Using Kermit with Cincinnati Press Brake Machines

Cincinnati machines are connected to PCs via serial port. The CNC program is written on the PC, downloaded to the machine, and then possibly modified by the machine operator and uploaded back to the PC. Kermit software is used for this process in all machines manufactured since 1987, as you can see in this 2001 handout from Cincinnati Inc (an older handout from 1998, which may be useful with older Cincinnati machines, is availalble here). YOU SHOULD READ THIS HANDOUT, and then read the rest of this page for corrections and supplementary information.

The Cincinnati handout discusses both MS-DOS Kermit and Kermit 95, and states that MS-DOS Kermit can be used on Windows 95 and NT. THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY TRUE. MS-DOS Kermit is not designed for, and is not supported on, 32-bit versions of Microsoft Windows such as Windows 95, 98, ME, NT, 2000, or XP. If you are using MS-DOS Kermit on 32-bit Windows and have problems with it, you'll need to switch to Kermit 95, which is native, recommended, and supported on 32-bit Windows. This is especially true for newer Windows versions such as Windows XP, where MS-DOS Kermit is reported not to work at all. CLICK HERE to download a full-featured trial version of Kermit 95.

This page discusses common problems using Kermit 95 with Cincinnati machines. An unusual aspect of the Kermit/press connection is that Kermit is normally in server mode, so it can be controlled by a Kermit client on the press brake; some consequences of this fact are covered below.

I can't make the serial port work

The newer your PC or Windows version, the less likely it is to have a traditional "COM1" type of serial port (such as an 8250 or 16550A UART). Newer Windows platforms have all sorts of serial-port and/or modem substitutes or simulations that can't be accessed by the regular COM-port driver. Instead, they must be used through the Windows Telephony interface (TAPI); that is, through the name listed in the Phone and Modems folder (possibly just Modems, depending on the Windows version) of the Windows Control Panel.

Unfortunately, COM ports (or their modern substitutes) usually do not show up in the Control Panel Phone and Modems folder by default. If this is the case on your Windows PC:

1. Click Start → Settings → Control Panel
2. Open the Phone and Modem Options item
3. Click the Modems tab on top
4. Click the Add button
5. When the Wizard appears, click the check box that says "Don't detect my modem..."
6. Click Next
7. Under (Standard Modem Types) you should see: Communications cable between two computers listed - select this and then click Next.
8. Choose the COM port you want to use (COM1), click Next
9. Once the Wizard completes, click Finish, you should see the new item
10. Close out of the Phone and Modem options, close Control Panel

Now when setting up Kermit 95, instead of using:

set port com1

Use:

set port tapi Communications_cable_between_two_computers

Even when you are using the appropriate driver (COM or TAPI), you still might need to make certain adjustments to communicate successfully:

set speed 9600

(or other speed) Kermit's speed must match that of the press brake.

set flow none

In case your Kermit program is set for RTS/CTS (hardware) flow control, which the press brake does not support.

set carrier-watch off

In case the press brake or your cable does not supply the Carrier Detect signal.

set parity none

In case Kermit has been set to even, odd, mark, or space parity.

Files sent from the press to the PC get the wrong name

But since Kermit is in server mode, deleting or renaming existing files is not allowed by default; that is, unless you tell Kermit it is OK. Thus if you follow the directions in the Cincinnati tip sheet for setting up Kermit and then try to replace a file, Kermit won't allow the original file to be disturbed, and therefore renames the incoming file to HANDLE.CNC.~1~ or whatever.

Kermit's options for filename collisions are chosen with the SET FILE COLLISION command. The default option is BACKUP, but that requires that the existing file be renamed. Another option is OVERWRITE, but that requires that the existing file be deleted. In either case, the server must be told to allow changes to existing files.

If you want to back up existing files:

set file collision backup
enable rename

If you want to overwrite existing files:

set file collision overwrite
enable delete

Execute these commands before entering server mode. Examples:

COM Port	TAPI
set flow none set modem type none set port 1 set speed 9600 cd /programs set file collision backup   enable rename server	set flow none set port tapi Communications_cable_between_two_computers   set speed 9600 cd /programs set file collision overwrite     enable delete server

How can I set up a press-brake connection in the Dialer?

enable delete
enable rename
server

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