? >>Could it be that this series of 5300 just doesn't support >>double-tapping? Or could it be a malfunction of the trackpad? Thanks. > >Jeff: >I didn't know the 190 could do that! That's never been the standard on Mac >PBs. The track-pads first appeared ion the 500 series and then the 5300. >They definitely weren't designed with that ability. The 1400 and newer I've >never tested but that's the sort of thing that I would have thought would >have been bragged about. PeeCee laptops that used the track-pad were able >to do that ages ago but not Macs. I'm sure there was good reason for that - >probably something like why we have one-button mice. >- Scott > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >D. Scott Beach, sbeach@front.net > >A rabid Mac dude in Toronto. Jeff, >From the Tech Info Library (found with Sherlock, BTW): 21) Question: What are the differences in the trackpads that come on the different PowerPC PowerBook computers? Answer: The PowerBook 2300 and 190 series computers come with a "clickable" trackpad. With this kind of trackpad you can use the pad itself to click, double click, and drag, therefore never having to use the clicker. Because the PowerBook 5300 series computers were designed and implemented at an earlier date, they do not have the features of the clickable trackpad. And I also found this at : Scott Travis reports that PowerBook 5300 owners can upgrade to a clickable trackpad (like the one in the 190 and 2300) by ordering the following parts: 661-1032 Track Pad $49.50 dealer cost 922-1916 Cable, Flex, Trackpad $13.50 dealer cost The software automatically recognizes it. The entry was dated Monday May 20, 1996, so good luck. Randall ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:58:30 -0700 From: "Martin S. Zibulsky" Subject: Can't Trash Hell Folder >Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 23:38:49 -0800 >From: andy jukes >Subject: Can't Trash Hell Folder - Summary of Replies > >In Digest #200, I posted a question about an old Preferences folder from a >de-installed system that I couldn't trash. At least 10 of you wrote to me >immediately, and more replies are still pouring in - what a helpful bunch >of people. Has anyone suggested that you trash the finder preferences file in the system preference folder and reboot? Finder will make a new preferences file when your desktop appears, then empty the trash. Then try trashing the folder you couldn't. Finder preferences get corrupted and odd things happen, like generic icons, maybe the trash hell folder. Give it a try. Another thing is that you could download and use is MicroMat's freeware TechTool 1.1.7 (the latest version, prior to OS 8.5), to delete your desktop entirely. This makes finder build a totally new one. Then you'd probably be able to trash and empty that hell folder. Other features are built into TechTool, like having it zap the pram, saving the info first, then being able to restore the settings, so you don't have to spend much time in control panels, resetting the map which is important to your communications software use, time & date, windows scroll bar and selection highlight colors, turn off the trash dialog, and one or two others I may have missed. TechTool also gives complete reading of everything about the Mac it's installed on, or a floppy version of it is inserted into, including date manufactures, how much time it has been run and other stuff. Great for checking out pre-owned Macs you may be considering purchasing. I started with TechTool freeware, but moved on to the full featured TechTool Pro 1, then 2.0 (2.0.4 is the latest). I Also use a Norton DD start up floppy I made, for problem occasions. Though I occasionally run TechTool Pro for extensive checks, I find Norton DD convenient to quickly find & fix problems & run it again until "no problems found" shows. At one time Norton Utilities would also delete the desktop entirely and then rebuild a new one. Accessible from it's top menu bar. I use TTP to check desktop integrity and the rebuilds, so I haven't checked to see if that still exists in NU 3.5.3, but will soon. No, I don't work for MicroMat. Just found Techtool in all it's versions to be a nifty utility to have on hand to help resolve various problems on the fly. A totally new desktop rebuild often resolves other odd problems you may be having, besides the untrashable folder. BTW: The new version Conflict Catcher 8 also includes total desktop rebuild capabilities. Regards, Martin Zibulsky _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ superush@amug.org "Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things that I can, and the wisdom to know the difference." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:50:59 -0500 From: Vincent Cayenne Subject: Can't Trash Hell Folder At 11:38 PM -0800 on 10/30/98, andy jukes wrote: > an old Preferences folder from a > de-installed system that I couldn't trash And here's another suggestion: Use Apple's Disk First Aid to repair the disk - you may get 'leaf node' problems or 'directory valence' errors. Immediately after the repair, try to trash the folder. I got it with a PWB1400/8.1/HFS+. --------- "Crumpled bits of paper filled with imperfect thoughts" (Rutherford/Robertson) Vincent Cayenne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 18:12:48 +0100 From: LoboMac@.peter@plalp.freeserve.co.uk (Peter Grundy) Subject: Claris 4.0v5 In article <71l54i$moa$1@grapevine.lcs.mit.edu>, moderator@info-mac.org (The Info-Mac Moderators) wrote: >Can anyone help me with a simple problem? I want to change the default font >in >the Claris 4.0v5 word processor but can't find the key. Macworld had a >short >bit on a workaround but my aged brain forgot that. Email me at >cudjoeguy@prodigy.net.Thank you. _________________________ Reply Separator_________________________ To change the default font and page setup in ClarisWorks merely make a page the way you want with the font and margins then save the file as stationary with the name ClarisWorks WP Options. It must be exactly that name to work. To change settings for the other modules substitute initials DR, PT, DB for the WP in the name. The old settings can be found at the very bottom of the new document choices menu. _________________________ Reply Separator_________________________ * This message was scribbled by Lobo: tae reply rub oot >LoboMac@.< * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 15:01:16 +0100 From: bromo@flashnet.it (Vittorio Barabino) Subject: clarisworks translator for word pc ? help > > Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:28:09 +0100 > From: Lionel OSTROWSKI > Subject: clarisworks translator for word pc ? help > > Hello :-) > > I need send 200 old ClarisWorks text files (CW2 and CW4) to a pc user which > use word97.. > > what is the convenientest way doing that ? > > - a pc version of clarisworks ? > - a clarisworks translator for word ? > > Many thanks for help :-))) The MacLinkPlus 9.0 budled with MacOS 8 or 7.6 will convert them all as a batch (don't try to do them all at once, but - say- 20 by 20). The one little problem is that any file named, say, "Pippo" creates a converted file called "Pippo (converted)"... "(" and ")" are allowed in dos, but this may be annoying... -- Ciao, \+----------+ "La risposta e' dentro di te... Vittorio --| : ) o | ...MA E' SBAGLIATA!!!" /+----------+ Enciclopedia d.Fantascienza: http://www.fantascienza.com/edf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 20:52:22 +0000 From: Christian F Buser Subject: clarisworks translator for word pc ? help (R) Lionel OSTROWSKI wrote: > I need send 200 old ClarisWorks text files (CW2 and CW4) to a pc user which > use word97.. > > what is the convenientest way doing that ? Use MacLink Plus. It has a converter for Word97 (at least, my version 9.7 has). Just create a document-converter file and drag-drop all files you need to have converted. MacLink Plus comes with system software since about OS version 7.5 or so. Best wishes, Christian. -- Christian F. Buser - phone (+41-56) 491 0877 Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) Look at ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 15:58:22 -0500 From: Peter Jones Subject: Connecting Windoze to an Ethertalk Network? Folks, at the risk of becoming flame-bait, would appreciate thoughts on connecting a Windoze laptop to an Ethertalk network. Situation: Wonderful Wife (WW) "inherited" an IBM Thinkpad 720 which she uses to maintain membership databases for her lacemakers' group. T'pad is running Win 3.11 on a 486 platform. WW maintains a membership roster in Excel. Desktop work is done on a Umax J700/180, but the Stinkpad allows her to take the roster to meetings, update information on the fly, and keep the membership database current. WW likes this layout, except she is sneakernetting files via floppy between the Stinkpad and the J700 at this point. This has two drawbacks: (1) floppies can be unreliable, and (2) she has no direct access to our Personal LaserWriter NT to print files. Our in-house Mac network runs on 10BT Ethernet (Ethertalk). Only the * zone. 5-port hub has a spare port. I'd like to put the Stinkpad on the Ethernet to make her life easier. So these questions: (1) Looks like Personal MacLAN Connect is the tool to make the laptop talk Ethertalk. Any experience? Work as advertised? (2) Anyone used a Thinkpad on an Ethertalk network? Lessons learned? (3) Anyone used Win 3.11 on Ethertalk? (4) Recommendations for low[er]-priced PCMCIA cards for this setup? (Don't need a modem, just the NIC.) (5) Other ideas? Thanks again for thoughts and considered responses. Before you say, "buy a Powerbook," I'd mention that there is no better way to make sure the ones you love keep buying Macs than have them use a Windoze PC now and then. Peter Jones pejones@pop.dn.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 09:32:01 +0000 From: Huw Rowley Subject: flashcards for studing foreign language The only flashcard software I know of is a commercial program called Multimedia Flashcards Series which sells in UK for around GBP22 - I've played with putting my own together to teach my children Welsh and =46rench, using the wonderful Teach! software. But I too would love to hear of any good programs that anyone has used and found worthwhile Best wishes Huw =AA Creative Director =AA Lunatic Productions =AA Dorney, UK ---------------------------- Dr. Peter Stoyanov asked: >> Could you advise me on a good shareware/freeware/comercial program for >> making (on-screen or printed) flashcards for learning foreign language (I'm >> learning german right now but that doesn't matter). The ability to enter my >> own new words would be nice. >>=20 >> anyway, if someone have ever used such kind of program, please share >> experiance. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 10:58:46 -0500 From: Tristan Subject: Fwd: RE: Can't Trash Hell Folder - Summary of Replies Hello Andy, thank you for summarying those suggestions you got from info-mac. I use a powerbook 2400c with 1.3 gig IDE drive. I had this exact problem during the six months use of HFS+ format early this year. Exactly! I copied the preference folder from an old system folder, and after moving all the necessary files, the folder couldn't be delete, error -127. I also tried a lot of methods you mentioned but without any luck. At that time, March to August, there is still no reliable tools to fix HFS+ format, and new TechTool Pro 2.0 something couldn't detect any problem on this partition. I knew I had a problem with this HFS+ partition, but otherwise the machine works fine. After a long wait for a new tool, a fetal crash occurred when I tried to fix the HFS+ using MacMedic. MacMedic couldn't finish the fixing, then TechTool also freezed. I even tried Norton Utilities 4.0 beta, but things got even worse, I lost all files in the whole drive, including both HFS+ and HFS! The drive becomes unmountable and a technical call led me to convince that the master directory/block of the HD is damaged. That was the same day when the shareware Data-rescue 2.02 was posted, but it also didn't help. I have to sent my powerbook out for data recovery which cost me a fortune, but still failed to recover most files in HFS+! This is the biggest disaster I have ever had since I shifted to Mac in 1990. The lesson: I still don't know what's wrong with the HFS+ partition, but seems that the old preference folder must be lethal. Second, even though I have Norton utilities 4.01, I am still frightened to use HFS+. Third, I was again reminded to backup my files EVERYDAY, sadly it came from a big lost! I really wish you can solve this mystery. But even you can't, or before you try anything, backup whatever you think is important. If I were in your position now, the best thing to do is to reinitialize the HD and start over. It's really not worth to lose your data. I hope you can post the results of your trials and I thank you for sharing theses results with us. Tristan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 98 23:06:26 -0500 From: ir000178 Subject: How to View TidBits Files? I got Easy-View 2.62 and put the Digests in the Digests folder. All I see is the introductory information: none of the posts are displayed, nor is there an index of them in the menu. Doesn't look like they are in the "setext" format anymore. I must be missing something simple. > From: Gib Henry > Incidentally, Easy View is a terrific way to view Info-Mac Digests, > too. Put the digests into the folder with the Info-Mac template and > open the template. > > The setext documents don't require any special naming convention; they > just must be plain text documents formatted according to setext > standards (TidBITS and Info-Mac digests are, together with most other > listserv digests). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 98 23:28:55 -0500 From: ir000178 Subject: How to View TidBits Files? -> Follow Up The ones posted on Usenet seem to be formated correctly and display in easy-view correctly, but the email versions seem to have the "setext" characters stripped. I am using Claris EMailer. I can't imagine it is stripping the characters?? >I got Easy-View 2.62 and put the Digests in the Digests folder. All I see is the > introductory information: none of the posts are displayed, nor is there an index of > them in the menu. Doesn't look like they are in the "setext" format anymore. > I must be missing something simple. > From: Gib Henry > Incidentally, Easy View is a terrific way to view Info-Mac Digests, > too. Put the digests into the folder with the Info-Mac template and > open the template. > > The setext documents don't require any special naming convention; they > just must be plain text documents formatted according to setext > standards (TidBITS and Info-Mac digests are, together with most other > listserv digests). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:07:58 +0000 From: Jon Sinigaglia Subject: HTML Viewing ? I have an app called HTMLViewer v.1.4 that was written by Sassafrass software but is no longer developed. Does anyone know of something similar that is just a simple application which will read HTML files without the need for document conversion, redrawing or opening-up a full browser ? The beauty of HTMLViewer is that it is small and lightweight (unlike browsers....) Thanx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 18:22:16 +0100 From: Patrik Montgomery Subject: Info-Mac Digest V16 #203 On 98-11-02 21.37, Info-Mac used quantum mechanics and the General Theory of Relativity to draw the conclusion that: >I recently read on the MacAddict web site that it is possible, using >MacsBug, to trick the installer of an OS into thinking that it is >installing on a "qualified" machine. The example I seem to remember had >the individual successfully installing OS 8.5 on his Performa 475 >(although he DID have the PPC upgrade card). > >Does ANYONE know if this might be implemented to install OS 8.o or even >8.1 on an '030 Mac? If these OSs work on '040 machines, then they SHOULD >also work on the '030s... No. Code written for the '030 will work on the '040, but necessarily the other way around. The OS uses optimized assembler code for tasks that have to be fast, and those things don't necessarily work. That is not the big problem, however. The big problem is that a computer is so much more than just a processor. The main problem here (and the reason OS X will not officially support 604-based machines) is the memory controller. It must be addressed directly occasionally, and many '030 motherboards use old memory controllers that are not supported in newer OSes. 8.1 is a long stretch even for '040s - many functions are limited, like HFS+ and the contextual menus. It simply cannot be done with any hint of stability. Patrik Montgomery // patrik@chestud.chalmers.se patrik.montgomery@mbox200.swipnet.se "I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather, not screaming in panic, like his passangers" -- Anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:18:13 -0400 From: Laurence Hawkins Subject: Internet Phone 3.5 and a PowerMac 6500/225 Does anyone know whether VocalTec's Internet Phone v.3.5 can work witk a PowerMac 6500/225? VocalTec say the Performa 6000 series are not suitable, but will not be more specific. If the 6500/225 is not suitable, is this because of the accursed internal Apple Express Modem? If so, can one overcome the problem by pulling the "Express" and using a conventional external modem? I know VocalTec should provide the answer, but their support is automated and cannot answer a specific question. Laurence Hawkins ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 19:54:40 -0500 From: "Jim (James G) Hardwick CPA" Subject: keeping file sharing active on G3 pbk/266 MORE 981102 I tried turning off Apple menu items (items recently used portion), without success. And I clocked the file sharing total startup time at about half an hour!! This is killing my efforts to keep things synchd betw my macs, always essential when you have a portable. To clarify, I don't seem to have a problem with crashes (at least not that I can connect with file sharing), et al. Running OS 8.1 that came with the pbk. 192 megs memory (1st time I have maxed memory since putting 640K on my old PC, and this one cost less). jh Thanks to Sam & others who may help, in advance! jh ----- 981030 My new pbk is showing an aggravating problem. Every time I bring it out of sleep & connect it to our ethernet nwk, I find that file sharing has to restart itself b4 the other macs will see it in their choosers. And it seems to take forever for FShg to restart, seems like 15 mins or more! The unpartitioned 4 gig HD (hfs+) is a little over half full, due mainly to "backing up" files from other macs on the nwk. Has anyone else seen this sort of problem? I would appreciate any help/suggestions you could give. jh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 16:35:55 +1100 From: colpol@interact.net.au Subject: MacTCP invisible On 1 November I found I couldn't dial my ISP because MacTCP had disappeared. After fiddling around and trying everything, I discovered that it was still there but had become invisible (even to the system). I could get it to reappear by zapping the PRAM but doing this turned off 32 bit addressing, without which my usable RAM is reduced to only about 4Mb. The computer has to be restarted to bring 32 bit addressing back on, and MacTCP disappears again! Catch 22. With only 4Mb I can use Eudora Light but can't access the WWW because Netscape needs more memory. I have tried trashing MacTCP DNR and MacTCP Prep, and reinstalled MacTCP from CD. I have been using Conflict Catcher but it hasn't done much (the testing process doesn't seem to get anywhere - it identified AppleTalk as a problem and I trashed that but the problem persists). Disinfectant, Disk First Aid and TechTool say there's nothing wrong, but Speed Disk gives the message "there seems to be something wrong" and to use Norton Disk Doctor to find out the exact problem. I don't have NDD. On 31 October the last few applications I had been using were Claris HomePage, JPG Viewer, and Eudora Light. I am an out-of-town, home user with an LC575, system 7.5.3, 32Mb RAM. Any assistance or suggestions would be most welcome. colpol@interact.net.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:05:46 -0500 From: Deborah Foss Subject: monitor problems I have an apple multiscan 15in hooked up to a 7600/ppc and last friday I came in to work and the screen was black, except for a thin white line down the center, vertically. I tried another monitor and it worked, and the broken monitor wouldn't work on another machine so I got ready to send it out for repair. While the powers that be worked on the red tape. The other monitor worked fine for 3 days on the 7600, then yesterday i came in and turned it on and it won't start up. The computer does, but not the monitor. it cycles the power on light between green and orange. I tried it on the machine it came from and it still does not work. At this point I am assuming that the problem was originally in the PPC, but what would be causing it to blow monitors. I also need to figure out what is wrong with the monitors, to determine if it is worth fixing them. We are a research lab, and money is very tight, so the cheapest I can do this the better. I put a radius 17in pivot grayscale on the working computer, but does anyone know of a PPC compatable extension that will allow it to be used in landscape mode. The drivers that came with it, updated just before radius sold off their monitor business, crash the computer. I checked their website, but there wasn't anything useful there. I appreciate any help on any of these questions in advance. Debi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 22:08:25 -0800 From: "David L. Hirschberg" Subject: optimizing color proformance on a 1400c with 8.5 I am mostly positive about the changes in system 8.5. Once thing I have noticed though is that the colors on my 1400C monitor are not accurate at all. I really do not care if Lavendar is actually Purple but it generally seems that my monitor settings are pale. I have my desktop set to a yellowish background (The spaceship scene) and all my yellows, pinks and greens seem washed out. For example with Eudora I could not even see when text was highlighted on a white page. The default Lavandar was so washed out that it looked the same as green in the color sceme. The monitor settings does not contain a 1400c. Which one there is the best fit for my mac? I made my own settings which I think are a little better. Does any one have a better one or suggestions? Sincerely, David daneel@stanford.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 13:35:53 +1100 From: David Hindby Subject: OT/PPP modem scripts Ted Logan wrote: > And I read something about OT 2.0 in 8.5 now including Applescripting. > Does that mean we can now write our own OT/PPP modem scripts with = proper > initiation strings? Christian F. Buser wrote: Hi Ted,=20 The modem scripts used in OT/PPP have nothing to do with AppleScript. But you can easily create your own with Apple's "modem script generator", an officially unsupported application which may be available on Apple's internet sites. If it is not, let me know and I can find it for you.=20 The modem scripts are pure text files and can also be opened by BBEdit, for example, and edited manually.=20 For both methods, you need to have a complete reference of your modem's AT commands at hand. Best wishes, Christian. --=20 Christian F. Buser - phone (+41-56) 491 0877 Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) Look at Ted, When I was looking for the "Apple Modem Script Generator" I had a hard = time finding it. Since then I have used Versiontracker online = (www.versiontracker.com). At the bottom of the page there is a search = box, enter the above quoted text and presto, its just one click to = download. Regards, David David.Hindby@bigpond.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 14:36:40 +0700 From: Rich Garella Subject: PB5300 screen is too bright The screen is too bright (or actually, light) on my PowerBook 5300= (grayscale). Even the lowest brightness and highest contrast, there is a= shortage of gray levels--things that are grayed are almost invisible. No= adjustment of the controls seems to help. If anything it is worse when= running on battery power, but I'm not sure if it makes any difference or= I'm imagining it. Anyone know a way of adjusting this? (I'm running OS8 with Monitors & Sound 1.3, but it was the same story with= System 7.5.5.) I have it set on 16 levels of gray. If I put it on 4 levels= then some grays are just whited out. ___________________________________________ ( Rich Garella - Phnom Penh, Cambodia ) NEW ADDRESS: rich@garella.com ( http://www.mindspring.com/~garella/rich ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:23:00 -0800 From: Matt Neuburg Subject: PowerComputing with OS 8.1 & 8.5 >Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 10:19:20 +0000 >From: Ezra Nathan >Subject: PowerComputing with OS 8.1 & 8.5 > >Has anyone got a PowerComputing machine with systems 8.1 or 8.5 running? >I've heard mixed and confusing reports of how this clone handles the new >systems. I didn't upgrade to 8.0 or 8.1, but I've been using 8.5 on my PowerCenter Pro 180 for over a week now and am pretty much ready to declare it a total success. Much faster and more stable than 7.6.1 was. The only caveat: do a very, *very* clean install (back up the hard disk, reformat it using Drive Setup on the 8.5 CD, install, restore). And don't expect Apple's CD-ROM driver to work; keep your old driver. matt neuburg, phd = matt@tidbits.com, http://www.tidbits.com/matt pantes gar anthropoi tou eidenai oregontai phusei ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 15:01:35 -0700 From: "IQTech-P.Reilly" Subject: PowerComputing with OS 8.1 & 8.5 > Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 10:19:20 +0000 > From: Ezra Nathan > Subject: PowerComputing with OS 8.1 & 8.5 > > Fellow info-Mac readers> > > Has anyone got a PowerComputing machine with systems 8.1 or 8.5 running? I have been running 8.5 since early betas without a problem. Just make sure you have the latest Hard Disk Toolkit drivers from FWB. +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Patrick L. Reilly, Gen. Mgr. | P.O. 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Yes i am running 8.1 and now 8.5 and have a powercomputing 604/120... i think the machine is over three years old now and running strong accept for a L2 cache that doesnt seem to be working best :( I will be upgrading it with a g3 card soon (which has the backside cache to replace my level2) I have also seen another 604/120 running at a clocked speed of 300 mhz after the g3 upgrade!... Apparently with the 604's it is as simple as pulling one cpu card out and slotting the other in! your worries of it not being able to run 8.1 or 8.5 are not a problem i believe(although dont quote me totally)... i have been running 8.1 for some time and whilst i have had a single re-occuring problem i have resigned to the fact that is only due to the L2 cache needing replacement. I also have other power friends that run 8.1! I was worried, like you, when i wanted to insatll 8.0 or upgrade the machine to a G3 and upon lots of consultation with technicians... the word is that the powercomputers are almost identical in arcitecure and infact they are a little more versatile and flexible! I say speak to a local technician... see what he says and upon the ok ... go for it. I have noticed a speed increase again and not had a crash yet and thats after running claris homepage, photoshop, claris works, graphic converter, bb edit and Netscape all at once (lot a ram!) Good lubk Keith p.s I Would love to keep in contact over the issue as its not too easy to find power users lately! >Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 10:19:20 +0000 >From: Ezra Nathan >Subject: PowerComputing with OS 8.1 & 8.5 > >----------------------- >Fellow info-Mac readers> > >Has anyone got a PowerComputing machine with systems 8.1 or 8.5 running? >I've heard mixed and confusing reports of how this clone handles the new >systems. In MacUser (UK) an important Apple employee was quoted as saying >"We make no guarantee the Mac OS 8.5 will work on a Mac clone." Hmmm, >great! Particularly frustrating and worrying as 8.5 is being reviewed as a >'must-have' upgrade. I have a PowerCentre minitower 150 that is still good >for me and at the time I bought it was better than any machine Apple had to >offer. I intend buying an external HD to try out the new systems before I >commit to either, but I would like to hear others' experience. > >Thanks, > Ezra \\\\/// "(,) (,)" ---o000-(_)-000o--------------------------------------------------- Keith 'Regi' Tombs ...patient...hopeful...faithful...successful ___ _____( )________________________________________________ \ ( ( ) Tombstone Media Productions \_) ) / Mob No.(0418)965 784 (_/ mailto:tombs@one.net.au Webmaster/designer for: http://www.infocomp.net.au InfoComP Training - National Vocational Education Packages and Services. http://www.visitt.edu.au VISITT - The Resource Centre for "Teachers sharing... Supporting", in schools for Information Technology. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 10:32:48 -0500 From: Michael Holtzman Subject: Print to Postscript file Greetings. I need to create postscript files from a bunch of MS Word documents to run them through Acrobat. I don't have access to a LaserWriter on this system. I select the LaserWriter 8 driver in the chooser, and specify print to file. The document prints, but after printing I get a dialog saying "Document xxx has been moved to the trash, because there is no desktop printer". I can't create a desktop printer, because there is no laserWriter to select in the chooser. So, how can I create a PostScript file??? Thanx. Michael S. Holtzman Information Technology holtzman@StJohns.edu St. John's University (NY) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 16:04:51 -0500 From: Vincent Cayenne Subject: PrintMonitor default memory allocation of any use? Is it just my overburdened configuration, or should some of the 'suggested' memory allocations I've seen be increased? Case in point: printing. I've had to increase the memory used by Apple's PrintMonitor for my StyleWriter, by the HP PrintMonitor which drives my DeskJet 870Cxi, and of the Epson Monitor2 which drives my Epson Stylus 600. Each of these applications/extensions are preset at numbers like 200K. This proves hopelessly inadequate to get my WWW pages from Navigator, or a moderately styled Word document out my printer. I now typically push these allocations out to at least 1500K. So is there something I'm doing wrong, or are these manufacturers/developers just head-in-the-sand out of touch with the real world? Using PowerBook 1400C/48MB/OS 8.1/HFS+/Ram Doubler 8.01. --------- "Crumpled bits of paper filled with imperfect thoughts" (Rutherford/Robertson) Vincent Cayenne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:03:19 -0800 From: Julius Friede Subject: Simple page layout program? Does anyone out there know of a shareware (or freeware:-) page layout program? I've looked and can't find one. Doesn't have to be as sophisticated as Quark or Pagemaker, but the ability to read their templates sure would be nice. TIA, Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 07:08:59 -0700 From: Karen L Pagel Subject: System Crashed Hi Folks, I recently update from OS7.5.5 to OS 7.6. I wasn't having any problems with OS 7.5.5 esp since I installed more RAM, but since I put in 7.6, I am having frequent crashes. This happened once before and I had a lot of crashes so I reinstalled 7.5.5 and things were going OK. My understanding to upgrade to OS 8 that I have to have 7.6 installed. My biggest problem are with crashes with email (I use Eudora Pro and trying to get into Netscape Gold 3). I was getting an Error 28 with Eudora Pro so I gave it more RAM and Error 1 with Netscape, also alloted more memory. Now I don't get those messages but still crash. This morning I'm making connections to my server and my modem is connected but when trying to check out mail or send mail I'm getting error message "Lost connection to Server" but my modem is connected. Any ideas? Karen Performa 6300CD Ram Doubler 32 ram OS 7.6 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 22:58:08 -0500 From: "Peter William Brewer" Subject: TCP/IP: Internet Setup Assistant generates broken TCP/IP For MacOS8.5: Installing or setting up TCP/IP network non-dialup connections. Upon installing MacOS8.5 followed by running the Internet Setup Assistant my PowerCenter Pro 180 could no longer communicate with my Ascend Pipeline P75 ISDN router. The noticeable symptoms were a complaint that the router's ethernet hardware address was currently using all IP addresses in my class C network. It seemed likely that the netmask stored in the TCP/IP Preferences file was not correct. I attempted to re-run the setup application and tried changes directly in the TCP/IP control panel to no avail. To work-around this I moved my TCP/IP Preferences file from the previous system folder gen-ed from System 8.1. This has worked satisfactorily. However, I consider this a very serious flaw that should be corrected immediately. Additionally, I have not been able to modify or add additional Internet profiles as one could using System 8.1's Internet Utilities. In this area Apple seems to have delivered some apps without thorough testing and QA. Finally, I have discovered that at this release of MacOS a tried and true ahead of its time application; VERSATERM PRO no longer functions. It's functionality still manages to be on par with Outlook Express, Claris Mail, etc. plus providing standard telnet, ftp, plus servers! This is indeed a sad day as this app has worked like a charm through all of System 7 and on the old A/UX system up to this point. -- Peter Brewer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 98 21:12:41 +0100 From: Vittorio Barabino Subject: Word-Perfetto ;-) Hello, I have to convince Wordperfect that its default language is not english but italian. Of course I have these italian-specific files: Ortografia (ITA) Sillabazione (ITA) Sinonimi (ITA) WPCC20IT (an utility transformed it into "Sillabazione (ITA)") I've tried to use it with a US System; no result. with an italian localized System; no result. Also with the french, the same problem... :-( I need at least that when I choose "Check Spelling", WP remember to use the italian dictionary... :-( Ciao, Vittorio ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 17:08:25 -0500 From: Louis Bergeron Subject: Zip Plus FREEZING SCSI chain IOMEGA WILL REPLACE ZIP PLUS Yes, There is a problem with a Zip Plus when chained. But, as I said before, this problem did not exist with my older machine and I suspect the slowness of the Iomega cable. I called the 888 4 Iomega and after MANY TRY was able to speak to a technician. The technician told me that the Zip Plus must not be chained. I told her that in my Zip Plus documentation book there are no mention of that and also, that there are TWO SCSI plugs at the back of the Zip Plus. The documentation clealy indicates that the Zip Plus was made to be plugged. There is a switch to give it either #5 or #6. So, after half an hour waiting and discussing on the 888 line, I was switched to someone who told me they will replace the Zip Plus with a standard Macintosh Zip drive and SIX ZIP DISKS. I was given a number in Toronto and the person answered after one ring. He was really kind and handled my problem rapidly. I am waiting for my new Zip any day. So, thanks to all of those who helped me about this problem and keep this memo in case you have problems with you SCSI PLUS. Louis Louis Bergeron C.P. 936 Rouyn Rouyn-Noranda Qc Canada J9X 5C8 Telephone-Phone (819) 764-3862 Telecopieur-Fax (819) 764-3758 -------------------------------- --Info-Mac-Digest-- End of Info-Mac Digest ******************************